Camp Dreadfall Mafia Game -- GAME OVER -- MAFIA WIN!

[ed2funy]

5 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

 

I was telling him im not just gonna do whatever he said.

 

last bit is interesting. all i wanted was you to say what you were listing them for.  But the tone of that last bit comes off hard and defensive/annoyed. What no more lighthearted ed?

Sorry not sorry but we don’t have time for light hearted Ed. But imma still make lil jokey jokes. 
 

So did you know or not that it was a mafia list based on the context of the post?

[SinisterDeath]

Sorry I've been absent all day. I've been crazy busy, herding cats trying to get a 5 & 7 year old to help clean up their toys most of the morning. Ran an errand. Bought some new plants. Watched Krull with the kids, ate supper, and then had to do the whole "2 hour bed time routine" so the kids are half way presentable for school tomorrow.

 

Anyways, caught up on the thread and man, y'all are obsessed with me.. SD this, SD that. Everyone is talking about SD, in their comments at some point, and that just brings me full circle to what I said about... Suss those that suss me. It really can't be great to have me in your thoughts this much. Light knows I hate being in my own thoughts as long as I am!

 

For whatever reason, I'm a fekking lighting rod in Mafia. Always have been. (Btw DPR and co, check the COC sometime, PG-13 language is a rule here. I've let it slide. Putting F*ck is still typing it. But because Feck was used in the show, we've allowed that as an exception. So just type that for feck sake. Lol)

 

Anyways, as I was finishing my catch up, this post caught my eye.

 

54 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

SD still needs to explain the whole asterisk thing. That is really concerning. Though if he was a wolf it would be odd if those trying to sus him were also wolves. Could be bussing be seems a strange choice at this point

 

Didn't I explain it to GK here? Is this a misrep, cause this smells like a misrep?

 

On 5/15/2025 at 9:06 PM, SinisterDeath said:

On 5/15/2025 at 8:59 PM, Gabriel Kross said:

On 5/15/2025 at 8:57 PM, SinisterDeath said:

Spoiler

Most town to least town

HeavyHalfMoonBlade*

dicetosser1

Tephulis

Tigraine

ed2funny

peacesells*

Darthe

DPR*

Turin Turambar

Gabriel Kross

 

what do those asterix mean?

Expand  

Their positions could radically change depending on their actions.

 

I have Heavy are Core Town, but one bad interaction with DPR could have them switch places

 

I'll explain it again.

The long short of it is this; I had those 3 players as my focus of attention, and I felt that their actions, could rapidly shift where I place them in the ranking that I had them.

 

I was stating that My town read on heavy was based solely on his posting style, which at the time was what the others would call "emo", and of little substance to the actual game.

My "town read" on heavy could (and has) rapidly change based on his interactions with others, his word choices, and how he's approached the actual game, rather than the non-game elements that were getting in the way of others wanting to lynch him for the same reason they wanted to lynch GK.

 

DPR was on that asterisk list because, I believe at the time I posted that list, he kept prying everyone for their "lists" and "reads", but hadn't actually bothered to give anyone his. So IMO, depending on when he got around to posting his "shit take", that could easily push him further away from town or closer to town. 

 

Peace was my "Neutral" because there were things they said that didn't make sense, but I also don't feel sussing me automatically makes you "scum".

 

I felt that those 3 players town/scum positions could rapidly change based on their actions, so not only could those positions rapidly move in my mind, those were players I was keeping an eye on.

 

Note:

Later that day I didn't really move DPR anywhere, but I pushed Ed, Teph, and Turin further down my list. 

On 5/16/2025 at 10:52 AM, SinisterDeath said:

Most town to least town

HeavyHalfMoonBlade

dicetosser1

Tigraine

Tephulis

peacesells

ed2funny

Darthe

DPR

Gabriel Kross

Turin Turambar

Black bold = moved down 

Green bold = moved up

Blue = neutral - counter train.

 

Anyways, I was clearly wrong about GK being at the bottom of my first two lists. Half of that is literally based on his hounding me over what I felt was non-sense. At least DPRs, Dice, and Darthe's hounding questions make sense to me.

Turin's hounding just comes off as Charlie from It's Always Sunny, and at this point I still don't know if that's scum Turin or Town Turin.

 

I'm also at a complete loss over Eds slanky slankiness. 

*Pulls a card*

Damn it to hell.

I pulled the Dragon Card.

It makes sense, Ed2Funny is actually Themberchaud, the Slankiest Dragon ever.

