[GAME OVER - TOWN WINS] Dragon and Swift

[Shad_]

Who else didn't I mention?

 

Leelou still feels fine to me, not in a big way but she's here doing her own thing with no sense of an agenda.  It's villagery enough for day 1 we'll see where things go.

 

Turin and Teph reads still pending, will try to look at them closer D2 if we're still alive.  Gun to head Teph's town but it's too flimsy to articulate, something in a lack of accommodation, will need to give it a closer look before I can draw a conclusion.

 

Above average chance of a wolf in Tig and Ed but that's just Werewolf 101 not specific things they've said or done in this game.  I'll wait and see.

 

I think that's everyone g'night.

 

[dicetosser1]

  On 5/30/2025 at 12:29 AM, Shad_ said:

Has Gud been a wolf yet outside of that multiball game where practically everyone was a wolf?

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  On 5/30/2025 at 12:31 AM, Ithillian Turambar said:

I didn't really want to do this on Day 1 but 

 

Release the Kraken

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  On 5/30/2025 at 12:52 AM, Gudrean said:

fwiw I think Ithi is town 

How Rude! You are definitely not getting another xmas card this year!

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  On 5/30/2025 at 1:39 AM, SinisterDeath said:

I'll get to these in a minute.

 

You know, none of you have ever stopped to think... Maybe that's just how my mind works? Some of you think inside the box, others think outside the box, and I'm over here saying, where's a bloody box?

 

But sure... I'll try to give it my "best" with the above people I asked Heavy to give me his thoughts on.

 

Peace - Up to similar high strung antics as last game. Almost too similar. Seems to be holding a grudge from last game. OMGUS energy. 

 

Teph - Feels different, can't place the reason why. 

 

Gud - Gud laying the foundation of getting on my "good side" during N0, felt sus. 

 

Berf - I honestly don't have much to work with to really say. Wondering what Darthe saw that said "Wolf".

 

Leelou - She gave me a few soft "defenses" here and there, with more then enough wiggle room to back track if. I'd say is probably NAI, and is just something an experienced Mafia player would do. So... Null.

 

If you want me to say "this person is definitely wolf, or this person is definitely town".

 

I can't do that, not won't. I can't. I. Do. Not. Have. Enough. Information.

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TY   and for the record im not fussed how your mind works. im fussed about being able to understand what your saying and how your acting

 

 

  On 5/30/2025 at 1:57 AM, SinisterDeath said:

Tbf, I was sketched out, by Darthe not mentioning me at all.

 

Like he went through all that trouble addressing everyone, and then purposely? Left me off that list. Lol

 

Like how much PTSD did I give him last game? Damn.

 

Hey @dicetosser1, what would happen if I say... Trust the dice?

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Id say you were right 😄 

[DPR]

  

Current Vote Count:
 

Sinister (4) - Ithi, Turin, berf, peace

Teph (2) - Lee, Heavy

Tigs (1) - Teph

Gud (1) - dice

berf (1) - Shad

 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. 
 

Deadline @ 4 pm EST on Friday ( May 30th) 

 

9 Hours and 20 mins

 

*Countdown clock link at top of OP

[Turin Turambar]

Everything took longer than it should so sorry for not being about. I'm just gonna go through some thoughts from my notes and maybe address a couple of post after.

 

First thing I noted was heavy seemed content to continue joking when Darthe attempted to get the game going.

 

SD sussed Darthe accused him of distancing from him, which would have made them teammates if Darthe was mafia. It felt like an attempt to tie himself to a townie. Darthe then died.

 

Peace bemoans lack of hunting, proceeds to not hunt.

 

SD says spec leads to WIFOM. I disagree.  Berf was able to articulate a reasonable thought that wasn't WIFOM in any stretch.  IMO anyway. 

 

SD town win con thing. First, the language is boiler plate so easy to fake. Second the thought process doesn't track for me. Maybe it is just me.

 

Heavy sussing Shad and Darthe (Darthe had Heavy as maf)

 

SD confusing post count with spam. It's about content. Ironic considering his reads later.

 

Heavy says it's N0, we shouldn't be looking for wolves?!?!?

 

Darthe dies. Bad break but town still has some aces up our sleeves I think.

