[Advanced] Ghost in the Shell - MAFIA WIN

[dicetosser1]

thanks nyn

 

 

zander i saw the guarentee bit and wondered but no i didnt think cop

 

didnt notice the number 1 reads bit

[Zander?]

 

 

ive never understood why u thought seph was the cop zander

 

i dont remember anything to give that impression

i

t went from zander is my #1 town

 

then for no reason he says i like dpr over zander

 

then he says i guarantee DPR is Town

 

i mean....you dont get  poss cop hint from that!?!?!

 

and this was over numerous posts

 

 

Seph and I both have each other as Town. We've agreed on reads pretty much all game. 

 

Why tf are you cop fishing at night? 

 

This is horrible, horrible play. 

 

 

how the f am i cop fishing seph claimed AFTER Tig claimed he got a random peek and BOTH of you believed tig, so are you now trying to tell m on top of Tig claimig am-cop and am-rb weve got another cop on top of it?!?!!?!?!

 

like serious wtf

 

are you even reading what people are saying???

[dicetosser1]

i gotta crash  night

[dicetosser1]

zander can u pull up the seph claiming bit ure talking about?

 

i will look in the morning tho

[Zander?]

thanks nyn

 

 

zander i saw the guarentee bit and wondered but no i didnt think cop

 

didnt notice the number 1 reads bit

 

why not, youve been sussing seph most of the game iirc, (correct me if im wrong on this)

 

youre not paying attention/commenting on to what your scum reads saying??

[Killashandra]

 

 

 

ive never understood why u thought seph was the cop zander

 

i dont remember anything to give that impression

 

i

t went from zander is my #1 town

 

then for no reason he says i like dpr over zander

 

then he says i guarantee DPR is Town

 

i mean....you dont get  poss cop hint from that!?!?!

 

and this was over numerous posts

 

Seph and I both have each other as Town. We've agreed on reads pretty much all game. 

 

Why tf are you cop fishing at night? 

 

This is horrible, horrible play.

 

how the f am i cop fishing seph claimed AFTER Tig claimed he got a random peek and BOTH of you believed tig, so are you now trying to tell m on top of Tig claimig am-cop and am-rb weve got another cop on top of it?!?!!?!?!

 

like serious wtf

 

are you even reading what people are saying???

That is not how I read those.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

ive never understood why u thought seph was the cop zander

 

i dont remember anything to give that impression

i

t went from zander is my #1 town

 

then for no reason he says i like dpr over zander

 

then he says i guarantee DPR is Town

 

i mean....you dont get  poss cop hint from that!?!?!

 

and this was over numerous posts

 

Seph and I both have each other as Town. We've agreed on reads pretty much all game. 

 

Why tf are you cop fishing at night? 

 

This is horrible, horrible play.

 

how the f am i cop fishing seph claimed AFTER Tig claimed he got a random peek and BOTH of you believed tig, so are you now trying to tell m on top of Tig claimig am-cop and am-rb weve got another cop on top of it?!?!!?!?!

 

like serious wtf

 

are you even reading what people are saying???

That is not how I read those.

 

 

you didnt read them the way i did or dpr did?

[DPR]

 

 

 

ive never understood why u thought seph was the cop zander

 

i dont remember anything to give that impression

i

t went from zander is my #1 town

 

then for no reason he says i like dpr over zander

 

then he says i guarantee DPR is Town

 

i mean....you dont get  poss cop hint from that!?!?!

 

and this was over numerous posts

 

 

Seph and I both have each other as Town. We've agreed on reads pretty much all game. 

 

Why tf are you cop fishing at night? 

 

This is horrible, horrible play. 

 

 

how the f am i cop fishing seph claimed AFTER Tig claimed he got a random peek and BOTH of you believed tig, so are you now trying to tell m on top of Tig claimig am-cop and am-rb weve got another cop on top of it?!?!!?!?!

 

like serious wtf

 

are you even reading what people are saying???

