[GAME OVER - TOWN WINS] Dragon and Swift

Darthe · June 1

Oh did Ed claim the shot on heavy?

I must’ve missed that. Cool beans, heavy’s a wolf so Ed is town.

Gudrean · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 10:28 PM, Darthe said:

On 6/1/2025 at 11:50 AM, Gudrean said:

I was cop starting the game at N0 and passed it to Dice

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Checks out, I’m cool with that. Not alignment indicating of itself but picking dice is. Why him?

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I figured he would be good at knowing the best person to view. I had already viewed OgDarthe so Dice would know to view the next most important player.

SinisterDeath · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 10:28 PM, Darthe said:

I maintain I’m town” is different from “I’m town”. People misuse “slips” all the time, but this is a real one.

vote sd

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Lolz that's not a slip at all.

I've said I'm Town since D1. In the context of the post, I'm talking in the third person, and analytically about the situation of us both maintaining that we are town..

Per my question to DPR... At this point I'm ready to say, just shoot me, and you'll see I'm Town.

Then you can resolve Turin.

Ithillian Turambar · June 1

Hey Darthe.

Yeah no. I think you judging Heavy based on his posts calling you. Heavy had a confirmed pro Town role. He was dead and is back now. Same Heavy.

He needs to calm down the aggro though.

Peace is not just random head hunting. I got receipts and I've posted them. I wasn't even really looking at him till he started to constantly agree with me and laugh at everything and was a real follower and then...

A lame duck limp onto Heavy when the Sinister vote tailed off

Saying he had Heavy as a high Mafia read. I checked and he did not

Not unvoting Heavy when he claimed a pro Town role when he was there and able to do so

Saying later that he does feel Heavy's role was Town positive

Getting all snarky and name called at me in the night

Having and awful lot of flyby and BRB posts since Teph got his and I called him out for his activity

Please don't do the 'love ya' but you don't know what you doing.

It's kind of demeaning. I'm not gonna make up an alternative. You get me some evidence that counters my evidence. You don't just say 'hey but you bad'

I'm still

1. Peace

2. Turin/Sinister

3 symp maybe Eddie cos of shooting. Maybe Sinister... lol be funny if Peace lynched his own symp. Maybe Shad with the Werewolf thing.

Darthe · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 10:32 PM, Gudrean said:

I'll agree Ed is a bit sus for shooting Heavy, not sure about the not voting thing.

Peace has been attempting to show work from what I can tell but could still be wolf if not giving any info on who he would vote other than SD.

Not sure I like the SD train at this point, might switch votes if I see reason enough.

Berf seems to be giving it his best when he posts

Turin is def doing the work

Ithi - has the town thing going with a small caveat that she is good enough to pull off deep wolf

Heavy is def putting in the work

newDarthe claimed and hasn't really said much to make me not believe him

who am I missing?

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This post has me worried that you don’t understand the role claim.

There’s no (logical) choice in accepting the claim. Its mod confirmed that the role was used, I claimed proactively before the role was realized to be used in the OP. and I’m not CCd. That’s as confirmed as anything you’ll ever see in a mafia game, short of an IC or mod error.

This means that your only options regarding the Turin/SD wagons are to believe the ability results were compromised or to believe that one of them is a wolf. There are complex reasons to believe it wasn’t messed with, but suffice it to say it is improbable enough to not chase those ideas down unless we get better info to support that notion.

Mathematically, a 50/50 to get a wolf is enough that in a high level game the players never go outside of those two options in a day.

the TLDR here is that WIFOMing on the ability use or on lynching outside of those two is low level play. I’m not saying that as an attack. I’m saying it because I need you to not be a liability, and I want you to understand where your decision making above is flawed. I am trying to help the decision making above improve. On the plus, this does look very townie for you.

Darthe · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 10:39 PM, Gudrean said:

I figured he would be good at knowing the best person to view. I had already viewed OgDarthe so Dice would know to view the next most important player.

