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  1. Provide reasons why in comments. Please try to be concise. You're more likely to be read and responded to if there is not two full paragraphs for each bullet point. I plan to have many reasons but will try to keep the verbiage down...
  2. Just wondering what people think the portrayal of the Seanchan will be like in season 2? The Seanchan characters always came across a quite complex when I read the books because on the one hand their culture does the monstrous thing of enslaving people who can channel and treating them like animals, and they are invading and conquering lands and people they have no real claim on (although they believe otherwise), but equally they cannot be just dismissed as "evil" or "bad guys". We see that the Seanchan view themselves as liberators bringing lost peoples back into the fold of the empire and bringing enlightenment. There also have strong values of morality and justice (even if this is somewhat twisted when it comes to channellers and invading other peoples countries), people who serve them appear in many cases to be fairly treated and rewarded for their service. We see in Tuon and Egeanin characters who have values, loyalties and relationships that are very like our cast of heroes even to the point where I (as a reader) found myself actually caring for some of these characters who come from this regime that does such terrible things. After seeeing how the first season of WoT has played out I don't hold out much hope that the Seanchan of the books will be the Seanchan of the TV show. Changes seem inevitable at this point (Light, I hope they are good changes and not bad ones!). However, after only one brief scene there is not much to go on yet. But I was a bit apprehensive when I saw the tsunami. It's been a couple of years since I last read the books but as far as I recall Seanchan from the books do not usually conduct unprovoked attacks. I recall them offering most people the chance to swear alliegance to the empire then allowing them to go about their business as usual. Forgetting the surrender option for a moment there also doesn't seem to be much strategic significance to flooding the land with a tsunami as we see no defences this attack is aimed at (maybe they are there but out of shot?) and as the Seanchan plan to land and colonize this land, ruining it with a flood just seems like it would make more work for themselves? I'm not necessarily saying this was a bad choice of the show, just trying to work out the reasoning behind it. Anyway what did other people think of that scene and what do you think the Seanchan will be like when we properly see them in the show?
  3. I agree with the fact EOTW is quite derivative and Rafe had the burden to make it unique. But judging by the critic reviews, it doesnt seem Rafe succeeded. Rememeber the Critics dont care about the changes. They are reviewing quality Shadow and Bone was in the same situation. The source material was your typical chosen one girl with a mild Love triangle thrown in. The Show runner had the same challenge to make it unique. And they did. They cleverly introduced an new plotline that ended up making the Show BETTER than the books.So the Shadow and Bone showrunner succeded where Rafe is doing.....averagely
  4. I wanted to make a thread just where people can say tiny little things they caught that might be references to the books or that made them go 'Yes!' from the different episodes. No discussion here, ideally....that can go in the other threads. Just little mentions of things you saw that others might miss. I'll start. Episode 1 : Tam al'Thor describing how the Wheel works and how it lets you do it better next time. (Referring to the events on top of Dragonmount) Episode 2: Mat describing his dream with the bats and how they all had their necks cracked (Referring to the hangman's noose)
  5. I wanted to post this because Mat is my favourite WoT character but I’m ultimately left conflicted by his character in this season. On the one hand I feel Barney Harris did a decent enough job with the material he had to work with, but what he had to work with didn’t seem to really capture the essence of Mat from the books that well in my opinion. To be honest it felt like he had gone to the dark side even before taking the dagger and I didn’t see anything roguish or charming or fun in him, which I’ve always thought were important parts of Mat’s character and is why I like him so much. I also notice they seem to have written Mat out of the rest of the season (I am assuming he won’t appear again?). I had known they had decided to recast the character like everyone else but had always assumed this happened after the end of the first season. Now from looking at the last couple of episodes it seems like they decided to do it in the middle of production. I don’t know the reason’s why and don’t want to speculate about the relationship of this actor with the rest of the production and I'm not trying to hate on anyone on either side but compared with other recasting in other TV and movies it does seem a little weird. If it was for a storytelling reason part of me wonders if it happened because they thought this version of the character just wasn’t working out?
  6. Battles The big battle scenes in both GoT and LoTR/Hobbit are the standards for fantasy battles. Gandalf's charge at Helm's Deep, Rohan's charge at Minas Tirith, The Vale's charge at the Battle of Bastards are all classics. I am sensing a pattern here--charges when all is nearly lost. Where might they be in WoT?
