[Advanced] Fight Club Mafia! - Game Thread!

The Crusher · March 21, 2017

Ay yo, Clov!!!

*huffs*

Rude.

While the first assumption is if she was killed, she was town. But what about her roll? And it's an advanced game; lord knows what could have gone on behind the scenes to make her unidentified.

Page 1 hasn't been updated with her death yet.

I told you. The powder was lye. Mix lye and water and you get a nasty chemical burn. It's directly from the movie. Was used on the hand as part of an initiation.

Ahhhhh yeah I was gonna ask why you said that. I've never seen the movie.

You what? Not funny Ed. You got till Friday to see it. There will ba a quiz.

How about this...

You post some real quality content and I'll watch the movie.

That's more than fair. Though I did explain in the sign up thread I struggle with advanced set ups. Just struggling to get bearings. I will do my best to post something today before deadline.

seph · March 21, 2017

What I got so far (in order of player list):

1. BFG - Meh. Relies far too heavily on player's manual. Slight scum lean.

2. Darthe - Scummish. As previously stated, doing his Darthe act.

3. Sooh - Personally, I found her wishy-washy, bordering on nervous for D1. Scum lean

4. Ironeyes - Null

5. Cuth - Town lean

6. Seph - Scum or really rattled. He really did blanket clear most of the game to focus on nonsense.

7. Songstress - Null to Town.

8. Wildfire Sedai - Null. Probably a Godfather.

9. Crusher - Null. Need to see more play.

10. DreadPirateRoberts - Dead sexy

11. Dicetosser1 - Null

12. Hallia - Null. Need to see more play.

13, Ed2funy - Got my eye here. Need just a bit more to see intention.

annd have to move you back down.

care to explain why tress is town?

seph · March 21, 2017

What just happened

What just happened

Sooh was burned beyond recognition by during her with lye after showering.

So as a result we don't get any info from her death? Well that makes this a whole lot harder.

meh i feel like this response was genuine and towny.

Actual work happening at work, imagine that. Hoping things calm down in 3 hours or so. I am processing a few thoughts, will do a full list of reads when I get home.

Until then, the first thing I want to say is that DPR listing me as "null to town" in his reads list gave me a slight skin crawling moment. I am assuming this is entirely based on the theory that all 3 top trains yesterday were on townies because I was superbly terrible over the weekend.

Other than that I have felt pretty ok with him, he won't be on my WTL today. Will narrow it down when I get home tonight.

I like tress's response to this and to ed actually. I want to give her a slight town lean but im going to wait until she digs in a bit, as she is usually better after d1

seph · March 21, 2017

BFG <3
Wildfire Sedai
Dicetosser1
Ed2funy

Ironeyes- someone i keep going back and fourth on as i read them ><
Songstress- null to slight town

DreadPirateRoberts-null

Crusher-null

Hallia- hallia lack of posting is more scum sided and have to move her here atm
Darthe
Cuth

wouldnt this game be funny if the mafia was in hallia, crush, darthe, iron lol.

Ironeyes · March 21, 2017

he is the lower end of my list and isn't really playing, besides that there has been a dec amount of discussion revolving around him. if im goiing to have 2 people fight him and cuth will provide the most info. tbh i wouldn't mind fighting cuth either though.

im not sure if any other fights make sense? maybe iron/cuth iron i believe said he thought cuth was towny after the fiight, and not much about dpr i remember if anything. and was voting cuth when the phase ended. i think it looks bad regardless, but more so if cuth is town.

I can explain that vote pretty easily: I missed the entire fight because it was on Sunday. I don't come online on Sundays, so I dropped my vote on Cuth right after the nomination phase ended. Then came back on Monday and read the whole thing after the fact. If it had been on any other day of the week I'd have followed along and probably would have gotten on the no-lynch train as well.

Ironeyes · March 21, 2017

BTW I'm definitely liking this spurt of content from Seph. His reads make sense to me

Songstress · March 21, 2017

Tress can you talk about Crusher?

LOL, thanks for that. I threw him in there because I thought I saw something... I reread his ISO and there's less content than I would have hoped. I guess his D1 vote on Sooh with what passes for reasoning D1 and his poking at Cuth gave me a positive impression in my head when I was doing a quick sort of the player list to decide who I should read closer.