 

Reactions I noted:

Gudrean exclamation 

Tephulis also (maybe they went what?? Together)

Ithi call out DPR for necromancer not being able to revive Darthe

Leelou pours one out for Darthe (if she's mafia this is smooth as heck)

Heavy "woe is us" a bit OTT imo

SD more WIFOM 

 

Heavy susses Ithi for shift from joking to militant in regards to SD. She was on him through the night so I don't get this. 

 

SD susses Heavy,  accused him of killing Darthe. 

 

Heavy not liking any of Shad's posts. He "me too"s a question Leelou asked. Felt like buddying.

 

SD reads, wishy washy comes to mind. Is he voting anyone?

 

Heavy thinks mafia is Shad, Ithi, Tephulis but willing to drop Shad cause he has Heavy as town. Wha????

 

SD fib about me interacting with Ithi. We did go.back and forth about the mech thing. Ftr, you are probably never gonna see much in the way of chit chat in thread because of all the past flak it created. My general MO for dealing with her is not to worry about it until D2 at the earliest. 

 

SD uses phrase "let's say" NO. SAY WHAT YOU MEAN. 

 

Berf WIFOM about Darthe's reads. I don't think he came back to that.

 

Shad asks about last game on SD. Others have replied. My take is NO. He didn't make sense then. He was full of WIFOM then. He used the light rod thing to deflect then also. I feel he is doing that again. My opinion. 

 

Heavy defends SD as TWTBAW.  Another thing used last game. 

 

Heavy talks about Ithi aggressive. Yes, the Eye of Ithiron is a thing.

 

That's as far as my notes go. I'll give my overall thoughts next but I see that I mentioned SD and Heavy a lot.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 5/29/2025 at 3:14 AM, berf said:

  On 5/29/2025 at 3:12 AM, Shad_ said:

I dunno mate even in a world where SD is a wolf and you are a villager I feel like you caught him on a gut level and your articulation of why you feel that way lost the plot.

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I accept this. 

 

I am playing vibes mafia and my words are often wordy. I am available for clarifications. Apologies

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This feels like a back down. Surely there shouldnt be a confusion where you have a gut read and where you think an argument is defense by proxy? Also Berf's quote where he says Sinister makes a case for Darthe was killed to trap him seems a huge stretch. Yes Sinister thinking that Darthe not mentioning him was world-rockingly important seems odd. But to add in Darthe was killed to implicate Sinister and then Sinister argues Ithi is town because that would clear him from this villainous plan... what? 

 

But the wolves killing Darthe because his wolf reads (me and Berf) were correct is too narrow a thought process. I'm not sure that we have to be so dismissive of cause and effect being related in ways that make sense. I think until Shad brought it up I had glossed over all the waffle about defense by proxy as just one these things you cannot quite articulate but looking back it seems really incoherent, with this back pedalling to "yeah it is just a gut read" feels really false. 

 

Still don't like how unnatural Teph is feeling, but maybe more time will help resolve his alignment one way or the other. 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

UNVOTE

VOTE BERF

[DPR]

  

Current Vote Count:
 

Sinister (4) - Ithi, Turin, berf, peace

Teph (1) - Lee

Tigs (1) - Teph

Gud (1) - dice

berf (2) - Shad, Heavy

 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. 
 

Deadline @ 4 pm EST on Friday ( May 30th) 

 

8 Hours and 34 mins

 

*Countdown clock link at top of OP

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

Bah, just to clarify, the "too narrow a thought process" was a quite from Berf about why Darthe couldn't have been killed simply because he was on the right track in some way. 

 

Whereas it totally makes sense they killed him to implicate SD who cleverly got out of it by defending Ithi who was trying to eliminate him (which as in this scenario is the wolf plan, that would make Ithi rather sus) is a much better thought process to apply. 

 

Sketches me out a bit. Not sure how I glossed over this the first time, I think I was just ignoring the lengthy explanations about a far-fetched conspiracy theory. But the details are a little unsettling, especially with the "yeah it is a gut read" agreement at the end. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

Morning.

 

I kind of slowed my post roll to give you all space lol. I know I clog up the game.

 

In the great tradition of DM we instantly forget the words of the dead. And the dead are usually killed for a reason.