 

Anyways, I'm gonn go back through Night phase, and D2, and see if I can pick up on anything interesting. 

[ed2funy]

46 minutes ago, DPR said:

I’ve been here all day, y’all can take over the night shift. Hopefully you make more progress than I did lol

Wait @DPR COME BACK

[ed2funy]

Okay, we need to lynch mafia today, but it’s not necessarily lylo if we mislynch. 
Not if I shoot the right person.  
 

wondering if we even have a doc or if they really just tried to use last game as an indication for how this game would go. Bad move. And no, I’m not trying to get the doc to out themselves. What I want is them to do better. But then again, I also need to do better. Sorry I shot Teph. Really thought I was onto something, especially with Peace sussing them so hard. 
 

okay, now we have more to work off of. Let’s goooo 

[ed2funy]

@SinisterDeath are you calling me a fat dragon?

[dicetosser1]

[dicetosser1]

15 minutes ago, ed2funy said:

Sorry not sorry but we don’t have time for light hearted Ed. But imma still make lil jokey jokes. 
 

So did you know or not that it was a mafia list based on the context of the post?

 

i figured it was but i wanted you to commit to it. That way i know im reading right and you dont get any takebacks

[ed2funy]

Just now, dicetosser1 said:

 

i figured it was but i wanted you to commit to it. That way i know im reading right and you dont get any takebacks

I don’t do takebacks. I give. Full throttle. 

[DPR]

7 minutes ago, ed2funy said:

Okay, we need to lynch mafia today, but it’s not necessarily lylo if we mislynch. 
Not if I shoot the right person.  
 

wondering if we even have a doc or if they really just tried to use last game as an indication for how this game would go. Bad move. And no, I’m not trying to get the doc to out themselves. What I want is them to do better. But then again, I also need to do better. Sorry I shot Teph. Really thought I was onto something, especially with Peace sussing them so hard. 
 

okay, now we have more to work off of. Let’s goooo 

Okay, now we have something! 
 

If the Doc is out there, please DO NOT reveal 

 

[keyholder21]

Official Vote Count

 

Darthe (2) - DPR, Heavy

SD (1) - Dice

DPR (1) - Turin

Heavy (1) - Darthe

 

Not Voting (3): Tig, Eddie, SD

 

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

 

Day 2 Deadline

[ed2funy]

10 hours ago, DPR said:

@Darthe We’re at MyLo and that’s only if the Vig was 1x. 
 

I was waiting to see who was gonna bring that up 
 

Last night’s Doc skip and Vig yolo did as much damage as Gabe’s emo explosion
 

Town now has to lynch Mafia 3 days in a row to win

 

Game has 3 Mafia as per the setup

 

DL is tomorrow afternoon

 

37 minutes ago, DPR said:

Okay, now we have something! 
 

If the Doc is out there, please DO NOT reveal 

 

I don’t like these disparate reactions 

[Turin Turambar]

4 hours ago, DPR said:

Okay, now we have something! 
 

If the Doc is out there, please DO NOT reveal 

 

I would say further that if it is allowed, that the doc (presuming one exists, which I'm not currently sure of) protects themselves. Their security is probably the most important mechanism left in the game.

 

Ed, why did you wait to reveal you shot Tephulis? We could be several hours ahead in conversation if you had said so earlier. 

[DPR]

@ed2funy Will you give us the details of your role? You’ve implied Vig - do you have a nightly kill or is it limited shots? 

[Turin Turambar]

Well I just woke up from my nap and I have some thoughts. Beware because there is some setup info And speculation here... spoilered because I talk.

Spoiler

First this is the OP. It contains the setup info.

On 5/13/2025 at 4:00 PM, keyholder21 said:

Semi- Open set up:

 

Town will consist of 8 players and will have 2-5 power roles.  Those without power roles will be vanilla campers.

Mafia will consist of 3 players  and will have 1-2 power roles. Those without power roles will be mafia goons.

A note to start, my understanding was there was originally supposed to be 12 players with 9 townies. One was lost so I am guessing some balance alterations had to be made. There are 3 mafia with 1 or 2 prs. There was a cop so it's possible (maybe even likely) there was a Godfather. This is good news because that role is now wasted and mafia may not have any other roles. Ed has claimed vig so that would be 2 town roles if he is telling the truth. My understandingof role balance has vig as neutral,  possibly slightly better for mafia (Darthe and DPR have modded that i know of so correct me if im wrong), so adding a vig doesn't solve the balance issue. Maybe a mafia role got removed/nerfed. I guess we will see tonight if there are any surprises. I have a town role ( not doc, not LD lol), so that makes 3 for town (again assuming Ed is truly vig). I think a doc or some similar role is likely here even if it might not fit thematically. I'm really only including this because it colours my thought process so I hope it helps you understand my perspective. 

