[Advanced] Old West Mischief Mafia - Town Wins!

[BFG]

Hence why 'hypocrisy' was in ' '

[Lizabeth]

[V] no lynch [/v] gl wolves.

Why? Dice says he has a red check, so why would we go no lynch?

[dicetosser1]

umm i got your joke liz. I even responded to it by saying something like "yep ure in trouble"  so would you like to try that again?

[Lizabeth]

Lol is it really vitriol? Is it? 

 

I think you're being a bit obtuse in realizing why there was focus on you because I think it should've changed your opinion of other people's actions by now. Is it "complaining" or is it questioning? Is it "tunneling" or being "narrow" or was it actually somewhat deserved. I dunno, I feel like I've seen this same post from you multiple times and I just think you're looking at the game in way that isn't constructive for scum hunting.

 

 

 

With DPR...to be honest I'm largely ignoring his posts at the moment because he's either town who is stuck and has an overly vitriolic approach to pursuing a tunnel or he's very crafty scum who is weaving a web that one can only wifom about without more information. Either way, I don't think that me having conversations with him will be very productive for now. Right now MrsClov have him in our "likely town" pile, because it would be really unusual for someone to put that much effort and energy into that elaborate of a theory if they didn't believe it. But I also don't know DPR outside of this game and I know a few players who would be invested enough to try that kind of a move. But we've decided not to focus too much on tinfoil reads right now.

 

 

I think the bold is also a dangerous train of thought.

Okay, first of all, don't insult me.

 

Yes, I understand why people were focused on us. But you need to understand that from my perspective it was bad reasoning. We're allowed to have different perspectives in this game.

 

And yes, I know it's dangerous to assume that someone would not put that much effort into their scum game. Which is why we're not assuming. We're choosing to put that possibility on the backburner for now. It can always be returned to later if necessary.

[Lizabeth]

umm i got your joke liz. I even responded to it by saying something like "yep ure in trouble"  so would you like to try that again?

You obviously didn't get the joke about me having to ask mrsclov for permission and then impulsively voting you after Cass suggested that I just do what I want. Because you kept bringing it up ad nauseum for the next two days.

 

But I'm not interested in rehashing it now. We can argue about it after the game.

[Wildfire Sedai]

 

 

 

Cuth can you explain where Eldricks 'delayed' results came from? I remember him claiming he'd been offered a choice, but don't recall any time delay thing?

he said something along the lines of "i had to make a choice and i'm worried it might result in me dying target me please doctor"

 

 

@ BFG - Why ask Cuth about this?

 

 

 

 

Here we go - get a load of this:

 

Ok. Had to wait for mod conformation about if I could even talk about it.

 

Last night, presumably at the beginning of night phase, I was to make a choice. I can't go into specifics because of mod communication and whatnot, but suffice to say I'm worried about the result of the choice.

 

Due to the obscure nature of the question, it feels like depending on what I picked, one of us will die. If there's a doc, and they have nothing better to do, I would like protection. I don't trust the outcome of this role, whatever it's doing.

 

If it's result is a kill, I would like to thwart it. It does not feel like a town ability.

 

that's never scum

 

it's also not role-fishing

 

unless the scum team has a watcher or something

 

rolefishing is enticing people to publicly out their roles, which is not the case

 

Cuth, in light of Eldrick flipping scum, what do you think of this now?

 

 

 

I see where liz/clov wanted to ask Cuth about his opinion, but they never followed up with any questions - as has happened all game.

 

Lots and lots of questions, but not a lot of push of the answers...

 

Is anybody else ready to call Eldricks move a botched attempt at role-fishing? The fact that Eldrick launched it, botched it and then tried to wave it away makes me think it was coached as well, which narrows the suspect pool. 

You know how you don't appreciate what BFG is doing (or what MrsClov and I are doing)? If you're town you might just have to accept that we go about things different ways.

 

I'll also point out that I pulled up that post from Eldrick and asked people to keep it in mind and no one has commented on it yet (that I have said). I will follow up with why I'm concerned about it when I finish catching up.

