[Advanced] Ghost in the Shell - MAFIA WIN

[Lenlo]

Quick note: Why would wolf Niniel come out with that claim, with no info to back it up? She would have had to know it would get looks and so would have been better to claim something, anything else, even a fake result, if she was a wolf. I dunno, her bringing it up doesn't benefit wolves in any way that I can find.

[Niniel]

I´m going to bed. My students have a big test tomorrow again and I will work too much. I will try to get on after work though.

 

Please read my questions and answer, whoever I asked a question. It will help me tomorrow. 

[Zander?]

 

 

You really used a x1 peek on an NPC and on N1?!!?!?!?

 

I dont even know why it is youre claiming here.

 

You have any games that you can remember where youre a Town PR and any games where you were Scum and fake claimed a PR?

 

Why are you assuming others would have the same very similar role as you??

 

 

1. No, I can´t say any that I remember right now. I can tell you that if I´m cop I always view Verbal on N1. :) Take a look in the archive. I´m sure that I have fake claimed several times as mafia but probably only when needed to get out of a lynch. 

 

I don´t assume that there are other trackers. I don´t know what kind of role there is. Maybe a cop viewed me and know that I town and then they can confirm me. Or there might have been a watcher that watched TLM? I have no idea what kind of roles are in this game, maybe someone could gain something from my reveal? Shad has told us to think outside the box. That was what I was trying to do. So far we have no clues about TLM. 

 

 

About as safe as say claiming a N1 peek on the same NPC and saying nothing was seen?!?!!?!?

 

2. About my decision to track TLM, see above. I felt that Lenlo stayed on TLM so that he wouldn´t need to take a stand on others. 

 

 

I iso´d Nyn and I get a good feeling from her. There are not as many good questions as there use to be but it could be because she is working. She seems to notice details though. She defends a lot of stuff that others find scummy and I think it´s good in this case, encourage people to not overthink things. 

 

What I really would love is your take on Seph and DPR. 

 

Can you show me an example of one us these that you liked?  Not disputing it just wanna see type of things youre looking for you to get this read.

 

And do you think this is something she couldnt fake/replicate as Scum!Nyn?

 

In your own words what are some of the things/differences between her Scum and Town games?

 

 

3. Small things. like she questioned Killa and Adam for their reads on her that seemed not game related. In #740 she questioned Killa about why he treated two inactives in a different way. She saw that you were talking about Tigs when I though you were talking about me etc. 

 

I´m sure she can fool me. Definitely. But right now I will go with town because it looks like town to me. 

 

I can´t talk much about other´s meta but she is very good at finding details and questioning people when she is town. She is also willing to defend people. Don´t know when I saw her as mafia last time. I think she might be avoiding the thread more? Can´t remember. There are few players who´s meta I know enough to use it in games. 

 

 

Youre quite trusting imo.

 

You believe DPR's and Tig's explanations but....

 

Yet you want to kill Tig but yet DPR you dont?

 

Whats the difference for this and could give each, your reasoning for each of these reads?

 

4. I believe Tigs when she says she is busy with other things = I trust her to not to lie about rl. But as you can see, I don´t like that she is on the fence on so many people early. About DPR - yes, again, I can see what went wrong with the pic thing. I was town reading DPR yesterday but I´m not sure where I have him today. I have not have the time to iso him. And I won´t have time to iso anyone else today. I hope I can go through someone else before dl. I feel that someone of Seph - Lenlo - DPR could be mafia. Yesterday I thought it was Lenlo. This is why I´m asking people to give their oppionions on these three. 