Anyway I have suspicions on everyone but some are more tinfoil than anything. 

@ed2funy: (claimed vig) I would feel better about him if he had shot SD because that would have been better info wise. I saw him say he followed Peace on his shot. I want to see Eds take on both of those players. Also not a fan of his EoD1. 

@Darthe: I really don't like him jumping out to in his words hijack the game. His stating that he was 90% on SD with a little Ed sus only to nearly immediately go squirrel on Heavy sketches me the fluff out. Also his shushing my back and forth with DPR today was a bit odd. 

@HeavyHalfMoonBlade: I've been mostly leaning town here but there are occasional things that have struck me weird. I think there were some SD defense that seemed odd and his sitting on the sidelines at EoD was striking. i neee to look at his reads more.

@Tigraine: not as present as I would like. I understand there is a lot of RL going on for her right now so I'm trying to work past it. I don't understand the viewpoint that saying you are town is not town. I mean everybody's town here right? I can see not giving cred for it but citing it as a negative I don't follow. Her EoD was somewhat concerning as well. It felt like she was never gonna vote anyone other than Peace but just held off for some reason. I dunno, why though?? 

@dicetosser1: I don't like overly grumpy Dice. It feels like a smokescreen. There was a point at EoD he flat out said he wasnt voting SD and now today he is firmly convinced that SD is mafia. Feels like a bus situation. It is worse for me because he has tried to link me with SD and intends to vote me tomorrow on a SD flip. I fully expect at some point today he will flip his vote to me if there is any chance to get me lynched even though he has no real case. He admitted as much at EoD and his attempt to link me to SD is flimsy as fluff.

@SinisterDeath: I've said quite a bit already. The lack of real commitment to any take. His TMI defense of DPR (regardless of DPRs alignmealignment is more so.im not gonna rehash all of it here.

@DPR: He didn't have SD as town all day. In fact he had him 1 spot out of his mafia group which is a common place for mafia to.place a teammate so they can sus some but not have to vote. He has constantly asked people to define their case on SD but wasn't willing to do the same for Peace saying things like "I've been clear". To me it is likely he is afraid he will contradict himself again. He has also been doing the "negging" thing that I associate with strong rep players when they role mafia. Tom was the one I remember it most from. Putting themselves above the fray. Calling play bad or dumb or garbage. If my take is bad then I think people will figure it out on their own. Thus last thing I just thought of during my nap (where I again dreamed of lunching large wolves). He has changes his arguments of why he had SD town more than once trying to find something that will resonate. He is changing because he doesn't really believe it himself. It's the same reason he contradicted himself when sussing me in the same sentence was both mafia and bad town. The nastiness was also apparent in his posts from beginning of today. That nastiness he said he uses as mafia.

 

Anyway  this is too long by half so sorry.

 

Right now I'm convinced that SD and DPR are mafia. My current thought is Dice is the third but don't really trust anyone right now. The fact nothing happened while I typed this thing is frankly alarming to me.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

10 hours ago, SinisterDeath said:

I'll explain it again.

The long short of it is this; I had those 3 players as my focus of attention, and I felt that their actions, could rapidly shift where I place them in the ranking that I had them.

 

I was stating that My town read on heavy was based solely on his posting style, which at the time was what the others would call "emo", and of little substance to the actual game.

My "town read" on heavy could (and has) rapidly change based on his interactions with others, his word choices, and how he's approached the actual game, rather than the non-game elements that were getting in the way of others wanting to lynch him for the same reason they wanted to lynch GK.

 

DPR was on that asterisk list because, I believe at the time I posted that list, he kept prying everyone for their "lists" and "reads", but hadn't actually bothered to give anyone his. So IMO, depending on when he got around to posting his "shit take", that could easily push him further away from town or closer to town. 

 

Peace was my "Neutral" because there were things they said that didn't make sense, but I also don't feel sussing me automatically makes you "scum".

 

I felt that those 3 players town/scum positions could rapidly change based on their actions, so not only could those positions rapidly move in my mind, those were players I was keeping an eye on.

