[GAME OVER - TOWN WINS] Dragon and Swift

[berf]

1 minute ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

So lazy

But he's ALWAYS MAFIA. It's right there!

 

RE setup speculation - my only takeaways are a) the dead vote block is likely of above average trust, and b) I think dead and voting is more powerful for town than mafia. I don't know how to use any of that yet. And thus ends the train of thought; you are indeed welcome.

[DPR]

32 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

According to the OP, any dead player can be resurrected. 

 

@DPR, is that correct?

Correct

 

30 minutes ago, Tigraine said:

 

In the sense that we know they aren't misleading.  Still doesn't mean they know who wolves are anymore than the rest of us...unless they had an action which told them.

 

So yeah, just ignore me...carry on lol

 

Keep in mind that Coroner is a role.

[Leelou]

1 minute ago, DPR said:

Correct

 

 

Keep in mind that Coroner is a role.

So folks who are lynched/killed are not alignment revealed upon death? 

[dicetosser1]

@DPR  can you send me some makers real quick??  Would straighten me out….

[DPR]

3 minutes ago, Leelou said:

So folks who are lynched/killed are not alignment revealed upon death? 

Correct

[DPR]

4 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

@DPR  can you send me some makers real quick??  Would straighten me out….

Best to be safe…

 

 

[Leelou]

 

1 minute ago, DPR said:

Correct

TY

 

so in that sense we cannot trust the dead. They will be removed from the thread upon alignment reveal. 

[Turin Turambar]

3 minutes ago, Leelou said:

So folks who are lynched/killed are not alignment revealed upon death? 

Only any role they were in possession of at their death is revealed

 

I think it would look like this.

Spoiler

DPR,  3rd party mod has been lynched. He was also necromancer.  That role is removed from the game

 

 

Everyone  wins!!!!!!

 

[dicetosser1]

4 minutes ago, DPR said:

Best to be safe…

 

 

 

sculls

 

ty!

 

I need to try no 46

[Leelou]

3 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

Only any role they were in possession of at their death is revealed

 

I think it would look like this.

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DPR,  3rd party mod has been lynched. He was also necromancer.  That role is removed from the game

 

 

Everyone  wins!!!!!!

 

Yes, but roles can be handed around to anyone. 

[DPR]

1 minute ago, dicetosser1 said:

 

sculls

 

ty!

 

I need to try no 46

It is DELICIOUS

[DPR]

I’ve never had the cask strength though - love to try that sometime

[DPR]

Remember, no RL posting 

[DPR]

LOL

[dicetosser1]

2 minutes ago, DPR said:

It is DELICIOUS

right now I need to head to Dan murphys

 

1 minute ago, DPR said:

I’ve never had the cask strength though - love to try that sometime

 

right there ithi you

 

 

1 minute ago, DPR said:

Remember, no RL posting 

a) it’s night zero

 

b) drunk mafia don’t count

[Turin Turambar]

2 minutes ago, Leelou said:

Yes, but roles can be handed around to anyone. 

True. But as I understand things if you are in possession of a role (say cop) and you die before handing the role off. Then the role is removed. I assume you keep the role until night goes to day. So if killed at night, you would still be cop, so cop removed. 

[Leelou]

Just now, Turin Turambar said:

True. But as I understand things if you are in possession of a role (say cop) and you die before handing the role off. Then the role is removed. I assume you keep the role until night goes to day. So if killed at night, you would still be cop, so cop removed. 

More I’m saying role doesn’t guarantee alignment, so dead can’t necessarily be trusted.

[Ithillian Turambar]

2 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

 

right there ithi you

 

Don't bring me into this

 

illegal RL Posting

 

 

[Ithillian Turambar]

2 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

True. But as I understand things if you are in possession of a role (say cop) and you die before handing the role off. Then the role is removed. I assume you keep the role until night goes to day. So if killed at night, you would still be cop, so cop removed. 

I don't know if this was confirmed or not. Maybe the Pirate has a really complicated spreadsheet with times and things.

 

Or a notebook.

[dicetosser1]

1 minute ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

 

Don't bring me into this

 

illegal RL Posting

 

 

dobber……

[Turin Turambar]

2 minutes ago, Leelou said:

More I’m saying role doesn’t guarantee alignment, so dead can’t necessarily be trusted.

