@TigraineYeah sorry actually I missed you post completely. It must have been when I was also posting and I didn't scroll back up far enough to see your vote. Definitely I get your point, not sure if it is worth an elimination

Ah that slip. Sorry I was glazing over more talk about the Condemner. I thought the rules were that the mod would never confirm anything about PMs. So there is nothing sus about Turin claiming this unless his info was inaccurate. Or do you mean his PM means he is likely the Condemner? But if he was he would not need to pm Darthe... Though I suppose... Don't think this is very condemning (see what I did there?).

I feel everyone is perhaps missing an important point about the carnal goings on in dreams. The slight ambiguouty as to quite what is happening, who is in charge, how much influence does Lanfear have, how much Rand views it as a dream, how much is it really just like being in a physical place, means that we can all interpret what is happening as your headcanon is most comfortable with. One could say this is even excellent writing to give viewers this moral wriggle space. Though people that use this ambiguouty to imagine the most uncomfortable interpretation to them possible have me scratching my head. Why would you do that?

Sorry what was Turin's slip? Did I miss something?

That hurts 😭 I said your take that he was scummy while saving the cop claimee was weird. And I stand by that. And your claim it was how he did it that was important, strong disagree. And hindsight backs me up. And I'm whining? There is no need so brutally honest. You could tone it down a bit. And i'm not casing you I just finally got around to answer your claim I was misrepping you. I wasn't, I was paraphrasing and I absolutely stand by that paraphrasing as accurate. I admit you were/are high on my reads but that is massively influenced by your interactions with DPR that I was 100% sure was mafia, and then he claimed... So... *shrugs*

We're in harmony so I think we should be fine with pressing on.

Also can I draw attention to DPR's style of posting about the Condemner? He just kept quoting it and saying here it is. And then at one point he said it was the word random that bothered him and then at another point that it was that it was a NK. He was deliberately obtuse and vague to make people make their own take and then muddy the waters hugely by everyone talking at Cross purposes and each person reading it is not clear on what he was saying. That cannot be anything other than deliberate. Why would the hider do that? I don't have a clue.

Right, gone back to look in the horse's mouth. Still think this stinks. Hindsight of Rand being the Doc does not make it any better. You are totally overplaying the "obvious" nature of the hints. You are focusing on details to accuse the person that saved the cop claimee of being scummy ignoring that scummy would have strung them up, and definitely we know now that there was no collusion - one of the many situations suggested by DPR. I stand wholly by my summary of this being a totally weird take on the EoD. Your claim that I never read your posts makes no sense. I did not remember wrong.

My views based on DPR are that he misquoted Marsh and got him eliminated. Not the same as misunderstanding him. He accused me of having too much info despite me serving him with quotes proving this was not the case. He managed to aggravate and accuse of being scummy both Dice and Rand in their argument. He has clouded the water at every point, but also kept posting with absolutely certainty things that have happened. Then change his mind or deny it (like him absolutely sure Dice is false claiming, but then claiming that Heavy and Rand were the people claiming that Dice was mafia). He has been chaos incarnate, and has not read well what people have been posting, admitting for example he was not reading what Rand was posting in the middle of their argument, but then this ignorance of what they have said causes more confusion. See how long it took him to admit that he had made a mistake about the Condemner. He should have been there as soon as a posted a reply if he had somehow missed what had been discussed the day before, and we can see from Tigs that he has still left some people confused about what happened. And also why was he "pushing" (ie lying about happened) to such an emo player? Don't you think that is a bit calculated to trigger a meltdown? Why would the hider want one of those? I cannot see anyway he is not mafia. It just does not make any sense unless he is. But he isn't CCd. So I don't have a clue, I literally have no answer. But if he isn't a wolf why did he not immediately accept your receipts of the TMI thing? Why didn't he get it straight away? Why did he in the first place get pinged when I only repeated what Darthe had said the day before? How does being the hider answer any of those things? I don't have any answers but it makes more sense that he is mafia than hider. My vote can obviously still be moved, but I don't have any where better to put it.

Well thank the Light Zander doesn't post WoTs, this is so much more pleasant.

