[GAME OVER - TOWN WINS] Dragon and Swift

SinisterDeath · June 1

Off to...

Ithillian Turambar · June 1

I'm not sure how I've misrepresented a timeliness by quoting that timeliness as it happened.

I do see that none of you have been able to give two names of who you think are Mafia.

And now you don't want to engage with me lol.

That's ok. Imma watch movies and enjoy Sunday.

SinisterDeath · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 4:24 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Example:

Dice tries to Cop Turin

Busdriver switches Turin and Berf (random)

Dice gets result from Berf, but thinks it is for Turin

Does that make sense?

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It does actually.

I've said before that the bus driver role hurts my damn head.

Ithillian Turambar · June 1

*misrepresented timelines

Autocorrect don't like mafia game words.

Ithillian Turambar · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 4:24 PM, peacesells said:

I've answered every one of your hot takes and you have not responded to any of them.

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Did I miss you saying which two names you would give as mafia.

If so I'm sorry. Please quote the post I missed.

DPR · June 1

Current Vote Cout:

SD (2) - Turin, Gud

peace (3) - Heavy, Shad, Ithi

Turin (1) - SD

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch

Day 2 ends at 4 pm on Monday, the 2nd.
The countdown timer is the first post in the OP

HeavyHalfMoonBlade · June 1

Also all this business with the flavour or not, we know in this case it perfectly aligns. There is only one NK in game, the wolves. The only other mechanic that can kill someone is the Siren. Leelou had no way of interacting with the Siren at night.

If I'm mistaken on any of these points, I'd love to hear it.

Harping on about its only flavour does not make you look good. The scene pointed to this, the mechanics back it up. No guarantee it will in other situations but we can cross those bridges when we come to them.

Ithillian Turambar · June 1

Here we go then.

Does actually give a list. Always useful.

On 6/1/2025 at 4:04 PM, Turin Turambar said:

SD was my pick for mafia yesterday. I'm still wanting him resolved if possible. I'm town so simplest solution is he's mafia. If he's not then something must have happened to Darthe or he just lied, which I don't think is likely.

I was doubting Heavy's claim but it was accurate so I'm leaning town there mostly because there doesn't seem to be any real mafia killing roles other than the gunsmith recipient and that kill is.in day so I don't know if Apportioner would even work.

Shad's insistence of SD innocence is pinging. TMI leading to being right orjust straight trying to carry a teammate I'm not sure. Starting to think the latter.

Ed slanking is worrying. Do we have time to deal with that? I'm not sure.

Peace being a bit obtuse feels off.

Would prefer to lunch SD and see where that leads.

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Sinister must be rating Darthe and has gone for his opposite number. Hasnt been able to give a 2nd option for Mafia though.

On 6/1/2025 at 4:10 PM, SinisterDeath said:

Also of note.

Even if you did get bussed, or if I did.

Our alignments aren't affected.

(I guess it helps to read bus driver again)

So, yeah.

Vote Turin.

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On 6/1/2025 at 4:33 PM, SinisterDeath said:

*pokes @dicetosser1 corpse with a stick*

I suspect during the day phase he could always just vote for the person he peaked, and that'll tell us who the siren is.

Lynch me or don't, but If Darthe is telling the truth on his alignment check, then Turin's the wolf.

@Ithillian Turambar, your argument that "SD is defending himself instead of looking for wolves" is BS".

If some one comes at me with accusations, I'm going to attempt to respond, regardless if I'm playing Town or Wolf. I'm going to spend time refuting their claims, either with logic or counter you with "Ad absurdum". That's just my personality.

When I'm "done", with that, then I go and look at other people, and see what others have said, and what inconsistencies I'm spotting.

Some of this "stream of concious" I'm posting. Is stuff I'm pointing at and saying "y'all seeing this shit? This look sus or am I just over reacting?".

But, I find it incredibly... Sus that you continually move the goal posts. If I'm "defending myself" from an onslaught of attacks, I'm a wolf. If I point out sus behavior, I'm casting confusion and doubt. Or I'm changing the Ithillian narrative.

So, I don't know if this is just... Wolf!Ithillian behavior, or just standard Ithillian manipulation behavior.

Have a G'day!

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Dude Day 1 that's all you did for the better part of a day. But now I have the Darthe - Sinister/Turin issue to resolve.

I already moved to voting Peace because for me he's now much clearer because of the content he has given in the game.

Can you tell me 1 more name of who you think might be Mafia, other than Turin please.

HeavyHalfMoonBlade · June 1

The bus driver makes Darthe's info even more sus. I mean, they could both be wolves, Lolololol.

Don't like basing eliminations, two days worth, on such flaky info. Not that I don't have my suspicions but it seems a suboptimal way to choose targets.

Can anyone give me an explanation that would square any of Darthe's behaviour with being Town aligned? He is happy with the Teph elimination but also wants to eliminate me, despite my claim despite how adamant some people were to eliminate me over Teph. He makes a flyby vote that starts my train while admitting he hasn't read the thread. He gives Berf and Peace both glowing reads about how natural they are. His case against me is "this is a wolf post. This is a wolf". I cannot see how this is a sincere town player.