 

 

 

Tig claimed Amnesiac Cop. We've been over this. She decides who to peek, but another player gets the results.

 

You are speculating on or fishing for that other player. At night. 

 

And that's after your spew about how everything can't be your fault. 

[Zander?]

zander can u pull up the seph claiming bit ure talking about?

 

i will look in the morning tho

 

 

 

 

 

So up through page 15 now, and I have noticed I attributed alot of Sephs pushing of Cory/TLM (He was the main culprit of that) to DPR. So I wanna retract some of the wolf read/statement made about him. Seph gets all of that transferred to him.

So your transferring all of your dpr case onto me? Lol OK then.

I think you should be more worried about yourself, you literally voted Adam to make Zander happy. What person does that as town?

Anyways I am interested to hear your case based on the speculation of Cory which you said was dumb.

Have you made any cases besides ones around tlm?

First, never said I was moving the case. I am rereading and building as I go, providing updates as I do so. Dont make things up.

 

Second, wow such threat. More worried about myself? How about no. I dont care if I die, if my catchup/case catches a wolf. Besides, you havnt yet thrown out a case so theres nothing to dispute/worry about. Adam would have been lynched whether I voted him or not. The kind of person who does that is the kind of person who knows the vote is irrelevant and who also knows what its like when Zander tunnels him into oblivion regardless of his alignment.

 

Finally, its all in production. Speculating on who TLM was is stupid, but you constantly pushing it isnt a good sign. When someone does alot of stupid things, there has to be a reason behind it.

OK so please do me this favor.

 

Bring up any post after I said i was done specing about tlm towards soon I believe?

Every post in this game.or I would be 85% of yours are geared towards tlm, even here on day 2. I literally stopped specing and started playing. Something you are lacking.

 

My case on adam, and my case on ed have 0 to do with the subject,

 

Dr has a case on you and I have him above my Zander read at the moment. He is never scum In this game imo.

 

 

 

Zander calm down buddy. I love you and if you know he is trolling don't get so upset. I have been there before many of times. I need you in this game :)

 

Zander I'm not sick and you still remember things better than me lolol.

 

@ed I think I can read Zander genuinely well and have not been fooled by him as a wolf or 3p. His town game isn't easy replicated. As a wolf he still has the wim and drive to win but I think for sure he is more player not game focused.

 

I actually liked how he handled you before his explanation thus last post, I feel like he is actively engaging the thread in a good way.

 

If he is a wolf I will be absolutely floored but if he is one I would look at soon as a partner because that's what his scum game can do if he tunnels you lolol. Sorry soon

 

I will keep a eye on him but even his town reads he keeps questioning and his little turnaround on dpr I don't think would happen as a wolf (even though he is wrong)

 

 

 

seph have your reads changed at all?

 

can you like lay out a current reads list for me you may have recently im not sure but all in one post please

 

youre still the only person i feel comfortable reading as Town.

 

and we need to start forming a solid Town core.

 

and like i said if youre scum youre playing the best game of your life but if so i feel confident in the fact im "95%" sure i know where to go from there.

 

lololololol

in the process, my post is almost done. pretty much did a 180 lolz

 

 

 

I added this one because this is where I thought he was still trying to at least ATTEMPT to hide his what I thought was a pretty obv claim.

 

 

 

Ok so I need to re read from when ed entered to really get a grasp on things here but this is my current thoughts.

 

Town

Dpr

zander

niniel - she is the only one i may tinfoil on I just am having a really hard time seeing her as scum.

 

 

Now I think I touched on ed/killa enough for me not to have to rehash anything, but I want to say ed if you are town I am sorry but I just wasn't seeing anything that showed it imo.

 

So my current thoughts are ed and killa have a good chance to be town.

