90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Nynaeve]

@Ironeyes any last thoughts to share?

[Ironeyes]

Not much. My eyes kind of glaze over with all these posts of lots of quotes. You'd think I'd be better at reading complex documents after 3 years of law school but all I've gotten good at is identifying filler and skipping it (don't tell my professors).

 

Dice's frustration is very familiar. I know it's been years but I remember this. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

I don't think Darthe will bring the deadline forward.

 

I'm watching a very weird movie about people who have babies using pods.

[Ironeyes]

Just now, Ithillian Turambar said:

I don't think Darthe will bring the deadline forward.

 

I'm watching a very weird movie about people who have babies using pods.

There are only two night actions left though, the kill and the peek. And we know the GF is the last scum so the peek is completely useless. I figured people would have their actions in like ten minutes after night fell.

 

I'm watching a travelogue of a guy who decided to travel the Thames from its source to the ocean without leaving the water. He started by wading through mud and has progressed to kayaking through London.

[Nynaeve]

10 minutes ago, Ironeyes said:

Not much. My eyes kind of glaze over with all these posts of lots of quotes. You'd think I'd be better at reading complex documents after 3 years of law school but all I've gotten good at is identifying filler and skipping it (don't tell my professors).

 

Dice's frustration is very familiar. I know it's been years but I remember this. 

 

Could be frustrated cause he got made d1....  do you think it's indication of alignment somehow?

[Ironeyes]

The two scenarios I'm deciding between: 

1, Dice is mafia and Ithi is the cop. Dice claimed cop early to secure a mislynch, delay his death, and possibly out the real cop as a bonus. Ithi played it close to the vest. This explains why the strongman wasn't used on Dice immediately and why Dice claimed to be roleblocked constantly. What it doesn't explain is what the roleblocker was really doing the entire time, unless she holstered to keep up appearances. Seems like a waste of role potential. 

2, Ithi is mafia and Dice is the cop. Ithi successfully got herself town read by everyone quickly. Heading into D4, the writing was on the wall for Key and she decided to pull a Kivam-esque gambit to profit from the likely lynch using her deepwolf status. This doesn't explain why Dice was left alive N1 and N3 when the doc couldn't for sure save him. The best explanation is that his claim was in doubt and for some reason Verbal was more dangerous. I think I need to go back and find Verb's most recent reads on Ithi and Dice. 

[Nynaeve]

10 minutes ago, Ironeyes said:

There are only two night actions left though, the kill and the peek. And we know the GF is the last scum so the peek is completely useless. I figured people would have their actions in like ten minutes after night fell.

 

I'm watching a travelogue of a guy who decided to travel the Thames from its source to the ocean without leaving the water. He started by wading through mud and has progressed to kayaking through London.

 

Deciding which of us to kill could be tricky lol  though it shouldn't be, really

[Ironeyes]

Just now, Nynaeve said:

 

Could be frustrated cause he got made d1....  do you think it's indication of alignment somehow?

I think it's either town frustration that he's so close to winning but you and I immediately trusted Ithi, or fake frustration to cast just enough doubt on Ithi that one of us wavers. I don't think it has much to do with the rest of the game. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

He does get very frustrated it's true. There's not an awful lot I can do here apart from point out that Dice's whole idea is that I made a plan that depended on me knowing that he would say he definitely wouldn't vote Ed. That he would be unhappy when the Ed 1st train went too fast. That he would be there to make sure people unvoted Ed and even try to stop people from voting Ed after he made a mistake.

 

That I would know that all he would do all game is constantly ask people to tell him if they believed his claim and remind people how no one ever believes him.

 

That I would know he'd never have any real cases on people and would just vote people for no real reasons. I did look back and he was on the lynch of every person apart from Tig.

 

The only time he's given a reason near a vote is when he said he would keep his vote on Heavy for being emo and losing his wim.

 

And that I would also know that he would not give correct information about what was on Ed's read list.

 

If I can do all that then I really should buy a lottery ticket.

 

I think what actually went down was that Dice claimed because he wanted to avoid being lynched. That he expected to be CCd, or that they'd find the real doc with their random Nights kills and he'd be Lynched, but he'd be able to hang on a bit longer.

 

So he didn't really expect to have to do much.

 

Then Ed got lynched and it all got a bit more tricky.

 

 

[Nynaeve]

2 minutes ago, Ironeyes said:

The two scenarios I'm deciding between: 

1, Dice is mafia and Ithi is the cop. Dice claimed cop early to secure a mislynch, delay his death, and possibly out the real cop as a bonus. Ithi played it close to the vest. This explains why the strongman wasn't used on Dice immediately and why Dice claimed to be roleblocked constantly. What it doesn't explain is what the roleblocker was really doing the entire time, unless she holstered to keep up appearances. Seems like a waste of role potential. 