 

5. You are more than welcome to do a simple list with your current reads. 

 

1. I dont have the time to go through every one of your games in the archives.  I just dont get why'd you'd pick TLM N1 with a x1 that said the only possible reason you'd fake claim as Ive previously mentioned, there as Scum is pretty thin.  If youre Town  you sure were thinking outside the box.
2. So unlike you, Lenlo couldnt be thinking outside the box with his vote?  Like what if he's Town and just a VT say he wouldnt be able to do anything like you claimed to have done.  Is that your only reason for sussing Lenlo?
3. Was kinda hoping for quotes or make the link to the post # so I could see myself where youre coming from its hard to gauge your progression when you're pulling it from your memory.  And you only remember some of her Town gamse but not her Scum games so shes like a 1/2 of one of those peoples Meta you remember.  How confident are you on this read?
4. Wait so you believe DPR about forgetting the PM pic, and you were Town reading him atp and now youre not sure?!!?!?  Why then were you Town reading him yesterday and has changed irt DPR that youre now....not sure or Scum reading him?!!?!?!!?
5. Obv everyone knows I can't till DPR answers my question..................................

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[dicetosser1]

 

Thought about if it was a good idea to share this or not but here I go.

 

I´m a one time tracker and I chose to track The Laughing Man yesterday to see what would happen. He didn´t visit anyone. It´s a bit confusing to me since that give us no clue to what he actually does in this game. Or maybe he is just so good at hiding himself and I couldn´t see him? In that case I just wasted my track but I thought I would give it a chance. Maybe someone has seen something during the night that could confirm this later or get to learn something that I can´t. (I´m not saying that you should reveal anything right away though.)

I like this. Not necessarily the reveal itself, but trying to get info on TLM and the game setup.

 

 

I missed this and now have a question

 

@ ninel  are you a Hacker?

 

 

 

 

[v]Zander[/v]

 

I'm done.

sooh is he scum? or is that just a thatdamnedcandian!!! type vote?

with the amount of refusal to listen to sense and nitpicking at people he has done this game he may very well be scum. If I had a hero shot this game I would definitely shoot here.

 

Also thatdamnedcanadian.

Ah.

Who has played with Scum!Zandy before? I assume he's much the same kind of player....but more closed off refusing to listen like this?

Or are you saying just this game, you think he could be this game from his play, but not based off any meta?

 

 

unless this is the game he finally fooled me Zander is town.

 

this is not the game he fooled me

 

he cant fool me

[Zander?]

 

 

 

Tigraine iso.

 

She explained why she were away and why she posted in other threads first. I´m okay with that explanaition. Then her reads as I get it:

 

Killa - not sure

DPR - not sure

Ed - not sure

Sooh - town

Darthe - not sure

Dice - not sure but more scummy

Seph - scummy

 

 

So she is mostly on the fence. And she hasn´t asked any of them any questions. And she didn´t vote.

 

So Tigs = scummy.

Did you just point out that because I didn't vote on one of my scum reads that I'm scummy and then NOT VOTE ME?

 

 

Did she say that in another post Tig, I men about having an issue with you not having a vote on on of your Scum reads?

 

 

 

 

I had inspections today on my apartment... I love in the project's and have to do this once a month. I'm getting back on my reads of everyone and still have the list for zander.

 

I am town

I am not scum or wolf or mafia or 3rd party.

My alignment is town.

I won when we eliminate all threats to the town.

 

Short of promising you my first born, that's all I've got. And that's actually up for discussion. He's 11 and thinks he's 40. You're welcome to him.

 

I have to come back to this for a min. Tigs why did post this after going on about how it could potentially be a trigger, and being baffled that no one was questioning it.  What changed in that regard??

 

 

 

This and her reasoning for doing this is def one of the reason Im sussing her and barring something crazy think shes the best lynch today.

 

 

 

 

Tigraine iso.

 

She explained why she were away and why she posted in other threads first. I´m okay with that explanaition. Then her reads as I get it:

 

Killa - not sure

DPR - not sure

Ed - not sure

Sooh - town

Darthe - not sure

Dice - not sure but more scummy

Seph - scummy

 

 

So she is mostly on the fence. And she hasn´t asked any of them any questions. And she didn´t vote.

 

So Tigs = scummy.

Did you just point out that because I didn't vote on one of my scum reads that I'm scummy and then NOT VOTE ME?

 

 

I´m not done isoíng. 

 

 

If you did do what Tig said above then ya, its a tad hypocritical especially if Tig had said something like, Im still catching up, havent iso everyone etc something along those lines.

