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From the Prophecies of the Dragon

he will "bind the Nine Moons to his will"

How is he going to do that?

A'dam.

A probable way.

Rand's methods that he used on other nobles might be another way.

If Rand knows Compulsion, that might be another way.

 

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He will bind the Nine Moons to his will

 

He'll make a deal, using his compulsion like ta'veren(sp) effect that he had on the Sea Folk. Or perhaps since Matt and Tuon are now emperor(or crown consort?) and Empress of Seanchan whether or not they know it, having Matt commanding his non-channeling armies, thereby under Rand's control, the Nine Moons is/will count as bound.

 

I'm tryna say Matt an Tuon's marriage now makes Matt part of the Nine Moons.

 

However it could happen that they'll meet in the middle after another few meetings due to Matt...

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If tuon becomes Empress, then i think mat is then the Emperor (or consort, or whatever) either way, he is the highest ranking man in the Seanchan Empire. Therefore if he and tuon makes a deal with Rand, the nine moons are bound to his will.

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How does that work? If Rand makes a deal with Tuon where she is not bound to his will, but they are equals, then she isn't bound to his will. If they made one where Rand is subservient, then she is not bound to his will. Mat is an irrelevance.

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How does that work? If Rand makes a deal with Tuon where she is not bound to his will, but they are equals, then she isn't bound to his will. If they made one where Rand is subservient, then she is not bound to his will. Mat is an irrelevance.

 

I was saying Matt is now the nine moons aswell. The profecy isn't necessarily reffering to Tuon.

 

Maybe just a lil' clearer:

Matt is bound to Rand.

Matt marryies Tuon

He is now part of the Nine Moons*

Therefore, Nine Moons (Matt) is bound to Dragon (Rand)  ;D

 

* Unless The Nine Moons specifically means the Empress, or does not mean the Seanchan Empire.

 

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I was saying Matt is now the nine moons as well.
He isn't, he's the Prince of Ravens.

 

* Unless The Nine Moons specifically means the Empress, or does not mean the Seanchan Empire.
I would say that is most likely. And that wouldn't bind the Nine Moons to Rand, because most of them are still against him. Mat is still bound to him, but Mat is the enemy of the Seanchan.
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Well, i guess we just don't know (untill more info on what Nine Moons really means). Is Matt Prince of Ravens even when Tuon is officially empress? My memory is hazey(sp) on this subject.

 

I think though, that Blackhoof sumed it up quite nicely:

If tuon becomes Empress, then i think mat is then the Emperor (or consort, or whatever) either way, he is the highest ranking man in the Seanchan Empire. Therefore if he and tuon makes a deal with Rand, the nine moons are bound to his will.

:)

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Is Matt Prince of Ravens even when Tuon is officially empress?
Doubtful, but we don't know. The books say nothing on what the Empress's consort is titled. We might find out after Tuon becomes Empress.

 

I think though, that Blackhoof sumed it up quite nicely:

If tuon becomes Empress, then i think mat is then the Emperor (or consort, or whatever) either way, he is the highest ranking man in the Seanchan Empire. Therefore if he and tuon makes a deal with Rand, the nine moons are bound to his will.
:)
Mat is irrelevant. If Tuon is bound to his will, the Prophecy is fulfilled, mat or no Mat. If she isn't, then it isn't. And a deal and bound to your will are not the same.
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Mat is irrelevant. If Tuon is bound to his will, the Prophecy is fulfilled, mat or no Mat. If she isn't, then it isn't. And a deal and bound to your will are not the same.

 

Well granted they are not the same. However what i'm trying to say is one of two things, (i'll do it mathematically ;)):

1 Rand > Matt >/= Tuon* . Do you get what im trying to say there?

 

2. Rand > Matt > S. Empire (- Empress obv)

 

*Due to emotional leverage. I realise that in rank Matt is always below Tuon.

 

But the main thing really is we do not have enough info on the whole thing of the Nine Moons definition.

 

 

 

Any suggestions on Rand forcing a deal due to some major advantage he gains militarily in future? I'm thinking tactical, or perhaps somethin to do with bthe cannons, as i haven't a clue about there number of forces (channeling or otherwise) but the stalemate seems to suggest they are in some repects equally powerful armies? (I don't really know  xD. Just tactical advantage for the moment, s'il vous plait)

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