Game Over - Hamilton Mafia - SMFDR's Win!

[Zander?]

On 4/4/2025 at 5:57 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

TURIN - 5  (Cass, Zander, DPR, Dice, Verbal)

CASS - 5 (Darthe, Seph, Turin, Gudrean, Key)

DPR- 1 (Hallia)

 

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Meh I think Darth vote might clear Cass... But he started back tracking his Wolf read on Turin later in Day so if Cass is A Wolf did he let it go to random because he was worried about thread perspective of him switching over and risked leaving a vote on a teammate and potentially risk losing them or kept it to maybe get Town credit?   Or was it just kept it parked there because we had T/T trains.  I think latter prolly most likely.  Either way because of this I think, and as much as it pains me to say this I might MIGHT give Turcass a day pass.

[Zander?]

Just now, Zander? said:

 

Meh I think Darth vote might clear Cass... But he started back tracking his Wolf read on Turin later in Day so if Cass is A Wolf did he let it go to random because he was worried about thread perspective of him switching over and risked leaving a vote on a teammate and potentially risk losing them or kept it to maybe get Town credit?   Or was it just kept it parked there because we had T/T trains.  I think latter prolly most likely.  Either way because of this I think, and as much as it pains me to say this I might MIGHT give Turcass a day pass.

 

It IS Darthe and anything possible with Darthe so I won't clear Cassturin completely but think I'll give them a day pass for today and see if anyone's got anything to confirm one way or the other and reevaluate if need be Day 3.

[Zander?]

So ATP before most people have checked in just off tops:

 

Town to Scum: * Day pass for Darthe vote poss spew.

 

CassTurin *

Seph- (I'm having trouble believing he is so adamant Day 1 defending Darthe (if memory correct about that)

Key 

Gud

Dice/Verb  

Hallia/DPR

 

 

Note: I hate having 3 of my PoE being lowest activity players (I get RL) just feels weak and like I'm missing on a DEEPWOLF.

[DPR]

@Zander? @Gudrean is wolf. I knew it as soon as she wouldn't vote for Turin. Pretty sure she knew I knew as soon as I asked her who she would and wouldn't vote for - she's been pretty good about getting back to people and she never circled back to that. Darthe is one of the few players that I could help her pull off the game she has so far and now that he's gone, look for her behavior to change.

 

Let's run her up and see how she does. 

 

@seph is lock clear in my book. He called me out on a point of honor, intended or not, and I extend the same standards to him. Enough said. 

 

In my mind, I don't see Gud jumping on the Cass train if Cass was wolf. It would have been too easy to jump on Turin's train or even my train. Probability makes me think the Cass/Turin slot is *probably* town.

 

In my mind, I'm looking for a player that fits into the Darthe-guiding-Gud picture. I'm thinking it'll be an independent player and we have a few options there, each of which should reveal themselves today.

 

@keyholder21 for the love of all that's holy, please stop thinking I've been tying you and @Hallia together - you both just fell into similar places on my PoE, like dice and Verb, but nobody thinks that they're mafia together. It skeeves me that you keep talking about this point, but there are things you've said that make me want to see you working for town. 

 

Wagonomics on the @Turin Turambar lynch are going t be distorted because he was, and I say this respectfully, the WOLF D1 MVP. I have no idea whatsoever wtf the plan was there, but let's all agree it was a bad idea and move on. Having said that, the last two votes do fall under the independent player category, and everybody is a suspect until they're cleared. 

 

Is Hallia a wolf? She certainly seems to be coasting and going along with a plan. If we can sort Gud, I'll have a better read here. Honest;y, Turin muddied the water so bad that it's hard to go back and see how other people were playing off of each other. 

 

That leaves @Verbal32 and @dicetosser1. They'll need to be around more to clear their slots. 

 

No matter what, Darthe was playing a major role in the mafia plan, so look for departures from that. 

 

 

 

 

[DPR]

Vote Gud

[Zander?]