Can any of you explain why nearly everyone is accepting him as the towniest townie that has ever towned? I'm happy to be convinced, I just cannot see the slightest possibility that it is true. So what are you guys seeing that I am not?

Ithillian Turambar · June 1

The only advice I can offer you is Darthe's gonna Darthe.

And I think it's always best to use your own feelings about what that means.

Ithillian Turambar · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 5:08 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Can any of you explain why nearly everyone is accepting him as the towniest townie that has ever towned? I'

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Oh. Cos he had a role that is for finding alignments. And he claimed it just as it was removed. And that means it was a real role that's been removed.

And there's no CC on it yet.

And the symp don't need it cos they know who the Mafia are. And the Mafia don't need it cos they know who they are.

But they don't know who their symp is lol.

Anyways being able to find out alignments I think is a plus Town thing hence Darthe is very likely Town. And Very Likely is the best you'll get in this game.

ed2funy · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 4:29 AM, Darthe said:

OK Ed, you're here and you've got good tone, but I need you to feed me boo. Can't ride along for three consecutive games man, it's not good practice.

So gimme something. Hot takes. Reads. Favorite scene from TNG. Just feed me bby.

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you can do everything right and still lose.
Ithi teased siren and is trying to hard to be town.
someone teased giving me a gun. I’ll have to go find the link, but I think I know who it was and they’re mafia.

ed2funy · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 9:33 AM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Tease?

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You “singing songs” for people

HeavyHalfMoonBlade · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 5:15 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Oh. Cos he had a role that is for finding alignments. And he claimed it just as it was removed. And that means it was a real role that's been removed.

And there's no CC on it yet.

And the symp don't need it cos they know who the Mafia are. And the Mafia don't need it cos they know who they are.

But they don't know who their symp is lol.

Anyways being able to find out alignments I think is a plus Town thing hence Darthe is very likely Town. And Very Likely is the best you'll get in this game.

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I'm not disputing any of that, I'm asking about his behaviour.

HeavyHalfMoonBlade · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 5:19 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I'm not disputing any of that, I'm asking about his behaviour.

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Ah sorry missed your first post. Don't think that is really much answer for me but thanks.

ed2funy · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 10:27 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I was getting confused a bit about the Mentalist. Not a pass the parcel role. Definitely not a mafia role, they know who is who.

So anyone else claiming?

Though the trouble is if someone used the role and died, we wouldn't know that. How quick was Darthe's claim? Not sure I like that. But even if genuinely the Mentalist, Darthe can be the Symp.

Darthe hasn't explained his flyby vote on me making me a competing train to Teph. He has not given a single reason for continuing his attack on me "this is a wolf" hardly counts as anything meaningful.

I'm suspicious that he is cool with Peace, I'm totally with Ithi on that.

Darthe says he is cool with the elimination of Teph retroactively, but his actions were to do a flyby vote to get a counter train going and then dip. Doesn't seem like Darthe was particularly keen on eliminating Teph in practice.

Turin's case on me was really worrying. I appear a lot in his notes when his notes consisted of some really early interactions and me calling Ithi aggressive (my bad btw, the word I was looking for was fierce, sorry about that). I can see why Darthe, if somehow genuine could view Sinister and Turin, but it also feels off. That could be just my suspicions of Darthe and Turin speaking.

Also still sus of berf. He seems to have flown under the radar a bit since he was an early train option that derailed on favour of me and Teph. Worth keeping an eye on I think.

Would like to hear something more substantial from Ed. Sorry is a good start though, lol. Ed said he wasn't caught up in the thread. From the OP the Gunsmith's guns only last a day but why fire if you aren't caught up? Why shoot but not vote?

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When I shot, I think your train was starting to fizzle and it didn’t sit right with me.

HeavyHalfMoonBlade · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 5:25 PM, ed2funy said:

When I shot, I think your train was starting to fizzle and it didn’t sit right with me.

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Raisins, young man. Why not vote?

Ithillian Turambar · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 5:19 PM, ed2funy said:

You “singing songs” for people

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I'm not the Siren. I just did that cos it's funny and people were sick of all my words. I'm hardly gonna tease a role that kills people.

When Dice gets back he can tell us what he did.

I had the Doc parcel on Night 0 and gave it to Dice. I had the Traffic parcel on Night 1 and passed that to someone I hope is good.

Did you see that Heavy's train was fizzling because he'd claimed a role. Did you not believe his claim?

Ed, you think the Mafia are giving the guns? That's so twisted but you know... Pirate. He'd be giggling if Town killed itself.

I assumed the Gunsmith would be a Town thingy.

Shad_ · June 1

Site lag is rather cumbersome right now.

Trying to find something but I only have a few minutes and each page of the thread is taking half a minute to load.

