The Mafia Parable: Basic Game OVER

[LedZepMan]

Ok. Quick list, off the top o me head. If I'm wrong in any of this, feel free to correct me.

 

Verbal- town, however, not sure I like that he missed EoD. I understand getting busy. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

Adella- Was my top scum pick. Vig claim has me second guessing. Would like to prove her innocence tonight.

 

Rand- ? Was my top town pick, we picked up on the same thing concerning Hallia/Adella in regards to Verbals pole at Ben. Obviously wrong about Hallia, could very well be wrong about Adella. Do I think eager mafioso hopping on something, or town searching in the wrong direction? I haven't made up my mind yet. This will probably be the focus of my reread.

 

Ben- something about you is off. Probably just the camping. Also, didn't like you being away at EoD. I would like to see a current thought process from you when you catch-up please and thank ya. Null read

 

Nyn- angers me. Jury's out on her verdict, as I'm not seeing with clear vision regarding her alignment.

 

SK- what few posts you have are very logical and in depth. Never played with you, don't know ya. I'm inclined to think you're town.

 

Clov- nothing has struck me either way in this regard. It's almost like his posts slide away from my attention like a Grey Man does to the eye. Need to focus on his posts too on my reread.

 

DPR- at first I was thinking vig, now not too sure. Wouldn't mind seeing him deaded. Might have a point about Rand, or not.

 

Sooh- I just don't know. Her posts haven't stuck out to me much either, similar to Clov's.

 

I feel like I'm missing someone........

 

 

Anyway. I'd be ok with a Wes, Sooh, Clov, or even myself kill to prove Adellas innocence tonight.

[Ironeyes]

It's me you're missing. ^^^

[Sooh]

I wish I knew what Adella was going to do. Right now I don't know what to do. 

[DPR]

I wish I knew what Adella was going to do. Right now I don't know what to do. 

 

 

I'm not understanding the point of this post?

[Adella]

Wow, I slept in super late this morning... I'm going to submit my kill. It's pretty evenly split on whether people think I should call it or not, but I'm gonna do it.

 

I may be wrong but what LZM said last night is still really bothering me, so he is my Target tonight. Here's hoping I'm right.

[LedZepMan]

Not scum. But I hope it proves your innocence.

[RandA lThor]

 

 

Very quickly as I am sleepy and promised to post I am opposed to adella shooting whomever she wishes. We as a town should control the kills. I am concerned most recently that on one hand Ledzepman is pushing on Adella but then says shoot whomever. I think Adella should be considered semi confirmed town with the claim alone. It is highly unlikely scum would claim vig day 1 if they would claim at all.Someone in thread had an idea about all three vigs claiming. As a general rule of thumb I am opposed to this if the game has not already been broken or if a player has an idea to break the game. The set up itself seems volatile, with mafia or town potentially winning over night. To be clear I am advocating vigs don't shoot. It's not that I don't trust you guys, but that I am confident if this were a all vanilla game we would win hands down. What's more, in this game the special thing is 3 people can be considered clear if they all claim that is.

 

With all that in mind I can see the general tone of this game/town. That it is expected Adella and all the vigs shoot, or am I misunderstanding? I incline to you my learned colleagues. I was also surprised with the whole everyone can talk at night thing, but it is a huge boon for town if utilized properly in my opinion. My reads have changed significantly. And I have not looked at sooh any which way. My exciting town read is Rand, Adella is my non-exciting town read. Nyn I am putting that read on pause for now. So that's 3 townies already. A decent town bloc. tomorrow we can maybe reveal who are vigilantes and get hopefully get two more into our town bloc.

 

Misc: Is there a way to look at someones individual posts?

 

@Ben: I don't recall you ever voting anyone. Who would you vote now that Hallia has fipped town and why.

 

@DPR: Has anything changed for your read on rand? Why or Why not. Just refer me to a post of your updated reads if you posted one.

 

@ Adella and Rand: What do you think of sooh and/or Ironeyes. If you posted your reads already I am gonna eventually see them so just refer me to the post.

