The Big (Currently) Unoticed Thing In Books 4-6 (Mistborn Spoilers)

[NetSlider]

Please don't shoot me down for this but I was wondering what happened to that large pack of Dark Hounds (or whatever they're called). I was thinking this because Perrin needs something to do in the TOM and I don't think that the Whitecloaks will be considered an enemy (may even join forces to fight them off).

 

Appologise if I am way off here but haven't read the books for a while and can't remember what happened to them, it would be a good battle of Perrins wolves fighting a major battle.

 

I think Perrin will be busy recovering The Song.

[maradon]

Hey everyone

 

Didn't go through all the pages but did anyone else notice how in books 4-6, rand, egwene, elayne, aviendha keep remembering all this old weaves? aviendha made a gateway and egwene rediscovered travelling, elayne with the ter'angreal, etc.

 

 

We have seen this before though, i.e. Rand making a flaming sword to fight Be'lal and when he was ambushed by that darkfriend and guards, both of which happened in book 3 so before the 4-6 period.

 

I had another idea, because I picked up the WoT guide and reached the part about The Ways. When did that evil wind get out of The  Ways? Machin something or other. I am sure it escaped. And also, the Guide suggests that The Ways went dark because of the taint on the source. Doesn't this mean that The Ways could now be fixed? Wind gone, Taint gone. Just a thought!

Machin Shin might have gone, however it is unlikely as it took years for the ways to degenerate into darkness and for the black wind to develop, hence it's only reasonable to assume a similar timeline for the ways to heal.

 

Why not they're an obvious thing that hasn't been commented on a lot (that I've noticed) that may have a big impact in the next book (if they'res a battle).

 

Don't get me wrong you're probably right, but it may be worth considering.

The Darkhounds were brought in during TDR, then we saw them again after Rand and Perrin had fallen out so post Dumais wells (book 6) hence the unnoticed thing can't be the darkhounds.

 

On the siswai'aman (sp?) thought line, would they be willing to sing for Rand? i.e. if he asked them would they do it? I only ask this because it was previously the orgier, nym and aiel men that sang the song in the AoL, so would it need to be aiel again?

[Lilbaz]

I stand corrected.

[Sentinel78]

The Nym were critical to the Song.  The Nym essentially took the Ogier/Human singing and wove it into the ground or something to make the plants grow.  From 'The Dedicated' chapter in Book 4:

 

The song caught him up, and he almost felt that it was himself, not the sounds he made, that Someshta wove into the soil and around the seeds. Seeds no longer, though. Zemais sprouts covered the field, taller wherever the Nym’s foot had trod.

 

Without the Nym, the sounds would not result in any plant-development.  That being said, remember that Nym are constructs of the Power, unlike Ogier which are simply a different and natural race of creature.  Could Aviendha perhaps identify a ter'angreal in Rhuidean that will literally re-create the Nym?  Eh... Maybe...

 

[maradon]

Without the Nym, the sounds would not result in any plant-development.  That being said, remember that Nym are constructs of the Power, unlike Ogier which are simply a different and natural race of creature.  Could Aviendha perhaps identify a ter'angreal in Rhuidean that will literally re-create the Nym?  Eh... Maybe...

 

Or it could be how Elaida got the plants to grow in the palace in Caemlyn, get a couple of channelers doing that, a few ogier and a few aiel and there you go, bobs your uncle! Although coming to think of it Elaida's weavings were a protection and not actually helping the plants to grow, so a ter'angreal as you said is probably the most viable option.

[NetSlider]

In the EoTW Min's viewing about perrin is a wolf, a broken crown, and lots of blooming trees all around him. so i think when it comes to the song and the plants i think perrin will be central. wondergirls i think, will sit this one out for a change.

[Sentinel78]

Yeah I just don't see how Perrin could have too much to do with rediscovering the Song.  Wolves don't even eat vegetables  ;D

[NetSlider]

Yeah I just don't see how Perrin could have too much to do with rediscovering the Song.  Wolves don't even eat vegetables  ;D

 

But rabbits do.  ;D

[Koepke12]

The Dark One, not Rand, has been affecting the weather.  This is from Moridin's POV, Chapter 2 of Path of Daggers, after being informed of the  Bowl of the Winds:

 

He seized the True Power without thought, the saa billowing black across his sight. His fingers tightened in the wrought-iron grille across the window; the metal groaned, twisting, not from his grip but from the tendrils of the True Power, drawn from the Great Lord himself, that wreathed around the grillework, flexing as he flexed his hand in anger. The Great Lord would not be pleased. He had strained from his prison to touch the world enough to fix the seasons in place. He was impatient to touch the world more, to shatter the void that contained him, and he would not be pleased.

 

 

I know that this is Moridins PoV.  But I read yesterday in the Q & A stickied to this board that BS said that Rand is tied to the land.  Not sure where the quote is but I will try to find it and come back.