22 minutes ago, DPR said:

@Zander? @Gudrean is wolf. I knew it as soon as she wouldn't vote for Turin. Pretty sure she knew I knew as soon as I asked her who she would and wouldn't vote for - she's been pretty good about getting back to people and she never circled back to that. Darthe is one of the few players that I could help her pull off the game she has so far and now that he's gone, look for her behavior to change.

 

Let's run her up and see how she does. 

 

@seph is lock clear in my book. He called me out on a point of honor, intended or not, and I extend the same standards to him. Enough said. 

 

In my mind, I don't see Gud jumping on the Cass train if Cass was wolf. It would have been too easy to jump on Turin's train or even my train. Probability makes me think the Cass/Turin slot is *probably* town.

 

In my mind, I'm looking for a player that fits into the Darthe-guiding-Gud picture. I'm thinking it'll be an independent player and we have a few options there, each of which should reveal themselves today.

 

@keyholder21 for the love of all that's holy, please stop thinking I've been tying you and @Hallia together - you both just fell into similar places on my PoE, like dice and Verb, but nobody thinks that they're mafia together. It skeeves me that you keep talking about this point, but there are things you've said that make me want to see you working for town. 

 

Wagonomics on the @Turin Turambar lynch are going t be distorted because he was, and I say this respectfully, the WOLF D1 MVP. I have no idea whatsoever wtf the plan was there, but let's all agree it was a bad idea and move on. Having said that, the last two votes do fall under the independent player category, and everybody is a suspect until they're cleared. 

 

Is Hallia a wolf? She certainly seems to be coasting and going along with a plan. If we can sort Gud, I'll have a better read here. Honest;y, Turin muddied the water so bad that it's hard to go back and see how other people were playing off of each other. 

 

That leaves @Verbal32 and @dicetosser1. They'll need to be around more to clear their slots. 

 

No matter what, Darthe was playing a major role in the mafia plan, so look for departures from that. 

 

 

 

 

 

Hmmmm I feel words unspoken here perhaps?

[Zander?]

3 hours ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Start of Day 2

 

The first vote had come and gone—an uneasy choice that sent George Washington walking into the shadows, not slain, but dismissed. Erased. The town told itself it had acted. That it had done something. That it still had control.

But control is an illusion.

Tonight would prove it.

James Madison worked late. That, too, was an illusion—routine as safety. He had always kept to himself, scribbling thoughts while others shouted. Always observing, always calculating. Quietly building something beneath the surface. A truth, perhaps. A theory. Or a threat to someone watching.

The footsteps behind him were soft. Intentional. He turned, but not fast enough.

There was no time for a word, no breath to shout. Just a sudden stillness in the air. The sound of falling papers. A single, small impact against the cold earth.

The village awoke to find it—not a missing vote or a departing figure, but a body.

James Madison was dead.

Not erased. Not dismissed. Gone.

The air felt colder now. The lines more blurred. The rules, rewritten in blood.

This was no longer a game of speeches.

Someone had made their first real move in the dark.

 

Darthe - James Madison - Southern Mother Fluffing Democratic Republican - Mafia Messenger 

 

Has been Killed.

 

Day 2 will end at 10pm BST Wednesday 9th April.

 

VC will be added shortly. 

 

You may now post.

 

 

Anyone know what messenger role is?  Never heard or seen before.

[Zander?]

On 4/4/2025 at 5:54 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

I have looked at everybody, yes.  My read on Darthe would be null without that one town core post, and my read on seph would actually be slight town if not for the "nodding along" post.  But I stand by my belief that sometimes it's just one little post slip that scum makes, especially solid scum.  And both of those are solid players.

 

For everybody else, I have them basically above the line currently.  At this point, I need to see some flips and look at votes and try to evaluate from there.

 

Anyone know what Verbs read on Darthe was?

[Zander?]

On 4/4/2025 at 3:57 PM, Darthe said:

Fwiw I’m still against a Turin lynch.  Will be on the road at DL I think.

 

Cass is good, DPR is ok but hurts my heart, verb is really stinking this thread up but too late to pivot to.