 

D1-n1 I was pushing ed pretty damn hard. If ed was mafia the darthe kill is weird unless the 100% had a pr. It would have been much more beneficial to kill me, zander, even nyn if he was mafia. Now the mafia in this game should have noticed ed has a very high equity to be the d2 lynch from the thread flow (if town) and killing me or zander loses alot of push as we are the most actice (again kinda working under the assumption zander is town) 

 

So in that sense I think the darthe no info kill was a good target as i also think he had pr equity from how different he was playing.

 

 

 

anyways if ed is town

and I am not wrong on my niniel/killa read the mafia should fall between

 

Nyn

dice

lenlo

sooh

 

tigs ( i need to re read before I narrow this whole list, but hers in particular)

 

[unvote]

 

 

If we look at d1 vote count

 

 

 

 

 

FINAL VOTE COUNT

 

Lenlo (2) - DPR , Niniel

 

Adam (5) - seph, Dice, Killashandra, Zander, Lenlo

 

Ed (3) - Sooh, Nyn, Adam

 

Sooh (1) - Darthe

 

Not Voting: Tigraine, Ed

 

Adam has been lynched.

I hope all my colors worked

with adam and ed green me and dice obv look the worst imo, and lenlo vote like where it was most of d1 didn't really do much.

 

adam stalled at 4 very early on so the wolves either did not vote or pushed elsewhere as to not draw attention

 

 

 

taking my dogs out and I have wow in a few hours but going to try and do some work here.

1. making sure i feel comfy with ed is my 1st goal here,  I just dont see the wolves sacrificing ed like this if he was one, of course how strong he came back makes me feel much better about this

 

New Top Town read 0 explanation.

 

I'm not going to lie Zander I didn't read that much of it.

 

Dpr has been fighting with people, speccing, looking to game solve. Weather I do or don't this is him on his town game.

 

Would not vote

 

 

Manbat. Dpr is never a wolf in this game

 

 

I started looking at seph's ISO from page 7 because this is where D2 starts.

 

I stopped at 3 and a half pages.....

 

Like seriously you all go on about me BUT EVERYTHING IM SAYING IS FROM THE THREAD DIRECTLY.

 

And this was Dice's Scum read most of the game iirc.

 

Does Town!Dice miss all this stuff?!?!?!!?

[seph]

Zander is the only townie I know who talks about prs at night lol.

 

Zander I never claimed anything like you said I did. And I do believe tina.

 

I'm also going to bed, so I'll see you all tonight

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

ive never understood why u thought seph was the cop zander

 

i dont remember anything to give that impression

i

t went from zander is my #1 town

 

then for no reason he says i like dpr over zander

 

then he says i guarantee DPR is Town

 

i mean....you dont get  poss cop hint from that!?!?!

 

and this was over numerous posts

 

 

Seph and I both have each other as Town. We've agreed on reads pretty much all game. 

 

Why tf are you cop fishing at night? 

 

This is horrible, horrible play. 

 

 

how the f am i cop fishing seph claimed AFTER Tig claimed he got a random peek and BOTH of you believed tig, so are you now trying to tell m on top of Tig claimig am-cop and am-rb weve got another cop on top of it?!?!!?!?!

 

like serious wtf

 

are you even reading what people are saying???

 

 

 

Tig claimed Amnesiac Cop. We've been over this. She decides who to peek, but another player gets the results.

 

You are speculating on or fishing for that other player. At night. 

 

And that's after your spew about how everything can't be your fault. 

 

 

 

DPR- "MY ARROWS WILL BLOT OUT THE SUN ZANDER"

 

 

[DPR]

 

ive never understood why u thought seph was the cop zander

 

i dont remember anything to give that impression

i

t went from zander is my #1 town

 

then for no reason he says i like dpr over zander

 

then he says i guarantee DPR is Town

 

i mean....you dont get  poss cop hint from that!?!?!

 

and this was over numerous posts

 

 

 

 

zander can u pull up the seph claiming bit ure talking about?