Shad_ · June 1

I was trying to dig up Turin's case for SD and I think I skimmed all of it though I no longer have it open in front of me.

What bothers me about it is a personal thing that's kind of weird to articulate but

Last time we played together I happened to be very right on D1, and Turin happened to be a wolf, and wolves killed me N1 and I heard a lot of accolades post-game.

I'm not trying to say this like *I'm all that* and should be blind sheeped to victory. But I expect Turin specifically to, in light of the last game and his post-game reaction, and in light of him feeling pretty confident that I'm town here, to not take my most confident reads lightly. I know I do this often and am pretty ready and willing to give extra attention to the reads and reasons of people I think are town and have high confidence in.

It bothers me that Turin kinda glossed over my take. He didn't ignore it outright, but it was a sort of one-liner dismissal that didn't weigh the equity of what I was saying.

Should Turin have given me more credit? Maybe not. Certainly if SD is the wolf between them then my D1 was quite lacking.

Would village Turin have given me more credit? When I'm a villager in his shoes, I would. It feels like the natural thing to do there, for better or worse.

So even though it's very possible that he is a villager who is playing a lot better than I am in this game, it kinda sketches me out.

That being said, if he was a pack wolf, I think I would be dead. After all, he killed me n1 last time when I was right a lot, and if he's a wolf in any world but wolf!Darthe faking the difference check on two partners to clear one of them, I must have been right a lot again.

So lost/lone wolf--I assume that's what we're calling a symp here--makes a fair bit of sense to me.

Me being dead wrong D1 also makes sense to me, I just feel like town!Turin would be more distracted by my bad reads in that world?

I am a retired tryhard and do not intend to get intensely invested in solo solving everything in this game or any others, so I'm not going to fight for it or meticulously read all of his or SD's posts to achieve the most informed possible conclusion.

But that's where my head is at right now.

SinisterDeath · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 5:19 PM, ed2funy said:

You “singing songs” for people

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Lol, I'm not the gunsmith.

I have my sus who is tho, and I was pleading that Town not to give you one... after LAST game.

SinisterDeath · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 5:18 PM, ed2funy said:

someone teased giving me a gun. I’ll have to go find the link, but I think I know who it was and they’re mafia.

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Should have quoted this, with the above.

Seeing as I posted the Nirvana song about not having a gun*.

Gudrean · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 7:37 PM, SinisterDeath said:

On 6/1/2025 at 5:19 PM, ed2funy said:

You “singing songs” for people

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Lol, I'm not the gunsmith.

I have my sus who is tho, and I was pleading that Town not to give you one... after LAST game.

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can the gunsmith give the gun to themselves tho?

SinisterDeath · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 7:46 PM, Gudrean said:

can the gunsmith give the gun to themselves tho?

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That's a question for DPR.

I do share Ed's suspicions that the gunsmith could Mafia.

If the Gunsmith was Mafia, it would be a gamble to give it to town, (unless there's a stipulation that they can't give it to wolf?). But it's not like they aren't already all about manipulating trains, and getting the Eds of the world to shoot the people they've manipulated to be sus...

Mafia universe is useless for figuring out if any of these roles are Mafia aligned or Town aligned.

Hot Potato = Role Blocker, but could have just as easily been passed to Teph on N0.

Apportioner = Could easily be Mafia. Theoretically... If whoever is doing the Mafia NK can be killed by the Siren. Then they could "protect" their teammate with the Apportioner.

Siren = Could also be Mafia, Town, or even Mafia Smyp. (Mafia Universe lists this role as 3p)

So here's my thought.

The bus driver is a pass along role.

So if someone used it last night, they should just come out and say so.

If they won't, then that means it's now in Mafia hands.

If you used it N0, you need to tell us who you sent it to.

And hopefully, the bus driver didn't use it N0 and isn't currently dead...

Gudrean · June 1

On 6/1/2025 at 8:12 PM, SinisterDeath said:

That's a question for DPR.

I do share Ed's suspicions that the gunsmith could Mafia.

If the Gunsmith was Mafia, it would be a gamble to give it to town, (unless there's a stipulation that they can't give it to wolf?). But it's not like they aren't already all about manipulating trains, and getting the Eds of the world to shoot the people they've manipulated to be sus...

Mafia universe is useless for figuring out if any of these roles are Mafia aligned or Town aligned.

Hot Potato = Role Blocker, but could have just as easily been passed to Teph on N0.

Apportioner = Could easily be Mafia. Theoretically... If whoever is doing the Mafia NK can be killed by the Siren. Then they could "protect" their teammate with the Apportioner.

Siren = Could also be Mafia, Town, or even Mafia Smyp. (Mafia Universe lists this role as 3p)

So here's my thought.

The bus driver is a pass along role.

So if someone used it last night, they should just come out and say so.

If they won't, then that means it's now in Mafia hands.

If you used it N0, you need to tell us who you sent it to.

And hopefully, the bus driver didn't use it N0 and isn't currently dead...

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LOL that's a lot of maybes and kindas that don't help us solve 😄

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