tv show spoilers S1E8: The Eye of the World

[Bruan]

1 minute ago, Gothic Flame said:

Big difference in xp. Balrogs and dragons vs gobs and orcs...

yes... but you can’t see that while they’re alive... 

[ilovezam]

52 minutes ago, Variant said:

From what I am seeing (and hoping I am wrong) LTT isn't just stupid, it seems like they are writing it so that he is the main culprit  and that the person he was arguing with told him flatly exactly what was going to  happen...

 

Combined with the cold opening in Episode 1 where Moiraine suggested it was male arrogance that let to the Breaking I think that's where they're going.

 

No War of Power, it was idyllic and peaceful and LTT just decided to go fuck some shit up. Latra then tells him straight up he's going to get the One Power corrupted (somehow only for men though they're not doing saidin/saidar) and he does it anyway, making him look like a complete moron. It's... weird

Edited December 25, 2021 by ilovezam

[bombadillio]

45 minutes ago, bringbackthomsmoustache said:

What dragon?  Goblins, orks, elves, ents, trolls, a balrog and the winged mounts of the nazgul are all not dragons.  

It was a pun and my whole point. LOTR + Hobbit as well. They ALL looked better then the CGI we are seeing. 

 

The Balrog looked more realistic than all this CGI and that's 20 year old technology 

 

"Big difference in xp. Balrogs and dragons vs gobs and orcs." 

 

My XP bar is through the roof just from the re reads ? 

Edited December 25, 2021 by bombadillio

[DaddyFinn]

1 hour ago, bombadillio said:

 

 

If this what's 100m looks like we're screwed and I really hope they step up as I'm not impressed. 

 

For $100m it should be art and stand the test of time lime LOTR does 20 years later. The dragon there looks better from 20 years ago than any of the CGI we saw here. 

Edit. I moved this to the full season thread

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Edited December 25, 2021 by DaddyFinn

[Ryrin]

Episode 8 was just dreadful. It appears that there is nothing to becoming an Aes Sedai. Women with the spark can heal groups of people, bring back the dead, link and destroy herds of trollocs. Why become a novice at all? 
 

The story was just slaughtered. It’s just dismal.

[Variant]

1 hour ago, ilovezam said:

 

Combined with the cold opening in Episode 1 where Moiraine suggested it was male arrogance that let to the Breaking I think that's where they're going.

 

No War of Power, it was idyllic and peaceful and LTT just decided to go fuck some shit up. Latra then tells him straight up he's going to get the One Power corrupted (somehow only for men though they're not doing saidin/saidar) and he does it anyway, making him look like a complete moron. It's... weird

 

The lack of the saidin/saidar divide made for a line in episode 8 that made no sense.  Moraine says she won't teach him because he will go mad, but, he's "about to face the dark one" so, she should be telling him everything he needs to know asap.  

 

The rewrite on the age of legends Makes me feel a little ill really.  If they throw out the bore the whole story kind of collapses in on itself and makes LTT flatly unlikable/tragic character.  I suppose it sets up a somewhat symmetrical end to the series in a redemption arc, but it feels incredibly unnecessary to rewrite it like that.

 

On top of this the eye of the world is a setup (again as far as I can tell) in this series so he just goes ahead and blunders into the dark ones designs yet again...

 

The whole thing left me with a bad taste in my mouth.

[Chivalry]

5 hours ago, Yojimbo said:

C'mon. He's just a warder.   He can't be expected to be competent.   It's not like he's a village girl who's never been 3 miles from where she was born or something.

 

This was an epic fail. It ruined the scene. They need to edit that nonsense out.

[Hudson]

7 hours ago, Yojimbo said:

Good to know.  Been wondering if it was any good.  My wife and I have both read every SH story multiple times.  Loved the Cumberpatch reimagining (the first two seasons anyway).   Still love Basil Rathbone the most though.   

Audible has the complete works read by Stephen Fry.  62.5 hours long.  Haven’t listened to it yet.  Planning on it.

