Safari mafia [basic] - game thread

[Niniel]

@Kaylee  I saw a post by Marsh recently when I looked for my old post. He agreed with AJ´s nonsense reason for voting Lenlo. I didn´t like it when he wrote it. Later on I have a good feeling about him though. 

[Niniel]

Btw, we are all feeling much better now. :)

[Kaylee]

  On 2/11/2018 at 3:01 PM, Niniel said:

@Kaylee  I saw a post by Marsh recently when I looked for my old post. He agreed with AJ´s nonsense reason for voting Lenlo. I didn´t like it when he wrote it. Later on I have a good feeling about him though. 

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That wad it thank you! Also glad you're feeling better. 

 

Okay that's all the time I have before I have to get ready and leave for work I'll check back when I get home tonight which by the way will be later that dinner with the family tonight

[Shad_]

  On 2/6/2018 at 8:10 PM, Ironeyes said:

This is gonna be unpopular but I disagree. Derf can be destructive as scum, sure, but he can also be self-destructive. One the >50% chance he's town I'd say to avoid lynching him early. He doesn't actually deepwolf all that often

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  On 2/6/2018 at 8:20 PM, Ironeyes said:

I misread your post. I thing it's higher upside not to lynch him because he's awesome as town and he'll eventually give himself away as scum 

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  On 2/7/2018 at 6:41 AM, Ironeyes said:

Darthe/BG/Lenlo

AJ

Amega

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  On 2/8/2018 at 12:04 AM, Ironeyes said:

I am also interested in Darthe's take on me. Or anyone else for that matter. Derf, you in this game buddy?

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  On 2/8/2018 at 12:14 AM, Ironeyes said:

Any particular reasoning why you're willing to vote me? The rest of the list seems fine; kind of a cop-out on AJ and Darthe but I get it. Some people you just can't read immediately. 

 

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  On 2/8/2018 at 12:28 AM, Ironeyes said:

Up to the end of page 16. Darthe's entrance and initial analysis sit well with me. He's being the helpful version of himself, which is usually a town signal. 

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  On 2/8/2018 at 12:30 AM, Ironeyes said:

Oh, and he town read me. Sweeeet. That's not really alignment indicative in any way, but it still feels nice. 

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  On 2/8/2018 at 8:13 PM, Ironeyes said:

We'll see how the morning shakes out, but if Cory/Shad is the kill, my WTL list becomes Amega, Arie, Darthe, BG, and Kaylee, in approximately that order. 

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  On 2/9/2018 at 9:14 PM, Ironeyes said:

I don't understand what you mean by the bold part. Also, how does Darthe dismissing early game fluff as irrelevant make him highly suspect? 

 

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  On 2/11/2018 at 5:25 AM, Ironeyes said:

Darthe is probably town, but also probably the first person I'd tinfoil on. We'll save the tinfoil for later though.

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[Shad_]

It's impossible to be sure when I can only search for words instead of all posts by a player, but @Marsh I think this is the entirety of your references to Darthe.

 

You started out sort of "give him time and he'll show", seems like you've been feeling reasonably good about him all game based on your statements and as of now you think he's a villager.  Can you explain how he ended up being your third WTL in the 2/8 3:13pm post and how your thoughts on him evolved throughout the game?

[Darthe]

  On 2/11/2018 at 4:52 AM, Shad_ said:

But let's be real Darthe.  You're sketched out because I lead a mislynch?  That's incredibly shallow given all of our experience together.  Surely you have some broader take on me.

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I can't help what I think, but I do think you just misinterpreted.  I'm saying if you got BG lynched and he was town I think you'd turn to me next.  And I think in that hypothetical you'd likely be a wolf since that would be three townies in a row.  The reason it was on my radar is because you were talking about how townie BG was earlier so I didn't expect you to ISO him over me. The reason I see it as a problem is because we're that to happen I don't think I'd be able to convince anyone that I was town and you were the wolf.

 

It's an unlikely turn of events, but it's possible.

[Darthe]

  On 2/11/2018 at 5:12 AM, Ironeyes said:

Amega started out pinging me and just...never got better. I called him out for sounding like he had an agenda, and he blew me off and proceeded on as usual. Normally when a townie pings on D1 they trend upward as the day goes on, but he never did. 

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Dammit.

 

Marsh is statistically probable as a wolf rn but I am still getting town vibes 

[Shad_]

  On 2/11/2018 at 5:12 PM, Darthe said:

I can't help what I think, but I do think you just misinterpreted.  I'm saying if you got BG lynched and he was town I think you'd turn to me next.  And I think in that hypothetical you'd likely be a wolf since that would be three townies in a row.  The reason it was on my radar is because you were talking about how townie BG was earlier so I didn't expect you to ISO him over me. The reason I see it as a problem is because we're that to happen I don't think I'd be able to convince anyone that I was town and you were the wolf.