  7. I can't accept that the oath rod and oath wording were one episode plot devices. Add to that the show's addition of Min's viewing of Moiraine. (I'm cognizant of the difference between "the Amyrlin Seat" and "Siuan" in the viewing). Why add that viewing if her storyline was going to remain the same as in the books? I've seen speculation that the Eye is a trap that Moiraine is leading Rand into, and since this event is triggered by Siuan's dreams, falling into the trap would mean the Amyrlin caused her downfall. But I see this as a possible mistake on Moiraine's part, not necessarily a "downfall." Downfalls are more hardcore and tragic than that. Moiraine's downfall in the books must be when she lost her powers to the Finn, no? And that was not caused by Siuan or an Amyrlin Seat. So I think it's safe to speculate that Moiraine's storyline will differ from the books. In the books, as we know, Moiraine is presumed dead for many books, then is rescued. I can't see this happening in the TV show. I don't think Rosamund Pike would just disappear for however many seasons it takes to cover her book absence, and then just return. I don't know anything about what is involved in producing a TV show, but I'd imagine that trying to hold an actress for a few years offscreen (or shoehorning her in for years via flashbacks) is something that would be avoided if possible. There's a possibility that she'll just die and never come back, but....I know I'm biased because Moiraine has been my favorite character from jump, but Pike is carrying the show, I think. The other actors are going a great job making me enjoy characters that I wasn't sold on in the books, but I don't think any of them have the screen presence that Pike does. Voluntarily removing her from the show would be a foolish idea, IMO. Anyway... So, my thoughts: 1. The Finn thing is included, but her experience there is shown parallel to the show's events and her rescue is moved up, shortening her absence. But, this still doesn't figure in an Amyrlin causing her downfall. I guess it could be worked in somehow, but I have no ideas at the moment. I'd like to hear other's thoughts on how that could fit. 2. Siuan calls Moiraine home shortly before, or during, her deposition, and Moiraine takes the fall with Siuan. It's possible that the oath was a one episode throw-away, but it seems too intentional for me to discount. There are a myriad other ways to show the pain of their separation, but they chose this way. Moiraine's book death excuses her from the main action for. bit, so other than lining up Moiraine's book death with Siuan's deposition, this would require minimal main storyline disruption. In a way, Moiraine could take the place of Leanne, who does not have a relationship with anyone in the show so far, and who the non-book viewers are totally ignorant of anyway. (I like Leanne in the books, but we need to be practical here) In this way, Moiraine's downfall could be attributed to either Siuan or whoever the show puts in the Seat after Siuan, thus fulfilling Min's viewing. If they want Moiraine's powers to be reduced/removed in the show, this is how they could do it. From there, it wouldn't be difficult to get Moiraine back to Rand somehow. They could even presume her dead for some of this time. 3. Moiraine is not very affected by the Amyrlin in the books, whether the Amyrlin is Siuan or someone else. It's not like Moiraine was ever obeying Elaida. Moiraine gives no craps about the Amyrlin. And in the books, Moiraine has limited care for Siuan as Amyrlin either, to be honest. So there must be a reason to bring up the Amyrlin so soon after episode 6, especially since much of Moiraine's book storyline happens independently of the Amyrlin or the Tower. So, I'd have to assume that the Amyrlin/Siuan still matters in the show. 4. I mean, is the Thom thing going to happen in the show? Really? The optics of two characters being "gay for the stay" until the right man shows up is such a horrible thing that I hope is becoming part of the past. It struck me as wrong when I read the series, and seeing it on screen in 2021 would be a gut punch. Sure, it *could* happen, but should it? Even if they keep the Finn and Thom rescue, that doesn't mean Thom and Moiraine have to be a thing. Mat and Moiraine aren't a thing and he gave up a whole eye. That's gotta be worth something. I have a hard time believing that we've seen the last of Moiraine/Siuan collaborations. Even those who are not fans of the portrayal of their relationship in the show don't deny the chemistry of their characters when they're together ("together" meaning sharing the screen), and the marvelous acting. Not to see more would be a shame. Doing that for one episode in season 1 would be so cruel.