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Yeah that tracks, dice has great fundamentals and hasn’t alienated the newer players so I see why you’d be comfortable with him.

Darthe · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 10:41 PM, SinisterDeath said:

Lolz that's not a slip at all.

I've said I'm Town since D1. In the context of the post, I'm talking in the third person, and analytically about the situation of us both maintaining that we are town..

Per my question to DPR... At this point I'm ready to say, just shoot me, and you'll see I'm Town.

Then you can resolve Turin.

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I’m not really worried about the slip, just highlighting it because it’s interesting in context. Admittedly, could be wrong there but I do think I’m leaning towards you as the wolf between you two.

id like to see more from Turin, him and Ithi both tbh.

unvote

Ithillian Turambar · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 10:31 PM, Darthe said:

Ithi if peace were town would you think SD was the wolf over Turin?

Conversely if it is peace and Turin, who is their third?

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It was Teph.

Your post that says Peace is doing Town things, where you say I'm just biased, is wrong.

He didn't give two people he thought might be Mafia

My timeliness of the Day 1 lynch and his actions there was accurate

My finding of his previous posts about Heavy, after he said Heavy was his number 2 Mafia lead was accurate

Darthe · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 10:42 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Hey Darthe.

Yeah no. I think you judging Heavy based on his posts calling you. Heavy had a confirmed pro Town role. He was dead and is back now. Same Heavy.

He needs to calm down the aggro though.

Peace is not just random head hunting. I got receipts and I've posted them. I wasn't even really looking at him till he started to constantly agree with me and laugh at everything and was a real follower and then...

A lame duck limp onto Heavy when the Sinister vote tailed off

Saying he had Heavy as a high Mafia read. I checked and he did not

Not unvoting Heavy when he claimed a pro Town role when he was there and able to do so

Saying later that he does feel Heavy's role was Town positive

Getting all snarky and name called at me in the night

Having and awful lot of flyby and BRB posts since Teph got his and I called him out for his activity

Please don't do the 'love ya' but you don't know what you doing.

It's kind of demeaning. I'm not gonna make up an alternative. You get me some evidence that counters my evidence. You don't just say 'hey but you bad'

I'm still

1. Peace

2. Turin/Sinister

3 symp maybe Eddie cos of shooting. Maybe Sinister... lol be funny if Peace lynched his own symp. Maybe Shad with the Werewolf thing.

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Fwiw I love this post.

I stand by my reads and don’t think I’m wrong on them, but I like seeing someone else I think is town who’s diametrically opposed to my viewpoints. That’s a very strong position.

We should not be voting outside of Turin/sd today. That’s the piece I am most against. I’d feel the same way if someone else used the role and claimed, it’s not about me casting it but rather about the information gleaned from it.

I do still see an unreasonable focus on peace. For the bad posts you can make that are so important to you, I read them and think they’re slightly worse than null. Similarly, he has strong posts that lean me the opposite way that you’ve ignored. I get it if you wanna murder that guy, but I’m asking you to set it aside for today.

As for heavy, I don’t at all agree that apportioner is pro-town. It’s good for either team and it is stronger for a wolf. If that’s the basis of your pass I need you to step back and re-evaluate.

Darthe · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 10:49 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

It was Teph.

Your post that says Peace is doing Town things, where you say I'm just biased, is wrong.

He didn't give two people he thought might be Mafia

My timeliness of the Day 1 lynch and his actions there was accurate

My finding of his previous posts about Heavy, after he said Heavy was his number 2 Mafia lead was accurate

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What am I missing here? The timing inaccuracy just means nothing to me, I do that all the time… as town.

Ithillian Turambar · June 1

Oh you said what if Peace is Town?

If Peace is Town then he wouldn't know who the Mafia are... so it could still be either Turin or Sinister who is Mafia

And Teph.

