90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Verbal32]

Ok, I'll be back tomorrow.

[Zander?]

1 minute ago, dicetosser1 said:

I already said he got me my soul read back.

 

yeah I think rand and nyn are pretty clear now

 

Yep agree not lock clear but ya lol

[Zander?]

I might check in later but out for awhile too

[dicetosser1]

I’m thinking either key or ithi @Zander?

[Ithillian Turambar]

1 minute ago, Verbal32 said:

I would guess Ithi from the ones on that train.  I had some back and forth sus with her this game.

Wth. I saw that his roleblocking thing and saying Dice not dying proved he was the doc was garbage.  Cos why would the mafia do a kill and rb on the cop? Yeah i had to go back and check that he did actually say Dice. And from that VC he already had the most votes? But sure you all praise yourself for finding that quote first.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Way to put a downer on the night.

[keyholder21]

Sorry I didn't make it back y'all, it took way longer to find a dress than I thought (usually she knows what she wants), but yay for getting scum! 

 

I'm going to do a little catching up now before bed and a lotta catching up in the morning tomorrow.

[keyholder21]

On 4/23/2025 at 8:11 PM, dicetosser1 said:

I only had 2 votes on me with 30 mins to go so I mustn’t have been all that scummy

 

@darthe.  Is this for real?

 

Bold is a ridiculous statement, you can think someone is scummy but think someone else is scummier and vote for them. Like what?

 

On 4/23/2025 at 8:26 PM, Zander? said:

 

Do you tend to auto town read people who agree with you/your reads?

 

Feels like a townie type question trying to figure someone out.

 

On 4/23/2025 at 8:28 PM, Tigraine said:

If you mean actual night it's because I work during the day and have 4 kids so I only get home to read at night, if you mean in game it's because the volume of posts was a lot less and I was able to catch up.

 

 

I've given as much depth to them as I've seen.   I tend to wait a bit longer before giving here's my town here's my mafia list because D1 is always full of so much fluff.  I'm not going to use that to put any real ideas into the game until I'm confident in my ideas.  It's frivolous.  The first thing that really stood out was Rand at EoD and I made it as clear as possible that I thought it was sus.

 

Bold - Uh, no.  The beginning of D1, sure, but lots goes down on D1 that is pertinent to the rest of the game. 

 

Italics - I can understand wanting to be confident in your ideas, but you playing it close to the vest does not help the rest of us any when we are trying to figure out you/the game.  I say earlier when I skimmed through that you added a bunch of thoughts today, so this might be a moot point, but I think it's always good to get your ideas, or at least your reads on people out there.

 

On 4/23/2025 at 8:35 PM, Zander? said:

 

I most certainly do NOT WOT!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I may spam like a arse but I definitely don't WoT lolololol 

 

Please don't.  I am already having trouble keeping up.

 

On 4/23/2025 at 8:40 PM, RandA lThor said:

Dice could be scum with DPR btw, distancing is fairly common amongst teammates right?

 

But sure, fair on Ed, and, maybe not so fair on him being nice to you 😂 jk everyone has their own gut reads, if that's it for you, for him, maybe it makes sense.

 

Bold - how do you feel about this now, re: DPR's post about being the hider?

 

Putting this in a spoiler because I'm sure this post is already too long.

Spoiler

On 4/23/2025 at 9:29 PM, dicetosser1 said:

I did. It’s only a couple pages back too because people didn’t see it but here you go

 

i viewed verb because I didn’t like his eod and comments immeadiately after

 

and before you ask why didn’t I view rand?

 

how often do I do the expected thing when I’ve got actions?

 

only thing I disagree with is the wp grande bit lol.  
 

Don’t mind Cody losing but hated the way it was done

 

tou will never be forgiven for this.

 

Bold - what???? this is a super weird comment.  If you are the cop, following or not following expectations in so far as who you view does NOT matter because until you reveal, NO ONE KNOWS who you have chosen. 

[dicetosser1]

Alright  @keyholder21

 

what about me this game do you find scummy?

 

Leave my claim out of it and list it all out.

[dicetosser1]

6 minutes ago, keyholder21 said:

 

 

Putting this in a spoiler because I'm sure this post is already too long.