 

Finally @Adella I can't stop you from shooting, though I would rather you didn't I only ask you shoot someone who is not in our town bloc. Don't shoot someone you have a read on as that is extremely poor play. Shoot someone who you do not have a read on and it narrows down the people who are suspcious and solidifies reads. Also do you still think Nyn is town if you do we can put her as solid town in our town bloc. Oh I almost forgot wanna form a town bloc? haha. My plan doesn't work if no one agrees to it so up to you guys. If it were up to me all vigs would be revelead and shoot at the same night designated targets.

 

I sleep for now my lovelies and read the rest of the thread tomorrow when I wake up. I stay busy though, so apologies if I am missed. Catching up to the thread is slightly difficult for me I like to read what a single player posted if I see something that piques my interest but that seemed very illogical to skip through the pages control f-ing a player name everytime. I realize not all the people in my town bloc town read each other, but that is my next step in my super awesome town bloc win the game plan.

 

@ the bolded. Normally scum wouldn't claim vig D1, but if you were tied for the lynch wouldn't you claim to get people off ya? I would.

 

 

I don't see a need for ScumAdella to claim Vig D1 - it just takes her out of the shooting pool for the real Vigs, increasing the odds of scum getting shot. Too dicey. Plus, she claimed kinda early, before the standard DL shuffle, and Hally was still being discussed enough to where there was reasonable enough expectation of shifting that vote without a reveal. Which is allot say that Adellas reveal felt more like a solo player move, without the council of teammates, if that makes sense.

 

I expect she'll make a call and we'll have 2 db's in the am. 

 

Adella definitely did not claim early, it was nearing DL and she was, iirc, tied with Hally for the most votes.  If she claimed later she risked there not being enough people around on DL to switch votes, since there were like 4 people there around DL.

 

 

I think Adella SHOULD call out who she's planning on shooting, since there's a chance she'll shoot one of the other vigs. How is she going to prove herself by shooting another vig if that is indeed what she is?

 

 

Agreed that she definitely has to call her shot. No proof in it otherwise, which does nothing for the town.

 

Since you are among her possible shots, it's be helpful for you (and everyone) to give an updated reads list (and include any ties you see, even if they seem insignificant... just label them as such). 

 

Did no one fucking read the post I made, if she calls out who she's going to hit, then mafia knows whether or not they can risk a no kill or not, this is ridiculous.  Not a good look at all.

 

 

 

Very quickly as I am sleepy and promised to post I am opposed to adella shooting whomever she wishes. We as a town should control the kills. I am concerned most recently that on one hand Ledzepman is pushing on Adella but then says shoot whomever. I think Adella should be considered semi confirmed town with the claim alone. It is highly unlikely scum would claim vig day 1 if they would claim at all.Someone in thread had an idea about all three vigs claiming. As a general rule of thumb I am opposed to this if the game has not already been broken or if a player has an idea to break the game. The set up itself seems volatile, with mafia or town potentially winning over night. To be clear I am advocating vigs don't shoot. It's not that I don't trust you guys, but that I am confident if this were a all vanilla game we would win hands down. What's more, in this game the special thing is 3 people can be considered clear if they all claim that is.

 

With all that in mind I can see the general tone of this game/town. That it is expected Adella and all the vigs shoot, or am I misunderstanding? I incline to you my learned colleagues. I was also surprised with the whole everyone can talk at night thing, but it is a huge boon for town if utilized properly in my opinion. My reads have changed significantly. And I have not looked at sooh any which way. My exciting town read is Rand, Adella is my non-exciting town read. Nyn I am putting that read on pause for now. So that's 3 townies already. A decent town bloc. tomorrow we can maybe reveal who are vigilantes and get hopefully get two more into our town bloc.

 

Misc: Is there a way to look at someones individual posts?

 

@Ben: I don't recall you ever voting anyone. Who would you vote now that Hallia has fipped town and why.

 

@DPR: Has anything changed for your read on rand? Why or Why not. Just refer me to a post of your updated reads if you posted one.

 

@ Adella and Rand: What do you think of sooh and/or Ironeyes. If you posted your reads already I am gonna eventually see them so just refer me to the post.