 

He's listed a Scummate in this post according to my:

 

[Zander?]

@seph

 

Mafia with me?!!!!!!(

[Zander?]

On 4/4/2025 at 3:57 PM, Darthe said:

Fwiw I’m still against a Turin lynch.  Will be on the road at DL I think.

 

Cass is good, DPR is ok but hurts my heart, verb is really stinking this thread up but too late to pivot to.

 

On 4/4/2025 at 4:01 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

Feel free to point out how I'm doing that.  I'll wait.

 

On 4/4/2025 at 4:02 PM, Verbal32 said:

Like, "drive by" shading ain't gonna cut it.

 

Me thinks maybe not Verb?  Darthe ATP I don't feel had any idea he was getting got last night sooooooooo unless bussing was the plan meh not sure if this is necessary or not for Scummates to do 

[seph]

I caught up and plan on rereading to try and looks at interactions before I go to deep into posting.

3 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

I actually thought a lot of his later in day posts were more reasonable and started to question if I was overreacting to our earlier spat.

I definitely read your interaction with darthe backwards... Jesus, I dont think I have ever been pocketed that hard. 

3 hours ago, Gudrean said:

I'll be honest I wasn't liking either CassTurin or Turin for the trains but went with CassTurin because I felt they were wolfier than Turin was. (sorry for the brain melt with all the turins) I thought a DPR train would have been better. 

DPR is in my top space at the moment for today. Some things about him were just feeling off for town.

I don't think guds vote is AI

2 hours ago, Zander? said:

Like maybe Seph (I think it was Seph who had a post saying he'd fight a darthe lunch actively iirc?). I'm not sure a scummate does that to a partner day 1 like that so if my memory serves that's a good look at least imho is that thought process lolZander?

Ohhhh, that...... yea I hardcore defended darthe over Turin. Thanks for the reminder, ima just vig myself tonight lol.

2 hours ago, Zander? said:

 

Crap I'm not sure if that Darthe vote is distancing or clearing for Cass FML

 

Hallia and DPR could be anything based on the Hallia vote even W/W because he was in no danger. But DPR on Turin increases his Wolf equity.  Doesn't make him a Wolf just increases the odds.

 

There's min 1 Wolf prolly 2 on Turin unless Cass is Town then that might not be as true.  But definitely at least 1.

Darthe was on Cass pretty early, it's hard for me to even move Cassturin out of the poe. If Cass was Town, it's a easy vote to sit on since she was so inactive. I might lean T over wolf.

[Zander?]

Just now, seph said:

I caught up and plan on rereading to try and looks at interactions before I go to deep into posting.

I definitely read your interaction with darthe backwards... Jesus, I dont think I have ever been pocketed that hard. 

I don't think guds vote is AI

Ohhhh, that...... yea I hardcore defended darthe over Turin. Thanks for the reminder, ima just vig myself tonight lol.

Darthe was on Cass pretty early, it's hard for me to even move Cassturin out of the poe. If Cass was Town, it's a easy vote to sit on since she was so inactive. I might lean T over wolf.

 

So you VILLAGING Seph?!!!!?? I'm having trouble thinking you defended a scummate that hard D1 lololololol 

 

Also that timing to my tagging you lost is scary lolololo

 

Also part 2.....off tops ATP 3 person WTL and why?

[seph]

Rofl, I am just getting into the swing of things but this swing is lying down for bed soon. 

I'll give you some more thoughts of who I want to look at closely but my reads from d1 might have been all sorts of wrong.

[Zander?]

Just now, seph said:

Rofl, I am just getting into the swing of things but this swing is lying down for bed soon. 

I'll give you some more thoughts of who I want to look at closely but my reads from d1 might have been all sorts of wrong.

 

That's fine just before you crash if ya don't mind give me a 3 person WTL ATP with raisins so I have something to think about tonight please.

[Zander?]

Like I think your prolly Town ATP.  It's not like lock or anything but prolly and unless someone claims a red on you I won't see you on the block today.

[Zander?]

