[Game thread]Magic The Gathering

[Adella]

 

 

Please explain how a doc revealing could possibly benefit town.

I just did.

 

BFG has a claim on the table that has to be true if there is no doc, ergo if we are going to lynch her we should first confirm whether there is a doc, because if there is not then she is telling the truth.

 

Since we are not lynching her today it is now irrelevant, but if we were going to I believe that is the optimal play under those circumstances. Chances of actually outing a town PR are low because there probably is no doc because the cop died. Moreover the doc is low utility at this point because the cop died. Vs wasting a lynch on a Survivor who we could just sideline.

Again. Doc revealing doesn't make her claim false.

 

And no doc revealing doesn't make it true, or even mean there isn't a doc.

 

There are even ways that her claim could be false without a doc. Scum could have not shot for #reasons

 

It's possible that Sooh counted Darthe as their kill. It's possible they just didn't get their kill in, or targeted Darthe and didn't get a chance to change.

That's what I've been thinking. There is no reason for a cop to reveal.

[Shanti]

 

I don't know why this irks me....but when DPR is proving Shad's scumminess, he gives reasons, quotes, etc....

 

When dice is asked about Shad's scumminess, he mentioned the wolf's head once, but the entire ordeal with nyn discredited his take on who would or wouldn't post a wolf's head as scum. He just says... Shad is scum. From what I can see (it may be somewhere in the 93 posts) he doesn't really back up why.

 

Same goes for Shad being asked about Dice....he's just scum and can die... he also keeps pointing to DPR/Dice as the final two scummates, will vote for DPR but not dice...

 

Just as since d1, Dice won't vote Shad although he's had multiple opportunities to do so with support.

 

This is what irks me the most.

 

DPR seems the most town out of all three with scum hunting.

I agree with most of this (bold). I can see -possi-distancing- links for Shad-Dice in their actual interactions, with room left to back out later if required. But that could be tinfoil, and one of them might be Town.

 

IIRC Dice did vote Shad D1 though?

 

Dice voting claimed non-Town here is something he does as Town, went back and checked all games he played with a 3p since I started. First game we played he was Town and both switched to vote the 3p (it was Pral, not Csarmi) and he argued with Csarmi later because he then vig-shot the 3P.

 

It's probably null here, because he'd probably do the same in either requirement, but >.< . I think we'd have a better idea tomorrow.

 

 

My thoughts were that his take on Nyn is ~understandable from a Town PoV, although I personally wasn't surprised after last game where she was scum boosting her confidence and knowing hydra does the same. It wouldn't be the first time he let a soft-spot for a girl get in the way if he's Town. I haven't seen TOWNDICE in his posting though, and it bothers me that he initially avoided me/showing me his brain, I have issues with his EOD1 - As Town he's both Time and Goal focused at EOD, often comes in with 15mins to DL - and I've never not seen him make a decision. EoD2 hammering Cuth/shortening the phase bothers me, but voting with cop read is what he does and I think Scum him would know he was hammering and not post after that?

I mentioned up there that he voted Shad D1, just not since then. My wording was meh.

[Cass]

 

Dammit I didn't want to have to get my brain into this.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

The argument for leaving BFG alive is that we leave her alive but DISCOUNT her, and aim for scum, risk being we mislynch and we go to endgame?

 

The argument for taking her out is we get confirmed non-Town and have a smaller pool hunt scum in tomorrow, reducing our chance of mislynch?

The argument for leaving her alive is that she is likely not scum. That we should lynch scum. She can live as long as she won't be a liability.

 

 

Which is fine, except if we mislynch, and she doesn't get removed from the game, we're at endgame tomorrow?

 

2scum - 1 3P - 3Town?

 

Essentially trusting her to play for Town?

[Eldrick4221]

Back later, I'm dog sitting and he's upset I'm not paying him any attention <3

Go sit on that dog!

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

Dammit I didn't want to have to get my brain into this.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

The argument for leaving BFG alive is that we leave her alive but DISCOUNT her, and aim for scum, risk being we mislynch and we go to endgame?

 

The argument for taking her out is we get confirmed non-Town and have a smaller pool hunt scum in tomorrow, reducing our chance of mislynch?