 

i will look in the morning tho

 

 

 

 

 

So up through page 15 now, and I have noticed I attributed alot of Sephs pushing of Cory/TLM (He was the main culprit of that) to DPR. So I wanna retract some of the wolf read/statement made about him. Seph gets all of that transferred to him.

So your transferring all of your dpr case onto me? Lol OK then.

I think you should be more worried about yourself, you literally voted Adam to make Zander happy. What person does that as town?

Anyways I am interested to hear your case based on the speculation of Cory which you said was dumb.

Have you made any cases besides ones around tlm?

First, never said I was moving the case. I am rereading and building as I go, providing updates as I do so. Dont make things up.

 

Second, wow such threat. More worried about myself? How about no. I dont care if I die, if my catchup/case catches a wolf. Besides, you havnt yet thrown out a case so theres nothing to dispute/worry about. Adam would have been lynched whether I voted him or not. The kind of person who does that is the kind of person who knows the vote is irrelevant and who also knows what its like when Zander tunnels him into oblivion regardless of his alignment.

 

Finally, its all in production. Speculating on who TLM was is stupid, but you constantly pushing it isnt a good sign. When someone does alot of stupid things, there has to be a reason behind it.

OK so please do me this favor.

 

Bring up any post after I said i was done specing about tlm towards soon I believe?

Every post in this game.or I would be 85% of yours are geared towards tlm, even here on day 2. I literally stopped specing and started playing. Something you are lacking.

 

My case on adam, and my case on ed have 0 to do with the subject,

 

Dr has a case on you and I have him above my Zander read at the moment. He is never scum In this game imo.

 

 

 

Zander calm down buddy. I love you and if you know he is trolling don't get so upset. I have been there before many of times. I need you in this game :)

 

Zander I'm not sick and you still remember things better than me lolol.

 

@ed I think I can read Zander genuinely well and have not been fooled by him as a wolf or 3p. His town game isn't easy replicated. As a wolf he still has the wim and drive to win but I think for sure he is more player not game focused.

 

I actually liked how he handled you before his explanation thus last post, I feel like he is actively engaging the thread in a good way.

 

If he is a wolf I will be absolutely floored but if he is one I would look at soon as a partner because that's what his scum game can do if he tunnels you lolol. Sorry soon

 

I will keep a eye on him but even his town reads he keeps questioning and his little turnaround on dpr I don't think would happen as a wolf (even though he is wrong)

 

 

 

seph have your reads changed at all?

 

can you like lay out a current reads list for me you may have recently im not sure but all in one post please

 

youre still the only person i feel comfortable reading as Town.

 

and we need to start forming a solid Town core.

 

and like i said if youre scum youre playing the best game of your life but if so i feel confident in the fact im "95%" sure i know where to go from there.

 

lololololol

in the process, my post is almost done. pretty much did a 180 lolz

 

 

 

I added this one because this is where I thought he was still trying to at least ATTEMPT to hide his what I thought was a pretty obv claim.

 

 

 

Ok so I need to re read from when ed entered to really get a grasp on things here but this is my current thoughts.

 

Town

Dpr

zander

niniel - she is the only one i may tinfoil on I just am having a really hard time seeing her as scum.

 

 

Now I think I touched on ed/killa enough for me not to have to rehash anything, but I want to say ed if you are town I am sorry but I just wasn't seeing anything that showed it imo.

 

So my current thoughts are ed and killa have a good chance to be town.

 

D1-n1 I was pushing ed pretty damn hard. If ed was mafia the darthe kill is weird unless the 100% had a pr. It would have been much more beneficial to kill me, zander, even nyn if he was mafia. Now the mafia in this game should have noticed ed has a very high equity to be the d2 lynch from the thread flow (if town) and killing me or zander loses alot of push as we are the most actice (again kinda working under the assumption zander is town) 

 

So in that sense I think the darthe no info kill was a good target as i also think he had pr equity from how different he was playing.

