billoumm7 Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 this is somewhat confusing, but is lanfear really dead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majsju Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Uhm, how far into the series are you? I do not want to spoiler anything, so I will just say that we get a definite answer in WH, though strong hints are dropped even earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussie_ashaman123 Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 yes, Lanfear is dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trakand_01 Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Hmmmm... i'd go with Majsju, it all depends how far into the series you are for the sake of spoilers! However you know (from the options on your poll) that Moiraine is alive... 'Lanfear' is dead and gone forever though, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balefireruinssteaks Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Lanfear was brought back by the Dark One in the form of... Bela it's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billoumm7 Posted March 22, 2008 Author Share Posted March 22, 2008 Uhm, how far into the series are you? i've finished, aside from AMOL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjclinton Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 Then you already know the answer...... Lanfear was killed and the DO placed her soul into the body of Cyndane. I would have 'chosen' that option, but it wasn't in the poll ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billoumm7 Posted March 24, 2008 Author Share Posted March 24, 2008 no, i dont believe cyndane is lanfear! lanfear was stronger and what not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckers Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Yes, well she is. Sorry champ its confirmed in Winter's Heart. The decline in strength most probably results from her being severed from the True Source when she fell therough the exploding ter'angreal and healed by a woman, but irrespective she is Lanfear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dreadlord Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Lanfear dropped the angreal she was using when Moiraine tackled her, did she not? That technically would have burnt her out, and although it hasnt been confirmed in the books I think that is the reason why Cyndane is weaker than she was as Lanfear. Also, Siuan and Leanne are weaker than they were, they notice it. However, Logain is as strong as he was-we would have heard otherwise. So, from this I get that someone stilled/gentled must be Healed by someone of the opposite sex to regain their full strength. Having said that, many characters have been pushing limits with the power (namely Nynaeve and Flynn in mind here, who both discovered Healing being gentled/stilled seperately AND found a new weave of regular Healing using all 5 powers) so it would not surprise me if another weave was discovered that allowed a channeller to restore full strength to someone of the same sex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadere Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 She could feel it. That much of saidar being drawn to one spot was a beacon that any woman in the world who could channel would feel and locate. So he had found a woman to use the other access key. She would have faced the Great Lord-faced the Creator!-with him. She would have shared the power with him, let him rule the world at her side. And he had spurned her love, spurned her! -Winter's Heart, Chapter 35: With the Choedan Kal Boom. Doesn't get much clearer then that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duneflayer Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 quite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckers Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 Lanfear dropped the angreal she was using when Moiraine tackled her, did she not? That technically would have burnt her out, and although it hasnt been confirmed in the books I think that is the reason why Cyndane is weaker than she was as Lanfear. She didn't, it was clawed between them. But honestly, with everything that was going on--them fighting with an angreal involved whilst being transported transdimensionally into a world with different physical laws by a ter'angreal that overloaded and was destroyed--it seems almost impossible that they were not Burned out. Cyndane subsequently dies, was transmigrated, was healed by a Black Rebel--she decreased in strength to the same degree as Suian and Leane.... The end. Also, Siuan and Leanne are weaker than they were, they notice it. However, Logain is as strong as he was-we would have heard otherwise. So, from this I get that someone stilled/gentled must be Healed by someone of the opposite sex to regain their full strength. Having said that, many characters have been pushing limits with the power (namely Nynaeve and Flynn in mind here, who both discovered Healing being gentled/stilled seperately AND found a new weave of regular Healing using all 5 powers) so it would not surprise me if another weave was discovered that allowed a channeller to restore full strength to someone of the same sex Unfortunately, that is not going to happen. RJ has stated that if a person is healed by someone of the same sex their strength will be decreased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dreadlord Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 Yes I know, if you read properly you will see that I already mentioned that. I didn't say it would happen. What I was saying is that I wouldn't be surprised if it did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckers Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 You wouldn't be surprised if something happened that RJ said would not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trakand_01 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 I agree, RJ said it wouldn't happen and to be honest, i think he had (and BS now has) so many threads to pull together that throwing us off the scent on something like this is likely to have been somewhere near the top of his 'things i'm certainly not going to do' list. In actual fact, Nynaeve didnt discover how to heal Stilling, and Flinn didnt discover how to heal Gentling - Nynaeve discovered how to heal Logain, and Flinn discovered how to heal... I forget who it was. They discovered how to heal the opposite, Nyn just took what she'd learned on Logain and applied it to Siuan and Leane but because of the differences, she couldnt restore Siuan and Leane to full status. I can't wait for the uproar in the Little Tower when Siuan is restored to her full power. Sheriam, Romanda and Lelaine will be sitting tenderly for a long time, I think ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aevogt Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 I think this may have been touched on before but wouldn't Leane and Suian have to be stilled again to be healed to their full potential by a man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trakand_01 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 I think it has been touched on, and IIRC the answer was that we dont know. It's not been done before, so maybe, but then again, maybe flinn could just... add... to what Nynaeve did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dreadlord Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 I think you took what I said too literally. I will explain it better so you understand. In the early books as a reader you get a pretty good idea of whats possible with the Power and whats not. Later on, those boundaries seem to be stretched, some even broken. My example was Nynaeve and Flynn, with Healing. What I meant was that I wouldn't be surprised if more of these boundaries were broken. Fair enough if RJ said it wouldn't happen it won't happen-what I said wasn't intended to mean that something would happen that RJ did not wish to happen (and I agree that if RJ said it wouldn't, then it shouldn't)-indeed, when I said it I didn't know RJ had written it off-but my original point is that discoveries are being made, the impossible now seems that little closer to reach. One thing though, and I know this is going slightly off point, but Branden Sanderson said he would stick to RJs intentions for book 12 as much as he can. Now I don't know if Im reading between the lines here but I think there are some minor things BS is going to change. (If anyone replies to this as if Im saying BS will have someone Heal another of the same sex to full One Power strength I will hunt you down. That isn't what Im saying) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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