Oh. OK.  Yes, completely true. Especially after tonight. 

[SinisterDeath]

42 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

I was having a nap, which led to having a think about something setup adjacent.  So spoilers 

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Is it better for us to choose treestump or spirit or does it depend on the player? I would argue that for most players it's better to continue to be able to vote as the more townies voting, the less power the mafia has in controlling the lunching. The only real exception imo are really active players that are going to keep hunting even after death.

The next thing is it a net positive to coroner people and give them a "second" death? That removes them from being able to vote (or speak if that was their choice). My opinion is keeping people in the voting pool is more positive to town than confirming alignments. Maybe coroner on lunches in order to do wagonomics would be valuable. I guess there is a likelihood of multiple people dying each N/D cycle so that will sort itself out. The last thing is should we ever necro anyone before checking if they are town? This would be another argument for coroner use. Yes, I've changed my mind there. Coroner use is a net positive to me due to ensuring only townies get resurrection. 

So my takes on these topics are:

1. Spirits error treestump for most people. 

2. Coroner use is a net positive used mostly for lunches and/or to verify people prior to resurrection. 

3. Only confirmed people should be resurrected. 

After going through this, I am thinking these conclusions are obvious.  I may have missed things. If so, please point them out.

 

Okay... So since you're talking game mechanics, possibly as a way to peacock that you are Town!Turin acting as Town!Turin talking Game Mechanics like normal Town!Turin would do, and not doing this.

 

It should be obvious that many of those Power Roles, particularly the ones that get "passed on" to other players... Like say the Coroner, The Cop, The Doc, the Bus Driver, the Bunyip, the Mathematician, and the Traffic Analysist, aren't always going to go to Town...and some of them may well start on Mafia for all we know. (We have 20 power roles, not including the Stump and Spirit, and 14 players!)

 

What I don't know is how this.  

17 hours ago, DPR said:

Once an “afterlife” player’s alignment is revealed, that player will leave the game, i.e. "Noobmaster, Town, has left the game."

Works with Mafia' lying about player alignments and coroner type roles.

 

E.g. If Zander is Mafia gets a cop role, and then claims "Bob is Mafia", and leads a successful lynch on Bob.

Then DPR's slightly drunker twin Brother, DERP, who is also Mafia gets the Coroner Role, claims that Bob was in fact Mafia.

Does Bob get removed from the game for having their "Alignment revealed"? Or does only "true alignment revelations" remove Bob from the game?

 

If Mafia can lie and remove tree/spirts from the game, We're in for a world of... pain.

[Turin Turambar]

1 minute ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

I don't know if this was confirmed or not. Maybe the Pirate has a really complicated spreadsheet with times and things.

 

Or a notebook.

Well he said that all actions are simultaneously conducted so maybe the dead will still get their results.  I guess we find out soonish.

 

 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

The only thing about all this speculation is that I'm guessing DPR has thought about this more than any of us, so not entirely sure I would go with one thing has an obvious advantage.

 

That said, I personally don't have a clue what is going on so this is a theoretical standpoint only. 

[dicetosser1]

5 minutes ago, SinisterDeath said:

 

Okay... So since you're talking game mechanics, possibly as a way to peacock that you are Town!Turin acting as Town!Turin talking Game Mechanics like normal Town!Turin would do, and not doing this.

 

It should be obvious that many of those Power Roles, particularly the ones that get "passed on" to other players... Like say the Coroner, The Cop, The Doc, the Bus Driver, the Bunyip, the Mathematician, and the Traffic Analysist, aren't always going to go to Town...and some of them may well start on Mafia for all we know. (We have 20 power roles, not including the Stump and Spirit, and 14 players!)

 

What I don't know is how this.  

Works with Mafia' lying about player alignments and coroner type roles.

 

E.g. If Zander is Mafia gets a cop role, and then claims "Bob is Mafia", and leads a successful lynch on Bob.

Then DPR's slightly drunker twin Brother, DERP, who is also Mafia gets the Coroner Role, claims that Bob was in fact Mafia.

Does Bob get removed from the game for having their "Alignment revealed"? Or does only "true alignment revelations" remove Bob from the game?

 

If Mafia can lie and remove tree/spirts from the game, We're in for a world of... pain.

I must be REALLY drunk cause that almost made sense…