 

 

 

anyways if ed is town

and I am not wrong on my niniel/killa read the mafia should fall between

 

Nyn

dice

lenlo

sooh

 

tigs ( i need to re read before I narrow this whole list, but hers in particular)

 

[unvote]

 

 

If we look at d1 vote count

 

 

 

 

 

FINAL VOTE COUNT

 

Lenlo (2) - DPR , Niniel

 

Adam (5) - seph, Dice, Killashandra, Zander, Lenlo

 

Ed (3) - Sooh, Nyn, Adam

 

Sooh (1) - Darthe

 

Not Voting: Tigraine, Ed

 

Adam has been lynched.

I hope all my colors worked

with adam and ed green me and dice obv look the worst imo, and lenlo vote like where it was most of d1 didn't really do much.

 

adam stalled at 4 very early on so the wolves either did not vote or pushed elsewhere as to not draw attention

 

 

 

taking my dogs out and I have wow in a few hours but going to try and do some work here.

1. making sure i feel comfy with ed is my 1st goal here,  I just dont see the wolves sacrificing ed like this if he was one, of course how strong he came back makes me feel much better about this

 

New Top Town read 0 explanation.

 

I'm not going to lie Zander I didn't read that much of it.

 

Dpr has been fighting with people, speccing, looking to game solve. Weather I do or don't this is him on his town game.

 

Would not vote

 

 

Manbat. Dpr is never a wolf in this game

 

 

I started looking at seph's ISO from page 7 because this is where D2 starts.

 

I stopped at 3 and a half pages.....

 

Like seriously you all go on about me BUT EVERYTHING IM SAYING IS FROM THE THREAD DIRECTLY.

 

And this was Dice's Scum read most of the game iirc.

 

Does Town!Dice miss all this stuff?!?!?!!?

 

 

 

I'm not trying to use this against you, per say, but I do need to point out the hypocrisy in you just having criticized me for mistakes and saying things about players that were not true - then you do the exact same thing.

 

In the first post above, you said:

 

"then he says i guarantee DPR is Town"

 

The you iso'd Seph and none of those quotes say that. He didn't say that.

 

You're making mistakes. You're needlessly adding to the post count. It's not helping.

[DPR]

Bah. Go harass someone else. I'm not adding any more to the post count over your out-of-control bs. 

[Zander?]

Zander is the only townie I know who talks about prs at night lol.

 

Zander I never claimed anything like you said I did. And I do believe tina.

 

I'm also going to bed, so I'll see you all tonight

 

THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN TALKED ABOUT IN LENGTH FFS ITT

 

THESE ARE YOUR QUOTES MAN!!!

 

I mean i could see if none of this came out and people didnt ALREADY CLAIM it and i had found like one or 2 posts and been like

 

Hey this is why i think seph could be the cop or w/e,

 

But like this was discussed quite a bit, so big difference imo.

 

And if you wanna like blame me you made about well at least 7 posts only 1 of which as ANY reasons and it comes AFTER your reads list which had ZERO reasoning for why you placed him over me who youve had as Town from like what the first 5-10 pages maybe and NEVER FALTERED OR DOUBTED OR even QUESTIONED if you were wrong on me.

 

So ya, Ill take accountability for my play and others should for their own as well imo.

[seph]

Why are you so angry

[Zander?]

Why are you so angry

 

Because I root for the 9ers....sadface.gif

 

And im not Im simply illustrating my points and showing people what i said/thinking is true not based on my opinion alone necessarily but by whats posted itt.

[seph]

I'm not sure what you mean by hiding my dpr read had, i kinda made it pretty obvious.

 

I never claimed cop but maybe I wanted people to think that?

Maybe I just have a really strong read of dpr.

 

Maybe you should not talk about prs lol.

 

If tigs is cop it's pretty important to protect her and spouting things like you have been is no bueno.

[seph]

All that is posted is dpr is town. Now 8 times

[Zander?]

I'm not sure what you mean by hiding my dpr read had, i kinda made it pretty obvious.

