Death in the Artic - Mafia Game!

[Barmacral]

Alys probably is innocent IMO. If FDM is evil, she'll likely pick an innocent to claim as an innocent, because if we lynch FDM and find out that she is evil, the prime suspect is suddenly anyone she's called innocent, the first person being her first claim. In this case it is Alys. This would set Alys up to die quickly after FDM, and FDM would be laughing as we took down an innocent that she put on the spot. Whereas if Alys were evil, FDM would probably ignore her at first, so as to not draw unwanted attention to her.

 

Thats just what makes sense to me anyways.

[Alys Kinch]

Sorry Sira. I saw the first number decrease and the rest wasn't registering. That scenario is assuming we lynch the sk/vig in the next two nights and that one of them uses a kill. And that they are the only night kills we know about.

[ilgross]

The following people have not voted, and have thus earned my evil eye...

 

Leelou

Sirayn

Mr Soy Boyo

DPR

Dsage

Danya

Safir

Barm

Alys

[Dark Justice]

Evil eye? As in: You are evil?

 

Lets lynch Ilgross.  ;D

[Vemynal]

Ok first off I [glow=red,2,300]unvote[/glow]

 

because I'm not going to get a role reveal on myself that entire plan basically has gone out the window. So heres where i proclaim a truce of sorts. FDM, do you get full role reveals?

 

If you do then view me tonight and tell me what your results are in the morning. I know I'm not evil so if you call me that its obviously back on but if I'm a paranoid cop then this is all a big misunderstanding.

 

And I will *not* be night killing anyone tonight as I need fdm's info/am unsure if she's really evil.

 

Yes I know if she's really evil she could lie and say I'm paranoid which would remove a finder essentially from the game but thats why i want the other finder to view me *IF* fdm is evil.

 

If both of you view me and fdm posts her results then she's telling the truth if we get no counter claim. If we get a counter claim then either thats an evil trying to kill her or the real finder. its a risk but it's also a chance to figure out this mess.

 

And the other finder would only have to reveal assuming she's wrong about my role/alignment.

 

Unfortunately if FDM doesn't get role reveals this plan can't be done anymore. But since I'm not given role reveals since I'm also a vig i assume fdm who claims to be a normal finder will get role reveals.

 

So what do you say fdm? view me tonight.

 

Vemy has false revealed in 2 of the 3 games I've played with him, trade mark, eh?

 

Vemy has a good track record for false claiming

 

and check your facts you 2.

black tower mafia games: I have never had a role for good or evil

Seanchan: roleless

organized games: I've been evils twice and I false claimed *ONLY* in WWW.

 

Twitch you've only played 2 games with me, WWW and nuthouse. i didn't lie about my role in nuthouse.

 

so again: check your facts

[Leelou]

Ok I'm going to put my vote back on [glow=red,2,300]DPR[/glow] for all the reasons I said earlier. I really don't think lynching Sirayn today will help us advance with enough information for tomorrow.

[Kryos]

And Lynching DPR would do the same thing when you think about it. Just look at what I've said about lynching DPR, in my opinion it isn't the way to go.

[Leelou]

We both have our own opinions and I'm not going to get into it with you.

[MsDanya]

I think I'll just go ahead and vote [glow=red,2,300]Sirayn[/glow] for lynch.

[DPR]

 

I'll be in and out today, so in the event that I live, I will also *not* use my nightkill tonight.

 

Mod? Are there any ill effects to be suffered after receiving your evil eye?

[Thorum]

Lynch

 

Sirayn(5): Thorum, Kryos, Talya, Dark, Danya

 

DPR(3): FDM, Twitch, Leelou

 

Captain

 

Alys(7): Dark, Talya, Danya, Kryos, Vem, Leelou, Barmacral

 

Kryos(1): Thorum

 

And, with 16 players, 8 votes for captain/lynch

 

I don't know who did it, but I got convinced of Alys' being innocent, so I'm gonna change my captain vote to [glow=red,2,300]Alys[/glow]. She's chosen (I think). This doesn't change anything to the lynchvotes, because alys hasn't voted yet.

 

This makes the lynch vote:

 

As to my last post yesterday: I won't have internet during most parts of the week, and the only thing I'll be able to do is quickly read through everything and post/sum up my opinions. Also, somewhere I read someone suggesting sacrificing someone to wes so we know whether he really can do that. I think that, under these circumstances (my very limited internetaccess), this game will loose part of its charme to me. I just remembered it by the time the pc-room was already about to be closed, so I had to type it quickly.

