[Game thread]Magic The Gathering

[Shanti]

Shad, I'm done dancing back and forth with you. I 100% believe you're scum. I 100% believe dice is your scummate. 

If the rest don't want to listen, thats on them. I have to focus on work now so play time is over and I can't give this my all while trying to entertain...so...

 

I'll keep reading things as they come and attempt to comment on them, but I've done all I can do for now. Its up to the rest of town to do the right thing and that is to lynch Shad.

[Shad_]

I can't argue against alt-facts glgl.

[Adella]

With the interactions from today, I could get fully behind a Dice Lynch if that is where the town wants to go. I will make a case for it when the baby goes to bed.

[Eldrick4221]

Shad, I'm done dancing back and forth with you. I 100% believe you're scum. I 100% believe dice is your scummate.

If the rest don't want to listen, thats on them. I have to focus on work now so play time is over and I can't give this my all while trying to entertain...so...

 

I'll keep reading things as they come and attempt to comment on them, but I've done all I can do for now. Its up to the rest of town to do the right thing and that is to lynch Shad.

I have reasons to suss both of them individually myself, but don't see them as teammates.

 

Nyn and shad posting the wolf head and Dice going after one while defending the other. That brings way too much attention to the whole team right out of the gate.

[Eldrick4221]

Shad. I will iso you tonight after I get some sleep and see whether or not your recent explanation of last night match up with what you said then.

 

Right now I don't think they do, but I'm tired and not at a point to verify.

[Shad_]

I'm content to wait and see what Cass Adella and Killanos come back with for now. 

[dicetosser1]

 

you say survivor but i dont know what ure role is at this point

This is... odd

 

You read people based off individual play style, you know that I'm not a trolly or showy player

 

I can see town!dice policy lynching me as survivor, I have more difficulty with your lack of conviction with Shad, but still need to reread day2 so we'll see, and I am somewhat sceptical that you don't believe me to be survivor

 

 

I dont totally believe the claim because of all the other stuff you put with it. Its overdone. Im keeping the sk possibility in mind largely because of that

 

But tbh even if you are just a survivor I still lynch you 99% of the time. you know this. You even expected it.

[Adella]

 

 

 

 

 

They didn't have to be big thoughts / content should be more important than actual response??

 

What thoughts do you have on other players right now/where are you at on Killa/Kronos / Zep / Your WTL?

 

 

/snipped the Otter :O /

 

i like killanos a bit better, hovering around null at this point in time

 

prefer killa's content to kronos, but eh

 

no change on zep, but again i don't really know the guy so who knows

 

i think i share your misgivings wrt dice related to alf, but that may just be that i don't particularly think there's any meat to his argument and that alf isn't particularly scummy

 

i don't think adella's jumping on that is a great look

 

 

 

 

At this point Alf is in my WTL because there is literally nothing in his ISO to clear him. I have considerations that it may be a new player/forum thing, but I want to hear his thoughts/won't fight his lynch if he doesn't return.

I keep forgetting Adella. On ISO she's trending significantly more floaty/less hunty than her last game (Town). Adding her to today's WTL as well.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay, caught up atm.

 

I don't like the Dice/Alf exchange. Dice's questioning of a lack of response on a null D1 vote also raises my eyebrows. (I'm agreeing with Nyn which scares the bejeezus out of me)

 

It took me a good two hours to read through the exchange (my daughter is in a mood today) but I seem to recall not being bothered by any of Alf's responses.

 

@Dice- why was it such a big deal to you? Then when he responded you seemed to be beating a dead horse in keeping it going.

 

Nyn's play is consistent with both roles. I've still not recovered from the game with her, Ed, and DPR being the dream scum team. As I've stated before, she always seems scummy to me so I don't expect to have an actual read on her without more days.

 

When I first started reading the catch-up posts I was leaning scum on Darthe because he was playing much like he did D1 in the last game but then he picked up in activity. This doesn't clear him in my mind it just has me leaning away from that initial scum read.

 

I don't think I've seen Killa as scum so I have no comparison to go on. Her not liking her association with Shanti's "townie behavior" has my mind boggled but it doesn't necessarily scream scum just weird.

 

@Killa-why does the comparison or being related to Shanti bother you?

 

I'm not influenced one way or another on Cuth just becauae nothing has stood out to me so far.

 

DPR being busy has me biting my nails because I don't like the thought of him lurking in the shadows.

 

Someone mentioned my remarking on Shanti's peppiness only to say that her peppiness doesnt really mean anything. I've explained this but will again. I had forgot that she actually did come in that way last game. What I remembered from that game initially was the later play where she came in with good content but wasn't generally present a lot. After that game she expressed a wish to get a scum role. So from that POV her coming in really peppy stood out. Then it was pointed out that she was peppy D1 of that game as well and after I went and checked realized it was true. And her peppiness this game didn't mean so much. I would like to hear from her today.