 

Finally @Adella I can't stop you from shooting, though I would rather you didn't I only ask you shoot someone who is not in our town bloc. Don't shoot someone you have a read on as that is extremely poor play. Shoot someone who you do not have a read on and it narrows down the people who are suspcious and solidifies reads. Also do you still think Nyn is town if you do we can put her as solid town in our town bloc. Oh I almost forgot wanna form a town bloc? haha. My plan doesn't work if no one agrees to it so up to you guys. If it were up to me all vigs would be revelead and shoot at the same night designated targets.

 

I sleep for now my lovelies and read the rest of the thread tomorrow when I wake up. I stay busy though, so apologies if I am missed. Catching up to the thread is slightly difficult for me I like to read what a single player posted if I see something that piques my interest but that seemed very illogical to skip through the pages control f-ing a player name everytime. I realize not all the people in my town bloc town read each other, but that is my next step in my super awesome town bloc win the game plan.

 

@ the bolded. Normally scum wouldn't claim vig D1, but if you were tied for the lynch wouldn't you claim to get people off ya? I would.

 

 

The problem with that is the Vig has to produce and to avoid the obvious conflict, another Vig has to take a secret shot. I don't see a mafia team depending on that on N1. Plus, if she did fake claim and we only get one kill (her call) then she is the obvious lynch and we start D2 with the info that the coroner report provides, along with the info that comes with knowing she's scum. That would be terrible handicap for the scum team to try and overcome. 

 

 

Wow, I slept in super late this morning... I'm going to submit my kill. It's pretty evenly split on whether people think I should call it or not, but I'm gonna do it.

 

I may be wrong but what LZM said last night is still really bothering me, so he is my Target tonight. Here's hoping I'm right.

:| Did you not read my post either

 

 

 

 

So, who's Adella shooting?

 

That's what we're trying to decide Sooh.  Marsh and I have given full breakdowns of people we'd be good with shooting/wouldn't care/and don't want shot, we're waiting for others. LZM came in and said Nyn.  Ideally we can get input as fast as possible so we can reach an actual decision.

 

 

I think Adella should decide for herself, personally.  That makes it harder for mafia to manipulate, and it makes it easier to hold her accountable if results suggest she's lying.

 

I disagree, we obviously have a majority right now, plus if we get people to out who they want to kill, and we get that flip in the morning, its also more information than if Adella just shoots someone randomly.

 

 

 

 

So, who's Adella shooting?

 

That's what we're trying to decide Sooh.  Marsh and I have given full breakdowns of people we'd be good with shooting/wouldn't care/and don't want shot, we're waiting for others. LZM came in and said Nyn.  Ideally we can get input as fast as possible so we can reach an actual decision.

 

 

I think Adella should decide for herself, personally.  That makes it harder for mafia to manipulate, and it makes it easier to hold her accountable if results suggest she's lying.

 

 

 

Agreed.

 

Look above, and its worrying me that this is getting support, I honestly don't see how mafia could influence it this strongly.  Sure they have the ability to coordinate, but if they push too strongly and try to coordinate, then it'll be obvious when that person gets killed and flips town.

 

To clarify, I got distracted by my mini tunnel on Rand. 

Marsh is moving more and more towards my town reads, scum are less likely to admit that they were doing something like tunneling, or even use that word, because it gives town easy ammo.

 

Comes off a bit defensive. 

 

It's only N1 - town is calm, cool and collected. Not pointing out how people "should have done things". 

 

But that's just me collecting points. 

 

Why did that response form Rand cool your jets? Let's be honest - you had to stick your neck out a bit to say you agreed with me. That implied (to me) that you felt strongly about your view.  His response to your question wasn't strong, and you folded without even following up with him. 

How was my response not strong?  It basically logically took away the argument he was presenting.  Unless you have a counter argument?

 

 

Ok, now I'm not sure what to do, it seems pretty split on whether people are going to support me for picking my own kill, or for letting the town vote on it... at this point I'm pretty sure the mafia are going to lynch me for one or the other.

 

The paranoia has fully set it.

It's your shot to take, and it doesn't look like anyone has a strong town read on Sooh, and that's who you said you're going to shoot, so unless there is a reason not to (and "Yeah guys, don't shoot me" IS a great reason, ), then I say go ahead and shoot her.

 

At this point in my catch up I agreed that Sooh wouldn't be a bad shot.  I'll talk later about that and how my opinion changed though.