 

If you're town, maybe you'll be able to take into consideration after this game that just because people don't do things your way, it doesn't mean they're not doing anything or that the way they're doing things isn't effective.

 

But I've noticed you've adjusted your tone today which I appreciate and it makes it more likely that I'll bother responding to your posts. I'm not interested in getting tied up in any more distracting mudfights this game.

 

 

I think just about everybody will agree with me when I say this (and if they don't they will say so): that dricky was LYING to get out of a lynch, ldo.  I did not find anything about "other" night actions in the sign up instructions or in the OP.  SO there's nothing to discuss.

 

 

 

Now that I've ISO'D her, which I didn't before I suss'd her I think she is more townieish now.    which drops you and hallia down a little bit....hallia farther down than you because she hasn't been participating as much.

Why is she townyish?

 

Would guess Hallia town for early Eldrick interaction, but not a strong read and not sure if she's been coasting off that since

 

 

1. She was like massively scum hunting, asking questions, the whole 9 yards.  then she disappeared.....that's what I don't like...but RL

 

2. EXACTLY, could bus to distance no hardly any interaction

[Lizabeth]

 

 

 

 

Cuth can you explain where Eldricks 'delayed' results came from? I remember him claiming he'd been offered a choice, but don't recall any time delay thing?

he said something along the lines of "i had to make a choice and i'm worried it might result in me dying target me please doctor"

 

 

@ BFG - Why ask Cuth about this?

 

 

 

 

Here we go - get a load of this:

 

Ok. Had to wait for mod conformation about if I could even talk about it.

 

Last night, presumably at the beginning of night phase, I was to make a choice. I can't go into specifics because of mod communication and whatnot, but suffice to say I'm worried about the result of the choice.

 

Due to the obscure nature of the question, it feels like depending on what I picked, one of us will die. If there's a doc, and they have nothing better to do, I would like protection. I don't trust the outcome of this role, whatever it's doing.

 

If it's result is a kill, I would like to thwart it. It does not feel like a town ability.

 

that's never scum

 

it's also not role-fishing

 

unless the scum team has a watcher or something

 

rolefishing is enticing people to publicly out their roles, which is not the case

 

Cuth, in light of Eldrick flipping scum, what do you think of this now?

 

 

 

I see where liz/clov wanted to ask Cuth about his opinion, but they never followed up with any questions - as has happened all game.

 

Lots and lots of questions, but not a lot of push of the answers...

 

Is anybody else ready to call Eldricks move a botched attempt at role-fishing? The fact that Eldrick launched it, botched it and then tried to wave it away makes me think it was coached as well, which narrows the suspect pool. 

You know how you don't appreciate what BFG is doing (or what MrsClov and I are doing)? If you're town you might just have to accept that we go about things different ways.

 

I'll also point out that I pulled up that post from Eldrick and asked people to keep it in mind and no one has commented on it yet (that I have said). I will follow up with why I'm concerned about it when I finish catching up.

 

If you're town, maybe you'll be able to take into consideration after this game that just because people don't do things your way, it doesn't mean they're not doing anything or that the way they're doing things isn't effective.

 

But I've noticed you've adjusted your tone today which I appreciate and it makes it more likely that I'll bother responding to your posts. I'm not interested in getting tied up in any more distracting mudfights this game.

 

 

I think just about everybody will agree with me when I say this (and if they don't they will say so): that dricky was LYING to get out of a lynch, ldo.  I did not find anything about "other" night actions in the sign up instructions or in the OP.  SO there's nothing to discuss.

 

 

 

Now that I've ISO'D her, which I didn't before I suss'd her I think she is more townieish now.    which drops you and hallia down a little bit....hallia farther down than you because she hasn't been participating as much.

Why is she townyish?

 

Would guess Hallia town for early Eldrick interaction, but not a strong read and not sure if she's been coasting off that since

 

 

1. She was like massively scum hunting, asking questions, the whole 9 yards.  then she disappeared.....that's what I don't like...but RL

 

2. EXACTLY, could bus to distance no hardly any interaction

 

But why would Eldrick assume he would be the lynch d2? Before night had broken?