 

It's an unlikely turn of events, but it's possible.

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Honestly I just never lynch AJ D1 there.

 

I mean, I could have lynched Lenlo instead and done nothing else differently and I would win today with ease.

 

But if it makes you feel any better, my instinct this morning was to look at Marsh, precisely because if you and BG are both town we're kind of screwed as things are trending.

[Shad_]

Darthe, thoughts on Dice so far?

[bgrishinko]

Hey Dice, good to see you!

 

This weekend has been busier than expected so sorry for the low post count. Personally I think I'm going to return to Arie again tomorrow. I'll try to elaborate more later when I can, but I still see her as the designated day 1 busser and and strong D2 voting position. 

 

I'll come back later with a ranked list. 

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  On 2/7/2018 at 2:40 AM, Andrej said:

 

I mean if it’ll make you feel better I could make some passive aggressive comments about how slow the game is. But really I’m not all that bothered by it. I didn’t expect this to be crazy active after such a long lay off and it’s not like people haven’t been participating to some degree. Kaylee has been making Kaylee like reads. Nini dropped some decent observations. Cory is being his corky self and you’re doing that slithery dance we have to do every game until we lynch a wolf and things are good. Arie has good tone. Marsh seems at ease even if his stuff about Darthe read a little weird. He’s pending reread so we’ll see. Darthe hasn’t done anything yet that made me think he was scum in a recent game where we lynched him D1 so there’s that too. I really don’t know where to place Amega yet. Lenlo hasn’t done anything notable and SK hasn’t posted at all so

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Is Marsh who you wanna lynch?

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  On 2/7/2018 at 8:42 PM, bgrishinko said:

 

Quote AJ: "Technically I killed Mufasa"

 

I think this irked me right at the beginning, I know it's an open game setup game which means trying to soft claim a type of character in a way that both comes off at a joke, but at the same time is completely ambiguous as far as alignment is concerned. It just was weird to me. I decided to look back at all AJ's posts to bring a triumphant reasoning to my first impressions....

 

Quote AJ: *see above quote*

 

Unfortunately, I think this stuck in my head and then I started mixing other people's posts with AJ's in my brain. I need to rescind my previous suspicion on AJ honestly. I don't see anything that really constitutes linking other than this post, but this is a standard read post. 

 

I need to go and re-position who is who back in my brain.

 

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  On 2/7/2018 at 10:08 PM, bgrishinko said:

Ok, so it looks like I got some of Cory's posts mixed in with AJ's. I was reading them as one person I think.

 

Quote Cory: "kaylee lock town"

 

Ok. There was even jokes about putting her in his pocket after this. So definite linking. I know later on Cory basically reported this as a strat to see how other's would perceive it and rolled it off as strat+lulz, but ultimately he locked in a partnership here that despite the explanation of his goal still exists. 

 

Quote Cory: "i also fear lenlo, in the sense that when im a villager im scared hes also a villager"

 

Jokingly Linking.

 

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  On 2/7/2018 at 10:31 PM, bgrishinko said:

 

Yeah, see that's the point though. Even as a joke, its a manipulative strat to get on someone's good side. So let's play out if Kaylee is town then since the majority seem to agree on that for now. 

 

As town: You are legit just joking around. Whatever. See what can be gleamed from it. This is what you claim.

 

As mafia: You see a strong town vibe and maybe sense that people will rally around her. Get her on your good side and you are gold. Or Maybe she has some incorrect views you wish to propagate by NKing her and letting those opinions hang forever. 

 

Either way, the cost benefit of your actions are higher as mafia, and so statistically there's a better chance your actions are motivated by this. 

 

In a basic game though, in my opinion, the only major reason for deceit is to be mafia. Town that tries to get too tricky in a basic game generally just muddies things up more often than not.

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[Shad_]

  On 2/7/2018 at 9:56 AM, bgrishinko said:

Shad and Andraj (AJ?)are currently top of my list. Just minor day 1 instincts. Shad feels like he's playing behind a persona with a specific goal in mind. Andraj seems like he's trying to set up relationships and connections to justify any actions or votes that may come through. But I might be reading too much into it this early. 

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[dicetosser1]

  On 2/7/2018 at 8:08 PM, Arie said:

Yeah... I'm definitely gunning for Cory next round... A vote for AJ is as useful as a hole in the head at this stage of the phase. :P

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  On 2/7/2018 at 8:15 PM, Arie said:

Your chances on Lenlo being a villager is better than AJ being a wolf. :D

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Arie REALLY didnt like AJ getting voted

 

 

  On 2/7/2018 at 8:33 PM, Arie said:

(this is me encouraging the bad man, and going off topic....)