  8. Hey All, I'm creating this thread as a place we can discuss the future of the WOT TV show. This is a thread meant for constructive discussion of the future of the show and how character arcs, clues, foreshadowing, easter eggs, etc. will play out from here. This is not a thread for discussing how good or bad the writers are, when Rafe should be fired, that the show will fail, or other completely meta critiques. For example: GOOD: The show constantly powers up the women and powers down the men. This definitely conveys a strong imbalance of power between men and women in Randland. I wonder how this imbalance will be revisited in future seasons. Any thoughts/predictions on this? BAD: The show constantly powers up the women and powers down the men. This show is sexist and Rafe is a joke. Comments like this are dead-ends for the discussion and don't offer constructive criticism. If you feel compelled to post something like this, there are multiple threads in this forum in which to do so. To get the ball rolling, does anyone think we will see more of LTT's time in the AOL in future seasons? Maybe through madness-memories from Rand's perspective? I liked that the cold open from episode 8 showed a part of LTT that was absent in the books, like his paternal nature. (Yes, we know he loved/killed his family in the books, but most of his dead family members aren't talked about much beyond Ilyena.) I've always been curious to learn more about who he was as a person prior to the madness.
  9. For discussing Season 1, Episode 8 titled "The Eye of the World" Reminder: Discussion in this topic is limited to Episode 8. If your post is about the series, go to the Season 1 Discussion Topic. If your post doesn't fit in either topic, search the WoT TV show Forum for a similar Topic. If you cannot find a similar Topic, post a new one. If you are unsure, PM the moderators for help. If your post is Off-Topic, it will be moved or deleted without warning. Finally Be Respectful to each other.
  10. Yes. Was the Book stating/implying that the "gentling" regime was a discriminatory power play on the part of the AS? Or was it clearly in the camp that these madmen would destroy the World, not just the AS structure? If the latter, is Amazon shifting from that side?
  11. For discussing Season 1, Episode 7 titled "The Dark Along the Ways". Reminder: Discussion in this topic is limited to Episode 7. If your post is about the series, go to the Season 1 Discussion Topic. If your post doesn't fit in either topic, search the WoT TV show Forum for a similar Topic. If you cannot find a similar Topic, post a new one. If you are unsure, PM the moderators for help. If your post is Off-Topic, it will be moved or deleted without warning. Finally Be Respectful to each other.
  12. For discussing Season 1, Episode 6 titled "The Flame of Tar Valon". Reminder: Discussion in this topic is limited to Episode 6. If your post is about the series, go to the Season 1 Discussion Topic. If your post doesn't fit in either topic, search the WoT TV show Forum for a similar Topic. If you cannot find a similar Topic, post a new one. If you are unsure, PM the moderators for help. If your post is Off-Topic, it will be moved or deleted without warning. Finally Be Respectful to each other.
  13. Sarah is on Twitter trying to justify the shows many changes and Rafe's decision to basically try and tell his own version of WoT and largely ignore Robert Jordans books. I feel sorry for her really - she says herself she had to be 'talked off the ledge' many times.
  14. For discussing Season 1, Episode 3 titled "A Place of Safety". Book spoilers are allowed, but please keep them to no later than book 2.
  15. I wanted to start a thread for the Origins animated shorts. Thoughts? Opinions? How do they represent the books compared to the show itself? Does it make you enjoy the show more?
  16. So having pondered many comments of the community on this topic and especially the video review I will just make a point. Namely the current show path of rewriting the series pretty much wholesale is going to make the series much weaker than it should have been. The writing room has only a certain amount of creative energy. Instead of using that energy to adapt existing plot successfully to the small screen and ensure that the details (such as scene details, dialog and accents) speak to Randland, they have to spend it creating brand new storylines. that are not necessarily improving the story. I appreciate the variety of opinions on this topic. However, RJ spent a lot of time meticulously creating stories, characters, cultures and dialogs. The writing room won't be able to redo the story and keep from massive plot holes and inconsistencies.
  17. For discussing Season 1, Episode 5 titled "Blood Calls Blood". Reminder: Discussion in this topic is limited to Episode 5. If your post is about the series, go to the Season 1 Discussion Topic. If your post doesn't fit in either topic, search the WoT TV show Forum for a similar Topic. If you cannot find a similar Topic, post a new one. If you are unsure, PM the moderators for help. If your post is Off-Topic, it will be moved or deleted without warning. Finally Be Respectful to each other.