So I guess he doesn't belong with the definitely not on my WTL, but I do need more from him.

*pokes Crush*

Ironeyes · March 21, 2017

So we got

Lock town:

Ironeyes--I checked his role PM :wink:

Likely town:

Sooh--I know she's dead but since we didn't get a flip I think it's worth stating that I'm pretty sure she was town.

Ed--Good analysis, strong WIM. Even though I don't necessarily agree with his reads, I see clearly where he's coming from.

Dice--Tone mostly.

Lean town:

BFG--Normally one of those people who becomes obv town pretty quickly, but hasn't posted quite enough to get there yet. I'm pretty shaky on this read.

DPR--I liked his posts during the fight.

Wifi--Basically just guessing here. She's really hard to read, but I don't sense the kind of nervousness that I felt from her last time she played scum.

Seph--Vague tone read, as well as reads that make sense to me. I'm shaky on this read as well.

IDK:

Darthe--Who even knows... I can't read darthe to save my life, which is hilarious since he reads me like an open book.

Cuth--I liked how he was during the fight, which is why he's up here instead of in the scum catagory. I'm half-and-half on him.

Tress--Just null for now.

Crusher--Same as above.

Lean scum:

Hallia--Where the heck is she? This isn't normal for her at all.

Def scum:

IDK yet

Cuth · March 21, 2017

seph, for real? for real?

Cuth · March 21, 2017

hm

in a game like this the scums are not going to hang off the top wagons

they're going to be on ones like ours and maybe Tress if they can get away with it

por eso and for other reasons we get down to, like

darthe/sooh/seph

that's my revised scum poe, though i'd definitely lynch seph over sooh

seph... was blatantly towny last game, i thought

this game he comes in, just blanket townreads half of the game without ever saying why, and then is inconsistent in talking about who his suspects are and why

he has pretty high equity at this point

In light of soohs death this post intrigues me. And actually fits more into his scum game.

oh and yeah i'm not 100% on Darthe obviously, though i still think there's a very good chance there

have been purposefully exaggerating

oh right seph was also pushing the dpr/me agenda ever since he got back

which while it could be town there's also the problematic bit that he's pushing two towns (assuming DPR is, which i'm pretty convinced of)

So he isn't near 100% on his darthe read but is now in turn reading me/sooh/dpr based on his darthe read. I don't understand how town comes at a game like this. The other issue I have is during the fight he likes that dpr and him are on the same train of thought, however all dpr is doing is literally sheeping cuth, and has maybe came up with maybe 1 originally idea on darthe.

I would agree with cuth if it was like wild west where me and him were both in the thread posting in unison with the same ideas, but like I said it just seeping and I think cuth looks worse here for it.

[V]cuth [/v]

[V]darthe [/v] for now

seph, on 18 Mar 2017 - 6:40 PM, said:

Talk to me about dpr cuth. Why do you have him as town?
mmmmostly because who's voting him and who he's voting :P

This makes 0 sense from a town perspective on day 1 where we are making our own info and nothing concrete.

Please expand a bit on this for me to understand.

Dr voted Darth because he hasn't came back into the thread and has made 0 posts or progression there. How besides he is voting your suspect is that townie?

Your then adding him to town for being voted by your suspect who you have 0 knowledge about.

Cuth this doesn't make sense???

[unvote crusher]

[V] cuth [/v]

I still stand by this and I am more confused about this with posts he makes later. If they are not in this multi, I will post them after as my phone gets confusing.

no, incorrect

the top two scums i had at that point were voting him and being voted by him

it's d1, yes, but i'm not going to sit around, twiddle my thumbs, and avoid making reads until people die

in this case, i am, and was, quite confident in feeling Darthe as scum

as such, him voting and being voted by DPR, added to the fact that there was a wagon on DPR in the first place, based on nothing solid, added to the fact that DPR was voting and being voted by Sooh as well

all of this = town, at least for d1

it would be completely idiotic for me to lynch someone who's being scumread by and voting my top two suspects, and it does heavily lead me to believe that he's town, particularly given the subpar reasons for voting him in the first place

Cuth, on 18 Mar 2017 - 7:42 PM, said:

1. I updated my list while reading

2.scum will always try and do so, but I'm viewing dpr as having trouble posting in the thread. Not just lack of game solve.