The argument for leaving her alive is that she is likely not scum. That we should lynch scum. She can live as long as she won't be a liability.

Which is fine, except if we mislynch, and she doesn't get removed from the game, we're at endgame tomorrow?

 

2scum - 1 3P - 3Town?

 

Essentially trusting her to play for Town?

I ran those numbers already. Look back a few pages.

[BFG]

I need to ISO Dice, but I have low confidence in my ability to read him. Almost all of what I remember him doing for himself is focusing on 'Dice' stuff (Shad's Alfs vote unreaction, claim today)

 

All of this is stuff that town!Dice will focus on, but there's normally stuff as well as it, I think there was some stuff Day 1, but???

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

Please explain how a doc revealing could possibly benefit town.

I just did.

 

BFG has a claim on the table that has to be true if there is no doc, ergo if we are going to lynch her we should first confirm whether there is a doc, because if there is not then she is telling the truth.

 

Since we are not lynching her today it is now irrelevant, but if we were going to I believe that is the optimal play under those circumstances. Chances of actually outing a town PR are low because there probably is no doc because the cop died. Moreover the doc is low utility at this point because the cop died. Vs wasting a lynch on a Survivor who we could just sideline.

Again. Doc revealing doesn't make her claim false.

 

And no doc revealing doesn't make it true, or even mean there isn't a doc.

 

There are even ways that her claim could be false without a doc. Scum could have not shot for #reasons

 

It's possible that Sooh counted Darthe as their kill. It's possible they just didn't get their kill in, or targeted Darthe and didn't get a chance to change.

That's what I've been thinking. There is no reason for a cop to reveal.

Cop. Doc. Same thing amiright?

[BFG]

 

Back later, I'm dog sitting and he's upset I'm not paying him any attention <3

Go sit on that dog!

 

Yes sir :p

[Cass]

Current thoughts are 

 

 

Lynch [v]BFG[/v] today

 

 

Work with more time/info on smaller pool tomorrow without the risk of scum and 3p teaming up.

[DPR]

So TLDR DPR

 

deflected attention away from Cuth/Nyn

 

(town read Cuth/Nyn despite that being completely out of line with how town!DPR approaches games; limited experience - in brackets because I appreciate not everyone 'likes' meta)

 

Use meta all you want, but good luck nailing my town game since I've had, like, 1 here in the past 5 years...

 

I was wrong about Cuth/Nyn. Sue me. 

 

Is convinced I'm mafia; hasn't spent any time trying to prove I'm mafia beyond 'claim'; cannot explain why I'd claim as mafia, has at various times suggested a 4 person mafia team, mafia holstered or had no shot N1, but generally falls back to deflecting the question or ignoring it, also initial reaction was to believe my claim (response to Eldrick(?)) before he doubled down on me being mafia

 

No need to make it complicated - you claimed non-town. We don't need any more evidence, do we? 

 

As far as you being mafia, I did explain that - you are buying your team time. I don't know why. I don't know the setup. Don't really care. But your claim makes no sense in context of this game, and every other player has commented that at least art of your claim is bullsh*t.

 

Please.

 

Has deflected questions all day, played dumb with questions from Shad/Cass/Shanty/others

 

You're just pushing Shad's narrative here. I've answered questions from here to Egypt. I hope I haven't played dumb... gosh. And Shad is just being a baby because he can't scum well. it's kind of sad. I'm not sure what Cass is up to with her latest antics. Shanti hasn't expressed any problem with my answers. "others" is kinda ambiguous - you just throw that in for effect? heh

 

Said at the beginning of the phase that attention shouldn't focus on the claim, yet almost all his talk has centred around it

 

I voted you right away - the only thing I said was that it was a no brainer. The fact that Shad has hammered it and now Cass wants to bring it back up is on them. 

 

Hasn't revisited any of his reads post mafia flip, his scum reads on me/cass/shad sort of originate in our interactions with each other, yet he shows no interest in any of our interactions with flipped scum (except one post from Cass)

 

Wrong-o. I've consistently presented Shad as my #2 pick, and discussed how I viewed Cass as being linked to you two. I've been clear that I see Shanti and Eld as town, feel pretty decent about dice and have had no issue with Killanos so far. Adella bounces around a lot and doesn't add much, but she ain't in my top 3. 