On second thought, this could easily be staged by the evil team. So, I retract my candidacy for being test-person, because it'll be useless. Furthermore, both wes and vemy declared unwilling to test their nightkill-abilities tonight.

[Sirayn]

I just cannot understand why it's so hard to have a dialogue in this game. I have explained my case repeatedly, in the clearest possible terms, yet I still get responses like from Barmacral: "It just seems too unlikely a strategy for anyone to come up with. 2 different finder's revealing, then attacking each other? They aren't even the same finder claim." In my scenario, all three players are on different teams. There is no joint co-operative strategy because they are on different teams. They are on different teams so there is no joint co-operative strategy. Different teams. No joint co-operative strategy. This is just the tip of my frustration iceberg, and it's nothing personal Barmacral, but I'm getting the impression that nobody even read what I said!

 

Dark Justice:

 

You are in general attacking everyone and everything. A bit too hard in my eyes. And your theories are in my eyes very far fetched & unlikely.

 

Yet again, substantiate your arguments! QUOTE the point you're disagreeing with and EXPLAIN your disagreement. Then I can respond.

 

This is so incredibly frustrating. I realise an unusually high number of people are evil in a serial killer game, but is no innocent out there even listening?

[Sirayn]

I had high hopes of surviving today without having to role reveal, particularly since we have two claimed finders, two claimed guilties and a claimed serial killer, but since we appear to be having a collective fit here, let me put my cards on the table and explain my case yet again for what I desperately hope is the last time.

 

I have the ability to send anonymous messages via the mod. Last night I came up with a strategy based on two principles: firstly, that no innocent should be harmed; and secondly, that evil players should respond in a way I could recognise instantly. I therefore sent both Far Dareis Mai and Kryos, and I believe the latter can confirm this, the message "YOU ARE BEING INVESTIGATED". I chose these two because (a) I would gain most information from their alignments and (b) I had no reason to think that they were on the same team - obviously, if two evil partners were to receive the same message and confer, the effect would be lost. The point of my messages was that if either Kryos or Far Dareis Mai was evil, they would be forced to claim finder with a guilty result immediately before the anonymous finder came forward.

 

The next morning, Far Dareis Mai claimed finder with a guilty result. I will post further analysis and casework in a minute.

[SBoydW]

Well I'm not voting for you Sira... ;D

 

Didn't someone say admit to being investigated last night? Was it Vemy? Maybe FDM shared these results with him?

 

Vote [glow=red,2,300]FDM[/glow]

[Dark Justice]

Wow. [glow=red,2,300]unvote[/glow].

 

And Sirayn. Thing is. Once more I feel you trying to attack to defend.

 

-Yet again, substantiate your arguments! QUOTE the point you're disagreeing with and EXPLAIN your disagreement. Then I can respond.

 

Is it even possible for you to comunicate without lecturing & trying to sound superior?

 

[Sirayn]

Far Dareis Mai confirmed earlier in the thread that she received a warning that she was being investigated. The fact that Vemynal claimed finder afterward, and claimed to have investigated her, set off a gigantic alarm bell in my mind - I asked Vemynal if he was a clumsy finder (and the source of the warning) to see if he'd take the bait, but he didn't. I'm not entirely sure what to make of that at the moment but I personally suspect he is an opportunistic evil player and deliberately did not confirm that he is a clumsy finder because he knows someone - and by this I mean someone else - was the source of that warning. Indeed, he may have guessed from my question that it was me.

[Sirayn]

Once more I feel you trying to attack to defend. (...) Is it even possible for you to comunicate without lecturing & trying to sound superior?

 

Yes. I try to ... usually. If I communicate without lecturing and trying to sound superior, will you back up votes with reasoned arguments and quotes? ;)

[MsDanya]

oh well.. [glow=red,2,300]unvote [/glow]

 

 

[Sirayn]

Sorry - that was pretty snippy. I am very frustrated with this game and I feel that almost nobody is engaging in discussion with me. But that's no excuse for personal comments and I'll try to be more polite.

[Dark Justice]

hehe. We will see. I just go on general feelings. Thats the thing. I never quote, cause there is never just one or two quotes I get the feeling from. Its the entire picture..

[Dark Justice]

Oh. And with your info, Id like to see what FDM has to say to her defence. To put a bit more pressiure on her, Ill vote [glow=red,2,300]FDM[/glow] aswell...

[SBoydW]

I am going to call this advice, to EVERYONE, at the moment because anything else would sound to harsh.  I know that this game can get people a bit high strung at times, but if you find yourself getting that way please take a moment before you post and bring the tension level down a few notches.  These games are meant to be fun, and for some people it's hard to have fun when there's constant petty bickering.  So again, let's try.... no let's not try, let us actually keep it civil.