3. You are right it's not a viable scum tell. But that with his random votes with lackluster reasons. Which the tone doesn't seem natural on bug the cap out of me and I won't get over it.

Town player who isn't going to help is going to be lynched eventually regardless. I'm this game I have 0 idea if he is scum but he is by fr no where near my town list and deserves to be the lynch over sooh/WiFi some people are votinf

coughcoughdarthe

OK good I did have at least 1 in here. So he apparently is voting darthe and town reading dpr for the same thing, he isn't denying dpr as doing this but just says but yea darthe is doing it as well. I'm not sure how this works cuth, and yes I know there is more to your darthe case than just that, but your using something to vote 1 person your town reading another for. In light darthe d1 wasn't as bad as dpr's besides his eod probably

sorry if this post didn't come across clearly, but my point was not that darthe was scummy for the same reasons, which he wasn't and I was never trying to intimate, but rather that given how strongly you felt about DPR being "scummy" and voting him and discussing him a ton you were still saying "I have 0 idea if he's scum" and "weirds me out" and "deserves to be the lynch over some other people"

like those are legitimately not reasons to vote for people

and you should not vote for people just on that

the coughcoughdarthe was suggesting that given your seeming lack of actual belief that DPR could be scum that you might perhaps vote Darthe instead

Cuth · March 21, 2017

Cuth, on 19 Mar 2017 - 08:25 AM, said:

hm

in a game like this the scums are not going to hang off the top wagons

they're going to be on ones like ours and maybe Tress if they can get away with it

por eso and for other reasons we get down to, like

darthe/sooh/seph

that's my revised scum poe, though i'd definitely lynch seph over sooh

seph... was blatantly towny last game, i thought

this game he comes in, just blanket townreads half of the game without ever saying why, and then is inconsistent in talking about who his suspects are and why

he has pretty high equity at this point

In light of soohs death this post intrigues me. And actually fits more into his scum game.

Do tell. I'm legitimately curious to see why this post "intrigues you" and "fits more into my scum game".

Cuth, on 19 Mar 2017 - 08:27 AM, said:

oh and yeah i'm not 100% on Darthe obviously, though i still think there's a very good chance there

have been purposefully exaggerating

oh right seph was also pushing the dpr/me agenda ever since he got back

which while it could be town there's also the problematic bit that he's pushing two towns (assuming DPR is, which i'm pretty convinced of)

So he isn't near 100% on his darthe read but is now in turn reading me/sooh/dpr based on his darthe read. I don't understand how town comes at a game like this. The other issue I have is during the fight he likes that dpr and him are on the same train of thought, however all dpr is doing is literally sheeping cuth, and has maybe came up with maybe 1 originally idea on darthe.

I would agree with cuth if it was like wild west where me and him were both in the thread posting in unison with the same ideas, but like I said it just seeping and I think cuth looks worse here for it.

Vote: cuth

Vote: darthe for now

what do you mean i'm not near 100%

once again, tell me where I said I was "not near 100%"

or aanything along that line

and once again, yes, even if DPR were sheeping me, which he's fairly clearly not because he voted Sooh before I mentioned her as one of my candidates iirc, he's voting for scum

soooooo yeah

Cuth · March 21, 2017

he is the lower end of my list and isn't really playing, besides that there has been a dec amount of discussion revolving around him. if im goiing to have 2 people fight him and cuth will provide the most info. tbh i wouldn't mind fighting cuth either though.

im not sure if any other fights make sense? maybe iron/cuth iron i believe said he thought cuth was towny after the fiight, and not much about dpr i remember if anything. and was voting cuth when the phase ended. i think it looks bad regardless, but more so if cuth is town.

would you be willing to fight darthe?

Cuth · March 21, 2017

Dpr is my highest suspect for scum. His play has been so shady, like his pop in vote 10 mons ago and dissapears.

I really think this thread has been super towny and tbh I would only vote probably 4 people.

OK Cuth

1. His play this game is by far one of the most scummy. This has been a towny game I'm and he has put in 0 effort to solve it, with lackluster reasons for his votes, which he has 0 progression on.