 

You might be right  because what I've been trying to wrap my head around is how would Eldrick have known about an investigation before night actions had been resolved...

 

But I dont' understand why he would draw attention to himself with a wild claim unless he was fishing for who visited him.

 

And the reason I was concerned about it was because if scum knew that Eldrick had been peeked then it would influence the way they interacted with him during the day.

[Lizabeth]

And for the record, if Darthe is not town this game then I have no idea how to read Darthe...and I'd like to think that I do.

 

(try to restrain yourself from making a snarky comment here Darthe )

[Wildfire Sedai]

I think he was trying to role fish but didn't realize that most of the players here are veterans and wouldn't fall for something like that.

[BFG]

Thoughts on Eldricks claim are largely incoherent at this point will share if anyone wants to roll eyes at me

[BFG]

And thanks WiFi, think o disagree on Hallia/Cass but still only 2/3s through Day 1, thoughts incoming

[Wildfire Sedai]

or with you...

[Wildfire Sedai]

disagree that they are very slightly townie???

[BFG]

??? (posts 539-939)

 

Darthe (2): Cass (30), NB (584 U622), Eldrick (692)

 

Liz (3): Dice (65), Darthe (220), DPR (558)

 

Eldrick: DPR (91 U558)

 

NotBob (1): Cuth(659)

 

Eldrick: NB (622 U802)

 

WiFi (1): NB (802)

 

Eldrick (2): Hallia (817), Seph (939)

 

 

 

 

#541 Eldrick still leaving Liz/Mrs Clov open

 

#558 DPR votes LizClov #309 - also points to 509 from MrsClov as lacking any hard lines, not going to argue, but I don't think a lack of hard lines 500 posts in is surprising, although thinking otherwise ~ties in with DPRs style of play

 

#559 still not seeing any suspicion from Darthe on Eldrick

 

#574 Crusher has the hydra solid scum

 

#579 Cuth first post about Eldrick/Seph being town

 

#582 NB calls Eldrick scummy

 

#584 NB votes Darthe

 

#588 NB 'scum in the pile of those pushing you' well this was true lol, but also dumb when half the thread pushes someone there's statistically bound to be scum in the pile

 

#590 Crusher has Eldrick scum for flipflopping

 

#592 Crusher reads list is focusing on the 'right' people in as much as who I think he's familiar with. Brings up NB meta but no read yet (not odd given NB posted about 3 times prior)

 

#595 Hallia was going to ask Seph about Eldrick read,

 

#596 Darthe more or less instantly on NB looks good

 

#599 NB also doesn't like 309

 

#612 Crusher has Eldrick as top 3

 

#622 NB votes Eldrick, scum lean on Cut is the train he's decided to join

 

#624 Seph on Eldrick again, coasting compared to last game

 

#627 Hallia poking Liz/Mrs Clov - on the defensive

 

#640 Hallia has Eldrick pinging, has backed off sus of the hydra a little, adds Darthe/Sooh as town, expands on Eldrick read

 

#649 Mrs Clov reads Hallia as town for the Eldrick follow up/explanation, especially with Eldricks flip, when Hallia bussed me in SA there was no/little(?) independent reasoning, she went along with the flow and was reading me town when the thread was. As active/loud players started reading Edlrick as town I think she'd have gone along with that if mafia with him. Not a massively confident read though

 

#657/#659 Cuth starts/votes on NB - very very little attention there previously ++

 

#678 Tinker (fail)votes Liz/MrsClov

 

#688 Eldrick prods Darthe for pushing Liz/Mrs Clov so hard (votes 692)

 

#694 Eldrick not feeling great about NB 'feels different... null for now'

 

#706 Eldrick responds to Hallia, townie read

 

#723 Liz reads Darthe/DPR/NB/Crusher

 

This is the second time Darthe has self metals and I'd disagree. Don't care Darthe recently has been town, caring Darthe is mixed. Selfstating that he's beyond his wolf range is null.