 

I say the other two vigs holster tonight, and if there aren't two kills tonight we kill Adella tomorrow

because i guess everyone didn't see that, all vigs pretty much have to holster to help town, multiple shots, especially if there's only one more shot by a vig tonight, could make us think that Adella is confirmed when she's really mafia.  Please do not shoot.

 

 

I say the other two vigs holster tonight, and if there aren't two kills tonight we kill Adella tomorrow

This actually has me thinking. I see huge potential for LZM to be scum here. If he is mafia and said this, he could easily convince his teammates to holster so they could Lynch me.

 

The worst part is that he doesn't even consider I may hit mafia, which is really a point in Sooh's favor. Anyone else think this may be a scum slip? He accidentally pointed out that Sooh has no possibility of flipping scum, while trying to set up a mislynch for D2?

 

Wanted to comment on something separate here, but I just realized that if you're targeting mafia, then mafia can't "no kill and try to get the mislynch".  More importantly, if mafia doesn't know who you're shooting, then they can't risk the no kill, because then, if they no kill, and one of them is dead, they're at a very significant disadvantage because they'll be down to 2, and we'll have you as confirmed town for the whole round.  So @Adella, please don't tell us who you're going to shoot.  I know you said Sooh, but try to take into account the reads of other people in this thread, and some popular scum/null reads, and think about shooting them as well and pick someone randomly enough so that mafia won't know who you're killing.  If we do that, we can negate their entire no kill and lynch you strat (assuming you're town of course).

 

Very quickly as I am sleepy and promised to post I am opposed to adella shooting whomever she wishes. We as a town should control the kills. I am concerned most recently that on one hand Ledzepman is pushing on Adella but then says shoot whomever. I think Adella should be considered semi confirmed town with the claim alone. It is highly unlikely scum would claim vig day 1 if they would claim at all. Someone in thread had an idea about all three vigs claiming. As a general rule of thumb I am opposed to this if the game has not already been broken or if a player has an idea to break the game. The set up itself seems volatile, with mafia or town potentially winning over night. To be clear I am advocating vigs don't shoot. It's not that I don't trust you guys, but that I am confident if this were a all vanilla game we would win hands down. What's more, in this game the special thing is 3 people can be considered clear if they all claim that is.

 

With all that in mind I can see the general tone of this game/town. That it is expected Adella and all the vigs shoot, or am I misunderstanding? I incline to you my learned colleagues. I was also surprised with the whole everyone can talk at night thing, but it is a huge boon for town if utilized properly in my opinion. My reads have changed significantly. And I have not looked at sooh any which way. My exciting town read is Rand, Adella is my non-exciting town read. Nyn I am putting that read on pause for now. So that's 3 townies already. A decent town bloc. tomorrow we can maybe reveal who are vigilantes and get hopefully get two more into our town bloc.

 

Misc: Is there a way to look at someones individual posts?

 

@Ben: I don't recall you ever voting anyone. Who would you vote now that Hallia has fipped town and why.

 

@DPR: Has anything changed for your read on rand? Why or Why not. Just refer me to a post of your updated reads if you posted one.

 

@ Adella and Rand: What do you think of sooh and/or Ironeyes. If you posted your reads already I am gonna eventually see them so just refer me to the post.

 

Finally @Adella I can't stop you from shooting, though I would rather you didn't I only ask you shoot someone who is not in our town bloc. Don't shoot someone you have a read on as that is extremely poor play. Shoot someone who you do not have a read on and it narrows down the people who are suspcious and solidifies reads. Also do you still think Nyn is town if you do we can put her as solid town in our town bloc. Oh I almost forgot wanna form a town bloc? haha. My plan doesn't work if no one agrees to it so up to you guys. If it were up to me all vigs would be revelead and shoot at the same night designated targets.

 

I sleep for now my lovelies and read the rest of the thread tomorrow when I wake up. I stay busy though, so apologies if I am missed. Catching up to the thread is slightly difficult for me I like to read what a single player posted if I see something that piques my interest but that seemed very illogical to skip through the pages control f-ing a player name everytime. I realize not all the people in my town bloc town read each other, but that is my next step in my super awesome town bloc win the game plan.