 

If this was the case (Rand being the cause of the Food going bad and the bad weather and whatnot), this would sort of fit the criteria that BS has laid out for this thread.  Not sure but with rands redemption the earth will be better again?

now let me go find that quote

[shinerfan]

In one of the books, one of the Forsaken is commenting on the changes in the world (Graendal I think), and they note that peaches are now poisonous. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

There is also a passage where Rand remembers eating peaches from an orchard as a child and then realizes that it is LTT's memory. He's confused by this because everyone knows that peaches are poison. I don't see how this could be important later though.

[wingedearth]

I had another idea, because I picked up the WoT guide and reached the part about The Ways. When did that evil wind get out of The  Ways? Machin something or other. I am sure it escaped. And also, the Guide suggests that The Ways went dark because of the taint on the source. Doesn't this mean that The Ways could now be fixed? Wind gone, Taint gone. Just a thought!

Machin Shin might have gone, however it is unlikely as it took years for the ways to degenerate into darkness and for the black wind to develop, hence it's only reasonable to assume a similar timeline for the ways to heal.

 

If Rand and Nynaeve could cleanse saidin, surely they could cleanse the Ways also.

 

Why'd Rand have to go and break the Choden Kal? He could have cleansed the Ways and maybe even cleaned up old Aridhol with it. He could have at least thrown a major attack at the Blight before breaking his strongest weapon.

[Koepke12]

Aridhol is gone.  Destroyed when Rand cleaned Saidin. 

[Shard]

You know something people don't talk about is the fact that Machin Shin can follow and sense where Rand is and be at the closet Gateway to Rand. I don't know how that could be big unless it's more the fact that Machin Shin didn't destroy Padan Fain and seemed to be commanded by Fain to follow Rand.

[Anoxanmore]

Umm... Machin Shin doesn't follow Rand, unless it was already drawn to where he was or something else came through.

[Worm]

They're talking about the parts in TGH where Rand tries to access a waygate to get to Falme more quickly but can't because Padan Fain has somehow commanded it to stop Rand, it had been mentioned before that scene that Fain is similar to Machin Shin in some way (probably because Machin Shin is the taint personified and Fain was the DO's hound before he went into Shadar Logoth)

[StefanR]

Ch.5 of SR, Amico and Joiya tell two different stories. One of a threat to Rand, located in Tanchico, and another of a plan to turn the people against him, using a false Dragon to wreck havoc on the world.

 

That was never addressed in any of the books as far as I know

 

Makes me think that Demandred is posing as the Dragon Reborn in Shara. It's been stated that he was almost Lews Therin's equal in every way, and this seems the easiest way to have an army of soldiers and channellers that aren't recruited by the white/black tower or any other army.

 

There was also the people from Shara in the the known part of Randland

 

Just a thought

[Vulgir]

Ch.5 of SR, Amico and Joiya tell two different stories. One of a threat to Rand, located in Tanchico, and another of a plan to turn the people against him, using a false Dragon to wreck havoc on the world.

 

That was never addressed in any of the books as far as I know

 

Makes me think that Demandred is posing as the Dragon Reborn in Shara. It's been stated that he was almost Lews Therin's equal in every way, and this seems the easiest way to have an army of soldiers and channellers that aren't recruited by the white/black tower or any other army.

 

There was also the people from Shara in the the known part of Randland

 

Just a thought

 

I really like this idea, that either Taim or Demandred is posing as the Dragon in Shara, but it's on "the list".

 

Heres some more to support this even though it techinaclly has been ruled out by Salt

 

1. When Rand visits the tower Taim is wearing a jacket with dragons just like Rands, Maybe posing as the Dragon?

2. The Heart concept of the BA. Perhaps different hearts were given different plans to act on work with ect. It would go along with the fact that only so many BA's know so many other BA's, thus making a cordinated plan while keeping things discrete rather hard, and these to BA's having opposite plans

 

 

[bramaen]

Ch.5 of SR, Amico and Joiya tell two different stories. One of a threat to Rand, located in Tanchico, and another of a plan to turn the people against him, using a false Dragon to wreck havoc on the world.

 

That was never addressed in any of the books as far as I know

 

I don't think that's possible.  Back in book 2 or 3, Moiraine said that the pattern won't allow there to be more than one Dragon once the true Dragon has proclaimed himself.  I think the reason we haven't seen a new "Dragon" appear is because it can't happen.

[Vulgir]

thats a really good point, and probably why its on the list

[StefanR]

thats a really good point, and probably why its on the list

 

What list is this and where can I see it?

[Vulgir]

 

 

What list is this and where can I see it?

 

You should read threads before you post. RAFO a few pages back.

[StefanR]

I read most of this one, but expecting me to read all 77 pages?

 

Not hapening

[dapianoplay3r]

I dnt know how or why the peaches thing would be so important, but i do think that might be a part of the thing noone seems to have noticed. Why would RJ have made mention of this fact three of four times if it wasn't important. Of all the things he could change in Randland why peaches? There must be something behind that, especially since we hear it from more then one character.

[ed2funy]

lol...

I thought the peaches were something RJ just did for the heck of it...

because it is his world and he could!

[nerpherder]

What if Demandred is Davram Bashere?  I got no real evidence to back it up but they both show up around the same time and are featured in the books mentioned.