[Game thread]Magic The Gathering

[Nynaeve]

Good, goodbye

[Cuth]

 

 

 

 

lol Shanti's probably a wolf

eh i don't think so

 

talk to me about it

 

Bad OMGUS in the face of reasonable questions basically. It was a low pressure setting for a village who could just elaborate on her thought process vs a high pressure setting for a wolf who realizes they didn't have jack to back up their statements.  But we'll see what she comes back with.

 

You disagree, obviously. Talk to me about it.

 

i don't like the vote, i disagree with it and the reasons

 

but i do think her reaction to you was towny

 

or at least well done if scum

 

it was a certain aura of meaning what she said, came across as genuine

 

liked her d1 content too

 

but yeah idk

 

 

I did like her charisma rolling into the game and I did watch her take a nose dive as a villager in Peg + Cat, but the circumstances were very different.  I need to do a comparative ISO to see depth of D1 reads, might have to wait until tomorrow.  What exactly did you like about her reactions? because #652 is pretty hard for me to swallow.

 

again, felt like she believed what she said, got frustrated over something that town'd get more worked up over than scum, typically

[Sooh]

THREAD CLOSED!

[DPR]

 

 

 

 

Okay so I've been in and out of service today cause I had to come do laundry at my father-in-law's house.

I've done a reads list for some not for some but I feel like atm it doesn't even matter. What matters is that Cuth/Nyn you ARE scum 100%. I think it's downright dirty to get on here and try to bring personal stuff into a conversation to hide that you are scum and honestly can't believe you haven't been called out by the mod for it. How is that not a personal attack? But I turned you two in last night instead of DPR (which I go for almost every single time I'm a cop in a game with him) because he was away and busy and I knew we had time to deal with him later. But the point is that you are mafia aligned. I really don't care that I will probably be NKed now because people getting on here and finding your personal attacks funny is so far off from what I thought the people on here were like.

But that being said [v] Cuth/Nyn [/v]

Confirming you are Cop and you got a Mafia result on Cuth-a-Nyn?

Also, because I missed it, what attacks are you referring to?

If I'm correct, it's Nyns attacks on me and my childhood because I called her out. Could be wrong, but it was quite the personal attack and beyond below the belt

 

 

 

 

 

Okay so I've been in and out of service today cause I had to come do laundry at my father-in-law's house.

I've done a reads list for some not for some but I feel like atm it doesn't even matter. What matters is that Cuth/Nyn you ARE scum 100%. I think it's downright dirty to get on here and try to bring personal stuff into a conversation to hide that you are scum and honestly can't believe you haven't been called out by the mod for it. How is that not a personal attack? But I turned you two in last night instead of DPR (which I go for almost every single time I'm a cop in a game with him) because he was away and busy and I knew we had time to deal with him later. But the point is that you are mafia aligned. I really don't care that I will probably be NKed now because people getting on here and finding your personal attacks funny is so far off from what I thought the people on here were like.

But that being said [v] Cuth/Nyn [/v]

Confirming you are Cop and you got a Mafia result on Cuth-a-Nyn?

Also, because I missed it, what attacks are you referring to?

If I'm correct, it's Nyns attacks on me and my childhood because I called her out. Could be wrong, but it was quite the personal attack and beyond below the belt

Yep and yep

 

 

Okay, y'all will obviously sort this how you will, but I did read that comment and took it as sarcasm. Opinions vary on how much sarcasm is okay and when, but I'm positive that Shanti does not need to think that Nyn meant it literally.

 

Regardless, low blow, unneeded, and quite frankly ruined my entire DM experience. I've requested a sub out.

 

 

 

Again, you'll see it the way that you do, but it's not necessary for you to leave or to have things ruined.

 

There are absolutely times when a comment can hit a nerve, if that's what happened. And the thing to do is to let the mod know so that they can go behind the scenes and make sure everyone is cool. 

 

I've played with both Tigs and Nyn for years and I am 100% confident that neither of them, or anybody else, is interested in hurting anyone's feelings. 

 

Maybe everybody can take a deep breath and try to see it from a harmless perspective? 