 

Thread around here is just painful to read /sigh

 

#761 Darthe hasn't noticed 80% of what Eldrick has said yet has responded to him a fair bit

 

#765 Cuth trying to build the lynch on NB, also think the insistence on Liz providing the link to the game where she said something similar to 309 is a good look

 

#778 'can't wait till postgame' is very subtle if Darthe is m with Eldrick, townish?

 

#802 NB moves to WiFi

(quotes the caught up but going to bed post)

 

#817 Hallia votes Eldrick

 

Need to figure out how to separate reading DPR from his playatyle

 

#819 NB responds to say WiFi having no thoughts after reading 40 pages is odd, didn't talk about Tinker who hasn't offered much yet

 

#827 Eldrick talks about Cass's opening vote still being there

 

#864 Hallia pulling up Eldrick on not responding to her, looks good

 

#869 Cuth states that he voted Liz because of the teammates post, but his vote was before, not sure it's important

 

Cass has rendered and asking more questions, but isn't giving (many) opinions or reads afaict starting to bug me; has Dice as townish?

 

#904 MrsClov talking about Liz wanting to look at NB

 

#934 Crusher has top 3 LizClov/Eldrick/NB

 

#935 Cass pitting NB aside, why?

 

#939 Seph votes Eldrick

 

#953 Crusher votes LizClov

 

#964 Cass wavering between scum/mislynch on both Eldrick/MrsClov - mostly glad to see it

 

 

 

Kronos

 

Dice

Seph

Cuth

 

Hallia?

DPR?

 

Lol, list starting to look similar to the one from VCs alone Hallia/Eldrick doesn't read as m/m, DPR is harder to read on re-entry, stylistic differences

 

Cuth continuing to look good, Seph pushing Eldrick also reads well

 

Hallia's pushes on Eldrick look pretty genuine for her, if she's scum her game has changed since last time I saw it. I know she disappears and I'll probably drop back on the read, but at the moment I feel good.

 

Cass is starting to do a lot of questioning without seeming to draw many answers from it, I know town! Cass can be indecisive, but given that she's been turboing(?) would have expected that to have changed the way she responds to points that are nested is slightly townie, but I really need to see where her heads at with actual reads

 

Still no read on the hydra, I understand where their reads are coming from, and their frustration but it's difficult to get a read on them when on the defensive, Liz sounded better to me early game, but that would be expected. I don't think either are out of scum range yet (said with little to no understanding of what constitutes their scum range lol)

[Hallia]

 

 

 

 

Cuth can you explain where Eldricks 'delayed' results came from? I remember him claiming he'd been offered a choice, but don't recall any time delay thing?

he said something along the lines of "i had to make a choice and i'm worried it might result in me dying target me please doctor"

 

 

@ BFG - Why ask Cuth about this?

 

 

 

 

Here we go - get a load of this:

 

Ok. Had to wait for mod conformation about if I could even talk about it.

 

Last night, presumably at the beginning of night phase, I was to make a choice. I can't go into specifics because of mod communication and whatnot, but suffice to say I'm worried about the result of the choice.

 

Due to the obscure nature of the question, it feels like depending on what I picked, one of us will die. If there's a doc, and they have nothing better to do, I would like protection. I don't trust the outcome of this role, whatever it's doing.

 

If it's result is a kill, I would like to thwart it. It does not feel like a town ability.

 

that's never scum

 

it's also not role-fishing

 

unless the scum team has a watcher or something

 

rolefishing is enticing people to publicly out their roles, which is not the case

 

Cuth, in light of Eldrick flipping scum, what do you think of this now?

 

 

 

I see where liz/clov wanted to ask Cuth about his opinion, but they never followed up with any questions - as has happened all game.

 

Lots and lots of questions, but not a lot of push of the answers...

 

Is anybody else ready to call Eldricks move a botched attempt at role-fishing? The fact that Eldrick launched it, botched it and then tried to wave it away makes me think it was coached as well, which narrows the suspect pool. 