 

 

I assure you that I will vote before dl. As you can see, neither Tigs or Ed voted yesterday. 

 

FINAL VOTE COUNT

 

Lenlo (2) - DPR, Niniel

 

Adam (5) - seph, Dice, Killashandra, Zander, Lenlo

 

Ed (3) - Sooh, Nyn, Adam

 

Sooh (1) - Darthe

 

Not Voting: Tigraine, Ed

 

Adam has been lynched.

 

 

I can see that you are not a fan of my claim. So you think I´m mafia? 

 

 

Your 1st response in red doesnt address the first issues/concerns I raised and you just say her and and didnt vote.  I also didnt ask/question if you were gonna vote before DL, feels kinda like a deflection.

 

No Im most def not a fan and not just of the claim itself, its also the timing under 0 pressure and with nothing of note to share form it.  Seriously youre asking me if I think youre Mafia when I starting sussing you like within your prolly first 10 posts when I said i thought you were discrediting my LD inquiry questions?!!?!?!  Now after the claim Im much less inclined to think so because like i said even tho i hate the claim- the choice of person, the night (being as you claimed it as x1), the fact you claimed at all, the spot you chose to do it BUT with all that said I have a really hard time thinking why youd do that as Scum.  I mean Ive mentioned why but it makes less sense to me then the first.  Odds tell me your prolly Town tho my gut is flipping every time i try to say Nini even could be Town.

[Zander?]

 

 

Thought about if it was a good idea to share this or not but here I go.

 

I´m a one time tracker and I chose to track The Laughing Man yesterday to see what would happen. He didn´t visit anyone. It´s a bit confusing to me since that give us no clue to what he actually does in this game. Or maybe he is just so good at hiding himself and I couldn´t see him? In that case I just wasted my track but I thought I would give it a chance. Maybe someone has seen something during the night that could confirm this later or get to learn something that I can´t. (I´m not saying that you should reveal anything right away though.)

I like this. Not necessarily the reveal itself, but trying to get info on TLM and the game setup.

 

 

I missed this and now have a question

 

@ ninel  are you a Hacker?

 

 

 

 

[v]Zander[/v]

 

I'm done.

sooh is he scum? or is that just a thatdamnedcandian!!! type vote?

with the amount of refusal to listen to sense and nitpicking at people he has done this game he may very well be scum. If I had a hero shot this game I would definitely shoot here.

 

Also thatdamnedcanadian.

Ah.

Who has played with Scum!Zandy before? I assume he's much the same kind of player....but more closed off refusing to listen like this?

Or are you saying just this game, you think he could be this game from his play, but not based off any meta?

 

 

unless this is the game he finally fooled me Zander is town.

 

this is not the game he fooled me

 

he cant fool me

 

 

It isnt

 

Correct

 

I can imo

[dicetosser1]

 

 

 

unless this is the game he finally fooled me Zander is town.

 

this is not the game he fooled me

 

he cant fool me

 

 

It isnt

 

Correct

 

I can imo

 

 

you wish jellyfish

[Killashandra]

I feel like this whole game is the boys arguing with themselves.

 

I think tig has a valid point about you guys focusing only on what suits your own narrative. Y'all are writing this game not playing it. Every one else is kinda have a hard time and its not the number off posts. The fun has been totally sucked right out of this game. All the main guy players excepting ed have been total fun suckers. This morning I thought it was going to recover and was hopeful. Nah its just getting worse and I am totally bored.

 

I will finish the game. But yeah imo y'all have ruined shad's really cool flavor game.

[Zander?]

I feel like this whole game is the boys arguing with themselves.

 

I think tig has a valid point about you guys focusing only on what suits your own narrative. Y'all are writing this game not playing it. Every one else is kinda have a hard time and its not the number off posts. The fun has been totally sucked right out of this game. All the main guy players excepting ed have been total fun suckers. This morning I thought it was going to recover and was hopeful. Nah its just getting worse and I am totally bored.