[Sirayn]

Let me repeat my full case and reasoning thereof.

 

As I explained above, I was waiting to see a finder claim from either Far Dareis Mai or Kryos so I would know which, if either, was guilty. So I naturally concluded upon seeing Far Dareis Mai's finder claim - with a guilty verdict on DreadPirateRoberts - that she was evil. I even had my finger on the button to reveal all and tell her so before the real finder was forced to counter claim. However, I decided to hold my fire so I could see who defended her and therefore who to pursue at a later stage.

 

Next up, her victim DreadPirateRoberts confesses that he has a regular night kill and may come up evil under investigation. This triggered my evil radar like nothing else. A regular night killer who comes up evil is the definition of a mafia member, serial killer etc. This is why I believe DreadPirateRoberts is evil.

 

At this point, I had to re-evaluate my take on Far Dareis Mai. It seemed - and still seems - inconceivable to me that Far Dareis Mai could have guessed that DreadPirateRoberts was a serial killer. This opened the following options:

 

(a) they are on the same team and conferred; I considered this unlikely because, honestly, only the clinically insane would claim to be a serial killer; on the other hand, it's possible that they decided DreadPirateRoberts should go down as quickly as possible without any mud slinging so Far Dareis Mai was unquestioned as finder;

(b) Far Dareis Mai is or has a partner who is a genuine innocent finder; I considered this unlikely because the timing of her reveal, coming right after I told her she was being investigated, was far too convenient unless it was a fake claim instigated by fear of being found guilty;

© Far Dareis Mai is or has a partner who is a genuine but not innocent finder. This is the conclusion I eventually reached. This is why I believe Far Dareis Mai is evil.

 

It's important to note at this point - thanks SBoydW for reminding me - that Far Dareis Mai explicitly mentioned the message that I sent to her. I bring this up because I'm moving on to ...

 

The next claim! Vemynal claimed to have investigated Far Dareis Mai and found her guilty. His claimed result was not as straight-forward as usual but he clearly accused her of being evil. Since this came after Far Dareis Mai mentioned that she had been investigated, I found this extremely suspicious! The fact that he found Far Dareis Mai guilty, however - bearing in mind my view on Far Dareis Mai's allegiance - lead me to believe that they are not on the same team. This also explains DreadPirateRoberts' statement that he was told there was more than one serial killer. This is why I believe Vemynal is evil.

 

Just had a thought - it's possible that Vemynal and DreadPirateRoberts are on the same evil team; I've never heard of paired serial killers and I consider a team with two regular night kills to be overkill, but it's possible. It could even be that Vemynal does have limited finder capabilities in conjunction with his killing abilities. This would explain why Vemynal attacked the person who uncovered DreadPirateRoberts.

 

This scenario answers the following questions:

 

1. How did Far Dareis Mai know that DreadPirateRoberts was a serial killer? (Answer: she is a mafia finder.)

2. Why did she claim when she did? (Answer: she is evil, she believed she had been investigated overnight and she had to claim first with a guilty.)

3. How many good roles with regular night kills who may come up evil do we have? (Answer: none. They're evil.)

4. Where does Vemynal's claim come from? (Answer: he jumped on Far Dareis Mai's comment about having been investigated; he figured there would be support for lynching Far Dareis Mai, who is, after all, his enemy as they are on separate evil teams.)

5. Why did DreadPirateRoberts say that there is another serial killer? (Answer: it's Vemynal.)

 

That's my case in short. I'll add any more comments as they occur to me.

[Sirayn]

Just to clarify: I still stand by what I said - DreadPirateRoberts and Vemynal are serial killers and therefore they need to be lynched before Far Dareis Mai, who is mafia, because it will reduce the number of regular evil night kills.

[Sirayn]

By the way, here are two quotes from Far Dareis Mai that had me singing all the way to university ... figuratively speaking:

 

And I was, for the record, examined last night.

 

What the heck more do you want me to say? I told you what I was told. YOU ARE BEING INVESTIGATED. That was it. I think it's funny you choose to blindly deny what is put right in front of your face. Why would I make a thing like that up? Common sense should tell you that the Captain would have been the first person to be examined this night. You can imagine my surprise when I got that pm, since I had just received a pm with the results of my findings

 

I had had my doubts about exactly how anonymous these anonymous messages would be. For example, it could be that the mod message to Far Dareis Mai made it clear that they had come from another player, in which case they would have been treated with suspicion, but it appears from these two quotes that in fact they were totally indistinguishable from genuine automatic warnings produced by a clumsy finder. I was thrilled. ;)