 

(this is me going back on topic).. And I am now locked in my vote. I gtg to work with the head bosses visiting so I won't be able to check for a long while... (whee) Catch you on the flip!

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here she says im locked in on lenlo wont be back for a long while

 

  On 2/7/2018 at 8:44 PM, Arie said:

Unvote

Vote AJ. 

 

There. Hope you're right, Cory.

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changers vote  no real reason

 

 

oh and a long while was 11 minutes.

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Ok BG, walk me through this.

 

You were originally bothered that AJ was " trying to set up relationships and connections to justify any actions or votes that may come through".

 

Over a confuddled sequence of posts you realized that you actually meant Cory, pulled up a few posts where he joked around with people, and basically in a long-winded way accused him of trying to pocket them and set the narrative.

 

If you are town, help me understand where this is a coherent sequence.  You picked out the one AJ post quoted above and said ok well I guess he was only really doing it here.  I'm not really seeing any correlation between AJ's first reads list and Cory say, telling Kaylee to get into his pocket, in terms of them doing the same thing.

 

Can you explain all of this in a way that clarifies what about AJ and Cory's behaviors were similar in the quotes you snipped?

 

You said "In a basic game though, in my opinion, the only major reason for deceit is to be mafia."  What were you referring to as being deceitful?

 

I think I might see a thread binding it all together, but it's very vague to me.  I'm not sure if you're just being extraordinarily wordy to explain one-liner thoughts like "Cory might be pocketing Kaylee here" or what is going on.

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  On 2/11/2018 at 8:14 PM, dicetosser1 said:

oh and a long while was 11 minutes.

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Good catch; Cory didn't actually say he was fine with votes on Lenlo until after she switched, so I got that part backwards.

 

I suppose that weakens my town case on her slightly in so far as she might have felt less comfortable sitting on her vote.

 

Unless Cory said it more than once but lol finding posts in this game

[Shad_]

Also @BG considering the depth and length to which you read into introductory jokes, I'm really surprised you weren't bothered by me claiming wolf like a half dozen times.  Was something different about that for you?

[Shad_]

zzzzz

[Shad_]

Only so much digging I can really do.  I need suspects to post heh

[Shad_]

I think what happens in these games is a lump of content is generated and then people look back on it and state how they feel, produce a read list to reflect that, and it's kind of like..... ok well I hope this is right.

 

I try to constantly ask questions, and some of them are kind of dumb and some of them are never realistically going to go anywhere, but we have to continually produce new material if we want to progress.

 

Maybe the standing POE is great and we can all walk off into the sunset.  Stagnation certainly doesn't prove it wrong.  Just work to avoid that mad late-game scramble if things don't turn out as we'd ideally envisioned them.

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  On 2/11/2018 at 6:09 PM, bgrishinko said:

I'll try to elaborate more later when I can, but I still see her as the designated day 1 busser and and strong D2 voting position. 
 

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Let's be clear on one thing.  There wasn't a designated D1 busser.  No one said in scum chat "AJ goes down in the first and we walk out of it smelling like roses."  That's not how most players wolf and that's certainly not how AJ wolfs.  Their goal is to lynch villagers, not put on fancy theatrics.

 

It's important in a bigger picture.  Could Arie have bussed?  Certainly.  She comes from a different community with different trends and it might have been her natural inclination to chuck one on him the minute she saw him gaining some traction.  But there was no master plan to this.

 

Or she could just be a villager.  Honestly I really wish she was locked in at this point because I think if she's town she could be.  She continues to address the field in a really natural way that strikes me as honest and off-the-cuff.  I don't see her really questioning people to develop a better understanding of her reads, and that's my lingering concern that keeps her out of the top tier town pile.

 

It goes back to the more proactive we all are, the more opportunities we produce for the wolves to slip up or slank out.

[Darthe]

  On 2/11/2018 at 5:27 PM, Shad_ said:

Darthe, thoughts on Dice so far?

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He is town.  I'm sure.

 

Imo bg is a wolf.

[Shad_]

Kaylee's great and Niniel was great before she got sick and Dice hit the ground running.

[Darthe]

So we have a high effort wolf.  Good, mean the game can't be resolved on what is base.

[Shad_]

  On 2/11/2018 at 10:32 PM, Darthe said:

So we have a high effort wolf.  Good, mean the game can't be resolved on what is base.

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I don't know that I would say that.  /shrug

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anyway glgl if I'm dead in half an hour