  Reveal hidden contents

 

Bold - what???? this is a super weird comment.  If you are the cop, following or not following expectations in so far as who you view does NOT matter because until you reveal, NO ONE KNOWS who you have chosen. 

no they don’t but they have expectations hence why I got asked why I chose verb and not rand who I was going hammer and tongs with. 
 

the common expectation if the cop is going hard like that with someone is they’d view them

 

but I didnt

 

and nyn knows me well enuff to know I don’t take obvious actions.  I’m one who will go around an expected doc protect and kill someone odd, who will view people you wouldn’t expect me to, to doc people that arnt expected.  And it works.

[keyholder21]

 

On 4/23/2025 at 9:46 PM, Tigraine said:

I've literally never seen anyone say something D1 that 100% confirmed they were scum (even jesters have trouble getting themselves lynched D1 on purpose and they act as scummy as they come)...so i would err on the side of caution.  

 

This would make more sense if all of your posts were pertinent to the issue at hand...they were not.

 

Now THAT actually makes sense and clears it up in my mind.  Thank you.

 

This is absurdly out of context and not worthy of a response 🙄

Misrep, imo, that's not what Rand said. re: 100% confirmed.

 

I do agree with the side of caution though.

On 4/23/2025 at 10:14 PM, Tigraine said:

I can understand that but it still doesn't sit right with me.  It's not smart to NK someone you can block, especially when the claim is so controversial

 

But by killing the useless cop, it gives us information.  Right now we are no closer to knowing who is scum because our cop (if he is our cop) is doing no good since he's roleblocked. 

 

I don't understand how you're not seeing what I'm saying.  We got more information from the vanilla townie that was lynched than we can from an unconfirmed Roleblocked cop. By killing him, it confirms him.  It gives us definite information.  

 

Because if Dice gets NKed then we KNOW he was the cop and can look at many factors.  Right now he's just claimed a role that he can't confirm because he can't get a viewing.  Keeping him alive and blocked is more beneficial to mafia.

 

This post does the opposite of helping me sort dice because it makes a lot of sense on how he could actually be town and the cop lol.  Good points by Tig.

 

23 hours ago, ed2funy said:

 

Currently no read on 3P. Some null thoughts cause they don’t stick out and it’s hours and hours between catching up and nothing else is sticking out. 
 

fully confident on DPR. He’s even admitted he’s mafia thanks to wagonomics! 

 

1. Ithillian Turambar

2. dicetosser1 - town

3. Turin Turambar 

4. Nynaeve - lean scum. Enough poking and prodding without real work but gets to frame it better than my short posts that tickle DPR’s low hangers. 

5. DPR - DIE

6. Verbal32 

7. Zander (formerly Lenlo) - null 

8. ed2funy - sexiest monkey in town 

9. keyholder21 - lean town, like interactions. Posts too long 

10. RandA lThor 

12. Tigraine - town lean 

13. HeavyHalfMoonBlade - slight scum lean from bad taste on d1. Can’t pinpoint. 

 

 I feel like even without DPR's claim, this post and Ed's actions through this part of the day basically clear DPR lol. I can't remember if Ed buses, but it would be a hell of a bus job. It also makes me feel good about Nyn because I think she has been doing real work, imo, and it looks like he's trying to frame her.

 

The "can't pinpoint" thing is weird, but he could just be casting about to point people anywhere but at him. Again, idk if he buses. Makes me want to go back and see if there were any interactions between him and Heavy.

 

I do feel like the town/null combo was just thrown in for chaos/laziness. Could be a scummate trying to help dice, could be scum propelling chaos.  How are you going to put some of the most active people in thread as null???? I'm also annoyed that he has me listed as a town lean for interactions because I know I haven't had many. I know he's scum but it bothers me lol.

 

FWIW, I didn't like Tigraine's original posts but as I've been catching up, she makes sense to me.  Seems open minded to possibility and standing up for herself but not pushing anything? I feel like that's a good thing.  Good vibes, I guess.

 

 

[keyholder21]

50 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

Alright  @keyholder21

 

what about me this game do you find scummy?

 

Leave my claim out of it and list it all out.

 

You can't leave the claim out of it.  The claim is a huge part of it??? 

 

I also feel like you've done a lot of defending yourself and not actual hunting for scum.  It is highly unlikely as an un cc'd cop you get lynched at any point, yet I feel like a majority of your discussions that I've read are you defending yourself, or, I suppose, going after Rand.

[keyholder21]

46 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

no they don’t but they have expectations hence why I got asked why I chose verb and not rand who I was going hammer and tongs with. 
 

the common expectation if the cop is going hard like that with someone is they’d view them

 

but I didnt

 

and nyn knows me well enuff to know I don’t take obvious actions.  I’m one who will go around an expected doc protect and kill someone odd, who will view people you wouldn’t expect me to, to doc people that arnt expected.  And it works.