 

I will finish the game. But yeah imo y'all have ruined shad's really cool flavor game.

 

i like how you only throw the guys under the bus here. sexist imo...lolololol but seriously tho i def disagree here.

 

also even your choice in just guys is not right either, like what has dice lenlo seph done?

 

and while i def dont agree with you leaving the girls out, even if you think its just me for the guys just say.   it.i know the people away from the game that i got worked up by so it hurts a little more when it happens with peeps i like but i said my piece and stand by it and moved forward.

 

youre gonna see that even without players that can or have cause/start/been involved in, players like myself, derf, dpr, theres others tho theyll be offended if i call them out that DM had some bits of drama in prolly 75% of the games we play here.

 

it happens. thats why im not a fan of personal attacks or people doing stuff to deliberately tilt people to start crap and drama.

 

a lot of the time tho even in those games theres like  blow up, then people either get over it in like a few pages or step away for a few hours or overnight and move on and thats that. 

 

its unfortunate you feel that way tho it wasnt involving you directly but hopefully you come back.

 

like me and shad for example, the way we read each other, is like a 20-40 page back and forth....lololololol

 

some people like to insult people by like calling them dumb, some people take it in stride some dont,

 

some people actually enjoy fighting.

 

its the internet and theres many different personalities and some times they clash

 

like nolder has darthe on permanent ignore because he dont like him.

 

thick skin, short memories and the ability to forgive are great mafia and well i guess life skills too.

 

but you have to understand this whole game is basically like an advanced version of guess who for adults with attitudes...lolololol

 

arguing is obv part of it and arguing can pretty easily lead to fighting

[seph]

so much ate in this game ><

I literally couldn't sleep because after i woke up i kept thinking about mafia..

[Tigraine]

I'm curious as to what other people think about using NAs against TLM like nini did. Good or bad? Pros and cons?

[Zander?]

so much ate in this game ><

 

I literally couldn't sleep because after i woke up i kept thinking about mafia..

 

agreed and admittedly im def part of it.

 

but i said my piece early and have since moved on.

[Zander?]

 

I'm curious as to what other people think about using NAs against TLM like nini did. Good or bad? Pros and cons?

 

 

Ive made numerous posts about this and others have commented on it so i dunno what youre looking for?

 

you want very single person to do it? 

 

if so glgl with that, it only took me 3-4 dl days jsut to get you to say youre town.....lolololololol

 

and not everyone even did ffs.

[Tigraine]

 

 

I'm curious as to what other people think about using NAs against TLM like nini did. Good or bad? Pros and cons?

Ive made numerous posts about this and others have commented on it so i dunno what youre looking for?

 

you want very single person to do it?

 

if so glgl with that, it only took me 3-4 dl days jsut to get you to say youre town.....lolololololol

 

and not everyone even did ffs.

I'm not specifically asking about the NA that nini claimed to have used. I mean other actions, like a cop NA or a roleblocker. We had one person killed last night but that doesn't mean that TLM doesn't have a kill. Maybe somebody blocked him or maybe somebody blocked whoever turns in NAs for the wolves. We don't know. So again, what are your thoughts on that?

[Zander?]

seph have your reads changed at all?

 

can you like lay out a current reads list for me you may have recently im not sure but all in one post please

 

youre still the only person i feel comfortable reading as Town.

 

and we need to start forming a solid Town core.

 

and like i said if youre scum youre playing the best game of your life but if so i feel confident in the fact im "95%" sure i know where to go from there.

 

lololololol

[Zander?]

 

 

 

I'm curious as to what other people think about using NAs against TLM like nini did. Good or bad? Pros and cons?

Ive made numerous posts about this and others have commented on it so i dunno what youre looking for?

 

you want very single person to do it?

 

if so glgl with that, it only took me 3-4 dl days jsut to get you to say youre town.....lolololololol

 

and not everyone even did ffs.

I'm not specifically asking about the NA that nini claimed to have used. I mean other actions, like a cop NA or a roleblocker. We had one person killed last night but that doesn't mean that TLM doesn't have a kill. Maybe somebody blocked him or maybe somebody blocked whoever turns in NAs for the wolves. We don't know. So again, what are your thoughts on that?