  18. After several recollections of mine became challenged regarding the source material, I felt a re-read was necessary. I'm closing in on the end of tEotW and I have indeed misremembered or flat our forgotten my fare share of details. I certainly owe a few members a retraction or two. What about you folks? Any intentional rereads out there? and if so, is it effecting your opinions of whats to come, or jogged your memory about something?
  19. I didn't see one of these yet so why not I personally have some predictions about what is to come in episodes 5-8 and am curious what other people have and gives a chance for people to state their predictions for posterity here is my complete list ... this is imported from a post I made on redit so things that read "Stuff" or "Thing" are being kept intentionally vague but I expect our DM Crowd to be able to fill in those gaps without much effort these predictions were assembled from IMDB Casting Credits, Episode Blurbs, what we have left, Episode Names and what "Makes sense to me" in going from plot point to plot point Blood Calls Blood - Perrin and Egwane are captured by Whitecloaks led by Valda, and are rescued by Nyneave, Lan and Moraine Rand and Mat Meet Loial they are going to skip over Caemlyn The Flame of Tar Valon - Mat and Rand go to Basil Gils Tavern in Tar Valon (yes you read that right) Rand and Logain Lock Eyes in Tar Valon Moraine and the Sisters face the Amirlyn Seat over the Genteling of Logain Moraine either flees the tower or is hushed out the door by Suian Moraine partially heals Mat at Basil Gils Tavern but cannot fully heal him do to Logain consequences the Crew head to the waygate outside Tar Valon (and MAYBE enter it at the end of the episode) The Dark Along the Ways- Travel the Ways and avoid Machin-Shin exit the Ways near Faldara Meet Min and Padan Fain begin massing for the Battle of Tarwins Gap Crew heads for the EotW The Eye of the World Battle for Tarwins gap EotW Stuff with the 3 guys DR is revealed to be ..... Aei Sedi Arrive at the gap from the tower Fain steals the dagger and other thing Try to format it so that each episode has its own prediction headers
  20. For discussing Season 1, Episode 4 titled "The Dragon Reborn". Reminder: Keep discussion focused on this Episode. If your post isn't about this episode, find a thread that's similar to what you're talking about, or create a new thread. Be Respectful to each other. If your posts are off-topic, they will be moved or deleted.
  21. So this isnt fantasy per say - but my thought was inspired by a post that was quite off-topic on a different thread. It has to do with about accents. Personally I would say that accents were the least of my concern in WOT adaptation since I know that when I was reading the books I probably subconsciously had them all speaking with my own "accent" / language. Also as one who is currently re-watching Star Trek TOS - pretty much every single alien species spoke flawless English. That doesnt stop Star Trek from becoming a worldwide international success over the decades. I have never heard a single debate about what accent Klingon sounds best as. How to pronounce a word in Klingon sure - but never whether Klingon used an American/British/Australian accent. And once you toss in subtitles & dubbing ... In any case hear is an article that talks about how GOT & LOTR both have pretty much mainly British accents throughout https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-17554816 I think the thing about accents in fantasy & sci-fi should be summed up in 3 quick points 1 - Apart from movies/shows that are meant to be about specific Person/event - ie say a movie about Winston Churchill where you have audio to compare to and need to have the actor sound like that person being portrayed - then expecting the actors to have a flawless accent that sounds like you yourself would speak it seems like a really odd thing to focus on. 2 - Apart from briefly speaking in their native tongue, the usual practice is for the actors to speak enough of that language to showcase it, then switch to the language that the show is based on. Take ST DS9 for a moment - Quark spoke enough Ferengi to show he was Ferengi but otherwise spoke in the language that was prevalent on DS9 - aka Federation Standard or English. 3 - I dont care about the accuracy of accents since the languages, cultures & so forth based on sci/fi & fantasy shows are artificial Having an artificial level of expectation on an artificial accent on an artificial language being the make or break of a sci/fi or fantasy show ....
  22. For discussing Season 1, Episode 1 titled "Leavetaking". Book spoilers are allowed, but please keep them to no later than book 2.
  23. The title sequence...weaves assembling, threads breaking, and the ajah depiction (minus one!). Did we also get an image of Tuon in that collection of woven feminine tapestries?
  24. Sort the answers to Q&A to get to answers quickly Edit. All of the answers here https://www.wotseries.com/2021/11/24/reddit-ama-with-rafe-judkins/
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