 

Well apparently I don't because that does not make any sense to me??  Why would you not check someone you thought was the scummiest?????  And why do expectations matter when it comes to who you view?????

[dicetosser1]

5 minutes ago, keyholder21 said:

 

You can't leave the claim out of it.  The claim is a huge part of it??? 

 

I also feel like you've done a lot of defending yourself and not actual hunting for scum.  It is highly unlikely as an un cc'd cop you get lynched at any point, yet I feel like a majority of your discussions that I've read are you defending yourself, or, I suppose, going after Rand.

Of course you can

 

you sat there and said of course I was scummy that was why I had votes on me

 

so what made me scummy BEFORE my claim?

let’s hear it

[dicetosser1]

6 minutes ago, keyholder21 said:

 

Well apparently I don't because that does not make any sense to me??  Why would you not check someone you thought was the scummiest?????  And why do expectations matter when it comes to who you view?????

 

because I already think their scum and am after them. Viewing elsewhere gives info from an unexpected direction.

 

im always going to back my read

 

 

[keyholder21]

I'm trying to do some catching up, lol, but fine, I will.

 

Also, I didn't say that's why you had votes on you.  I was arguing against having to be voting for someone you find scummy, because you can be voting for someone you find scummier.

[keyholder21]

1 minute ago, dicetosser1 said:

 

because I already think their scum and am after them. Viewing elsewhere gives info from an unexpected direction.

 

im always going to back my read

 

 

 

So why would you not view them so you can be sure and not lead people the wrong way and/or clog the thread with discussion???

 

[dicetosser1]

Because that’s not how I do it.  It has better chances of not getting stopped by things like bus drivers or gfs TRYING to get viewed

 

 

[dicetosser1]

But I note you aren’t answering my question

[dicetosser1]

 

 

 

[keyholder21]

This has all been hashed out before, by both of us, on Day 1. I've gathered your quotes and put them in the spoiler, so as not to clog the thread, with my responses in bold below each.

 

Spoiler

On 4/20/2025 at 11:03 PM, dicetosser1 said:

@keyholder21 do you have anything you want from me before you go

 

Weird, gentle, request. Of course I, and anyone, want reads.  I don't remember seeing you ask anyone else on thread if they needed anything from you? I'm trying to remember if I've ever seen it.

 

On 4/20/2025 at 11:09 PM, dicetosser1 said:

You caught the same things I did on Rand

 

ive got Nyn as Town. You as well

 

i think there’s some weird in iron eyes and heavy but I think it’s on Marsha end really and may not indicate much

 

dpr and verb seem to be playing with themselves again with Ed reaching thru his cage to poke at them

 

turins going off half cocked on crap all

 

itgis poking in a way I like

 

Okay, but no descriptions on why Nyn and I are town. Something "weird" with Marsh but not described. Turin is "half cocked" these are all things that felt odd to me and I pointed them out.

 

On 4/21/2025 at 2:16 AM, dicetosser1 said:

[I'm cutting this down to the parts I feel are pertinent since this is already going to be long as hell.]

 

you are pure tone and gut feel. Went “Town Nyn real quick” like I’m not doubting it at all

[...]

there’s two things here

 

1) it takes virtually no effort for Turin to p me off atm and carrying on about non town behaviour is gonna do it.   I am absolutely biased when it comes to him atm.

 

2) crap all.  He’s pontificating on non town behaviour and voting me because I was playing around with heavy.  I hadn’t been back, hadn’t replied to his question or anything.  Hence half cocked.  I wouldn’t say I tried to discredit his thought process as I disagreed with it.  As soon as I do that it can be labelled discrediting can’t it?

 

Then you say tone and gut read for Nyn, but then you go into GREAT detail as to show why (below).  You do not do this with me - you don't even mention your town read on me here or in another post shortly after.  You also don't go into any detail or effort to try to figure out your "weird" issue with Marsh and Heavy. Why focus JUST on Nyn your "tone and gut" read?? Also, it's weird to go into detail on a tone and gut read?  Okay that it's tone and gut, but that's usually it?

 

I also don't think this is an accurate representation of Turin, but reading this again, I will give you that sometimes we things that set us off that we can't get around, so I don't like it, but I can understand where you are coming from with this one.