[Jasnah]

Although I think Moiraine was shielded, not stilled, I don’t think it’s ultimately going to matter which. She’s going to get her power back in season 2. Maybe they’re moving the tower of ghenjei up and making it a voluntary journey or whatever. Because I doubt she’ll be stilled/shielded again later on the series. 
 

My unpopular opinion is that the EF people aren’t really that great at acting yet. It’s really visible when they are not in the larger ensemble and have to carry more of the weight. I think they have potential, but they have one tune. Rand always looks like he just found a dead cat. Perrin with his mouth hanging open and that growling thing he’s trying to do with his voice is not working. Egwene always looks like someone just hurt her feelings. Nynaeve’s eye darting and nostril flaring can only go so far. Mat was excellent, far and away the best of the EF group. Lan hasn’t really been given much to do acting wise. 
 

Watching Moiraine be stilled/shielded was so painful to watch. It was acted so well and the hand twitching thing was heartbreaking. 

[Raezold]

7 hours ago, bringbackthomsmoustache said:

 

I find the massive facial tatoos to be particularly bad, suggesting they are combining the Seanchan and Shara cultures. 

 

Tattoos? Children's face paint is what we thought of it.

[Bruan]

6 hours ago, Ryrin said:

Episode 8 was just dreadful. It appears that there is nothing to becoming an Aes Sedai. Women with the spark can heal groups of people, bring back the dead, link and destroy herds of trollocs. Why become a novice at all? 
 

The story was just slaughtered. It’s just dismal.

to be fair, there was a point in the books where the As Sedai saw all the powerful wilders out in the world and realized how little they actually know about the power in comparison. But those were women actually trained  like the sea folk windfinders and the wise ones from the waste.

[MasterAblar]

I can appreciate that he has a plan, however there’s now perfect to adapt a book series. 
 

The choices he makes have consequences, both positive and negative. For exemple the choice to focus on Moiraine has had very positive effects allowing them to introduce the larger world and a lot of concepts earlier on. But it also had negative effects when it very much stalled the development of other characters. 
 

And yes that might be just an opinion but when it’s brought up in a lot of reviews it gains weight.

[Gothic Flame]

Rafe is likely realizing the poor logic and writing and is doing damage control.

That the next season leans more on Moiraine means he wants Rosamund Pike's name front and center. I'm guessing name recognition counts more to him than the books. But the utter stupidity of his writing choices can't be overlooked. Rafe's lack of experience has proven itself. It needs no more reinforcement.

[divica]

There is so much wrong with this ep...

Like, if the 5 pseudo aes sedai were supposed to inflict heavy losses on the trolloc army why didn't they do it at the beguining of the battle?

Why didn't fain kidnap perrin to take him to his boss?

For the love of god, why is eg reviving people? Seriously, what is rafe's obecession with making eg great?

What does rand even do at the end? He is supposed to reseal the dark one but all we see is the seal breaking and rand thinking he did what? How can he think he was sucessful?

Why does moiraine let rand go despite knowing that this was just the first battle and that she will need the dragon again?

 

what were people thinking when they wrote this? 

[henfen]

19 hours ago, Yojimbo said:

As the Wheel of Time turns, so are the days of our lives.

 

 

For the win.

 

I had the realization yesterday that the show was made to be a soap opera.  The cinematography, the dialogue, the focus on sex, the nonsense melodrama.  What we're seeing isn't "Game of Thrones TV" - it's daytime soap TV.  This begs the question.... who do they think is their target audience?  It's clearly not on par with other fantasy tv shows... yet, it's hard to imagine the drama and romance is in enough to interest non-fantasy lovers (while fantasy fans are probably more confused and unimpressed than not).  It seems such an odd way to invest in such an epic series.  I'm seriously doubting if the creators and writers actually read the books.  It's ok for things to change - yes, it's an "adaptation" - but it would've been swell if they had at least understood the source material.

[mbuehner]

So is the implication is they are Gandalfing TWO characters in the finale?