But I don't think Peace is Town. .. so as he's been pushing Sinister for two days and hasn't been able to give a read on ANYONE else then that makes me think more likely Turin is Mafia.

Ithillian Turambar · June 1

I'd love to see your 'strong posts' from Peace lol

Ithillian Turambar · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 10:54 PM, Darthe said:

What am I missing here? The timing inaccuracy just means nothing to me, I do that all the time… as town.

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He didn't want Teph to be Lynched. He was expecting to see a Sinister lynch going down. He wasn't prepared for it not going down and didn't have any other possible mafia leans.

He limped onto Heavy saying he was his next strongest Mafia lean. I checked ALL of his previous posts that related to Heavy. They did not indicate a strong mafia lean at all.

Gudrean · June 1

what's the VC?

Turin Turambar · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 9:52 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Saying you think Shad might be defending you for town cred would have been more succint. I think we the concept without you talking for five minutes about how you played last game. And then adding in a bunch of weird other possibilities does not seem to really show where your head is at.

This is getting really annoying, Sinister. (see how I could say that without spending four paragraphs explaining about something that was annoying in the previous game?)

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I don't understand your take here Heavy. Giving background to help understand his perspective is very reasonable. Now he could well be telling a story to appear more town like and it would be fine to disbelieve him. Your take that he is too verbose in explaining is weird. Annoying is not a valid reason to lunch someone. I'd have to retire as I'd never make it past D1.

Darthe · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 10:56 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

I'd love to see your 'strong posts' from Peace lol

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May be a bit out of order here but these are all from today.

On 6/1/2025 at 4:24 PM, peacesells said:

Back from the shower until the wife tells me "enough time with your girlfriend." (computer)

Ithi, you've misrepresented timelines, statements and tried to pigeon hole me so much that if I didn't believe your opening role claim It would ping as a huge scum tell.

I've answered every one of your hot takes and you have not responded to any of them.

You don't even back off the mod confirmed story is just flavor.

So, I'm ignoring you for awhile as it is distracting and I'm not scum.

Onward.

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A wolf doesn’t want to disengage from a person misrepping them as loudly as you are. He is frustrated here, clearly, and isn’t backing down on his points, so why does a wolf!peace both resist making accusations of you and simultaneously refuse to continue to engage? I’ll remind you that in posts below he both references that he thinks DPR threw in some curveballs on role matching alignments, and on wanting to jump on the Turin/sd match. He left himself a window here to chase you and didn’t take it.

On 6/1/2025 at 2:53 PM, peacesells said:

Ok...still going through my first read through but I'm very confused about 1 pt.

If Leelou was the scum team kill as many are assuming.....how did Dice die if he used his one ability to revive Heavy?

Dice was cop, doc and necromancer?

I need to wrap my head around this before I can dig into Darthe's results on Turin and SD.

I'm not voting until this is cleared up.

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This is a pure attempt to solve. Remove peace and pretend dice said this, and how townie would you think it is? And it’s wrong about Ed/dice doing the revival from what I understand, which isn’t a mistake an informed wolf makes. I wouldn’t argue that he’s out of the loop as a wolf, as in your scenario he’d be very engaged for one.

On 6/1/2025 at 3:28 PM, peacesells said:

I already stated that the apportioner role leaned Heavy as town.

I'm pretty sure the DPR didn't give out all the roles traditionally since he's trying to make alignment at death difficult to determine.

You are acting like he is cleared town.

Heavy is hard to read because he OMGUS's every person that leans on him. Like....everytime.

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You’ll disagree on it but this read on heavy is strong and is a better consideration of the apportioner role. I’d be more inclined to agree if you thought this was TMI than if you think it’s just wrong. Heavy aside, the setup point about roles aligning with alignment in a no coroner game is again just smart play. It’s not an observation I think a wolf can state in thread easily without coming across as over-informed but here it’s pretty natural.

DPR · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 10:00 PM, SinisterDeath said:

@DPR does the gun only happen at EOD?