 

On 4/21/2025 at 2:22 AM, dicetosser1 said:

Nuns entrance doing something normal and expected.  Vote is wrong

 

 

 

just sounds like relaxed nyn
 

 

 

he snarl starts a little
 

 

something I know was true

 

 

 

a nyn response to the fake vote crack I threw at her that is good in tone

 

rest

is still easy and relaxed
 

 

and here comes the real snark

 

 

that’s just nyn.  
 

Told you it’s all tone and. Gut read.  You feel like town nyn really strongly to me

 

Ugh, I accidentally deleted this post and I don't want to find it.  I ask about the things I stated above. You answer below.

 

On 4/21/2025 at 4:08 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

first. I think this was the weird marsh iron eyes thing? Can’t remember without the quote showing properly

 

what do you want? Something feels weird there but I don’t think it’s heavy that’s bringing the weird. Haven’t figured out what it is yet

 

[again I am cutting these quotes so this is not so monstrous]

 

no not interacting is sometimes just not interacting. Distancing is a choice. Something done on purpose.

sometimes you don’t interact because you just don’t feel the need to.

 

i didn’t say he had. I’m still salty from last game. You have brought this up a number of times. I suggest you just leave it alone.

 

[...]

 

1st bit. I’ve already answered this.  You were here. I was here. In real time. I was letting you know I was there and could talk to you in real time if you wanted

 

the next bit I think was my reads on nyn and you?  Have you actually read my posts before asking all these? Cause I’ve already answered the nyn. Even quoted a bunch of her posts which she commented on me doing

 

you is simply that your poking hard and seem to be hunting same as last game

 

again already answered about half cocked. He went off before I even got to reply to things he asked me. Hence half cocked.

 

you think it’s a misrep . I don’t. Difference is? You weren’t the subject.

 

you asked somewhere about ithi.  I like she started poking almost immeadiately. That she hasn’t flinched from defending Turin or calling me out on being salty still 

 

 

blink

 

what? I hadn’t even been posting

 

seriously?

 

 

 

at what point did I say it was a real vote as in I think he’s scum he should be lynched?

 

this post is rubbish.  Leaning on the lawyer joke quite obviously. Click baiting with heavy is scum but then focussing on key mostly and voting key saying he wants to put his money where his mouth is? The first thing out of your mouth was heavy is scum!

 

willing to lynch
 

 

lmao. It’s wrestlemania season and Zander and I are fans

 

if you think that’s a tell… lol

 

Still just a 'weird' and sure, I get that that happens, but I find it odd you don't put any effort into showing what is making you think something's weird.  Like okay, you don't know what it is, but you could provide the exchanges that make you think something is weird. You posted the reasons for your gut feel on Nyn after all. 

 

I also disagree that not interacting is different than distancing.  If someone is your top town read, why would you not interact with them?  

 

On 4/21/2025 at 4:44 PM, dicetosser1 said:

[editing for length]

ypu made me laugh. One minute you note that I do t normally explain guy reads but now find me scummy because I needed to be asked?

 

inconsistent much?

 

also noting that your finding the person I’m finding scummy scummy too

[...]

 

First two sentences are consistent with each other.  Yes, it is scummy, imo, to be asked rather than to just supply.  It is also, but separately scummy to try to explain a gut read.  Doesn't that literally mean, I don't know why but I feel like this is 'x'?? It does to me and the overexplanation is weird.

 

I also don't like the "you're finding the person I'm finding scummy scummy too" line because I'm trying to figure the game out? I don't know your alignment and I don't know his, bussing can happen, and there's a 3p in the mix.  It feels off-putting? I don't think that's the right word but I don't care right now because I'm really tired lol. 

 

 

Do all of these mean you are definitely scum?  Of course not.  But there are several things that niggled at me, especially altogether.  So, yes, I found you scummy D1 even before your claim.

 

[keyholder21]

1 hour ago, dicetosser1 said:

But I note you aren’t answering my question

 

1 hour ago, keyholder21 said:

I'm trying to do some catching up, lol, but fine, I will.

 

Also, I didn't say that's why you had votes on you.  I was arguing against having to be voting for someone you find scummy, because you can be voting for someone you find scummier.

 

I literally told you that I was going to go back and pull quotes to answer your question.

[keyholder21]

1 hour ago, dicetosser1 said:

Because that’s not how I do it.  It has better chances of not getting stopped by things like bus drivers or gfs TRYING to get viewed

 

 

 

There is no bus driver in this game!??!?!

[keyholder21]

54 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

 

 

 

 

You okay?

[keyholder21]

Okay, now I for real have to go to bed.  I have to be up in 5 hours to get the kids around for school.