[BFG]

Ok, so the other game has left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth but done is done

 

*focuses

[Sooh]

First and foremost:

 

I am not always here to see what's happening. I also don't always perceive things the same way that everyone else does, and people have different sensitivities. If you see something that you don't agree with, please let me know so that I have a chance to deal with it before taking it into the game and escalating things. That is never a good thing, and leads to people becoming mad at one another and not wanting to play the game anymore. 

 

Currently this is the deal:

 

Cuth will go on in the hydra slot on his own. 

 

Shanti slot unresolved until further notice. 

 

Sharp warning to ANYONE who took part in escalating this problem. 

 

 

Game reopened. (Not that anyone cared it was closed anyway )

[dicetosser1]

 

IMO, Town Shad would have looked at Dice as scum aiming for a mislynch and Scum Shad defends the comment made about him. 

 

Dice's exchange with sir alfred read awkward. I still don't quite get the exchange. But to be fairi read it loosely. So an eyebrow raise

 

Good point and a concern. It was a weird point for Dice to get that excited about. I've liked other play that I've seen, but his back and forth with Alfred will need to be explained.

 

@ Dice - Will you explain why you chose this point to be very active about? You posted about it more than anything else, so it's obviously important to you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

its only very active because i dont have many posts but ok

 

 not responding to a joke vote is often a bugbear for me    there are exeptions like if i vote cass for being a maroon  i dont really expect a response because we both know what it is. But if its a newbie thats a different story. i dont know if alfs played 2 games or a million games. But hes brand new here and if he gets voted out the gate by someone hes never spoken to i expect SOME kinda comment  even if its a cheeky thank you.

 

but the main reason that seemed very active is that we were both here in REAL TIME. we were talking back and forth and ive formed an opinion on him which is the whole point.

 

 

The reactions afterwards are what im most interested in.

 

 

 

and OOC  hows ure mum?

[Sooh]

To clarify: Shanti is still in the game. 

[Sooh]

Vote count:

 

Cuth (3): Shanti, Killanos, Tigraine

 

Alfred (1): Cass

 

Shanti (1): Adella

 

Not voting (7):  Tigraine, DreadPirateRoberts, Alfred Jodocus, BFG, Cuth, Shad, Dice

 

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

[BFG]

Sorry Sooh, didn't realise the thread was closed

[BFG]

[v]Cuth[/v]

[Cuth]

 

 

 

 

OTTERS!!

 

*Tackles Cuth*

 

Thoughts on Tig at this stage - not enough actual game-related thoughts from her ITT; the *stares suspiciously* at Shanti is possibly off-kilter given that she said Shanti + Pep isn't sus to her specifically, circles about her only relating the comment to Peg + Cat after I mentioned it. Don't hate her questioning me, but it initially bothered me that the quote she uses doesn't have the whole story/all her responses. 

 

Re-reading, could just be a cross in our wires since in my mind the focus was on me asking her if she found extra pep a bad thing wrt Shanti since she called it out, and the way she quotes it she's reading it as me correcting her that Shanti was peppy.

 

TLDR Null/Need moaarrr thoughts.

 

sounds good, thanks

 

 

Why good?

 

Do you agree or disagree/what are your thoughts on Tigs/my actual thoughts?

 

And *dies of cuteness overload*

 

I (almost) won't even care if that was a pocket pic.

 

good because you responded

 

i have no big thoughts on what you said, and i've already told you what i think about tigraine herself

 

 

This response makes now sense. If you have no big thoughts on what she said, why ask in the first place? Just for show? If someone "sounds good" just for responding then most of the players in this game would "sound good". C'mon Cuth. I need more from you.

 

hm?

 

i ask questions in general, i can't follow up on every one nor is it necessary

 

i probe, if there's something that bothers me or another question i want to ask, i will do so

 

sounds good was acknowledging a response and noting that it seemed fine, i understand why it said what it said

[Sooh]

Vote count:

 

Cuth (4): Shanti, Killanos, Tigraine, BFG

 

Alfred (1): Cass

 

Shanti (1): Adella

 

Not voting (5):  DreadPirateRoberts, Alfred Jodocus, Cuth, Shad, Dice

 

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

[Cuth]

don't maj

[Cuth]

for obvious reasons

[Cuth]

 

 

 

What do you think by cuthnyn is scummy - tdlr version

Dumb it down for me? What do you mean?