2. I never said I don't see his play not Coming from a town perspective, I said it to you earlier.

3. My vote isn't based on this game compared to that 3p game. I am staying it is entirely different though.

4. You can see how hard he tried to solve it, there is a big difference and makes me think I am right though.

5. When he does post there is nothing actually helping us solve this game

i'm not saying you said you couldn't see his play coming from a town perspective

i am asking you

right here

and right now

whether you think not solving is >rand scum

Yes I think putting no effort (not just solving) is indeed. Especially in a game like this where I feel confident or at least good about most people.

Sooh

WiFi

Dice

Ed

Bfg (though I disliked her recent interaction with Cuth a bit)

Iron

Tress

Darth

Hallie

Crusher

Cuth

Dpr

IA pretty much how I feel atm

these things do not line up with each other

and there was no progression in the middle, basically just me grilling him on why he felt so strongly, apparently, about dpr

he said several times that the whole game was very towny, but his readslist doesn't match up with that and his statements he made around EoD conflict on several levels

@seph, you had nothing to say about this post?

your reads around EoD

they do not logically make sense with what you posted

Lizabeth · March 21, 2017

Vote Count!

Darthe - 3 - Cuth, DreadPirateRoberts, Seph
Seph - 4 - Cuth, DreadPirateRoberts, Ed2funy, BFG
Songstress - 1 - Ed2funy
Cuth - 1 - Seph

Day Two - Nomination Phase ends at 11:00 PM Eastern on Tuesday, March 21.

(Same as Clov's last one, just updated for format...because I could :) )

DPR · March 21, 2017

I have content to add, but I have a business issue taking up all my time today - a movie production has shut down the entire street my business is on and they're filming right outside my door. No advance notice and no bueno for business.

I'll read up when I can and will post later this afternoon.

Songstress · March 21, 2017

I have to run to work, so ISOs are going to be on pause... and deadline for nominations is right in the middle of my work day.

Showing my work:

HALLIA:

One game content post so far, promised on Sunday night to catch up Monday.

- Town vibes on cuth

- Questioned whether Sooh liked Cuth's read on Darthe or not

- Soft defended Seph against Ed, noted Seph's activity good if he's town or mafia

IRONEYES:

Fairly active - decent amount of content with low number of posts.

- States intent to sheep Darthe, then acknowledges he is trying to do less sheeping of strong/loud players

- Voted Cuth for trying to rally votes on Darthe... states difference between making a case and trying to manipulate others to vote... notes the push reminds him of a play used by Scum!Darthe... tries multiple times to articulate the distinction between what Cuth said he was doing in calling for the lynch of his top suspect and what he felt Cuth was doing in manipulating votes... then notes after questioned by Seph that he's only played with Cuth once as a scummate and might be wrong, notes he has a tendency to be swayed by recency bias

- Questions Dice as to his reasons for voting him, then accepts response that it was a gut reaction to Marsh's vote on Cuth

- D2 states Cuth seems more town due to eagerness to no-lynch, feels DPR and Cuth are both more likely to be town due to their arguments to no lynch during the fight phase

- Likes Seph's recent content, makes sense to him

- Full reads list given, mostly town and nulls, with only one scum lean on Hally due to inactivity

At this point Hally's lack of content is kind of concerning - I know she's generally busy with a job she literally can't play during (whereas I technically can get online on my phone but just shouldn't and have performance metrics to meet) but the longer she goes without even trying to let us know where her head is at, the more I worry.

I'll jump back in during my lunch break and decide where to put my votes for the day and try to articulate some reasoning while I'm at it.

*pokes Crush and Hally for more content*

Cuth · March 21, 2017

However active Hallia normally is, she's being just about as active this game as she was in Wild West.

Songstress · March 21, 2017

However active Hallia normally is, she's being just about as active this game as she was in Wild West.

Is that your recollection? I just checked her ISO in that game, and there is a major difference.

Granted, there was quite a bit more content in the first 24 hours of the game for her to comment on, but she had a heck of a lot more game related posts within 24 hours of that game's start than she has here into D2.

dicetosser1 · March 21, 2017

ive had a full nights sleep and feel like crap.

if i didnt know i haven't had alcohol in a week id say i had a hangover.

dicetosser1 · March 21, 2017

someone read thru sephs last few pages and then tell me how he is scummy.

Cuth · March 21, 2017

However active Hallia normally is, she's being just about as active this game as she was in Wild West.

Is that your recollection? I just checked her ISO in that game, and there is a major difference.