 

I have Marsh as a town read, sooh as a null.

 

Bolded the relevant part in my earlier post.  Don't like the fact that DPR and Adella completely ignored this.

 

Ok. Quick list, off the top o me head. If I'm wrong in any of this, feel free to correct me.

 

Verbal- town, however, not sure I like that he missed EoD. I understand getting busy. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

Adella- Was my top scum pick. Vig claim has me second guessing. Would like to prove her innocence tonight.

 

Rand- ? Was my top town pick, we picked up on the same thing concerning Hallia/Adella in regards to Verbals pole at Ben. Obviously wrong about Hallia, could very well be wrong about Adella. Do I think eager mafioso hopping on something, or town searching in the wrong direction? I haven't made up my mind yet. This will probably be the focus of my reread.

 

Ben- something about you is off. Probably just the camping. Also, didn't like you being away at EoD. I would like to see a current thought process from you when you catch-up please and thank ya. Null read

 

Nyn- angers me. Jury's out on her verdict, as I'm not seeing with clear vision regarding her alignment.

 

SK- what few posts you have are very logical and in depth. Never played with you, don't know ya. I'm inclined to think you're town.

 

Clov- nothing has struck me either way in this regard. It's almost like his posts slide away from my attention like a Grey Man does to the eye. Need to focus on his posts too on my reread.

 

DPR- at first I was thinking vig, now not too sure. Wouldn't mind seeing him deaded. Might have a point about Rand, or not.

 

Sooh- I just don't know. Her posts haven't stuck out to me much either, similar to Clov's.

 

I feel like I'm missing someone........

 

 

Anyway. I'd be ok with a Wes, Sooh, Clov, or even myself kill to prove Adellas innocence tonight.

 

Also, I have no idea what to make of this, but its really weird that you're fine with yourself dying? As town, that would be a terrible move.  Not only because it might get rid of town, but if you and Adella are town, then scum could no kill, force us onto Adella, and then have us get two townies out of the game essentially automatically, because then we're back at night.  That is a hugeeee disadvantage.

[RandA lThor]

Also I'd like to point out that I hate the LZM pick, did anyone besides Adella have a scum read on him?

[Nynaeve]

I just find him annoying but him mentioning halli's breadcrumb as scum seems???. If the halli/adella trains were both town there wasnt much of a reason to try to pull votes off of hallia... It doesnt even make sense from a pr pov cause she was going down anyhow. I guess it could have been done to look good but what she said early on was so blatant that pointing it out wasnt really gonna earn him that much credit wise.

[Nynaeve]

From a pr hunting pov*

[Nynaeve]

Im not a huge fan of her claiming her shot. I get why it's argued for but i dont like giving scum info they don't have. And like i mentioned, there's the possibility of a crossfire with scum's nk as they vig hunt...if the vig ends being wrong. Which minimizes town loses.

 

 

My two cents... not that it matters atp.

[RandA lThor]

Im not a huge fan of her claiming her shot. I get why it's argued for but i dont like giving scum info they don't have. And like i mentioned, there's the possibility of a crossfire with scum's nk as they vig hunt...if the vig ends being wrong. Which minimizes town loses.

 

 

My two cents... not that it matters atp.

 

Just so I know that I'm not going crazy, did you read my point on why it'd be absolutely anti-town to claim who you were going to shoot?  Because it seems like no one has lol

[Adella]

I did read your post but I also read other people saying it's an issue if I don't call it. I didn't listen to one person specifically, since it seemed to be pretty split and I have no idea specifically which side of that scum prefers.

 

So I went with my gut instead.

[DPR]

Rand, why do you keep pushing the idea that scum will skip their NK? We have a lynch every day and 3 vig shots - the chances of them skipping a kill are zero. I'd consider the possibility of you just being misguided except that you keep making a point to use profanity, which comes across as staged, which leads me further to believe you're not town.

 

Regardless, if you're not careful, you'll get your mouth washed out with soap and sent to bed with no dinner. Now go do your homework.

[DPR]

 

Im not a huge fan of her claiming her shot. I get why it's argued for but i dont like giving scum info they don't have. And like i mentioned, there's the possibility of a crossfire with scum's nk as they vig hunt...if the vig ends being wrong. Which minimizes town loses.