 

I like Cass's questioning everything, it stands out as very town due to her actions in recent games. I'm not sure I've played with her as scum though (could be wrong just don't recall) so I'd like to hear from someone that has seen her scum play.

 

Shad's play seems a lot like those of other town players that take the lead and try to poke everyone. I'm weary of that kind of play becauae it would be so easy for scum to assume that role and lead us in the wrong direction.

 

Adella is consistent in her last town game play where she seemed pretty busy with rl so I'm gonna give her the benefit of the doubt.

 

BFG's play has seemed alright up to this point, liking some of the content just wish there were more.

 

LZM I'm kinda null on atm

 

Same as Kronos.

 

Dunno if I've left anyone out and I know it's very noncommittal but that's where everyone is standing in my head atm.

 

I'm going to attempt to glance back through but not sure how successful I will be with thus child clinging to my leg.

I don't hate this for now.

 

The only things standing out different to my own thoughts/opinions are

 

Wrt Darthe - he posted more in that last/his scum game than here. I'm gonna go ahead and say activity itself is probably NAI for him, it's more about what he says and how. Rereading Old West (where he was Town) he makes much/many more direct X player/post is [conclusion] type comments. He's still null-scum for me right now

 

Wrt Adella, I think there's a difference in her level of bite/hunting/questioning between here and last Town game.

 

@Tigs,

 

The Shanti-pep thing was me but am happy to leave that alone wrt you for now - where do you actually have Shanti aorn?; and

 

What do you mean Adella's the same?

 

I thought Darthe was actually very noncommittal last game D1 I could be wrong.

 

Shanti is coming off to me like she usually does, town, but I am waiting for her catch-up read.

 

Wrt adella, are you asking why I think she's consistent with last town game? If so, it's because like I said, rl kept her pretty busy so she was just coming in with random posts here and there. It's actually one of the reasons she was easy to Lynch.

 

 

 

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Okay, caught up atm.

 

I don't like the Dice/Alf exchange. Dice's questioning of a lack of response on a null D1 vote also raises my eyebrows. (I'm agreeing with Nyn which scares the bejeezus out of me)

 

It took me a good two hours to read through the exchange (my daughter is in a mood today) but I seem to recall not being bothered by any of Alf's responses.

 

@Dice- why was it such a big deal to you? Then when he responded you seemed to be beating a dead horse in keeping it going.

 

Nyn's play is consistent with both roles. I've still not recovered from the game with her, Ed, and DPR being the dream scum team. As I've stated before, she always seems scummy to me so I don't expect to have an actual read on her without more days.

 

When I first started reading the catch-up posts I was leaning scum on Darthe because he was playing much like he did D1 in the last game but then he picked up in activity. This doesn't clear him in my mind it just has me leaning away from that initial scum read.

 

I don't think I've seen Killa as scum so I have no comparison to go on. Her not liking her association with Shanti's "townie behavior" has my mind boggled but it doesn't necessarily scream scum just weird.

 

@Killa-why does the comparison or being related to Shanti bother you?

 

I'm not influenced one way or another on Cuth just becauae nothing has stood out to me so far.

 

DPR being busy has me biting my nails because I don't like the thought of him lurking in the shadows.

 

Someone mentioned my remarking on Shanti's peppiness only to say that her peppiness doesnt really mean anything. I've explained this but will again. I had forgot that she actually did come in that way last game. What I remembered from that game initially was the later play where she came in with good content but wasn't generally present a lot. After that game she expressed a wish to get a scum role. So from that POV her coming in really peppy stood out. Then it was pointed out that she was peppy D1 of that game as well and after I went and checked realized it was true. And her peppiness this game didn't mean so much. I would like to hear from her today.

 

I like Cass's questioning everything, it stands out as very town due to her actions in recent games. I'm not sure I've played with her as scum though (could be wrong just don't recall) so I'd like to hear from someone that has seen her scum play.

 

Shad's play seems a lot like those of other town players that take the lead and try to poke everyone. I'm weary of that kind of play becauae it would be so easy for scum to assume that role and lead us in the wrong direction.

 

Adella is consistent in her last town game play where she seemed pretty busy with rl so I'm gonna give her the benefit of the doubt.

 

BFG's play has seemed alright up to this point, liking some of the content just wish there were more.

 

LZM I'm kinda null on atm

 

Same as Kronos.

 

Dunno if I've left anyone out and I know it's very noncommittal but that's where everyone is standing in my head atm.

 

I'm going to attempt to glance back through but not sure how successful I will be with thus child clinging to my leg.

I don't hate this for now.

 

The only things standing out different to my own thoughts/opinions are

 

Wrt Darthe - he posted more in that last/his scum game than here. I'm gonna go ahead and say activity itself is probably NAI for him, it's more about what he says and how. Rereading Old West (where he was Town) he makes much/many more direct X player/post is [conclusion] type comments. He's still null-scum for me right now

 

Wrt Adella, I think there's a difference in her level of bite/hunting/questioning between here and last Town game.