 

  On 5/28/2025 at 3:49 AM, Darthe said:

Ah dang heavy got his first wolf game.  Had to come sometime friend.

And here’s the second.

 

will resolve whether that post was a bus of shad post flip.

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This post has Darthe saying Heavy is probs mafia and may or may not be bussing Shad. And the second person he mentions as being Mafia is Berf.

 

  On 5/28/2025 at 4:03 AM, Darthe said:

That should leave a wolf in leelou, Tig, and peace.

 

 

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Thankfully this one actually has the names still in there.

 

We also need to remember that there is a Mafia Symp out there... and the Mafia don't know who they are.  So watch for people who might want to keep folk alive... even if they are suss as heck.

 

I'm not gonna go over why I think Sinister should be Lynched today. He's been making great content since I shushed and all content can be used in the future.

 

A lot of you think I am Town, which I am, but Shad straight coming out and saying I am likely to be unlynchable means I'm gonna get killed at Night at some points.

 

*Do NOT send any parcels my way*

 

cos if I die with them they are lost to the Game.

 

I'm perfectly OK with not having any Night Actions to deal with. But you Town People that do have them are gonna have to learn to share information at some point. Just remember that there might be some messing with roles but mix and match info at some point should straighten that out.

 

8 hours and 33 minutes till end of Day 1.

[DPR]

8 hours and 28 mins til end of day 

 

 

[DPR]

🤣

[Ithillian Turambar]

God you're annoying

[Turin Turambar]

Sorry that was longer than intended. 

 

Okay current takes

 

Turin: yep, I'm town.

 

Shad: town, I see him looking hard at things. Some things I don't agree with but I admit to not being able to see tone and such.

 

Ithi: feels like town, I follow her thoughts. 

 

Leelou: not saying a lot but what she has said made sense and asking good questions. Good town lean

 

Peace: I like the trying to move the game moments. Not consistent in actual digging though imo. Slightest town.lean.

 

Dice: not seeing as much grumpyDice. Maybe the drinking helped. Not a lot here but nothing pinging either.

 

Berf: neutral.  I liked his early stuff.  Im kinda worried he is riding ithis coattails.

 

Ed: null. Not enough to go on. 

Tig: null. Not enough to go on. 

These two need to contribute more. 

 

Gudrean: Current but not giving independent thoughts. At least not as much as would like. Nothing really stands out. She did give some sass a couple times which I think is positive. Slight mafia lean in part to PoE.

 

Tephulis: mafia lean. I don't remember anything he said. He has been in thread but I have no idea of any of his views except lunch slankers?!?

 

Heavy: noted above. The resistance to ending jokes. Mafia

 

SD: mafia. All of the thoughts above. 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

Your mafia read is that I didn't immediately jump into list reads based on people's first posts?

 

Ok. Well it is difficult to be upset with people sussing you when they have such a strong case, lol. 

[Leelou]

Just an FYI I’ll be on later, busy morning this morningz

[Turin Turambar]

  On 5/30/2025 at 11:56 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Your mafia read is that I didn't immediately jump into list reads based on people's first posts?

 

Ok. Well it is difficult to be upset with people sussing you when they have such a strong case, lol. 

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Lololololol 

There was more than that in the above thoughts,  but OK. 

[dicetosser1]

  On 5/30/2025 at 11:21 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

This feels like a back down. Surely there shouldnt be a confusion where you have a gut read and where you think an argument is defense by proxy? Also Berf's quote where he says Sinister makes a case for Darthe was killed to trap him seems a huge stretch. Yes Sinister thinking that Darthe not mentioning him was world-rockingly important seems odd. But to add in Darthe was killed to implicate Sinister and then Sinister argues Ithi is town because that would clear him from this villainous plan... what? 

 

But the wolves killing Darthe because his wolf reads (me and Berf) were correct is too narrow a thought process. I'm not sure that we have to be so dismissive of cause and effect being related in ways that make sense. I think until Shad brought it up I had glossed over all the waffle about defense by proxy as just one these things you cannot quite articulate but looking back it seems really incoherent, with this back pedalling to "yeah it is just a gut read" feels really false. 

 

Still don't like how unnatural Teph is feeling, but maybe more time will help resolve his alignment one way or the other. 