2, Ithi is mafia and Dice is the cop. Ithi successfully got herself town read by everyone quickly. Heading into D4, the writing was on the wall for Key and she decided to pull a Kivam-esque gambit to profit from the likely lynch using her deepwolf status. This doesn't explain why Dice was left alive N1 and N3 when the doc couldn't for sure save him. The best explanation is that his claim was in doubt and for some reason Verbal was more dangerous. I think I need to go back and find Verb's most recent reads on Ithi and Dice. 

 

We don't know that the roleblocker didnt use her N/A. Just that they didnt hit true if Ithi is being truthful. Maybe they thought the cop was in verb, you or me. Frankly ithi didn't cross my mind.

 

DPR thought verb was somehow transmitting cop vibes. Maybe he was roleblocked.

[Ironeyes]

So here's where Verb started. He was WTL both Ithi and Dice. 

Spoiler

On 4/24/2025 at 6:20 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

I would guess Ithi from the ones on that train.  I had some back and forth sus with her this game.

 

Ironically, my D1 WTL was Dice and DPR.........both now claimed town PRs.

 

I think lolverbal might be in attendance.....

 

On 4/21/2025 at 7:54 PM, Verbal32 said:

In case I don't live to see the morning, here's where I'm at after this flip.  Wagonomics states that Rand is most likely town.  If scum and Dice is town, then Rand would just state internet lag or something and boom - cop is dead.  That he moved means most likely town.  He currently stands alone.

 

Town

Rand

 

Next is the town lean group.  I gave some thoughts on these before - nothing has really changed yet.

 

Town Lean

Nyn

Key

Lenlo

 

Next is the "who the eff knows" group.  I just don't have enough to read yet (for me).  I know Turin has plenty of content, but he spent too much time D1 defending everything said to Ithi that it muddies the read a bit.  I'm confused on Heavy.  Marsh had him scum, but I was leaning the other way.  I'll meet Marsh in the middle and place Heavy here for now.  Ed and Tigs I don't have a read on.

 

Null

Turin

Heavy

Ed

Tigs

 

Now my WTL group.  I had already put DPR and Dice in my scum leans, and Ithi joins them with her bad take on Marsh only being able to be scum.  Not allowing for incorrect assumptions is not townie behavior.  And I did say I'm killing everybody on Marsh's lynch train.

 

WTL

Ithi

DPR

Dice

 

On 4/21/2025 at 7:57 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

The exception here is Key - she's last as I did have her as a town lean prior to all this.  And the way a scum lean in Dice treated her makes me think they have the potential to be teammates, but only if Dice is scum.

 

That made sense in my head, not sure.

 

 

 

Dice gets left in WTL because of GF potential.  If true, the real Cop needs to consider all angles, and maybe grab a red peek before countering so we get a 2fer in the deal.  Maybe.

 

 

Much more recently though he had Ithi as WTL and Dice off the table. 

On 4/28/2025 at 9:06 AM, Verbal32 said:

For the record:

 

Dice

DPR

 - un-cc'd town roles (but both on Marsh1's lynch)

 

 

Nyn (deepwolf tinfoil)

Zander

Heavy

Key (town read, but on Marsh1's lynch)

 - town reads

 

 

 

Marsh2

 - Turin was all over me and never bought me dinner, so this is sort of a null slot for me

 

 

 

Tig

Ithi

 - my POE (Ithi from Marsh1 lynch and Tigs due to just math)

 

[Ithillian Turambar]

On 4/22/2025 at 3:02 AM, Darthe said:

Final Vote Count (Day One)

 

Marsh (5/7): Ithi, Wes, Key, Dice, Rand

Dice (3/7): Nyn, Turin, Marsh

Heavy (1/7): Lenlo

Wes (1/7): Heavy

 

Not Voting: Verb, Ed, Tig

 

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

count down to hammer time

 

On 4/25/2025 at 1:34 AM, Darthe said:

Official Vote Count

 

DPR (1/7): Heavy

Ed (7/7): Nyn, Key, Rand, Zander, Ithi, Dice, Verb

Rand: (2/7): Turin, Ed

 

Not Voting: DPR, Verb, Tig

 

That's a hammer!  Scene incoming.

 

On 4/28/2025 at 11:26 PM, Darthe said:

Final Vote Count

Heavy - (6/6) Dice, Nyn, Zander, Marsh, DPR, Ithi

Key - (1/6) Heavy

Not Voting
Verb, Key, Tig

That’s a lynch!