 

I would ask him where his experience with scum!Cuth comes from, to the best of my knowledge Cuth had been scum in one game previously on DM that DPR wasn't in, but he'll deflect this as well :p

 

Seriously, tat's just not fair. I haven't deflected a damn thing. I may have confused Cuth with Manbat, so I'll go back and look.

 

 

 

 

Meandering thoughts, as third party he pushed Liz/Mrs Clov Hydra over mechanical stuff, the difference to me is that although I disagreed with the read I understood the logic. This is a mechanical push but the logic is missing

 

It's unusual for mafia to piss off multiple high volume posters, I don't think that would particularly bother him though.

 

I would be surprised if he hard buses

 

LOL - you're like a vote genie... talk about voting you and you suddenly appear!

 

I'm in blue.

[Cass]

 

 

 

Dammit I didn't want to have to get my brain into this.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

The argument for leaving BFG alive is that we leave her alive but DISCOUNT her, and aim for scum, risk being we mislynch and we go to endgame?

 

The argument for taking her out is we get confirmed non-Town and have a smaller pool hunt scum in tomorrow, reducing our chance of mislynch?

The argument for leaving her alive is that she is likely not scum. That we should lynch scum. She can live as long as she won't be a liability.

Which is fine, except if we mislynch, and she doesn't get removed from the game, we're at endgame tomorrow?

 

2scum - 1 3P - 3Town?

 

Essentially trusting her to play for Town?

I ran those numbers already. Look back a few pages.

 

 

*Headdesk*

 

I saw your massive numbers post and my brain glazed over it.

 

 

In honour of my ENFPHYDRATWIN #WTFARENUMBERS??

 

 

Is what I'm saying above true, or not?

[Adella]

 

 

 

 

Please explain how a doc revealing could possibly benefit town.

I just did.

 

BFG has a claim on the table that has to be true if there is no doc, ergo if we are going to lynch her we should first confirm whether there is a doc, because if there is not then she is telling the truth.

 

Since we are not lynching her today it is now irrelevant, but if we were going to I believe that is the optimal play under those circumstances. Chances of actually outing a town PR are low because there probably is no doc because the cop died. Moreover the doc is low utility at this point because the cop died. Vs wasting a lynch on a Survivor who we could just sideline.

Again. Doc revealing doesn't make her claim false.

 

And no doc revealing doesn't make it true, or even mean there isn't a doc.

 

There are even ways that her claim could be false without a doc. Scum could have not shot for #reasons

 

It's possible that Sooh counted Darthe as their kill. It's possible they just didn't get their kill in, or targeted Darthe and didn't get a chance to change.

That's what I've been thinking. There is no reason for a cop to reveal.

Cop. Doc. Same thing amiright?

Haha, shoooot. That's what I get for multi tasking. I'm sure I'm gonna get lynched for that now

[DPR]

Current thoughts are 

 

 

Lynch [v]BFG[/v] today

 

 

Work with more time/info on smaller pool tomorrow without the risk of scum and 3p teaming up.

 

Can we all just take a moment to appreciate this? She finally voted!

 

Okay. Good times.

 

[v] BFG [/v]

[Shad_]

alright consolidation time cause I won't be anywhere near a computer for the rest of the phase

 

[v]Dice[/v]

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

 

Dammit I didn't want to have to get my brain into this.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

The argument for leaving BFG alive is that we leave her alive but DISCOUNT her, and aim for scum, risk being we mislynch and we go to endgame?

 

The argument for taking her out is we get confirmed non-Town and have a smaller pool hunt scum in tomorrow, reducing our chance of mislynch?

The argument for leaving her alive is that she is likely not scum. That we should lynch scum. She can live as long as she won't be a liability.

Which is fine, except if we mislynch, and she doesn't get removed from the game, we're at endgame tomorrow?

 

2scum - 1 3P - 3Town?

 

Essentially trusting her to play for Town?

I ran those numbers already. Look back a few pages.

*Headdesk*

 

I saw your massive numbers post and my brain glazed over it.

 

 

In honour of my ENFPHYDRATWIN #WTFARENUMBERS??

 

 

Is what I'm saying above true, or not?