Thanks for the explanation. It is, however, still weird. I mean, you can make your lists however you want but it seems strange that if your Town lean for me, for example, was so thin that you would not rate me as null. While I get that you can have highlighted players to look at, but it is still suspicious that you are breadcrumbing possible massive changes. Given how many people are linking you with DPR this is doubly suspicious; surely you can see how having a premade excuse to move a teammate from total sus to lock clear is kind of handy? Some people say having null reads on people is something wolves often do with teammates as they don't want to incriminate them or be associated with them, but having a strong mafia read that could at any point switch to a strong town read when convenient surely is even more suspicious - even if you are just being honest about your thoughts.

 

But it is just WIFOM again. It makes you look suspicious, so a wolf wouldn't do that, but if town you thinks it isn't suspicious then presumably so would wolf you think it wasn't suspicious. Or you know it is suspicious so you are playing TWTBAW. Who knows? But regardless, it is sus.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

Also I have been thinking about this - but why has Ed claimed when we don't know if there is a doc or a strongman or a roleblocker or anything like that and he says he has shots left? I cannot quite see the angle where it helps town to know who shot Teph. Could someone explain this to me? I really have drawn a blank.

[DPR]

@Turin Turambar in regard to your past couple of posts: 

 

If there is a Doc, the point of them not revealing is so they can protect someone else - not themselves.

 

In this case, it would be ed, so that he can live.
 

But there are problems…

 

We are at MyLo unless the Vig has more shots. In that case, even if we mislynch, we still move to night. But the Vig has to holster or hit mafia for us to move to day. And the Vig is working from the same pool of info we are, lol. That didn’t work out so great last night…

 

So we need a town core to narrow the choices, hopefully lynch a wolf and maybe even Vig another one at some point.
 

I made the 1x Vig comment to Darthe because I wanted to see his reaction. He didn’t react, and that troubles me. 
 

He did go on to say who he’d be willing to vote for today and “probably tomorrow”, which is odd given that he was responding to my post about today maybe being MyLo. Why would he say “tomorrow” - hence I asked him how distracted he was. 
 

His play yesterday made me think he might be the Vig and I hoped he was hinting at that. But…

 

ed claimed the Vig role instead. 
 

Common sense tells us there is no point in one of them making a claim that could be easily cc’d (unless they are just yolo’ing for lulz at this point…) 

 

So, in a game where town is pretty much FECKED, I’m inclined to believe ed (unless he is cc’d lol) and I’m gonna blank sheet this entire game and try to build a core. 

ed claimed a Town role

 

And now you have claimed a Town role 

 

I also have a Town role. 

 

Given your spec on how stacked the mafia might be, if you, me and ed are telling the truth, that makes 4 Town pr’s - so I’m guessing Mafia have more as well. 
 

I’m interested in your thoughts over all of this 

 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

12 hours ago, Darthe said:

I don’t mean this to sound cocky but im probably one of the most well known players on this forum.  I say that to say that if I speak about my own meta here and I lie, others would call me on it instantly.

 

With that said, you can know it’s true when I say I’m a passionate player as either alignment and (short of ethical issues) I’ve been at L-1, win or lose scenarios a hundred times and been as calculated as ever.  This ain’t losing my cool, this is WIM.  You screwed up, all I gotta do now is get the others to see it.

OK, let's not argue about whether your tone is out of your normal range. I am obviously working on a very small subset of your games.

 

But this does not explain why you have squirreled on me and responded with such frustration and desperation when I pointed out that there seemed to be a slimy connection between you and Turin. It doesn't explain why you went from being 90% certain you weren't voting for me to throwing an OMGUS vote at me. It doesn't explain why when explaining to DPR that you didn't hold Turin's case making against him (though obviously if you are calling the DPR/Turin spat T/T you aren't agreeing with it either) that you throw in "Heavy is constantly wrong" or why you think I'm only believable as town as a bad player. Saying things with precision and confidence is what you are accusing me of, yet seem very unconcerned about what I am saying with precision and confidence. 

 

Finally, you also seem to be completely ignoring that I have a meta as well - every game I have been hit by accusations of "inconsistent tone", of making observations that are too astute, of playing like a noob and a pro interchangeably. In the first game, Zander tried to eliminate me as he believed I was lying about it being my first game. Yet your case relies entirely on me being a noob who does not know how to play, ignoring that there are enough players in the game that know that this is not true. Or at least, it isn't the whole story.

 

My "case" on you was minimal and sketchy, largely based on a feeling I could not shake that you and Turin were working together in an underhand way. You just seemed to keep doing this so I voted, and we get this way over the top reaction. DPR voted for you and you are calmly discussing the game with him, whereas with me you seem to have completely upset the apple cart of what your gameplan was, and you sound really really annoyed. 