 

@Tigs,

 

The Shanti-pep thing was me but am happy to leave that alone wrt you for now - where do you actually have Shanti aorn?; and

 

What do you mean Adella's the same?

I thought Darthe was actually very noncommittal last game D1 I could be wrong.

 

Shanti is coming off to me like she usually does, town, but I am waiting for her catch-up read.

 

Wrt adella, are you asking why I think she's consistent with last town game? If so, it's because like I said, rl kept her pretty busy so she was just coming in with random posts here and there. It's actually one of the reasons she was easy to Lynch.

 

 

 

I think our bolds wrt Darthe say the same thing.

 

Ok for Shanti. I don't hate her recent reads list, could possibly pull her out of WTL today.

 

KK for now wrt Adella, noting that I'm seeing a difference in play style - the random posts she came in with last game involved hunting - questions and direct opinions on things she found suspicious. I haven't seen that here and so you clearing her on being busy feels possi-light to me.

 

 

cass, i think darthe realized he's not the only one playing the game  

Wut?

 

Cass

 

let the paranoia seethe within you 

H<3te. 

 

 

 

I have absolutely no clue how to read Adella.

her tone seems a little different from last game when she was scum

 

a little more reaching in the solving

 

don't know how to put it better

 

 

 

Cuth thats an interesting thought about Adella but she seemed like that in 2 broke girls as well and flipped scum so I need more time with that before I am sure either way.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

OTTERS!!

 

*Tackles Cuth*

 

Thoughts on Tig at this stage - not enough actual game-related thoughts from her ITT; the *stares suspiciously* at Shanti is possibly off-kilter given that she said Shanti + Pep isn't sus to her specifically, circles about her only relating the comment to Peg + Cat after I mentioned it. Don't hate her questioning me, but it initially bothered me that the quote she uses doesn't have the whole story/all her responses. 

 

Re-reading, could just be a cross in our wires since in my mind the focus was on me asking her if she found extra pep a bad thing wrt Shanti since she called it out, and the way she quotes it she's reading it as me correcting her that Shanti was peppy.

 

TLDR Null/Need moaarrr thoughts.

 

sounds good, thanks

 

 

Why good?

 

Do you agree or disagree/what are your thoughts on Tigs/my actual thoughts?

 

And *dies of cuteness overload*

 

I (almost) won't even care if that was a pocket pic.

 

 

good because you responded

 

i have no big thoughts on what you said, and i've already told you what i think about tigraine herself

 

 

They didn't have to be big thoughts / content should be more important than actual response??

 

What thoughts do you have on other players right now/where are you at on Killa/Kronos / Zep / Your WTL?

 

 

 

 

i like killanos a bit better, hovering around null at this point in time

 

prefer killa's content to kronos, but eh

 

no change on zep, but again i don't really know the guy so who knows

 

i think i share your misgivings wrt dice related to alf, but that may just be that i don't particularly think there's any meat to his argument and that alf isn't particularly scummy

 

i don't think adella's jumping on that is a great look

 

 

 

Me and Kronos were just discussing Adella and I would agree to her being on our watch list. I would hate to see a new player get lynched day one but I see peoples view, though I dont know if I see him as scummy other than inactivity. Someone did point out his excitement to play and now his absence. But Dice going on about his non reaction to a day one vote seemed over done.

 

 

I can't honestly process that much text coherently when I'm this distracted but it looked good at a glance.

 

@Tig as I understand it you're saying that low content from Adella is not alignment indicative. Do you have any read on her at this point?

 

Also you'd be surprised how hard it is to replicate my town game. I've never come close lol

 

 

Right now we are looking at a 3-way tie between Alf, Darthe and LZM

 

Ok with any of these, could add in Dice / Adella .

 

 

I'm still having a hard time with people saying I've posted nothing but fluff. Most of my posts have been game related. This is D1 there isn't much to go on. Either you're town who just won't accept a different playstyle, or you're scum trying to discredit me already.

 

 

I think these were all the posts standing out to me. I bolded the relevant sections. As I was catching up, and things seemed to be piling up because I am mostly online at one specific time of day when not many others are, I was taking heat. I didn't like the reason for the heat. It seemed to be less about what I said in my posts, and more about the lack of posts and how my content wasn't enough. It just rubbed me the wrong way.

 

Can't complain about my content after tonight though

 

 

BFG, in answer to your question, yes I came back and answered. There wasn't that much content posted at that time, so I'm a little peeved you didn't bother to read. Don't take it personally, I just don't like putting in the work and having no one read it.

[Cass]

Here and catching up 

 

Short version cuz I'm annoyed, but want to say it anyway.

Bfg is probably telling the truth, because exactly that what she claimed will get her killed eventually. She shouldn't be the lynch today.

