Lews Therin's descendants (thoeries)

[mb]

We know Rand is the reborn of Lews Therin.

What if Rand is also a descendant of Lews Therin?

What if Andor's Queens (and heirs) were also descendants of Lews Therin?

What if the Aiel of 3rd Age were/are also descendants of Lews Therin?

 

There have been survivors of multiple-killing incidents told of or happening in the main series.

Perrin was told that his entire family was killed; yet later in the book, a cousin appears.

I recall somewhere in the books telling that Hawkwing's descendants were either killed or sent away.  Though Mayene's Firsts were descendants of a cousin of the Seanchan rulers.

 

At least one of Lews Therin's descendants might have managed to get out of the building before or during his killing spree (more probable with before).  Or maybe there was an unknown descendant that was hidden somewhere before the event happened.

Whichever it was, that descendant probably got married (or remarried) after the event then had children; that descendant probably also kept identity secret the whole time.

The descendant would be most likely a female and/or a non-sparker (if it survived) since male channelers became insane shortly after the sealing.

Descendants born after the killing spree were probably mostly females and non-sparking males; male sparkers from them probably stayed away from the family.

 

The Green Man's first comments to Rand might be an indicator for Rand.

The Foretelling of Andor's royal line might be an indicator for Andor's Queens and heirs.

The dragon tattoo might be an indicator for 3rd Age Aiel.

 

[Agitel]

I see it as unnecessary, nor am I sure there is any evidence that would point to this. We do know that Rand is probably descended from the Aiel that served Lews Therin's ex-lover Mierin/Lanfear, and that another of his ancestors actually played with the Green Man when he was a child, if what Rhuarc says about the Pillars in Rhuidean do work by bloodline.

[Thorum]

They are all dead.

 

From the prologue of Eye:

What hand struck down every life that bore a drop of your blood (...)?

[CUBAREY]

From the prologue of Eye:

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What hand struck down every life that bore a drop of your blood (...)?

 

Correct that is why one of his names is "The Kinslayer".

[mb]

Eye of World prologue was the scene I was alluding to.

All of them may seem dead; but like I posted in the opening post, someone of his descendants might have escaped the event or might have been hidden elsewhere before the event.

 

And like I posted in the opening post, there have been other multiple-killing situations in which there are sole survivors; I gave those examples in the opening post.

 

[Taura-Tierno]

I don't see what the point would be . It's sufficient that Rand's Lews Therin reborn. He doesn't have to be his a long lost descendant, too. It would feel unneccessary and completely taken out of the air if that was introduced, since there's been nothing to indicate that Rand would in any way be related to Lews Therin, and much to indicate that Lews Therin killed his entire family.

[Thorum]

I suggest you reread the quote. The important word is "every"...

 

No surviving descendants...

[Owayn The Traveller]

::)

[mellojoe]

There is a connection between Rand and Lanfear, Lews Therin's former girl-toy.  I agree, we know for a fact that that connection exists thanks to the Pillars at Rhuidian.  We know that Rand's ancestor served Lanfear and was there the day she drilled the Bore.

 

Now, that doesn't prove an ancestral link to Lews Therin, but it does lend speculation that Lanfear is related to Rand.

 

Talk about a weird, potentially incestuous relationship, but it is possible.  Who's to say that Lanfear didn't form a "strong" relationship with the Aiel servant who throught so highly of her that he ran to protect her when she accidentally blew a hole in the world?

 

Yes, I said it:  Lanfear is Rand's great-great-great-great-great-great-great Grandmother.  :D

 

And I'm only slightly joking. 

[Taura-Tierno]

Even if she were, wouldn't it be a stretch to call it incestuous? :P

 

That's another reason why I don't like the idea of Rand being a descendant of Lews Therin (or Lanfear or any other special person). It doesn't matter. They are separated by soooo many generations that they're barely related at all. Not any more than any person is likely to be another random person.

[mb]

I suggest you reread the quote. The important word is "every"...

 

No surviving descendants...

There is a chance that Ishamael was lying when he said 'every'.

Or perhaps Ishamael was mistaken and assumed that 'every' was dead.

 

Either way, there is a chance that at least one descendant was alive.

 

[alligator]

Ehh, with my re-reads of the series, I always assumed LTT had used a weave-- like Rand in the Stone with the Shadowspawn-- that killed literally everyone who shared a drop of his blood in an instant.

[Thorum]

There is a chance that Ishamael was lying when he said 'every'.

 

I was already wondering how long it would take before someone got there...