Granted, there was quite a bit more content in the first 24 hours of the game for her to comment on, but she had a heck of a lot more game related posts within 24 hours of that game's start than she has here into D2.

hm idk

i just remember her not being a very active player beyond potentially the first bit

she'd show up now and then but not really do much

could be misremembering completely

Cuth · March 21, 2017

someone read thru sephs last few pages and then tell me how he is scummy.

read through seph's last few pages and tell me how he is towny

dicetosser1 · March 21, 2017

he is engaging the thread, hes showing his thinking, basically he is working. plus his thinking isnt 100% correct its a little messy u know? doesnt seem crafted

Cuth · March 21, 2017

he is engaging the thread, hes showing his thinking, basically he is working. plus his thinking isnt 100% correct its a little messy u know? doesnt seem crafted

how is that

what

are you saying you think scum's thinking, particularly seph's scum thinking, who is a fairly open and posty and talkative player in any regard, would... not... be... as messy?

seph · March 21, 2017

seph, on 18 Mar 2017 - 6:40 PM, said:

Talk to me about dpr cuth. Why do you have him as town?
mmmmostly because who's voting him and who he's voting :P

This makes 0 sense from a town perspective on day 1 where we are making our own info and nothing concrete.

Please expand a bit on this for me to understand.

Dr voted Darth because he hasn't came back into the thread and has made 0 posts or progression there. How besides he is voting your suspect is that townie?

Your then adding him to town for being voted by your suspect who you have 0 knowledge about.

Cuth this doesn't make sense???

[unvote crusher]

[V] cuth [/v]

I still stand by this and I am more confused about this with posts he makes later. If they are not in this multi, I will post them after as my phone gets confusing.

no, incorrect

the top two scums i had at that point were voting him and being voted by him

it's d1, yes, but i'm not going to sit around, twiddle my thumbs, and avoid making reads until people die

in this case, i am, and was, quite confident in feeling Darthe as scum

as such, him voting and being voted by DPR, added to the fact that there was a wagon on DPR in the first place, based on nothing solid, added to the fact that DPR was voting and being voted by Sooh as well

all of this = town, at least for d1

it would be completely idiotic for me to lynch someone who's being scumread by and voting my top two suspects, and it does heavily lead me to believe that he's town, particularly given the subpar reasons for voting him in the first place

Cuth, on 18 Mar 2017 - 7:42 PM, said:

1. I updated my list while reading

2.scum will always try and do so, but I'm viewing dpr as having trouble posting in the thread. Not just lack of game solve.

3. You are right it's not a viable scum tell. But that with his random votes with lackluster reasons. Which the tone doesn't seem natural on bug the cap out of me and I won't get over it.

Town player who isn't going to help is going to be lynched eventually regardless. I'm this game I have 0 idea if he is scum but he is by fr no where near my town list and deserves to be the lynch over sooh/WiFi some people are votinf

coughcoughdarthe

OK good I did have at least 1 in here. So he apparently is voting darthe and town reading dpr for the same thing, he isn't denying dpr as doing this but just says but yea darthe is doing it as well. I'm not sure how this works cuth, and yes I know there is more to your darthe case than just that, but your using something to vote 1 person your town reading another for. In light darthe d1 wasn't as bad as dpr's besides his eod probably

sorry if this post didn't come across clearly, but my point was not that darthe was scummy for the same reasons, which he wasn't and I was never trying to intimate, but rather that given how strongly you felt about DPR being "scummy" and voting him and discussing him a ton you were still saying "I have 0 idea if he's scum" and "weirds me out" and "deserves to be the lynch over some other people"

like those are legitimately not reasons to vote for people

and you should not vote for people just on that

the coughcoughdarthe was suggesting that given your seeming lack of actual belief that DPR could be scum that you might perhaps vote Darthe instead

ok so #1 darthes vote was a joke. your taking his joke vote and applying this to a read. so yes it makes 0 sense dude.

How do you feel now that sooh was the nightkill? I am just confused on how you are not trying to resolve dpr, but blindly town read him from that joke vote. darthe had no real substance besides 1 townread? until his later terrible eod?

literally from what your telling me in a nutshell. you town read dpr from a joke vote, and from sooh who was probably the most towny in the damn thread and was the nk?

So your saying if i felt 100% sure dpr is scum you would feel better lol?

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