But because of her "leaving the game when she wins" she has to go before lylo. So if we mislynch once, she's next.

 

Eld, why were you annoyed here?

[WolfbrotherKronos]

In response to Dice and Eldrick (I think it was) - I'm sorry you don't like my posts - here are some responses.

 

1. I posted comments on the quotes to help focus my own thoughts.  I've said this before when I play - I'm not good at casing because it's hard for me to put thoughts together.  I used that to do so.

 

2. Think what you want about the validity of my claims - but Dice, with the exception of Shad and and now BFG has avoided taking a stance on anything.  He flirted with the whole Alf thing and then stepped away from it.  Even with Shad, he back pedaled - it wasn't worth his breath. 

 

I'm fine with my vote where it is.

[Shanti]

Alright, I want to do what is best for town, so...everyone knows where I stand and how I feel. If I need to switch my vote back to Dice, I will do it. But out of anyone in the game, I think our lynch needs to go to Shad or Dice...in that order.

[Adella]

Awesome. All the work I did making a post for when night ended didn't get saved.

 

Ok short version, from memory.

 

My experience with DPR was when he was 3p, and therefore not scum hunting. He was story telling. I don't see that here, so I feel good about him.

 

Nyn posted something about getting Tigs and Adella mixed up. I don't see her doing that about her teammate, so Adella looks good.

 

Don't know what to make about the DPR/Shad interactions. It comes off as simply not understanding each other, but that's null.

 

Shanti had a post when she was defending herself that came off as very organic and genuine. Got buko town vibes from it. I will pull it later.I

 

Dice has explained why he went after Shad and not Nyn. Because iho Nyn doesn't do that as scum. And yet she clearly did. Biggest reason I have rn to read someone as scum. Feels like not wanting to bring attention to a teammate.

 

[V]Dice[/v]

 

That's exactly how I'm feeling about it.

 

 

Any doc worth their salt would have protected tigs. That she died means there likely isn't a doc, which gives credibility to Beth's vest claim.

 

Agreed

 

 

 

 

 

 

HARDCLAIM SURVIVOR win con F6

The wincon is important because it means I can't mafia side at lylo (since the game didn't start 8v4v1)

Which means I am now self resolving

I was shot N1, I would guess PR hunting since I was quiet although I would have thought that Nyn would know that activity is dependent on time so vig is possible

I don't trust this one bit. If we haven't won by F6, you are going down. Town wouldn't claim this. Mafia might. On the off chance you are telling the truth, I will let you have your win before you die.

 

 

I'll comment on your first post in a minute, but this one needs to be addressed first:

 

You state above that this is obviously not a Town claim. Why let her have the claim win con?

Because if she's mafia we can lynch her at f6 and be fine. It's not an urgent resolution.

 

And if she's telling the truth, we can hunt the last 2 between now and then. (Assuming a team of 3 in a game this size)

 

Worst case scenario is we mislynch the next 2 days and she's telling the truth. Cuz that would be lylo.

 

By then we will have more information to decide if she's actually mafia or not.

 

Point is her claim isn't something we have to worry about now.

 

 

Not a good look. 

 

The actual point is, you spot scum and you kill scum. Letting them live a little longer never works in the Town's favor. Per her own admission, she doesn't count as as Town so resolve the spot now. 

 

 

 

I also tend to be skeptical of claims made directly after Cops are out of the game.

 

Seems like it might have made more sense to wait and watch. Not like you were going to be viewed, so why rush a reveal?

This is surprisingly generic

 

There is ~always going to be a survivor debate, better to get it over with early, I'll come back to this later

 

And it has nothing to do with Tigs death and everything to do with mafia dying. I have guaranteed that I can't live to end game if mafia, so there's no need for town to waste time on this

 

And I claimed (at all) because I very rarely survive long in games, mafia have (almost certainly) tried shooting me once already

 

Why are you ignoring the F6 part of my claim?

 

 

 

Heh. You're not Town. Time to swing.

 

[v] BFG [/v]

 

 

 

DPR is coming out of the gate so strong here. I absolutely don't think he would swing this hard has scum. He is sticking out his neck way too far for someone who he would know if they are scum or not. It feels like way more than just a bus.

 

I just caught up. I need to re-read, what odd f6 f7 and 3p? All this stuff is confusing me so much I can't focus.

 

One thing I need is to hear from Adella and Dice. Dice defended Nyn. Adella full I attacked me stating she 95% believed I was scum, yet wouldn't move vote to CuthaNyn which I was right about. Serious loss for us with Tigs, sucks she felt the need to reveal to defend me. But, at least I was right about the hydra which treks me I need to re-read interactions involving them.

 

Until terminology is explained, I can't even begin to focus on the BFG situation. I'll check in soon

 

I believe I addressed this, but if it wasn't to your satisfaction let me know.

 

 

Cass is seeming pretty Cass, but I also haven't played with her as scum so idk how different that would be.