Why do you find them scummy - short version. No wall of texts or anything. Simple.

 

 

Nyn has literally contributed zero when it boils down to it, but has posted quite a bit.

 

What Cuth has contributed is noncommittal and almost lazy and when poked, tries to turn it around on poker. 

 

what i have contributed so far was on d1 when i had very few reads of any kind on any person

 

i'm not just going to babble inanely

 

i responded to what i found worth responding to

 

i still don't see what you're talking about with "trying to turn it around" on you

 

you made a case, i said why i thought it was invalid, you ignored my response, complained about how i was "attacking" you, and then just started quoting every post i've made and labeling it scum 

 

without saying why, how, or just deliberately ignoring what i've said 

 

don't know what else to say

[Sooh]

Announcement:

 

Eldrick will be replacing Alfred.

[Cuth]

 

Understood - I think with Nyn - well we see her being Nyn and it's null for most

 

But could also be blindsiding people that do know her, as someone with no experience maybe it gives me a leg up to have fresh eyes, and these fresh eyes read scum through and through.

 

at no point have you said why you think her posts are scummy

 

i genuinely cannot remember you ever explaining why, just quoting and saying lolobvscum

 

which is neither correct nor helpful

[Cuth]

eldrick!

[Sooh]

Vote count:

 

Cuth (4): Shanti, Killanos, Tigraine, BFG

 

Eldrick (1): Cass

 

Shanti (1): Adella

 

Not voting (5):  DreadPirateRoberts, Eldrick, Cuth, Shad, Dice

 

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

[dicetosser1]

 

cause shads liable to actually do that.

 

I read nyn and taking in stuff she said after   and i think she was bored. and a bored nyn is a nyn who trolls.

 

 

 

just saw ure last cass  Alf was only ever a welcome to mafia joke vote.

 

Sorry, Shad is liable to actually do what?

 

 

claim wolf when he is one

 

 

 

saved these earlier so they may look copy and pasted cause   well they are :D

 

 

hope it doesnt double post

 

 

 

I'm sorry to be that person, but I'm not following at this point. If ALF looked worse, then why switch? I really am truly sorry that it isn't clicking for me.

 

without looking back at the trains i have one word for you . 

 

Consolidation.

 

 

 

@dice where are you at on alf

 

what are your other thoughts on gamestate

 

@alf where are you at on dice

 

same question wrt gamestate

 

 alf im actually thinking town. i dont think scum make those responses knowing they may get jumped on for them   especially if theres someone who knows me in that team who can say Dice WILL jump on you.

 

the AFTERMATH of it  with tigs and killa is drawing my focus and im trying really hard not to fall in a tunnel

 

 hopes he doesnt mix these up    killa said a couple of things that seemed ok  but then there was a bit at the end that kinda threw shade at me.

 

tigs  just seems TOO focussed on it   to the point of counting the posts and disputing when i basically shrugged my shoulders and said theres what?? 4??   it doesnt seem to occur to her that thats how u have a convo with someone your asking about something  that u dont really do it in 1 post.  shes bugging me.

 

 

Adella i think is town. That WOT of her reads practically screams it. I caught her in a game on SG but i dont remember her doing anything like that there

 

i need more BFG  she started asking questions but then went quiet.

 

cass ive decided im gonna worry about later  i .dont need that headache right now

 

 

shad should be lynched but im not gonna waste my breath on it

 

 

 

@Dice it felt like you were going on a bit re: Alf mainly because you haven't said much of anything else, which is weird for you in general.  Give me game thoughts or lemme know when it will be about 4am local time plz.

 

 

 

 

im posting now and here    is it 4am yet?

 

 

There's a hint of TownDice here along the lines of what I've been looking for, which is more convincing for me than the interaction with Alf/EoD1.

 

*Watches with popcorn* 

 

 

Dice, talk to me about your thoughts on Shad + consolidation?

 

I have gut/tinfoil concerns on some of Shad's posts, but he doesn't make that move as WW imo, and if Alf is Town does he bother making that move as Scum?