3 minutes ago, seph said:

Rofl, I am just getting into the swing of things but this swing is lying down for bed soon. 

I'll give you some more thoughts of who I want to look at closely but my reads from d1 might have been all sorts of wrong.

 

Ya sorry forgot to add this.  Day 1 is freaking EBOLAIDS man.  Even if someone pegs someone it's much more luck than anything else day 1.  But we have 2 flips and 1 of each which is only less then 2 Wolves flips and Day 1 Wagonomics which is the lowest day for it but I think we're in a good position and can get good information to poss get a couple players pretty close to clear and get a pretty decent PoE.

[Zander?]

On 4/4/2025 at 3:22 PM, Gudrean said:

I'm not voting Turin, I think he's town.

 

DPR has a larger possibility of being wolf than Turin, The interactions with Turin seem to be him fighting to prove he's town so it might just be a T/T thing.

 

I hate to vote Cass again on D1 and be wrong but she has the least interactions of the 3 and the least solid town read of the 3.

 

QFR

[seph]

48 minutes ago, DPR said:

@Zander? @Gudrean is wolf. I knew it as soon as she wouldn't vote for Turin. Pretty sure she knew I knew as soon as I asked her who she would and wouldn't vote for - she's been pretty good about getting back to people and she never circled back to that. Darthe is one of the few players that I could help her pull off the game she has so far and now that he's gone, look for her behavior to change.

 

Let's run her up and see how she does. 

 

@seph is lock clear in my book. He called me out on a point of honor, intended or not, and I extend the same standards to him. Enough said. 

 

In my mind, I don't see Gud jumping on the Cass train if Cass was wolf. It would have been too easy to jump on Turin's train or even my train. Probability makes me think the Cass/Turin slot is *probably* town.

 

In my mind, I'm looking for a player that fits into the Darthe-guiding-Gud picture. I'm thinking it'll be an independent player and we have a few options there, each of which should reveal themselves today.

 

@keyholder21 for the love of all that's holy, please stop thinking I've been tying you and @Hallia together - you both just fell into similar places on my PoE, like dice and Verb, but nobody thinks that they're mafia together. It skeeves me that you keep talking about this point, but there are things you've said that make me want to see you working for town. 

 

Wagonomics on the @Turin Turambar lynch are going t be distorted because he was, and I say this respectfully, the WOLF D1 MVP. I have no idea whatsoever wtf the plan was there, but let's all agree it was a bad idea and move on. Having said that, the last two votes do fall under the independent player category, and everybody is a suspect until they're cleared. 

 

Is Hallia a wolf? She certainly seems to be coasting and going along with a plan. If we can sort Gud, I'll have a better read here. Honest;y, Turin muddied the water so bad that it's hard to go back and see how other people were playing off of each other. 

 

That leaves @Verbal32 and @dicetosser1. They'll need to be around more to clear their slots. 

 

No matter what, Darthe was playing a major role in the mafia plan, so look for departures from that. 

 

 

 

 

A few points on this, if Cass is Town Guds vote as mafia makes a lot of sense with her gameplay this game. I have her in my poe still and hope she can get into the game if town. 

 

His view on me I get, and I do feel the same tbh. I am hoping to trust him more after the reread. I would look back here if Cass is A wolf tbh.

18 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

Anyone know what Verbs read on Darthe was?

Read darthe /me as wolf. I want to go back look to see if he ever explained the reason. I would feel better about him hitting darthe if he pushed the spot, or heck even pushed me. I just feel like those were reads thrown out for no reason. Will have to double check.

9 minutes ago, Zander? said:

@seph

 

Mafia with me?!!!!!!(

That's a little to far for me. I'll town with you if you will have me again 🙂

2 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

So you VILLAGING Seph?!!!!?? I'm having trouble thinking you defended a scummate that hard D1 lololololol 

 

Also that timing to my tagging you lost is scary lolololo

 

Also part 2.....off tops ATP 3 person WTL and why?

Brooooo, I think I need a new term for how deep of a pocket I was in... throw me a rope?