 

So far Shanti is being consistent, nothing to point out as untownie, so I'm leaning town.

 

Tigs... Honestly, I'm so paranoid, I'm pretty much saying guilty until proven innocent.

 

Cuth came in with a gif right off the bat, so that seems pretty good LOL (it's a joke, FYI)

Can you expand on your reads of Shanti and Cass at this point? If both Cass and Shanti are being consistent with previous town games why the caveat with Cass?

 

 

I added the caveat because at least some people have played with Cass as scum, so they could add to that opinion. This game is unknown, but previously Shanti hasn't randed scum yet, so no one can tell us otherwise how she would play as scum.

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Kicks DM*

 

Cuth DL is in 5 minutes who do you lynch

mmmmh

 

maaybe killa/kronos

 

i haven't been too impressed

 

a lot of low activity slots, granted myself included

 

could see zep, wasn't blown away by his posts, they were all fairly easy to make

 

at this point don't actually have any real >rand scum reads

 

Don't hate this/most of what I recall of Cuth's stuff on tone. Wasn't sure about the early Tigs read but can understand his thought processes to here enough that nothing's really standing out and his thoughts are coming across as natural at present.

(Caveat I haven't seen him scum).

 

@Cuth - have you played with Zep before? Not excusing him, and there's a post I want to follow up on but FTR I had the same take on him early last game and he was Town.

 

As it stands I don't hate these as options but I want to follow up some with WBK and LZM.

 

 

These are VERY light and general reads, nothing in depth. It's my bed time.

 

1. Shad - Good activity so far, prodding questions to keep people talking, seems townie.

2. Darthe - Where you at? You did this last game and were scum... >.>

3. Shanti - So far I'm getting town, for above stated reason.

4. Tigraine - YOU SCARE ME! I don't see anything that says you're not mafia...

5. LedZepMan - Seems consistent with the last game so far, which is town.

6. DreadPirateRoberts - Need more to read

7. Adella - Clearly town imho

8. CuthaNyn (Cuth+Nyn) - Cuth is feeling town to me, but not much from Nyn yet

9. Alfred Jodocus - Need more to read

10. Killanos (Killa+Kronos) - So far Killa reminds me of Shanti, and I'm actually having a hard time telling their posts apart without having to go back and check who said what.

11. BFG - Came out pretty strong with probing questions in all directions, which I'm learning is generally a town thing to do.

12. Cass - Town so far, seems consistent with other couple of games we have played.

13. Dice - I am unsure on this, because I tend to read Dice as scummy no matter what (even in 2 broke girls where I was scum)

Adella, can you give thoughts about Tigs' actual play to here? Does this read essentially mean that nothing has stood out as scummy to you?

 

 

Nothing specifically had stood out at that time. The dice/Alf interaction is making me feel better about Dice, but the hedging and answering questions with deflection is making me feel less good about Alf. I'm till trying to catch up though, I'm only on Page 20 but I'm on my phone so I need to reply as I go.

 

 

 

I know I asked about this before, but I don't remember if you answered, if not can you point out what you mean by Alf deflecting/hedging?

 

I believe I have answered this, if you want me to quote it... well, if you ask I will lol. Basically it sums up to the fact that Alf refused to answer even when asked multiple times. I think Dice had to poke him like 3 times about it before he got any sort of an actual response. I totally understand not commenting on it in the first place, but once asked I would have expected an answer just like Dice. It's the only thing about Alf that really stood out though, and Eld is looking good so far.

[Shanti]

I really need to see updated vote count. >.< I need to know where everyone stands right now lol.

[Cass]

So, I've rr a bit. I didn't find a smoking gun. 

 

I found a lot of playing along the current style - "the playbook says do this, so that's what we'll do!" kind of stuff. Honestly, that just bores me. It's so easy to manipulate. 

 

I think for now it's in the Town's best interest if I don't post a ton of spec. I'm not really in a place where I think a debate is necessary as we have a claimed non-Town to lynch and no reason  not to lynch her - Town doesn't lose anything and we gain the info. 

 

I have BFG and Shad for the last 2 mafia. 

 

Shanti has been overly aggressive and is making bold plays for no apparent reason, but I don't see her dustup with Nyn as a gambit.

 

dice is doing his thing - I like what he sells and he's one of the most likely to sell me on it. But, I don't like him for scum right now.

 

Adella was more present D1. She's kind of dropped off. Could be the weekend. Could be letting the fireworks show (small one) take attention away form her. 

 

Killanos seems to be measured. Kronos isn't pinging, but isn't really around much. Killa seems to be mellow this game - no emo this time around, which is different for her. But, I can't stand Hydra's, so I tend to dismiss them. Probably worked against me with Cuth/Nyn. 