You know how you don't appreciate what BFG is doing (or what MrsClov and I are doing)? If you're town you might just have to accept that we go about things different ways.

 

I'll also point out that I pulled up that post from Eldrick and asked people to keep it in mind and no one has commented on it yet (that I have said). I will follow up with why I'm concerned about it when I finish catching up.

 

If you're town, maybe you'll be able to take into consideration after this game that just because people don't do things your way, it doesn't mean they're not doing anything or that the way they're doing things isn't effective.

 

But I've noticed you've adjusted your tone today which I appreciate and it makes it more likely that I'll bother responding to your posts. I'm not interested in getting tied up in any more distracting mudfights this game.

 

 

I think just about everybody will agree with me when I say this (and if they don't they will say so): that dricky was LYING to get out of a lynch, ldo.  I did not find anything about "other" night actions in the sign up instructions or in the OP.  SO there's nothing to discuss.

 

 

 

Now that I've ISO'D her, which I didn't before I suss'd her I think she is more townieish now.    which drops you and hallia down a little bit....hallia farther down than you because she hasn't been participating as much.

Why is she townyish?

 

Would guess Hallia town for early Eldrick interaction, but not a strong read and not sure if she's been coasting off that since

 

 

1. She was like massively scum hunting, asking questions, the whole 9 yards.  then she disappeared.....that's what I don't like...but RL

 

2. EXACTLY, could bus to distance no hardly any interaction

 

Last week was rough for me, and then I had a boatload of homework over the weekend - but I'm here now.

[Cuth]

i mean

 

cass has been asking a ton of questions and having low-to-medium followup, spending most of her time itt reading past posts

 

i'm just not sure how to feel about this

 

because i think i've seen similar situations when she's been town

 

but at the same time her play is really easy for her to do as mafia and i've seen similar as well

 

so 

 

kinda <otter gif> about that read right now

[Cuth]

there's pretty much nothing to go off of on hallia

 

so it's really hard to say and i don't think she'd be the most productive lynch, but would narrow down PoE 

 

is worth investigating at night, as well as other similar people, discretion from PRs advised ofc

[Cuth]

lizclov have dropped a lot in activity, which is killing a bunch of the rest of the thread as well

[Lizabeth]

Thoughts on Eldricks claim are largely incoherent at this point will share if anyone wants to roll eyes at me

I'd like to hear it. And I promise not to roll my eyes <3

[Lizabeth]

lizclov have dropped a lot in activity, which is killing a bunch of the rest of the thread as well

 

We were told that we talk too much

 

And I'll save my other editorial comment until after the game :P

[Darthe]

 

 

 

I'm also not overly fond of being asked questions, answering them, and then having people accuse me of pushing points. That's scum play.

Sure people asked you questions but I'm still surprised at the firmness and insistence of your responses.

Its good. He isn't pandering and he isn't playing a game to win or lose on a couple percent differences.

 

 

And here we have town Darthe making border-logical steps expecting everyone to follow in his thought process. I see what you're saying but that is a terrible way of phrasing it. I like this side of you.

 

Ya, that's how I do. 

[Darthe]

 

[V] no lynch [/v] gl wolves.

Why? Dice says he has a red check, so why would we go no lynch?

 

I'll be honest, I haven't much been reading his posts since they're so big.  What did he claim?

[Darthe]

And for the record, if Darthe is not town this game then I have no idea how to read Darthe...and I'd like to think that I do.

 

(try to restrain yourself from making a snarky comment here Darthe )

redacted per town request

[Darthe]

 

lizclov have dropped a lot in activity, which is killing a bunch of the rest of the thread as well

 

We were told that we talk too much

 

And I'll save my other editorial comment until after the game :P

 

Do I have to withhold comment here too?

[MrsClov]

Hey all, I just wanted to post real quick to let everyone know Liz is probably going to be driving the Hydra for a while, if not the rest of the game. I'm reading and giving her my thoughts when I can so she can convey them, but right now I'm insanely behind on work and finals because of some health issues (nothing major just my immune system hates me.)