I will always village my friend! I want to look at hallia, gud, cassturin, verb.

 

I am a little worried about key because darthe and her were two people I was agreeing with in the thread.

 

Dice had his weird vote which took Turin to 5, and his explosive one word reaction to me and dpr.

 

I think I just said alot to say I need to reassess

[seph]

18 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

That's fine just before you crash if ya don't mind give me a 3 person WTL ATP with raisins so I have something to think about tonight please.

I think hallia needs to be in the poe.

Gud

Verbal. Verbal said he would switch votes to Cass at end so we wouldn't go random. I disliked the end of his day and if he is Mafia I think I look at cassturin a little harder.

 

Cassturin.

 

You get 4.

I am unsure how to feel about verbal with darthes post last night, Do you have any thoughts on the matter?

[Zander?]

9 minutes ago, seph said:

I think hallia needs to be in the poe.

Gud

Verbal. Verbal said he would switch votes to Cass at end so we wouldn't go random. I disliked the end of his day and if he is Mafia I think I look at cassturin a little harder.

 

Cassturin.

 

You get 4.

I am unsure how to feel about verbal with darthes post last night, Do you have any thoughts on the matter?

 

Not sure if Verbs his partner if you look up A few posts from this of mine I quoted an exchange.  It's not like they couldn't have been bussing)distancing but I think it's a Pius for Verb 

 

[seph]

Just now, Zander? said:

 

Not sure if Verbs his partner if you look up A few posts from this of mine I quoted an exchange.  It's not like they couldn't have been bussing)distancing but I think it's a Pius for Verb 

 

I will look at it before my reread.

I'm out for the night though. Gluck hunting!

[Zander?]

Just now, seph said:

I will look at it before my reread.

I'm out for the night though. Gluck hunting!

 

Ya I'm dozing off here lololololol night bro 

[dicetosser1]

1 hour ago, seph said:

I caught up and plan on rereading to try and looks at interactions before I go to deep into posting.

I definitely read your interaction with darthe backwards... Jesus, I dont think I have ever been pocketed that hard. 

I don't think guds vote is AI

Ohhhh, that...... yea I hardcore defended darthe over Turin. Thanks for the reminder, ima just vig myself tonight lol.

Darthe was on Cass pretty early, it's hard for me to even move Cassturin out of the poe. If Cass was Town, it's a easy vote to sit on since she was so inactive. I might lean T over wolf.

 

Ok so i thought Darthe was Town. Ive had Seph as Town too. But the purple here pinged me. Its feeling fake to me.  I think its the first thing from seph that has pinged me.

 

1 hour ago, Zander? said:

 

QFR

 

I hate this quoting system.

 

This had a quote in it of Gud saying she wouldnt vote turin.  Reading it again this morning, it struck me as very firm. Which it didnt the first time i read it. Maybe the difference is knowing turins role.

 

 

58 minutes ago, seph said:

A few points on this, if Cass is Town Guds vote as mafia makes a lot of sense with her gameplay this game. I have her in my poe still and hope she can get into the game if town. 

 

His view on me I get, and I do feel the same tbh. I am hoping to trust him more after the reread. I would look back here if Cass is A wolf tbh.

Read darthe /me as wolf. I want to go back look to see if he ever explained the reason. I would feel better about him hitting darthe if he pushed the spot, or heck even pushed me. I just feel like those were reads thrown out for no reason. Will have to double check.

That's a little to far for me. I'll town with you if you will have me again 🙂

Brooooo, I think I need a new term for how deep of a pocket I was in... throw me a rope?

I will always village my friend! I want to look at hallia, gud, cassturin, verb.

 

I am a little worried about key because darthe and her were two people I was agreeing with in the thread.

 

Dice had his weird vote which took Turin to 5, and his explosive one word reaction to me and dpr.

 

I think I just said alot to say I need to reassess

 

I dont even remember what your talking about re a one word reaction to you and DPR. can you show me?

[Zander?]

You all.caught up Dice? That it?  Please give me a 3 person WTL ATP list with some raisins please