question about Warders and old age

[Obligatory WOT Reference]

We all know that AS live very long periods of time. What happens when Egwene bonds Gawyn as her warder but she goes on to live for like 200 years and Gawyn dies of old age? I know that the warder bond gives the warder long life but I don't think that it would make him live as long as the AS. Would an AS feel her warder deteriorating through the bond?

[Majsju]

The bond does not make a warder live any longer than other people, they just keep fit at an age where normal people would start looking around for a wheelchair.

 

And if a warders lives long enough to die from old age, the Aes Sedai would release the bond to avoid the emotional reaction from his death.

[Mr Ares]

And if a warders lives long enough to die from old age, the Aes Sedai would release the bond to avoid the emotional reaction from his death.

No she wouldn't:

A sister certainly would be looked at askance if she released a Warder who was dying' date=' for example, just to avoid the effects on her of his death.[/quote']

[Asmo]

I think the Warder dying of old age wouldn't be as horrible to the Aes Sedai as, say, getting stabbed, since it is a relatively peaceful and gradual way to die. However, one must recall that a large number of sisters don't bond their Warders until they are one hundred years old or longer. If a Warder lives to his full lifespan, which will probably be longer than an average Randlander's considering the bonuses the Warder bond offers in their physique, then he and his Aes Sedai's dying date may not be too far apart. And it is possible that when an Aes Sedai retires, which probably happens fifty years before her death or more, she releases her Warder(s). Therefore, I don't think it's a very bad case. Provided the Warder lives long enough to die of age, of course.

[Mr Ares]

I think the Warder dying of old age wouldn't be as horrible to the Aes Sedai as, say, getting stabbed, since it is a relatively peaceful and gradual way to die.

I don't think it matters that much. The effect of the bond snapping is there regardless of how the Warder dies.

And it is possible that when an Aes Sedai retires, which probably happens fifty years before her death or more, she releases her Warder(s).

Vandene didn't release her Warder when she retired. Cadsuane had Warders with her when she came out of retirement during the Aiel War, IIRC. Warders get released if unsuitable or if they ask to be released. That's pretty much it.

[Luckers]

Though Mr. Ares is right, I'm guessing some Aes Sedai do release their Warders when they themselves are old to save those warders the suffering of them dying. Cadsuane herself indicates concideration of such things.

 

As to Egwene and Gawyn--Gawyn's my favourite could-possibly-channel character, beating Thom by just a smidge. It may not be an issue.

[42Bonzo88]

    Quote "Gawyn's my favourite could-possibly-channel character," Unquote

 

 

    WOW! Never thought of that. That would be awesome!

[Majsju]

42, try this,

[ quote ]...[ /quote ]

Minus the blanks. It is much easier to read.

[Luckers]

    Quote "Gawyn's my favourite could-possibly-channel character," Unquote

 

 

    WOW! Never thought of that. That would be awesome!

 

Well it seems to me to have been building. Genetically he has all the background he needs to be a channeler, he's also had a fairly high degree of screen time, yet done almost nothing. We've also not as yet seen a male character we've already been introduced to have the ability to channel (since Rand began gathering them i mean).

 

There is plotline options in there--i mean Gawyn's hatred of Rand has pretty little chance of being realised, and now he is near Pevara's bonded channelers, who stand a high chance of being darkfriends... and from Egwene's dreams we know he has some fairly dramatic choices to make, choices that will see her alive or dead.

 

 

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[Vemynal]

i want thom to be able to channel >.>

 

not for the fact that he can channel but just so i know his awesomeness will live on for hundreds of years after the series ends^^

[DemandredFO]

I hope Thom can channel too but even if he can't I think he'll have longer lifespan because he is in the stories.  Any number of Aes Sedai would probably heal Thom i.e. Moiraine, his wife, Nyneave.

[Vemynal]

you cant heal old age unfortunately

[Ndshacker]

Personnaly I am bordering on hoping that rand forces Alanna to release him,(If he gets evil enough, through compulsion.) And What happens with Min? If she dies from old age, and Rand is still Alive, will we have a death crazed maniac on our hands again. One other thing, will Lan's bond shift back to Moiraine when she returns from the Aelfinn and Eelfinn.

[Mr Ares]

Personnaly I am bordering on hoping that rand forces Alanna to release him,(If he gets evil enough, through compulsion.)

Does he know compulsion? He can't use it thorugh the bond. And why not just ask?

And What happens with Min? If she dies from old age, and Rand is still Alive, will we have a death crazed maniac on our hands again.

Probably.

One other thing, will Lan's bond shift back to Moiraine when she returns from the Aelfinn and Eelfinn.

No.

[DemandredFO]

According to Egwene he knows compulsion.

[Silver]

And how would Egwene know anything current about Rand? :P

[Hybrid]

Egwene thinks about his when she hears of Aes Sedai swearing fealty.  She does not realize that it is Verin/ta'vereness.

[DemandredFO]

That was my point, Silver, Egwene does not know anything current about Rand yet she "knows" he compelled sisters.

[Ndshacker]

I knew he didn't know compulsion, but considering the other stuff he's figured out and the fact that he has a forsaken as a prisoner, I think he may learn it. Also, wouldn't min just release the bond when shes about to kick the can?

[Mr Ares]

I knew he didn't know compulsion, but considering the other stuff he's figured out and the fact that he has a forsaken as a prisoner, I think he may learn it. Also, wouldn't min just release the bond when shes about to kick the can?

Assuming she can release the bond (she may need someone to do it for her), and assuming she gets enough notice, then yes, she likely would release the bond to stop Rand from going crazy...alright, crazier. And why do you think he would learn compulsion because he has a captive Chosen? She can't teach him. Are you saying she would give him the incentive to learn? If so, why? Or are you saying that he already has the incentive, but would appreciate a captive Chosen as a guinea pig?

[Asmo]

Personnaly I am bordering on hoping that rand forces Alanna to release him,(If he gets evil enough, through compulsion.)

Does he know compulsion? He can't use it thorugh the bond. And why not just ask?

 

He did ask, but Alanna refused. Unless you mean command her, calling on her oath to serve him. But his bond to Alanna did prove useful sometimes, even if he'd rather be alone. Besides, Alanna said she'll leave him to whoever's bonded him if she's capable enough, and once she finds out about Elayne and Aviendha and Min, she probably will.

 

And What happens with Min? If she dies from old age, and Rand is still Alive, will we have a death crazed maniac on our hands again.

Probably.

 

Assuming the bond works that way. We've already seen that it's different with bonded male channelers. Perhaps saidin will protect him from the deathrage that follows the bond snapping. After all, using saidin is a deathrage in itself.

 

About Rand and Compulsion: No evidence whether he knows it or not, but it is a possibility. Not that Asmodean would've taught him (Rand wouldn't have asked, and even if he had Asmodean wouldn't have taught him that because it's too dangerous for him to know, probably claiming he wasn't strong enough to do it with Lanfear's shield - which was an excuse, since the weaves can still be formed to display how they are performed even if the user is not enough to make them work, as shown by Sorilea), but it might have seeped from Lews Therin. No proof either way.

[Ndshacker]

That would really suck, "Yay Rand just saved the world... Where's Min?" Death is now filling the strongest channeler alive, with nothing but a lust for vengeance.

 

Or maybe because he was bonded by four women that so long as one is alive he remains sane? Scratch that, remains as sane as he is.