[JenniferL]

Seriously, it is Christmas. Go build a snow man or something. 

[Rand the Plumber]

I've just watched Eps 7 and 8 with my partner, after being so disillusioned with Ep 6 that I wasn't interested any more.  I started the season as a card-carrying fanboy, and my other half as the person who just doesn't really care about fantasy movies or books.  Oh my, how the turnings have tabled.  He was the one who talked me into watching.  Well, it was on the TV in the lounge, so unless I wanted to sulk in the bedroom or the study, I was kind of stuck with it.

 

How on earth did they start with such potential (and I loved the show at the beginning), and with such outstanding actors (barring Egwene and mostly barring Matt, I think the casting is perfect), and turn it into... into... into this?  So much potential, so many (mostly) excellent visuals.  So many scenes which were book perfect, and still.  My profession is known for its loquacity and I persuade people for a living, but I can't find the appropriate words for how I feel.  Perhaps this is what stilling feels like.

 

Well, they've lost me for Season 2, although my partner will probably watch as he now appears to be hooked.  At the end of Ep 6 I was disengaged but hoped that the show would be successful.  I no longer care one way or the other.  It is dead to me.

 

I'm going back to reading the books.  You might see me on that side of the forums. Time for a re-read.

 

[Gothic Flame]

2 minutes ago, JenniferL said:

Seriously, it is Christmas. Go build a snow man or something. 

I wanted too...but it's too warm! 

Poo...just rain.

[Bruan]

27 minutes ago, Gothic Flame said:

I wanted too...but it's too warm! 

Poo...just rain.

opposite problem. Too cold. Bust through the top crust of the snow to the loose powder underneath. Besides, kids are napping off Christmas morning excitement.  
(I use the term loosely to mean sometime after falling asleep the night before)

[Mirefox]

I think the fact that Ishamael is called “Ishmael” in the X-Ray pretty much sums up how much the writers care…

[JenniferL]

I understand. I live in Atlanta. Snow is a terrifying thing for us. 
 

Anyways, let’s get back on topic. What did everyone think about Amalisa? She clearly trained enough to make Accepted if she knew enough to make a link. But the lack of discipline that led to her losing control of the circle is clearly why she didn’t go further. 

[Apsalar]

On 12/24/2021 at 5:56 PM, Gothic Flame said:

And that's the only way that pushes for improvements.

True. I just cancelled my Prime subscripton effective immediately. This show is an absoute train wreck.

[Bruan]

7 minutes ago, JenniferL said:

I understand. I live in Atlanta. Snow is a terrifying thing for us. 
 

Anyways, let’s get back on topic. What did everyone think about Amalisa? She clearly trained enough to make Accepted if she knew enough to make a link. But the lack of discipline that led to her losing control of the circle is clearly why she didn’t go further. 

That, and the lack of power I think. She was clearly completely overwhelmed once our Two Rivers nuclear power cells got plugged in. Though I have to admit, I hate how it worked out in the show... you’re not supposed to be risking your life to join a circle, just giving up control.

[VooDooNut]

20 minutes ago, JenniferL said:

I understand. I live in Atlanta. Snow is a terrifying thing for us. 
 

Anyways, let’s get back on topic. What did everyone think about Amalisa? She clearly trained enough to make Accepted if she knew enough to make a link. But the lack of discipline that led to her losing control of the circle is clearly why she didn’t go further. 

I agree. Her moment when she's feeling all of the wind in the sky is really cool! I also think Nynaeve and Egwene will be dealing with some trauma early next season.

9 minutes ago, Bruan said:

That, and the lack of power I think. She was clearly completely overwhelmed once our Two Rivers nuclear power cells got plugged in. Though I have to admit, I hate how it worked out in the show... you’re not supposed to be risking your life to join a circle, just giving up control.

I think this just raises the stakes and danger of using circles for anything. This is a good change for the show and will make moments like

Spoiler

The Bowl Of The Winds and Rand/Nynaeve Shadar Logath moments more resonant to viewers (I hope).