 

Cass... Meh, if Shad and BFG don't flip scum, she'd be my next pick, but it could just be her thought process and her picking up points that matter to her instead of trying to steer the game. I tend to watch other players reactions with folks I don't read well, and dice hasn't called her out, so I'll go with that. I don't see dice and Cass as the last 2 Mafia. 

 

That's about it.

 

No one has said "BFG's claim sounds solid to me!", and as I'm the one leading the case against her, it makes sense to me that I'd get voted over it. It does bug me that now it's Shad and BFG on my train - that would be bad play for a Mafia team, so there's that. maybe Shad is just getting sucked into the play?

 

My vote stays on BFG and ain't likely to change outside of a major revelation.

 

@DPR

 

Can you elaborate on the bold/actual concerns you have with me/my own play?

 

I've seen you do three things linking me with other players now rather than evaluating my own play in a way that leaves me open to your vote over the 'links' alone and it concerns me.

 

 

You say you don't see Dice/I as the last two mafia - why the linear division? What about Dice-BFG / Dice-Shad? 

 

 

What do you make of Adella's content? Your only comment is on her presence, nothing about the content, unlike your other reads?

 

 

@Dice

 

What do you make of this?

What do you make of DPR linking your call of me into his own read?

[DPR]

I really need to see updated vote count. >.< I need to know where everyone stands right now lol.

 

 

Should be unchanged from last page. 

 

You should try to do the calm thing. 

[Shad_]

DPR is coming out of the gate so strong here. I absolutely don't think he would swing this hard has scum. He is sticking out his neck way too far for someone who he would know if they are scum or not. It feels like way more than just a bus.

She literally claimed non-town. Scum can bulldoze that and not be wrong.

[Adella]

 

I'm still having a hard time with people saying I've posted nothing but fluff. Most of my posts have been game related. This is D1 there isn't much to go on. Either you're town who just won't accept a different playstyle, or you're scum trying to discredit me already.

Did you follow through with this?

 

 

Yes, I know I did this. It was less people than I remembered it being, but then suddenly everyone was talking about "what do you think of Adella being teamed up with ____?" and it was bugging me.

 

So, I've rr a bit. I didn't find a smoking gun. 

 

I found a lot of playing along the current style - "the playbook says do this, so that's what we'll do!" kind of stuff. Honestly, that just bores me. It's so easy to manipulate. 

 

I think for now it's in the Town's best interest if I don't post a ton of spec. I'm not really in a place where I think a debate is necessary as we have a claimed non-Town to lynch and no reason  not to lynch her - Town doesn't lose anything and we gain the info. 

 

I have BFG and Shad for the last 2 mafia. 

 

Shanti has been overly aggressive and is making bold plays for no apparent reason, but I don't see her dustup with Nyn as a gambit.

 

dice is doing his thing - I like what he sells and he's one of the most likely to sell me on it. But, I don't like him for scum right now.

 

Adella was more present D1. She's kind of dropped off. Could be the weekend. Could be letting the fireworks show (small one) take attention away form her. 

 

Killanos seems to be measured. Kronos isn't pinging, but isn't really around much. Killa seems to be mellow this game - no emo this time around, which is different for her. But, I can't stand Hydra's, so I tend to dismiss them. Probably worked against me with Cuth/Nyn. 

 

Cass... Meh, if Shad and BFG don't flip scum, she'd be my next pick, but it could just be her thought process and her picking up points that matter to her instead of trying to steer the game. I tend to watch other players reactions with folks I don't read well, and dice hasn't called her out, so I'll go with that. I don't see dice and Cass as the last 2 Mafia. 

 

That's about it.

 

No one has said "BFG's claim sounds solid to me!", and as I'm the one leading the case against her, it makes sense to me that I'd get voted over it. It does bug me that now it's Shad and BFG on my train - that would be bad play for a Mafia team, so there's that. maybe Shad is just getting sucked into the play?

 

My vote stays on BFG and ain't likely to change outside of a major revelation.

 

Day 2 really... I missed a lot of D1 other than fluff and coming in late before DL. Day 2 I was pretty active, especially once Tigs revealed, I was a lot of posts for a couple of pages. That's probably my highest post content for this whole game so far.

 

A Survivor is literally never a threat to town.

 

In a world where you have mod confirmation that a player is a Survivor, you can literally just congratulate them and put them on ignore.

 

This isn't true at all. In fact if you read the wiki it talks about how the Survivor is usually against the best interest of the town. Specifically this "..the existence of the role normally makes the game more favourable to the Mafia (and other anti-town factions) than it would be otherwise."

[Shad_]

This isn't true at all. In fact if you read the wiki it talks about how the Survivor is usually against the best interest of the town. Specifically this "..the existence of the role normally makes the game more favourable to the Mafia (and other anti-town factions) than it would be otherwise."

That is a statement on balance. It does not make the slot itself a threat to town.

[dicetosser1]

 

What do you make of Adella's content? Your only comment is on her presence, nothing about the content, unlike your other reads?