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Yes

Ithillian Turambar · June 1

Apart from he didn't answer all my questions

He didn't give who he thinks who the remaining Mafia are

He's not gonna antagonise me, as I already think he's Mafia and poking me back would not dissuade me of that.

Why is it so hard to accept that maybe I'm just right.

I changed to Teph because his vote reason on Tigs/you was awful. Teph didn't unvote till a while after you came back and then Teph went to Heavy. Teph didn't unvote when Heavy claimed he also didn't try and claim a role.

Teph is confirmed Hot Potato. I don't think that was a pass along role as its not actually described as being passed along in the role list.

Peace slanked onto Heavy with a very weak reason that I checked and disproved. I think the Mafia team were caught on the hop.

I also think Peace won't give any alternative reads because he forgot to be consistent in early game. He thought he could just follow along with me. And now he can't.

Leaning Town is as good as we can get, but I'm not gonna vote for someone who has a generally Town positive role.

Darthe · June 1

Like there’s not some godly single post that I can point to and everyone’s going to bow before his towniness.

thats not how the game works.

but I’m looking at a player and I’m seeing some pretty difficult to fake posts, made nearly consecutively, in the same day.

Ithillian Turambar · June 1

It's a real shame Dice can't come back till Game Tomorrow. I'd love to know what he did.

DPR · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 11:13 PM, Gudrean said:

what's the VC?

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Catching up now

Ithillian Turambar · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 11:35 PM, Darthe said:

Like there’s not some godly single post that I can point to and everyone’s going to bow before his towniness.

thats not how the game works.

but I’m looking at a player and I’m seeing some pretty difficult to fake posts, made nearly consecutively, in the same day.

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Potato/potato

Darthe gonna Darthe.

Peace is Mafia.

Teph was mafia

Turin or Sinister are Mafia

Don't ever give Ed a gun

Darthe · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 11:34 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Apart from he didn't answer all my questions

He didn't give who he thinks who the remaining Mafia are

He's not gonna antagonise me, as I already think he's Mafia and poking me back would not dissuade me of that.

Why is it so hard to accept that maybe I'm just right.

I changed to Teph because his vote reason on Tigs/you was awful. Teph didn't unvote till a while after you came back and then Teph went to Heavy. Teph didn't unvote when Heavy claimed he also didn't try and claim a role.

Teph is confirmed Hot Potato. I don't think that was a pass along role as its not actually described as being passed along in the role list.

Peace slanked onto Heavy with a very weak reason that I checked and disproved. I think the Mafia team were caught on the hop.

I also think Peace won't give any alternative reads because he forgot to be consistent in early game. He thought he could just follow along with me. And now he can't.

Leaning Town is as good as we can get, but I'm not gonna vote for someone who has a generally Town positive role.

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You could be right.

but not responding to you doesn’t make him a wolf.

not having a perfect memory of events doesn’t make him a wolf.

antagonizing doesn’t either, though you’ve done far more of that this day than he has.

so none of those count for anything. You’re too good at hunting for those to be what you’re spending your day on.

More importantly, I’ve gifted the thread a higher probability shot at killing a wolf than any read. Why are you so dead set on dodging a 1 in 2 shot at a wolf?

Ithillian Turambar · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 11:35 PM, Darthe said:

Like there’s not some godly single post that I can point to and everyone’s going to bow before his towniness.

thats not how the game works.

but I’m looking at a player and I’m seeing some pretty difficult to fake posts, made nearly consecutively, in the same day.

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I'm just seeing Peace being flakey and annoyed and trying super hard to NOT give any reads on anyone apart from voting for Sinister.

But that works too. It's a depreciating tactic on Peace side cos the clock is ticking and the numbers are on Town's side.

Darthe · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 11:38 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Potato/potato

Darthe gonna Darthe.

Peace is Mafia.

Teph was mafia

Turin or Sinister are Mafia

Don't ever give Ed a gun

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I see.

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