 

I never claimed cop but maybe I wanted people to think that?

Maybe I just have a really strong read of dpr.

 

Maybe you should not talk about prs lol.

 

If tigs is cop it's pretty important to protect her and spouting things like you have been is no bueno.

 

Are you SERIOUSLY trying to tell me you think theres a chance the ENTIRE SCUM TEAM missed Tig's claim AND all your posts??

 

Cause if not the crap you and DPR are slinging and me is pointless shade.

 

 

All that is posted is dpr is town. Now 8 times

 

So you think im like on the crack pipe for thinking you were the cop from all that?!?!?!?!??

[Zander?]

 

I'm not sure what you mean by hiding my dpr read had, i kinda made it pretty obvious.

 

I never claimed cop but maybe I wanted people to think that?

Maybe I just have a really strong read of dpr.

 

Maybe you should not talk about prs lol.

 

If tigs is cop it's pretty important to protect her and spouting things like you have been is no bueno.

 

Are you SERIOUSLY trying to tell me you think theres a chance the ENTIRE SCUM TEAM missed Tig's claim AND all your posts??

 

Cause if not the crap you and DPR are slinging and me is pointless shade.

 

 

All that is posted is dpr is town. Now 8 times

 

So you think im like on the crack pipe for thinking you were the cop from all that?!?!?!?!??

 

 

 

And its not the Tig HERSELF only posted it once because she requoted it for someone else at least a 2nd time that I recall, not to mention the numerous times other people quoted it and the numerous other people quote an MQ with that in it.

 

Like seph if youre a Villager, take a moment to stop and think, knowing what you know of me, and tell me you dont think Id find this not only ridiculous but Scummy AF as well.

 

Like please if you are seriously take a moment or 2 to think on this.

[Nynaeve]

I guess Tigs claim could work in a game like this.

 

Dice - wouldn't I just lie about my pm to fit in if I false claimed? It doesn't say I'm a hacker.

 

If Tigs is telling the truth then hack = block. Or it could mean different things I guess. But blocking is one of them. And I can't block.

 

Zander (I think it was you who asked) - I posted and went back to sleep again. It was in the night and I shouldn't read mafia at all. :D Nyn and Dice didn't want to lynch Lenlo and you seemed okay with it but had chosen Tigs instead so I chose to follow you. It was her, Lenlo or Ed.

 

@dice, are you sure you're remembering right? Cause this is the closest I've found and it's about her following Zander, not you.

[seph]

I never said that. But when I said I believe her cop claim what would that imply zander?

 

I never claimed or stated anything other than dpr is town.

9x

 

I get it, you thought I was the cop and I understand why. You made it obvious when you thought it as well because you don't hold yourself back..... if I was or am a cop.

 

You would have outed me by yourself. (Don't get mad) because it wouldn't matter with how I was posting about dpr I am sure everyone noticed.

 

 

I'm confused on what you are trying to connect here exactly.

 

You thought I was cop, niniel claims cop, I keep my read and guarantee dpr is town. = a confused zander.

 

The scum team probably isn't talking about the cop because it looks suspicious.... if you don't belive tigs claim that's 1 thing. But I'm telling you I believe her 100% and you have 0 reason not to. She is the main character for god sake

[Zander?]

 

RULES

 

This is a Hybrid Hammer game.

My first game back had hybrids but they were two people sharing one role. Why is it so hard for you to believe I was given two NAs when the OP states it's a hybrid game? Isn't that what that means??

 

 

Its hydra's not hybrids and hydra's are 2 people sharing 1 role. never have I seen a HYDRA with multiple roles, tho i have seen MASONS and LOVERS have both players with 2 roles but that was one each and they also each have their OWN votes as well and can be LYNCHED separately with one dying without the other.  Will note, im pretty sure i read or recall a game where if one was lynched and or killed the other died but that point is not relevant here in this case tho.

[DPR]

Bookmark.

[seph]

Yes eyes are not wanting to stay open