[Taura-Tierno]

But what reason could there possible be for something like this to be introduced? It seems like something that would be completely pointless. And how on earth would they be able to prove that he's Lews Therin's descendant? It's not like they can perform a DNA-test, even with the OP, since there's nothing of Lews Therin's to compare Rand with. And if any descendants of Lews Therin did survive, then I'd guess that heritage is something they'd very much like to have forgotten, and after 3000 years, it seems impossibly unlikely that any possible descendant would know. Neither or Rand's parents seem to have been members of some Dragon-descendant-cult.

[Knightfall]

Is there any part of the Cycle of the Dragon that states that he killed all his relatives or anything?  Just curious because I would think that much if not all of that (and likely the Essanik too, where not corrupted by Ishamael) is probably taken from Foretellings and other related prophetic devices, which I would think would... circumvent speculation.

[mb]

Ehh, with my re-reads of the series, I always assumed LTT had used a weave-- like Rand in the Stone with the Shadowspawn-- that killed literally everyone who shared a drop of his blood in an instant.

If Lews Therin did use the weave Rand used in Tear, I take it could cover only the ones in at most the building; more likely just the corridor.

 

[Durinax]

I dont think rand's bloodline is related to LTT or Lanfear, just because the Aiel where the servants to the AS, and in the PoV from Rand's one ancestor we saw that he was going to marry another Aiel (and leave Lanfears services).

[Crael123]

hes called kinslayer for a reason

[mb]

I dont think rand's bloodline is related to LTT or Lanfear, just because the Aiel where the servants to the AS

Servants at times do become ancestor's of saviors.

 

hes called kinslayer for a reason

Someone can have that title from killing less than all relatives.

 

[Durinax]

I dont think rand's bloodline is related to LTT or Lanfear, just because the Aiel where the servants to the AS

Servants at times do become ancestor's of saviors.

I was just saying that Rand's ancestors are not related to Lanfear or LTT because they where servants, and from the PoV from Rand's ancestors says that he is trying to get married, and transferred to another AS's services

[mb]

I dont think rand's bloodline is related to LTT or Lanfear, just because the Aiel where the servants to the AS

Servants at times do become ancestor's of saviors.

I was just saying that Rand's ancestors are not related to Lanfear or LTT because they where servants, and from the PoV from Rand's ancestors says that he is trying to get married, and transferred to another AS's services

Servants at times procreate with their masters and/or former masters.

 

[Thera500]

I dont know I think topic is pushing it a litlle bit,but it would be nice for Rand to have a little bit of Lews Therin's blood just from a general fantasy lore perspective. The thing is if someone was away or got away form Lews Therins home,how closely related would he be. I assume from Ishy's words Lews Therin had killed all the close family members but then again he's never been a stickler for the truth.The question is after all those years of marrying,and dilution how many traits would survive 1% maybe?

 

The issue about Lanfear and her Aiel is possible,however it just doesnt seem to fit her character. Rand's aiel descendant seemed to me to be devoted in non-romantic manner.

[balefireruinssteaks]

Mierin was not interested in people with no power.  She was attracted to Lews Therin because of his position, and it's the same when she wakes up from the sleep...she's after power.  Lanfear having an affair with a servant/Aiel?  I don't think so.

 

Also it's doubtful that Ishmael lied when he told Lews Therin that he had killed his entire bloodline.  There would be no reason to lie, and he felt that he was going to kill Lews Therin anyway, before he turned into a mountain.

 

"What if" could happen...there COULD be an ancestor who survived, but if we are going off "what if" scenarios then anything can happen.  What if Lews Therin broke up with Lanfear because HE was having an affair with her Aiel, who happened to be an ancestor of Rand?  Then after his brief experimentation, he met Illyena.  Than Rand would have technically slept with...himself!!

[Suttree]

Nothing in the series even remotely points to any of LTT's relatives surviving while "every life that bore a drop of your blood" and "Kinslayer" show the opposite to mostly likely be true.  In addition as noted before no way Meirin/Lanfear would sleep with someone not in a position of great power. I agree that we can't just say "what if" when there is not even a hint of the possibility mentioned anywhere.

[mb]

Also it's doubtful that Ishmael lied when he told Lews Therin that he had killed his entire bloodline.  There would be no reason to lie, and he felt that he was going to kill Lews Therin anyway, before he turned into a mountain.

Actually there could be a reason for Ishamael to lie: cause Lews Therin to commit suicide, afterward Ishamael could do whatever without having Lews Therin hindering him.

Or if Ishamael was not lying, there is a chance that he was mistaken and assumed 'every' was dead.

 

"Kinslayer" show the opposite to mostly likely be true

Like I told before, someone can have the title 'kinslayer' from killing less than all relatives.

 

 

Like I told in opening post, there have been situations where someone survived a mass killing.  I gave the examples in the opening post.

If someone could survive those situations, there is a chance that someone survived this situation.