 

 

My two cents... not that it matters atp.

 

Just so I know that I'm not going crazy, did you read my point on why it'd be absolutely anti-town to claim who you were going to shoot?  Because it seems like no one has lol

 

 

Yeah...

[Adella]

Rand, why do you keep pushing the idea that scum will skip their NK? We have a lynch every day and 3 vig shots - the chances of them skipping a kill are zero. I'd consider the possibility of you just being misguided except that you keep making a point to use profanity, which comes across as staged, which leads me further to believe you're not town.

 

Regardless, if you're not careful, you'll get your mouth washed out with soap and sent to bed with no dinner. Now go do your homework.

I find it interesting that you're not going to point out his use of profanity now along with his early hesitation over the pg-13 rule...

[DPR]

Im not a huge fan of her claiming her shot. I get why it's argued for but i dont like giving scum info they don't have. And like i mentioned, there's the possibility of a crossfire with scum's nk as they vig hunt...if the vig ends being wrong. Which minimizes town loses.

 

 

My two cents... not that it matters atp.

 

What does it matter that scum knows who she's going to shoot? They can't block it.

 

The bold just makes no sense at all from a town pov - no info is the worst outcome at this point, not to mention the same possibility of wasting town shots.

[DPR]

 

Rand, why do you keep pushing the idea that scum will skip their NK? We have a lynch every day and 3 vig shots - the chances of them skipping a kill are zero. I'd consider the possibility of you just being misguided except that you keep making a point to use profanity, which comes across as staged, which leads me further to believe you're not town.

 

Regardless, if you're not careful, you'll get your mouth washed out with soap and sent to bed with no dinner. Now go do your homework.

I find it interesting that you're not going to point out his use of profanity now along with his early hesitation over the pg-13 rule...

 

 

Do you even read bruh?

 

Do you find the bold interesting?

[Nynaeve]

I dont think scum skip their nk personally. They need kills before the vigs come forward and are essentially confirmed town. So their priority would be nks, vig hunting and if possible, misdirecting the vigs onto townies.

[Nynaeve]

Obviously mislynches too but that goes witjout saying. I just think it would be thick to skip a nk to achieve a mislynch

[Nynaeve]

As the saying goes.... why not both?

[DPR]

I dont think scum skip their nk personally. They need kills before the vigs come forward and are essentially confirmed town. So their priority would be nks, vig hunting and if possible, misdirecting the vigs onto townies.

 

You never said they would skip their NK - that's Rand - and that's not the question I asked you. Please answer the bolded question below.

 

 

Im not a huge fan of her claiming her shot. I get why it's argued for but i dont like giving scum info they don't have. And like i mentioned, there's the possibility of a crossfire with scum's nk as they vig hunt...if the vig ends being wrong. Which minimizes town loses.

 

 

My two cents... not that it matters atp.

 

What does it matter that scum knows who she's going to shoot? They can't block it.

 

The bold just makes no sense at all from a town pov - no info is the worst outcome at this point, not to mention the same possibility of wasting town shots.

 

[Nynaeve]

You asked ne a question?

[DPR]

Interesting choice of responses. Not what I would have picked, but hey, it's your play...

[Nynaeve]

 

Im not a huge fan of her claiming her shot. I get why it's argued for but i dont like giving scum info they don't have. And like i mentioned, there's the possibility of a crossfire with scum's nk as they vig hunt...if the vig ends being wrong. Which minimizes town loses.

 

 

My two cents... not that it matters atp.

What does it matter that scum knows who she's going to shoot? They can't block it.

 

The bold just makes no sense at all from a town pov - no info is the worst outcome at this point, not to mention the same possibility of wasting town shots.

There are three one time vigs this game. It's certain. Her claim is self resolving either way just via the amount of hardclaims. Two shots tonight helps vet her but that can happen without her claiming her shot so i dont see the point.

 

Like i said, i was once shot by both scum and vig. So instead of two town deaths there was one. If you cant see the benefit in that, i dont know what to tell you.

 

Thirdly as of rule i dont like divulging info to scum. I dont really care if you disagree with me or not. That's just how i feel.