 

On 5/1/2025 at 6:44 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Official Vote Count

Tigs (5/5):  Verb, Ithi, Key, Nyn, Tig

Key (1/5): Dice

 

Not Voting
DPR, Marsh

 

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Countdown to EOD.

 

He's at the tail end of all the lynches apart from Tigs. I think that's because Nyn had started to have suspicions and Key and so he moved to be with Nyn and distance himself from Key.

 

I remember seeing this and wondering why he felt the need to call himself TownDice.

On 4/22/2025 at 1:52 PM, dicetosser1 said:

a) TownDice already thinks he is scummy

b) not moving to secure a lynch at eod but going to a place that isn’t going to do that is scummy. 
c) moving straight to marsh doesnt say a thing about whether he’s town or scum. It’s pure consolidation. Same as marsh voting me to save himself said nothing about his alignment

 

so yeah I think his vote change was scummy and I think he’s scum

 

This is his only reason for voting Heavy. He did actually vote first for Heavy and said he wouldnt remove the vote. No mention of him thinking Heavy is Mafia at all. 

On 4/26/2025 at 2:10 PM, dicetosser1 said:

that’s it? 

 

 

 

all right you wanna know what to fight? This is gonna be blunt, you probably won’t like it but I think maybe you need to hear it

 

fight the fact that you are not clear in your posts.
Fight the fact that every time you go emo on us, especially after getting a bit clearer as you did a little while ago, you lose any traction you gained by being clear.

 

then fight for your reads in a way people can understand and follow and that doesn’t just make them throw their hands in the air and give up.

 

and don’t YOU throw your hands up in the air and give up. If you give up why should we be bothered with you?

 

and here’s a hint.  There are people who will policy lynch you as soon as you self vote. People who think it’s against the spirit of the game.

 

right now my vote stays because I have no reason NOT to vote you due to the stuff I’ve mentioned here.

 

 

 

[Ironeyes]

3 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

He does get very frustrated it's true. There's not an awful lot I can do here apart from point out that Dice's whole idea is that I made a plan that depended on me knowing that he would say he definitely wouldn't vote Ed. That he would be unhappy when the Ed 1st train went too fast. That he would be there to make sure people unvoted Ed and even try to stop people from voting Ed after he made a mistake.

 

That I would know that all he would do all game is constantly ask people to tell him if they believed his claim and remind people how no one ever believes him.

 

That I would know he'd never have any real cases on people and would just vote people for no real reasons. I did look back and he was on the lynch of every person apart from Tig.

 

The only time he's given a reason near a vote is when he said he would keep his vote on Heavy for being emo and losing his wim.

 

And that I would also know that he would not give correct information about what was on Ed's read list.

 

If I can do all that then I really should buy a lottery ticket.

 

I think what actually went down was that Dice claimed because he wanted to avoid being lynched. That he expected to be CCd, or that they'd find the real doc with their random Nights kills and he'd be Lynched, but he'd be able to hang on a bit longer.

 

So he didn't really expect to have to do much.

 

Then Ed got lynched and it all got a bit more tricky.

 

 

Just to be devil's advocate, is it not plausible that the cop counterclaim plan was a recent idea? In my scenario above, it becomes possible for you to pull of the gambit Dice accuses you of because 1) you had achieved a strong town status and 2) Key was doomed.

 

2 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

 

We don't know that the roleblocker didnt use her N/A. Just that they didnt hit true if Ithi is being truthful. Maybe they thought the cop was in verb, you or me. Frankly ithi didn't cross my mind.

 

DPR thought verb was somehow transmitting cop vibes. Maybe he was roleblocked.

Verb, I could see. He was unnervingly accurate about all the mislynches being town, to the point that I nearly tinfoiled on him for it. You, possibly as well. No way they thought I was cop though. I claimed vanilla immediately upon taking over Turin's slot and I don't see why my gameplay would convince the mafia otherwise. 

[Ironeyes]

Sorry to be constantly devil's advocate-ing you Nyn. I hope you can see my thought process here.

[Ironeyes]

I just don't want to form a final opinion until I know if I'm alive in the morning.

[Nynaeve]

1 minute ago, Ironeyes said:

Just to be devil's advocate, is it not plausible that the cop counterclaim plan was a recent idea? In my scenario above, it becomes possible for you to pull of the gambit Dice accuses you of because 1) you had achieved a strong town status and 2) Key was doomed.