 

I don't have explanation for this, and your case on me is thinner than threadbare. "Kill him, he sounds too good for a noob" hardly great reasoning to undertake an action that will almost certainly lose town the game.

[DPR]

15 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Also I have been thinking about this - but why has Ed claimed when we don't know if there is a doc or a strongman or a roleblocker or anything like that and he says he has shots left? I cannot quite see the angle where it helps town to know who shot Teph. Could someone explain this to me? I really have drawn a blank.

It helps because we’re at MyLo and we’re bogged down in the weeds, getting nowhere. 
 

If we can build a town core that shrinks the pool of possible wolves, that’s a huge help. 
 

So far we’ve got:

 

ed as uncountered Vig

Turin with role x

Me with role x

 

We’re gonna have to get into details, but if we take 3 out of a pool of 8, that greatly increases our chances of lynching a wolf 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

11 hours ago, Tigraine said:

@HeavyHalfMoonBlade your post quoting mine which talked about attempting to quote on mobile, i dont understand what youre saying.  Idk that its relerelevant any scum hunting but I want to clear it up all the same.

Lol. Sure.

 

Here, the square with the plus symbol is the multiquote button. Tap that and DM will save the quote. You can go on and select other posts, and then when you have all the posts, you can tap on the Quote Now button in the bottom right (or whatever that button is called).

 

To directly quote the post, tap on the word Quote, and that will take you straight to the text box with the post quoted.

 

To quote nested quotes, highlight everything you want to quote and then tap the Quote Selection bubble that pops up under the selected text.

 

I hope that has cleared it up what I was saying for you.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

3 minutes ago, DPR said:

It helps because we’re at MyLo and we’re bogged down in the weeds, getting nowhere. 
 

If we can build a town core that shrinks the pool of possible wolves, that’s a huge help. 
 

So far we’ve got:

 

ed as uncountered Vig

Turin with role x

Me with role x

 

We’re gonna have to get into details, but if we take 3 out of a pool of 8, that greatly increases our chances of lynching a wolf 

But wait, we get taken out of the pool by saying we have a town role? Doesn't that seem a little easy?

 

I mean, I get we are desperate, but what stops a wolf catching heat claiming to clear the train building on them? If the Vig shoots true tonight that could save the game... but I guess I can see what you are saying - last game I think has just scarred me in regards to claims.

[DPR]

I’ll throw out some observations about possible Mafia existing outside of the core - nothing personal here, just how things are: 

 

Tigs did another flyby last night, casing only two people and then ghosting

 

dice has offered very little game content

 

Darthe showed up after being voted for, which is null for him. He engaged a good bit, which is null for him. He said he was locking in to beast mode, which is null for him. Imo, he hasn’t said anything that moved the game forward 
 

SD has been 90% spam and what little game related content there has been has not, imo, moved the game forward

 

Heavy started as emo and then did a 180 to provide game-related observations 

 

That’s as flat as I know how to be. It is what it is

[DPR]

10 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

But wait, we get taken out of the pool by saying we have a town role? Doesn't that seem a little easy?

 

I mean, I get we are desperate, but what stops a wolf catching heat claiming to clear the train building on them? If the Vig shoots true tonight that could save the game... but I guess I can see what you are saying - last game I think has just scarred me in regards to claims.

 
Nobody is cleared until they die or we win. 
 

But for lack of a better plan, we gotta try  something over the next few hours

 

The devil will be in the details of the roles Turin and I have claimed. I really want to hear his thoughts on revealing, but I will out regardless. Just want to see what he says without that knowledge first

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

4 minutes ago, DPR said:

 
Nobody is cleared until they die or we win. 
 

But for lack of a better plan, we gotta try  something over the next few hours

 

The devil will be in the details of the roles Turin and I have claimed. I really want to hear his thoughts on revealing, but I will out regardless. Just want to see what he says without that knowledge first

It is just going to be another orgy of WIFOM, isn't it? At least Turin will be happy trying to make sense of the set-up, lol.

[DPR]

Just now, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

It is just going to be another orgy of WIFOM, isn't it? At least Turin will be happy trying to make sense of the set-up, lol.

Jury is out on the idea of WIFOM, but DL is in 8 hours, so at some point we’re gonna have to take a chance. 
 

Other than a situation where someone cc’s ed, I’m just gonna role with him as Vig, If someone does cc him, our pool is narrowed to 2, which ain’t bad

 

And I know that I can prove my role

 

That leaves Turin.