 

 

these type of questions are what some consider fishing,

 

im not sure if youre familiar with the term or not but just in case its basically when Scum arent sure who the PR's are and are looking for clues to help wiht their NK selections.

 

its generally Scummy AF especially this earlier in the game.  we've already had 2 people claim and if theyre both Town its just poor plays to out themselves here especially when neither had much or any suss on them.

[seph]

seph have your reads changed at all?

 

can you like lay out a current reads list for me you may have recently im not sure but all in one post please

 

youre still the only person i feel comfortable reading as Town.

 

and we need to start forming a solid Town core.

 

and like i said if youre scum youre playing the best game of your life but if so i feel confident in the fact im "95%" sure i know where to go from there.

 

lololololol

in the process, my post is almost done. pretty much did a 180 lolz

[seph]

using a cop or roleblock on tlm is bad.... espscially if you are the cop, please do not do this when you can mech lock a game by yourself.

[Killashandra]

Some of this was tongue in check so dont take it too serious and Lenlo got a little caught up in the arguments I am thinking of when he did post more than once a page.

 

I am singling out the guys a little bit (mostly as a joke) because which lady is in the circle of direct conflict and arguing? Sooh only had conflict with Zander.

 

I am not saying anything against anything you even listed here. Just expressing how I felt after reading pages of y'all bickering.

[Killashandra]

Anyway. Moving on.

[seph]

Ok so I need to re read from when ed entered to really get a grasp on things here but this is my current thoughts.

Town
Dpr
zander
niniel - she is the only one i may tinfoil on I just am having a really hard time seeing her as scum.


Now I think I touched on ed/killa enough for me not to have to rehash anything, but I want to say ed if you are town I am sorry but I just wasn't seeing anything that showed it imo.

So my current thoughts are ed and killa have a good chance to be town.

D1-n1 I was pushing ed pretty damn hard. If ed was mafia the darthe kill is weird unless the 100% had a pr. It would have been much more beneficial to kill me, zander, even nyn if he was mafia. Now the mafia in this game should have noticed ed has a very high equity to be the d2 lynch from the thread flow (if town) and killing me or zander loses alot of push as we are the most actice (again kinda working under the assumption zander is town) 

So in that sense I think the darthe no info kill was a good target as i also think he had pr equity from how different he was playing.



anyways if ed is town
and I am not wrong on my niniel/killa read the mafia should fall between

Nyn
dice
lenlo
sooh

tigs ( i need to re read before I narrow this whole list, but hers in particular)

[unvote]


If we look at d1 vote count



 

 

FINAL VOTE COUNT

Lenlo (2) - DPR , Niniel

Adam (5) - seph, Dice, Killashandra, Zander, Lenlo

Ed (3) - Sooh, Nyn, Adam

Sooh (1) - Darthe

Not Voting: Tigraine, Ed

Adam has been lynched.

I hope all my colors worked
with adam and ed green me and dice obv look the worst imo, and lenlo vote like where it was most of d1 didn't really do much.

adam stalled at 4 very early on so the wolves either did not vote or pushed elsewhere as to not draw attention



taking my dogs out and I have wow in a few hours but going to try and do some work here.
1. making sure i feel comfy with ed is my 1st goal here,  I just dont see the wolves sacrificing ed like this if he was one, of course how strong he came back makes me feel much better about this

[seph]

Anyway. Moving on.

curious on your reads not influenced by my last post if they were.

 

and what you think of my post in general?

[seph]

on the darthe kill it was supposed to read. unless they 100% thought they had him as a pr

[Killashandra]

You want my reads from before you most resent post and then to know how your post may or may not have effected them? Just to be clear on what you asking because am totally willing to do that.

[seph]

You want my reads from before you most resent post and then to know how your post may or may not have effected them? Just to be clear on what you asking because am totally willing to do that.

yes! sorry I don't always form my sentences the way I want them lol