 

Verb, I could see. He was unnervingly accurate about all the mislynches being town, to the point that I nearly tinfoiled on him for it. You, possibly as well. No way they thought I was cop though. I claimed vanilla immediately upon taking over Turin's slot and I don't see why my gameplay would convince the mafia otherwise. 

 

You claimed vt?

Must have missed it

 

Lol why??

[Ironeyes]

Just now, Nynaeve said:

 

You claimed vt?

Must have missed it

 

Lol why??

Yeah right when I subbed in I made a joke about wanting to sub as a different role from my original one (VT) but getting the same one again. DPR sarcastically commented on it but I don't think anyone else cared. 

Reason being that Turin had been getting some mentions as a possible 3p, and I don't trust myself to navigate power role shenanigans with my game skills this rusty. So I planted a flag that I was vanilla or lying. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

Here is me trying to tell you that I'm the cop without making it super obvious

 

On 4/22/2025 at 8:47 AM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Well that's not true. Dice could be claiming Cop to stay alive and draw the mafia attention. Don't forget the mafia have a 1x Strongman kill that will go straight through the doc. Better to have a Vanilla be dead than the actual Cop.

 

We probably should all just claim Cop.

 

On 4/22/2025 at 8:54 AM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Town can and should do whatever is necessary to stay alive and win.

 

On 4/22/2025 at 9:06 AM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Only if the real Cop is a dumb who instantly goes oi! No I'm the Cop.

 

It's a much better look to fight and stay alive than all this blah blah blah kill me anyways I'm just a Vanilla woe is me stuff.

 

And I think a Mafia would be all omg I'm so worried. I can't possibly false claim the cop. So Dice is good with me now, Cop or no Cop.

 

On 4/22/2025 at 2:58 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

I better not be the target or I'm gonna be so annoyed

 

On 4/22/2025 at 10:28 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Also, it is Night ...

 

On 4/22/2025 at 10:38 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

If I had a gun I would shoot you myself because you have been doing the most busy night time stuff there is.

 

I've also been saying that I can't TELL who the 3rd person is yet. That the 3rd person was a mystery. This was when there were still 2 mafia and a roleblocker out there.

 

He'll I even read Heavy his Miranda rights

 

On 4/28/2025 at 10:19 AM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Morning. I have a busy day but I'm happy to provide answers.

 

Heavy. You are right that sometimes you can be a bit dramatic, but the first few posts from you were very uncanny valley Heavy. They did not feel like real Heavy to me. They were really over worked and crafted and to me that felt like you were trying too hard because you had something to hide.

 

You say that no one voted for you on Day 1 but I absolutely did and you exploded.

I did change to Marsh, because I could not understand why he would defend this, and he later clarifies that actually he thought you were Mafia. He didn't mind that people found his initial action suspicious, put he had a plan to see who would easily go along with my belief about him. I thought the idea of a plan was daft, and he was trying to cover why he was defending you. Because people lie in this game. I changed and picked the other door... which was wrong because Marsh was town. I should have just stuck with my first thoughts.

 

And you absolutely would have told people to not vote for Marsh if you were Mafia. That would give you some Town cred.

 

You don't get to decide when people start to actively engage in this game. It had a shorter D1 than usual. I didn't want to leave it all to a scramble at end of Day. You don't get to decide what people deem to be alignment indicative or not. Anything you say or do can give information to players to help them decide if they think you are Town or Mafia... or apparently 3rd party. I did not have you as the possible 3rd Party, but maybe?

 

I think the only think you do that may be non alignment indicative is attack people who suspect you. I voted you day 1. Ithi is a mean wolf. I switch to Marsh ... Dpr is a mean wolf who voted to Marsh because Marsh was just protecting me.

 

Yesterday you were all, oh I think you did really well to help get Ed at the end of day 2. Today I vote you and ithi is a wolf.

 

I've not been able to shake my 1st impressions of you and nothing you have done in the game since has shown me that you are trying to find Mafia. You've just been regurgitating the old Omg DPR killed Marsh. You even voted for him after he claimed Town Hider.

 

Do you believe the current role claims from Dice and DPR?

 

Given that you were previously unhappy that Turin voted for someone else, when there were already competing trains, what is your justification for doing the same thing at this time?

 

I'm gonna do a separate post for Tig cos I don't want to make Zander cry. But I have to get the majority of my work done first before I can spare a bit more time on this. I'll be fully available after 4pm my time.

 

Also props for not just lying down and dying and doing the whole this game sucks routine again, but I still think you have randed your first game as non Town 

 

I'm gonna switch it up and ask you to give me your top 2 Town, excluding the people who have claimed roles, so far in this game please?

