Empress Damane...

[ErikTheBald]

Anyone else see the possibility of Tuon collared.  She trains Damane so it's clear she could be taught to channel.  Sems to me that would be the easiest way to back the Seanchan off.  It's ben said that the power of the Crystal throne comes from collared channelers. 

 

Collar their snot nosed little empress and that will pretty much destroy their entire system of government.

[Bob T Dwarf]

Their system of government is in bad disarray, as is, thanks to Semi.  Further destabilizing things would not be a smart move heading into TG.

[ErikTheBald]

Sure, it's a mess on the other side of the ocean but who cares about that.  If there is a direct attack on the Tower, collaring Tuon would be the perfect way to end it and the seanchan threat at the same time and solve the problem of what to do about their need to collar anything that can channel.

 

Now as to that, one of Min's visions is that of Carlinya with Raven tattoos.  Since this can mean nothing other than Carlinya becoming Da Covale, ie Seanchan Imperial property, I think there will be some kind of accord with the seanchan regarding their disposition towards women who can channel.  Some kind of exchange program as it were.

[Jemlin]

I don't think there is a sul'dam brave enough to colar Tuon lol

They would probably wet themselves at the thought of it!

[42Bonzo88]

    Not just the Suldame having a problem with it, but her future husband would NEVER allow it.

[redwall_hp]

I don't think there is a sul'dam brave enough to colar Tuon lol

They would probably wet themselves at the thought of it!

 

Nynaeve...

[Jemlin]

I don't think there is a sul'dam brave enough to colar Tuon lol

They would probably wet themselves at the thought of it!

 

Nynaeve...

 

Hi, not sure if you noticed or not, but Nynaeve isn't a Sul'dam. She's an Aes Sedai =]

 

[Mr. Micawber]

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[ErikTheBald]

Remember, any woman who can channel can wear either the bracelet or the collar.  The only difference is that when women are tested in Seanchan, they put on the collar and if the suldam can feel them, it means they are a sparker and must be leashed.  If the put on the bracelet, even though they cannot channel, they can be taught and they will feel and control the damane so even if they can already channel, they can still wear the bracelet.  Just like the wonder girls controlled Moghedien.

 

Tuon could be collared and controlled by any woman in the Tower.  Although, you're correct, if Mat heard about it he'd need to take action.  I doubt though, that he'll be within 1000 miles of the Tower when the Seanchan attack it.

[Mr. Micawber]

Remember, any woman who can channel can wear either the bracelet or the collar.  The only difference is that when women are tested in Seanchan, they put on the collar and if the suldam can feel them, it means they are a sparker and must be leashed.  If the put on the bracelet, even though they cannot channel, they can be taught and they will feel and control the damane so even if they can already channel, they can still wear the bracelet.  Just like the wonder girls controlled Moghedien.

 

Tuon could be collared and controlled by any woman in the Tower.  Although, you're correct, if Mat heard about it he'd need to take action.  I doubt though, that he'll be within 1000 miles of the Tower when the Seanchan attack it.

 

Neither will she.

 

You really think that the Seanchan, who revere their Empress on a demigod scale, are going to let Tiny McPintsize fly away on a to'raken to personally lead an attack on Tar Valon? The Gardeners are a wee bit too large to be flying there along side her. I'm pretty sure the Deathwatch Guard would chain her up and lock her in her room until after the attack, and then commit seppuku - sorry, apologize - before they'd let her tramp into that kind of danger again.

[Bob T Dwarf]

That's EMPRESS Tiny McPintsize May She Live Forever to you fella.  And, dooooonchu forget it!

[ohaitharguiz]

Empress Damane!

 

The awesome action figure all the kids gotta have!

 

Empress Damane!

 

The only toy that combines fearsome social control with brutal mindrape!

 

Empress Damane!

 

At stores NOW!*

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Offer not valid in Tar Valon.

 

 

 

 

LMAO!!!

[Blackhoof]

I agree fully. LMAO!

[mb]

Anyone else see the possibility of Tuon collared?

Tuon told Mat that she does not want to learn.