9 people today. Mislynch and nk is u tomorrow

4-2-1.

 

We have 1 mislynch before we have to worry about her.

[Cass]

 

 

Dammit I didn't want to have to get my brain into this.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

The argument for leaving BFG alive is that we leave her alive but DISCOUNT her, and aim for scum, risk being we mislynch and we go to endgame?

 

The argument for taking her out is we get confirmed non-Town and have a smaller pool hunt scum in tomorrow, reducing our chance of mislynch?

The argument for leaving her alive is that she is likely not scum. That we should lynch scum. She can live as long as she won't be a liability.

 

 

LMAO - Case never did explain why she said the Mafia would need to NK BFG tonight...

 

And of course she's had lots of opinions about my play, but she's suddenly confused?

 

Nah.

 

Darlin', you shoulda voted based this logic yesterday instead of sitting back and watching me say all that over and over while you did nothing. 

 

But it's not too late - throw your vote down on BFG. I'll move mine back. We'll lynch non-town together. How's that?

 

 

I wasn't here yesterday to do that, deal with what you've got in the thread.

 

Including the question you think I haven't answered. It's in several quoted posts now, that you're ?conveniently forgetting.

 

[v]unvote[/v]

 

I'm going to check Eldrick's numbers.

 

And I h<3te you all.

[Eldrick4221]

Um...minus the "u"

[Eldrick4221]

U was supposed to be 7

[Shanti]

[v] Unvote [/v]

 

[v]Dice[/v]

 

For reasons I've already repeated multiple times.

[Adella]

Is that a hammer? I list track...

[Shanti]

That is a hammer.

[Adella]

Is that a hammer? I lost track...

I fixed it

[Sooh]

That's a hammer

 

Dice (5): Killanos, Adella, Eldrick, Shad, Shanti

 

BFG (2): Dice, DPR

 

DPR (1): BFG

 

Not voting (1):  Cass

 

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

 

 

Flip coming in at the usual time due to Mafia Championship. Sorry for the inconvenience.

 

No night chat starting now!

[Cass]

Scenario 1.

Bfg is surv. 6-2-1

We mislynch. 5-2-1

NK 4-2-1

We lynch bfg 4-2

NK and lylo

 

Scenario 2.

Bfg is scum 7-2

We mislynch 6-2

NK 5-2

We lynch bfg 5-1

NK 4-1 and regular game

 

Scenario 3

Bfg is surv. 6-2-1

We lynch scum 6-1-1

NK 5-1-1

We mislynch 4-1-1

NK 3-1-1

We lynch bfg 3-1

NK and lylo

 

Scenario 4

Bfg is scum 7-2

We lynch her teammate 7-1

NK 6-1

We mislynch 5-1

NK 4-1

We lynch bfg and win

 

Scenario 5.

Bfg is surv. 6-2-1

We lynch scum 6-1-1

NK 5-1-1

We lynch scum and win

 

If she's Survivor and we ignore her until we get a mislynch, we can win in 2 days. As soon as we are wrong, we lynch her.

 

Scum will keep her alive because scum likes confusion.

 

I am ~ok with this, and can't count to 9.

 

<.<

 

 

Like I said, I'll move my vote to Shad. But please consider this first, as it's been a major point I've been trying to make:

 

 

 

Your scenario: we are currently @ 6T / 2M / 1S.  We lynch BFG and she's S - Mafia gets a NK - We wind up @ 5T / 2M

 

Okay.

 

But, if we mislynch - say Shad or dice is not Mafia after all - we wind up at 4T / 2M / 1S 

 

That puts us at endgame and if we mislynch again, we lose. Plus we have a non-town putting their 2cents in. 

 

 

This is not endgame? Even if BFG sides with scum there we're in the majority 4T v 3nonT

 

This is LYNCH BFG and get 4T/2M

 

If ALL Town vote BFG there, that is not a problem?

 

I think BFG play fits with the 3p pattern she would take.

 

 

Time to ISO Shad >.<   >.<

[E James Todd]

So I keep breaking the reply option; apparently I no longer have the capacity to make anything on this site work. Flavor is done, but it breaks when I try and kid it. I will wait for the GM to do her thing and fix what I apparently break.