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Rand after the Last Battle

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Rand doesn't care a whit about his previous power,he returned from the last battle with the ability to alter reality, his powers evolved,in my opinion,he is even more powerful now,so who needs channeling?

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Post last battle,rand is definitely not in dream reality.

This is probably true, but I dislike the 'ability to alter reality' ending. It feels like the 'price' paid in the Last Battle was comparatively little, even ignoring Game of Thrones, there are larger consequences in Harry Potter and Enders Game :unsure:

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It was never about power. The one force is like a drug. No more being able to consume that drug leaves you pretty sad and longing for it and simply replacing it with another drug (or not even that since altering reality doesn't necessarily have that joy effect) won't change that. If he could, he would defenitely want his ability to channel back.

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Rand doesn't have the after affects that come from being gentled as Logain (who afaict was depressed/suicidal if not immediately then very soon after), equally Siuain and Leane were depressed immediately afterwards. The closest we see in the books is Setalle, who when we meet her is resigned, and even relieved that she couldn't be healed (according to the wiki) and that's after 25 years.

 

What we know is that rand does not regret or apparently feel any negative effects from being burned out, I don't think he'd want it back even given the choice

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Post last battle,rand is definitely not in dream reality.

This is probably true, but I dislike the 'ability to alter reality' ending. It feels like the 'price' paid in the Last Battle was comparatively little, even ignoring Game of Thrones, there are larger consequences in Harry Potter and Enders Game :unsure:
Little? 3/4 of all borderland men are dead, the Aiel lost all their leaders (excluding the wise ones, of course), the Aes Sedai lost half their sisters, the ogier gave up their peace.... Whatever happened to Rand, to many people sacrificed too much to call these sacrifices little.

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Post last battle,rand is definitely not in dream reality.

This is probably true, but I dislike the 'ability to alter reality' ending. It feels like the 'price' paid in the Last Battle was comparatively little, even ignoring Game of Thrones, there are larger consequences in Harry Potter and Enders Game :unsure:
Little? 3/4 of all borderland men are dead, the Aiel lost all their leaders (excluding the wise ones, of course), the Aes Sedai lost half their sisters, the ogier gave up their peace.... Whatever happened to Rand, to many people sacrificed too much to call these sacrifices little.

That's fair, but on the other hand we don't know them, the emotional impact of lots of people who haven't really affected the story dying is relatively small. And at the end the hero rides into the sunset with no apparent lasting impacts :unsure:

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That's your personal opinion. Deaths like those of Hurin, Ruarc or Egwene really gave me chills.

I think RJ mixed tragic and happy ending to please everyone. You can't expect him to kill off a character after announcing his death from day one. That would be soooo boring.

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That's your personal opinion. Deaths like those of Hurin, Ruarc or Egwene really gave me chills.

I think RJ mixed tragic and happy ending to please everyone. You can't expect him to kill off a character after announcing his death from day one. That would be soooo boring.

I don't mean to imply that it's anything other than an opinion

 

Yet of the thousands of deaths you refer to three that we knew because in the context of the books those are the ones that matter most

 

Of those three Rhuarc was the most emotional/impactful for me, because he lost everything he was before he died, and it's this type of thing that I ~wanted more of

 

There were emotional points in the last battle (and not all of them involve loss, Olver blowing the horn is an example) but too many happened off screen for me

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On a different note it's possible that Rands acceptance of the loss of his channeling is affected by the threads of gold that countered the taint in his brain :unsure:

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It's more than acceptance of loss,i urge you to reread the last 3 pages of a memory of light,rand is carefree and extremely happy,there isn't a shred of doubt or unhappiness in his mind,and yes,at the end our legendary hero rides into the sunset with a new body,bag of gold and a good sword...*grinning*.

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The wonder girls don't even feel any pain/loss that would be associated with being gentled/severed/ etc.  So it's not like he is feeling the loss like his arm and simply accepts it.

 

Few facts we know.

Channeling is tied to the soul

He could still channel after stepping back into reality

He didn't die since his connection to the wonder girls is still there, and they don't feel any loss that would be associated to losing him.

So whatever happened to him occurred after he sealed the DO and the big flash of light,.

The body swap was occurring as he carried Ishy out of the cave and was laying on the ground when the strange lady appeared.  But didn't seem like Rand was in any condition to be actively doing it. 

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According to this mysterious woman,rand was doing..well,something "yes,a woman whispered,he(rand)did not recognize the voice.yes,that's good,that is what you need to do".rand certainly wasn't doing anything physical,but he was doing something with his mind?

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The wonder girls don't even feel any pain/loss that would be associated with being gentled/severed/ etc.  So it's not like he is feeling the loss like his arm and simply accepts it.

 

Few facts we know.

Channeling is tied to the soul

He could still channel after stepping back into reality

He didn't die since his connection to the wonder girls is still there, and they don't feel any loss that would be associated to losing him.

So whatever happened to him occurred after he sealed the DO and the big flash of light,.

The body swap was occurring as he carried Ishy out of the cave and was laying on the ground when the strange lady appeared.  But didn't seem like Rand was in any condition to be actively doing it. 

What makes you think it was occurring as he carried Moridin out of the cave, and not while still inside? Are you basing that on what Nakomi said about that being what he must do (swap body)? Because if so, I took her comment to mean he's doing what he's suppose to do with carrying the other body out.

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I think people get too hung up on Channeling and forget that it is not the only kind of magic in the Wheel of Time universe.

 

The Horn of Valere does not require channeling.

 

The Portal Stones predate the Age of Legends (when Channeling was discovered).

 

Ogier come from another world (how? where?) and in their steddings, the One Power does not seem to exist. The same thing occurs at Shayol Ghul.

 

Neither Dreamwalkers nor Wolfbrothers are tied to Channeling.

 

Bubbles of Evil does not require Channeling.

 

The effects of the Dragon Reborn upon the land does not require Channeling. Rand did not channel when he turned an entire orchard of withered apple trees into trees laden with fruits.

 

The effects of Ta'veren has nothing to do with Channeling.

 

How did Rand light that pipe? No one knows, but it's certainly not unprecedented. The books had been hinting at magic older than the Aes Sedai throughout.

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