 

My current take is possibly, but it seems like unnecessary effort at that point?

 

 

i think he should be lynched just for claiming wolf like he did. And yes im aware nyn did the same sort of post   the difference is style  Shad is tricky and somewhat arrogant about mafia  he is the type that will be a wolf and claim it playing on people to not believe anyone would do this.

 

 

nyn isnt. thats not her style. she never claims unless she HAS too  and even then i think thereve been games where shes been lynched without claiming.

 

As for concolidation. wolves consolidate too remember. sometimes theyd prefer THIS person be lynched then THAT person. Plus it looks good, like they are making efforts to not let it go random which is ALWAYS bad. Shad would consolidate there as either alignment so that move is in fact null.

 

FTR id have moved my vote to put someone in front too   but i ran out of time. like i said random is bad. thats how u lynch inactive PRs.

 

 

 

 

oh im not saying you didnt answer

 

im saying i liked the first and then u ruined that impression

 

Not sure I fully understood your reasoning behind it "losing points" his reason for not paying it any attention seemed valid to me. Maybe that is a newb way to think, but I have seen people go under fire for doing the opposite and questioning an out of the gate vote that had been stated to have no reasoning other than as such. Grasping to find something that isn't there?

 

 

 

 

it was tone. one post i liked for its the tone  the other caused that to be lost.

 

As for getting jumped on for reacting to a joke vote    that depends on HOW you react you can get town read just off your reaction to something. or scum read.

 

eg  some one asked AJ once a simple question   was probably are u scum. he answered with one word. I immeadiately voted him off that reaction + my gut +meta  he flipped scum.  other eg  i have correctly town read Zander off his intro post. sometimes it doesnt take much and its often the simple questions/things that actually trip people up.

 

As for grasping something that isnt there  who was i voting at EOD??  it wasnt alf. in fact im leaning town on alf   so what am i grasping for? I can tell you    responses. THATS how you form reads.

 

 

 

 

oh god someone gave the QLDer V.....

 

 

as for nyn   i think shes in a mood.  not gonna get an accurate read on her like this

 

Noncommittal and I disagree. Avoidance tactic?

 

 

umm who is noncommital? you talking about me or nyn here?

 

 

This is from Shanti

 

 

i already answered this

 

i dont put this being a real claim past shad. One of these days im gonna lynch him for this and he will flip mafia. hes tricksy enuff to think he can get away with it and probably figures that if he keeps doing it it probably raises his chances more of getting away with it

 

I dont ever see nyn doing this for real. its not her style. 

 

 

I'm not satisfied with this answer. Can't explain why exactly. Just doesn't sit right or ring true to me.

 

 

 

tell you what   when u have as much experience as me with those two then u can argue with me about it

[Cuth]

hm

 

maybe cop/doc for town and a bus driver for scum?

 

seems a little townsided

 

or a cop/jk

 

we know there's probably, unless gamethrow-level fakeclaim, a cop

 

and a doc or jk or rb or some assumedly town power role

 

13 players, probably 3 or 4 scum

 

depends on town ratio of prs

 

cop/doc+bus driver or somesuch seems like it'd be more balanced 

 

in which case we'd be looking at very few mislynches

 

hrm

 

it could also be a power-heavy game, in which case this all makes more sense

[Tigraine]

So Dice what do you think of my claim?

[Eldrick4221]

Checking in.

 

Things that I noticed while reading along:

 

Shad talked a lot about how he voted lzm over Darthe. I found it odd that he seemed to be ignoring Alf in this. Made me think he was trying to not talk about him, which made me think they are teammates.

 

But now I have to disregard that, and I know it to be untrue.

@Shad why didn't you discuss Alf when talking about EoD?

 

Shanti is coming off a lot more aggressive than she was last game. Not sure how to make of that.

 

@ShantiYou mention how you can tell Tigs is town because she overcompensates as scum. I don't recall you talking about this last game, so it strikes me as odd to mention it now.

 

Not caught up, and will do a reread/full initial read tonight.

[Cuth]

or someone unkillable for whatever reason got shot last night, i suppose

 

but that seems

 

unlikely