 

[Nynaeve]

1 minute ago, Ironeyes said:

Sorry to be constantly devil's advocate-ing you Nyn. I hope you can see my thought process here.

 

I'm looking at the whole game.

Key looked good for a long while deepwolfing. She was made.

 

I don't have a lot of experience with ithi. I do with dice. He looked off to me before his claim. Still looked bad after. Can't shake it. He spent most of the time questioning people disbelievong him. Didn't scumhunt much if at all.

 

Dice did a hail merry so as not to get lynched d1. But then the counterclaim never came.

 

Key spent an awful lot of energy to try to assert his claim. Poking subtly at him occassionly but always coming back to him being untouchable while cced. Still she made it clear that she believed him.

 

I also recall somone, probably dice, claiming that the person who claims a pr first is more to believed than the person who counterclaims. Which is bull. Plus implies he figured he would be cced later on.

 

Why didn't ed cc him? Why claim doc? Maybe cause dice is not actually cop and they knew the real cop is out there. Sc um obviously didn't shy away from claiming prs.

 

Bottom line... i rather lose to ithi than dice. Dice didn't play well this game.

[Ironeyes]

2 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Here is me trying to tell you that I'm the cop without making it super obvious

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've also been saying that I can't TELL who the 3rd person is yet. That the 3rd person was a mystery. This was when there were still 2 mafia and a roleblocker out there.

 

He'll I even read Heavy his Miranda rights

 

 

TY for the receipts 

 

Fun fact, the Miranda warning comes from a US Supreme Court case named Miranda v. Arizona. So it's a bit of home town precedent for us here, flawed as the case may be. And it is flawed, but heaven knows the Miranda warning is so entrenched in global culture now that it will never go away. 

[Nynaeve]

It's a shame rand didnt breadcrumb somehow who he protected n1. Because if it was me? Yeah, dice is full of it. Lol

[Ithillian Turambar]

And here is the weird way he gave his first read. I think he pretended to be roleblocked so he wouldn't accidentally give a town read on the 3rd party.

 

On 4/23/2025 at 2:45 AM, dicetosser1 said:

 

Then you get to die as scum.

 

 

 

Already taken. 

 

 

 

 

Surprise Surprise I go no result.

 

Should I share who i viewed?

 

On 4/23/2025 at 3:04 AM, DPR said:

And what do you mean by “no result” ?

 

On 4/23/2025 at 3:12 AM, DPR said:

@dicetosser1 we’ll need all the details 

 

On 4/23/2025 at 3:16 AM, dicetosser1 said:

@RandA lThor  go edit the swear word out of your post please. Dont change anything else.

 

hint it sounds like pity

 

@DPR let me check im not gonna get modkilled. I doubt i would but wanna make sure

 

 

I checked Verb

 

On 4/23/2025 at 3:18 AM, DPR said:

And your result was “no result”? 

 

On 4/23/2025 at 3:24 AM, dicetosser1 said:

 

I told you my result   i have asked the mod exactly what i can say. Im not getting modkilled for a pirate.

 

 

 

On 4/23/2025 at 3:26 AM, DPR said:

He answered? 

 

On 4/23/2025 at 3:26 AM, dicetosser1 said:

here this should help.

 

I was not told verb was town. I was not told Verb was Not Town.

 

 

Clear now?

 

On 4/23/2025 at 3:26 AM, dicetosser1 said:

 

not yet  hence the post above   thats safe

 

On 4/23/2025 at 3:28 AM, dicetosser1 said:

fight Darthe answered.

 

My result said No Result.

 

On 4/24/2025 at 12:17 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

But there was the whole weirdness when he gave his result. Like it took several posts and a mod check?

 

Mods don't generally put stuff in PMs that give an advantage and if he was the cop and got a no result then that would generally mean his action had been blocked. I don't think I'd ever worry about getting killed for giving a no result result.

 

But a Mafia wouldn't waste a fake claim cop with a garbage no result? Or would they because then they wouldn't have to give a name out.

 

I hate this.

 

 

 

Here I am pointing out the bull poop.

[Nynaeve]

16 minutes ago, Ironeyes said:

I just don't want to form a final opinion until I know if I'm alive in the morning.

 

FYI only death is final.

 

Maybe I'm doing a whole show atm and will change my mind if I survive? It's possible. Women can do that. Lol

 

But I'd like scum to sweat. 

 

Exchanging thoughts now is as unbiased as it's gonna get until day starts so... yeah

[Nynaeve]

Bed time

Ni ni

[Ironeyes]

3 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

Maybe I'm doing a whole show atm and will change my mind if I survive? It's possible. Women can do that. Lol