 

 

@Dice

 

What do you make of this?

What do you make of DPR linking your call of me into his own read?

 

 

I think its a dumb move considering how often I get you wrong, but im guessing he assumes I can read you cause I know you. Which is a little weird if so cause he doesnt like meta.

 

He has been sus on you all game tho so this is consistent 

[DPR]

 

So, I've rr a bit. I didn't find a smoking gun. 

 

I found a lot of playing along the current style - "the playbook says do this, so that's what we'll do!" kind of stuff. Honestly, that just bores me. It's so easy to manipulate. 

 

I think for now it's in the Town's best interest if I don't post a ton of spec. I'm not really in a place where I think a debate is necessary as we have a claimed non-Town to lynch and no reason  not to lynch her - Town doesn't lose anything and we gain the info. 

 

I have BFG and Shad for the last 2 mafia. 

 

Shanti has been overly aggressive and is making bold plays for no apparent reason, but I don't see her dustup with Nyn as a gambit.

 

dice is doing his thing - I like what he sells and he's one of the most likely to sell me on it. But, I don't like him for scum right now.

 

Adella was more present D1. She's kind of dropped off. Could be the weekend. Could be letting the fireworks show (small one) take attention away form her. 

 

Killanos seems to be measured. Kronos isn't pinging, but isn't really around much. Killa seems to be mellow this game - no emo this time around, which is different for her. But, I can't stand Hydra's, so I tend to dismiss them. Probably worked against me with Cuth/Nyn. 

 

Cass... Meh, if Shad and BFG don't flip scum, she'd be my next pick, but it could just be her thought process and her picking up points that matter to her instead of trying to steer the game. I tend to watch other players reactions with folks I don't read well, and dice hasn't called her out, so I'll go with that. I don't see dice and Cass as the last 2 Mafia. 

 

That's about it.

 

No one has said "BFG's claim sounds solid to me!", and as I'm the one leading the case against her, it makes sense to me that I'd get voted over it. It does bug me that now it's Shad and BFG on my train - that would be bad play for a Mafia team, so there's that. maybe Shad is just getting sucked into the play?

 

My vote stays on BFG and ain't likely to change outside of a major revelation.

 

@DPR

 

Can you elaborate on the bold/actual concerns you have with me/my own play?

 

I've seen you do three things linking me with other players now rather than evaluating my own play in a way that leaves me open to your vote over the 'links' alone and it concerns me.

 

 

You say you don't see Dice/I as the last two mafia - why the linear division? What about Dice-BFG / Dice-Shad? 

 

 

What do you make of Adella's content? Your only comment is on her presence, nothing about the content, unlike your other reads?

 

 

@Dice

 

What do you make of this?

What do you make of DPR linking your call of me into his own read?

 

 

Sure.

 

I have D1 notes connecting you, Shad and BFG.

 

For Shad, you communicate with him more than anyone else - especially in the beginning. There is a lot of banter and a lot of back and forth. That seems to have dropped off since and I always jot a note when people start communicative heavy and then drop off for no particular reason. 

 

Will you offer thoughts on why you stopped communication with him as much as you were? 

 

For BFG, it's the opposite. I note things like you crashtackling almost every other player as soon as they posted. But not BFG. Your first quote with her is below:

 

 

 

 

 

I am most definitely not scum this time around. I just can't get used to calling it wolfy sorry.But you are kinda rolling in with a lot of pep Shanti *stares suspiciously*

Just excited to have another game to play.

You also claimed to not be "scum" in both of our previous games. Forgive me if I don't believe you.

*watches*

@Tigs

Initial mindmeld, but she started pretty peppy in Peg + Cat as well... Is extra pep a bad thing wrt Shanti specifically, for you?

If Shanti was peppy in peg+cat as town why were you suspicious of it this game?

Mostly her rapid-fire entry here drew my attention as different to last game, and the pep/play tone seemed possibly overdone.

 

Went back and looked - the rapid-fire is different, the pep/play is similar enough. #earlygamesmallthings /shrug

 

What's your take?

 

 

It's like you're continuing a conversation from another place. No creashtackle, no hello, just an answer - unlike your response to everyone else.

 

I'll also point out that you offer very few opinions in ratio to the number of questions you ask. 

 

There are some interesting questions that you also never really dig in on or follow up with:

 

 

I dont have much to add atm. I want more bfg in the game. Less shad in the game. And kronoz is most likely town cause he's a hot mess as scum. But that's soley based on him. Dont have much of an opinion on killa.

 

Darthe is being darthe so far. Null. And now that i said his name twice, im prolly hexed

 

Yey thoughts!

 

1. I agree with the BFG comment - is she bothering you? I have tinfoil that there are similarities between here and Hackers. 

 

2. Do you ever read Shad?

 

3. What do you make of Dice? To me his Shad/Alf approach is ... off. I don't disagree with what he says, but it's - Stubborn like Town but not the same depth/true vehemence.. Shallow?