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@Turin Turambar @Ithillian Turambar
 

take a look at the above post and see if I’m over reading it for a slip plz?

 

I immeadiately blinked but then made the mistake of thinking.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 5/30/2025 at 12:09 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Lololololol 

There was more than that in the above thoughts,  but OK. 

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Not really. Possible buddying. Saying SD is TWTBAW even though I'm pretty sure I haven't said that without also mentioning mainly how I was burnt with that the game before. I sussed some people. A lot of the mentions in your notes are NAI. Like I comment that Ithi is being aggressive, why is that in your comments so you can mention that I appear in them so often? 

 

Obviously I'm biased when it comes your read on me, but all your notes seem cherry picked to back up a different idea of what is going on in the thread. Normally I can follow your arguments pretty well but so far this doesn't feel like real reads to me at all. 

[Turin Turambar]

Dice, I don't see it but all the words are running together in my head. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

I dunno Dice. It's hard to make sense of it because it seems like general rambling thought process. 

 

There's also a second post that follows on so I'm honestly not sure what you are seeing.

 

 

[dicetosser1]

  On 5/30/2025 at 12:20 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Dice, I don't see it but all the words are running together in my head. 

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did heavy just admit to being scum?

look at the top of the second paragraph

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 5/30/2025 at 11:33 AM, Turin Turambar said:

Berf: neutral.  I liked his early stuff.  Im kinda worried he is riding ithis coattails.

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You what now?

 

When did he do that?

[Turin Turambar]

  On 5/30/2025 at 12:19 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Not really. Possible buddying. Saying SD is TWTBAW even though I'm pretty sure I haven't said that without also mentioning mainly how I was burnt with that the game before. I sussed some people. A lot of the mentions in your notes are NAI. Like I comment that Ithi is being aggressive, why is that in your comments so you can mention that I appear in them so often? 

 

Obviously I'm biased when it comes your read on me, but all your notes seem cherry picked to back up a different idea of what is going on in the thread. Normally I can follow your arguments pretty well but so far this doesn't feel like real reads to me at all. 

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I Merely noted the things that stood out in my notes. You and SD appeared a lot in ways that were questionable imo. 

Here was my method. I read the thread taking notes about various things I may want to.mention. I highlight post that strike me as sketchy. I go back and read.my notes looking for patterns, links, etc. I form my conclusions and post them. ( thus iteration is a bit smaller cause I've been away and didn't want to add a whole page to the thread of reacting to individual posts)

Lemme find the TWTBAW post. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 5/30/2025 at 11:21 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

But the wolves killing Darthe because his wolf reads (me and Berf) were correct is too narrow a thought process.

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  On 5/30/2025 at 11:27 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Bah, just to clarify, the "too narrow a thought process" was a quite from Berf about why Darthe couldn't have been killed simply because he was on the right track in some way. 

 

Whereas it totally makes sense they killed him to implicate SD who cleverly got out of it by defending Ithi who was trying to eliminate him (which as in this scenario is the wolf plan, that would make Ithi rather sus) is a much better thought process to apply. 

 

Sketches me out a bit. Not sure how I glossed over this the first time, I think I was just ignoring the lengthy explanations about a far-fetched conspiracy theory. But the details are a little unsettling, especially with the "yeah it is a gut read" agreement at the end. 

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@HeavyHalfMoonBlade can you get the quote from Berf where he says this please?

[Turin Turambar]

  On 5/29/2025 at 8:13 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Sinister confuses me. The whole lightning rod thing makes him the centre of the conversation. With Darthe's read list I didn't notice Sinister wasn't on it, and if I had, I wouldn't have cared. Too easy a mistake to make, too little implication. So the claim that this now is the basis for everything that happening and the death of Darthe just seems totally wild.

 

And while it would be easy to say, this is totally not wolf behaviour, we know Sinister can play like this as a wolf, though possibly it is actually NAI. I want to say Sinister is TWTBAW, yet that was my gut feeling last time. 

 

About the only the thing I feel a little good about is that Sinister feels a bit more rattled this time than last when he was chill Pete the cat, or whatever that was. Though that might be because this game he has Ithi on his case, lol. I can can see that disconcerting a lot of people. 

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Second paragraph.