If it is discovered that Tuon is a sparker instead of just a learner, not sure what she would do.  First time channeling for a saidar sparker is during time frame of age 12 through age 21; Tuon is 19.

 

[Blackhoof]

If an heir or the empress was tested positive then she would cease to be the empress. The Seanchan wouldn't care much after a while.

 

Guy: so, do you remember the empress that became a damane?

 

Seanchan: What empress?

[ErikTheBald]

It doesn't really matter if she wants to learn or not.  We know that after a while working with Damane, (renna bethamin, they never learned but all were held) Suldam can be collared.  Since Tuon trains Damane, it follows that she would be held by a collar.

[Alea iacta est]

Maybe once its revealed that sul'dam can channel, but only if taught, they will have to re evaluate and decide that if you aren't going to channel purposefully, then you're still all cool in the eyes of the seanchan. who knows?

 

Also, as empress, couldn't she just give some executive order?

 

"look, we know that you couldchannel, but if you promise not to, you can still be a sul'dam"

[Sharaman]

It doesn't really matter if she wants to learn or not.  We know that after a while working with Damane, (renna bethamin, they never learned but all were held) Suldam can be collared.  Since Tuon trains Damane, it follows that she would be held by a collar.

 

Tuon is a highly proficient damane - she holds two AS (Teslyn, Joline) at the same time in KoD, which is the first time we learn that such a thing is possible. She already knows the sparker/ non-sparker situation due to hving watched Bethamin and co. and even tacitly admits it when she tells Mat she chooses not to learn. No questions, she would be held by the A'dam. Sooner or later, she'll have to face the implications of the situation fair and square administratively (since the secret is already known to a fairly wide circle in upper echelons of the Seanchan Administration), if not personally.

 

 

[mb]

It doesn't really matter if she wants to learn or not.  We know that after a while working with Damane, (renna bethamin, they never learned but all were held) Suldam can be collared.  Since Tuon trains Damane, it follows that she would be held by a collar.

The Seanchan have collared only those that could channel at the time; not those who have not yet channeled.  So it does matter if Tuon wants to learn or not; if she is just a learner.

 

[Mr. Micawber]

Actually, this is all a bit moot because without anyone who knows the method of teaching learners, namely, an Aes Sedai, Tuon won't start channeling anyway.

 

The collar would work in the sense that it would control Tuon, which could be extremely dangerous politically if anyone thinks about getting rid of the chain like Elayne did.

 

It would not, however, allow her to be a damane in the way that matters, which is to say as a weapon, because she wouldn't be able to access the Source without training, which, again, she won't have.

[ErikTheBald]

That's not accurate.  Once a Sul dam has progressed to the point where she "can almost see the weaves" as they describe, they have progressed to a point similar to where Nynaeve had gotten to when Moraine found her in the Two Rivers.  At this point, they have never learned a weave, and don't even know what they are doing, but they have progressed to the point where an a'dam will hold them. 

 

Otherwise, how would the collar have held Renna when she was collared at Falme. 

[balefireruinssteaks]

The mindset of the Seanchan can be changed.  Remember that Egeanin changed her mind about Aes Sedai.  She said she no longer believed that they all deserved to be collared and she did not know that it could be learned.  If she can be changed then others can be as well, and if the change comes from the Empress herself...well the Seanchan are fiercly devoted to their Empress.

 

I don't think it would crush the Seanchan...they would adapt as they always do.

[Blackhoof]

True, but what if suddenly someone told you that paedophiles were now an accepted part of society, and you had to live and work with them.  :P They would adapt, but it would take them knowing a nice Aes Sedai personally to do it properly.

[SheaththeSword]

True, but what if suddenly someone told you that paedophiles were now an accepted part of society, and you had to live and work with them.  :P They would adapt, but it would take them knowing a nice Aes Sedai personally to do it properly.

 

In my client's defense....."ow"

[ErikTheBald]

From the Prophecies of the Dragon

 

he will "bind the Nine Moons to his will"

 

How is he going to do that?

 

A'dam.