 

 

All your fault btw

 

Bah. 

 

There's a card out there somewhere that prevents hexes. If you're Town and he's scum I'll throw it your way :P

 

 

I've bold redded the point here that bugged me - did you ever sort this suspicion out? It looks like distancing and wasn't followed up on that I saw. 

 

Then we have this:

 

 

 

 

 

Well they are a little shallow but if you really gotta know.

 

Townie pile to willing to vote for.

 

Shad

 

He is the most active with the most reasonable content and I am not sure a scum would put themselves as the number one active in the spotlight player like that out the gate.

 

Cass so far seems to be similar to the time I played with her as town.

 

Possible on Tig but I need more to say for sure she is a hard read but a valuable player if town. Tough cookie we couldd use on our side so here is to hoping.

 

Shanti is also possible but some of the meta talk about her and from her kinda throws me off a bit. Just a weirdness around that I am not sure I like.

 

Adella is a tricky one who seems pretty level in both town and mafia so I cant really say yet.

 

You are on the same level as Adella. I have not really gotten to know you yet. I would say you look pretty town but with nyn as your other half I dont know about that. I have trouble reading nyn as anything but scum because she is so good at trolling everyone.

 

Dpr. Mostly absent so far and trying to avoid tunneling him as scum due to past games.

 

Dice in his couple of posts seems like himself but I dont have any scumdice meta to work with and he has not given us much to work with.

 

Alf is not around and this is the first time I have even seen him on the boards or mafia.

 

Darthe I have already talked about.

 

I wont vote till morning when I talk to Kronos obviously and he gets his reads in.

Killa, can you elaborate on the bold?

 

WRT Shad, the only content of his I see you commenting on to here is that you think it would be too early for him to make a Town call on BFG/Me/Someone whose meta it is to peter out? Every other comment about him is hedgey. What do you like about his content specifically?

 

WRT Shanti, what bothers you exactly?

 

What are your thoughts on LZM and BFG/Where do they sit in this list?

 

 

 

I would throw BFG in the townish pile got now. I liked the tone and activity she displayed earlier but I do not have much personal experience with her.

 

LZM is pretty null. Not a lot to go off of there.

 

Kronos posted pretty much exactly what was niggling at me with Shanti.

 

With Shad my hedgyness was more of a, I should be more wary but my gut says town. So it still says town now and thats what I am going with until I see a red flag.

 

 

KK thanks - Ok for BFG/LZM.

 

WRT Shanti - Kronos mostly talks about Shanti's own responses, you mention the meta talk 'about her' as well? WRT Shad - The main thing that throws me was you pointing out logic loop in Shad's BFG read, and then saying that you found his content 'reasonable'.

 

 

 

Lots of focus on Shad and BFG here, and again, no real resolution to the points brought up. 

 

It's stuff like the above that pings me. Doesn't make you scum, but it doesn't scream town either.

 

Quid pro quo time:  

 

Give us your deep read on dice.

 

I also want dice to give his his deep read on you. 

[DPR]

 

 

What do you make of Adella's content? Your only comment is on her presence, nothing about the content, unlike your other reads?

 

 

@Dice

 

What do you make of this?

What do you make of DPR linking your call of me into his own read?

 

 

I think its a dumb move considering how often I get you wrong, but im guessing he assumes I can read you cause I know you. Which is a little weird if so cause he doesnt like meta.

 

He has been sus on you all game tho so this is consistent 

 

 

 

You both have talked about your familiarity with each other's play. I don't do all meta, but I don't ignore it either. I'm very interested in knowing what you two think of each other's play.

 

I form my own opinions, as evidenced above, but I weigh other's as well.

 

dice, what do you see in Cass' play? 

[Shad_]

Dang players who read each other well were focused on each other early in the game. Top tier scum hunting itt.

[Shad_]

Practically everything DPR writes reeks of half-assed fluff encased in large paragraphs to me and if other people aren't seeing it they should look harder.

[dicetosser1]

tbh i dont thinks shes done enuff to warrant a town read DPR her D1 was pretty standard Cass but Ive see it before as scum too.

 

Nothing she did D1 seemed scummy.

 

D2 she wasnt around much but im aware of what her works like and she said in thread she was working all weekend so im leaving that as null.

 

She hasnt done anything scummy that i remember so i wills ay Town but it always has a big chuck of tinfoil next to it.

[DPR]

tbh i dont thinks shes done enuff to warrant a town read DPR her D1 was pretty standard Cass but Ive see it before as scum too.

 

Nothing she did D1 seemed scummy.

 

D2 she wasnt around much but im aware of what her works like and she said in thread she was working all weekend so im leaving that as null.

 

She hasnt done anything scummy that i remember so i wills ay Town but it always has a big chuck of tinfoil next to it.

 

Okay.