Not sure of the context here, but if this was referring to something like a scar, once the body had healed it, it has already healed, you just have a scar, whereas perhaps a greater with Talent with healing would result in a lesser scar. As Healing has a cost, it could be that the cost/benefit ratio to his health would not be favourable, and again if it was internal bleeding or something perhaps she did not want to risk imperfect healing where scarring could be fatal or severely debilitating, as mentioned above. Or of course it could be that that the raise of the metabolism is equally exhausting regardless of how well it heals, so perhaps Perrin was so close to death that attempting to Heal him could risk killing him without properly healing him. Of course this is only speculation and hardly deductive. It could also of course simply depend on how much narrativium is in the wound. Jordan's magic system is very far from a hard system that you can game with its parameters, imho at least.

@Ithillian Turambar I think before the whole TMI thing kicked off you were asking me something. I'll check back later and have a look, just posting this as a reminder.

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I don't need one but certainly not opposed to one either.

My point was, that if people aren't even going to listen to me about factual matters, what is the point? I was making clear that I was 100% behind what I was arguing. Self voting is explicitly allowed in this game. It is not like I was committing suicide instead of eliminating a wolf. If I say "the sky is blue" and everyone disagrees, how do I fight that? Best I can do in that situation is take one for the team and prove the sky is blue, but I'd rather people would just look up themselves.

But I quoted all this to you. Or was I in the Rand category of only posting "I hate DPR" so you never read any of my replies? This is thing I don't get, I backed up my response with the quote in the "Stone Cold says so" post that you quoted. How is it possible you missed what was directly quoted to you in response to a question? UNVOTE VOTE DPR Until you can explain back goes the vote again for exactly the same reasons it has been there since D1.

Dude, I know I'm town, though don't I? So it is a big minus for his townie status to me.

I don't follow? Yes my WiM is broken. I pointed out the Marsh thing and the "I had TMI" repeatedly as being incorrect, and no one cared. Only DPR pushing it made it an issue. So what am I meant to do? And as I say all my reads are garbage, the game a write-off as long as DPR is unCC'd. What am I meant to fight? The accusations against me are nonsensical but anything I say is "emo". I have no read on whose town or mafia, so I can only be defensive against pushes. I'm doing my best to contribute but I'm being attacked from all sides and it doesn't feel like any of my counters are getting through, not even when it is "look, this didn't happen" when it didn't.

Ought? I mean from your eagerness to jump on a townie train even though the reason was demonstrably false. Has to be held against you.

So we have to ask if this is plausibly a mistake (weirdly similar to the Marsh incident) or if DPR was just betting again that no one would care about my emo response. This sucks.

So do see where my frustration is coming from? I told him this at the time, I've told him since and I've told him now. I suppose a plus is Dice seems to have rather outed himself as mafia, lol. Well, possibly.

And I would just like to point out I quoted all this in my original post to DPR. All the info was available to him when he made this ridiculous claim, and yet he still persisted and doubled down when I pointed it out.

I am not making an ate. I'm totally serious. DPR is not telling the truth, or has his timeline messed up or is on LSD, I dunno. But I can 100% tell you this is complete nonsense but despite me pointing this out the debate continues. What am I meant to do? This is a factual issue. That I have the right of. How can this discussion be going on so long?

That is absolutely not true. The whole thing was already discussed in the fluffing quotes I gave you at the time. Plus read what it says - I said the Condemner randomly chooses someone for their night action as they don't know who is which character. I said nothing about how Darthe chose the person as target. But one would assume Rand.org no? But this is just nonsense. Either you cannot read or you are lying. So let's just get this over with. Put your money where your mouth is. If you've caught me out, hammer me and gloat. I'll even help. VOTE HEAVY Or let this drop. This did not happen like you are claiming and I'm not putting up with this BS any more. You aren't listening to me, you are misrepping what happened in the thread, you are quoting me and saying it says something different than it does. What am I meant to do? The facts are there for everyone to see and you are just spewing lies for the Light alone knows what reason. Everyone can see you aren't telling the truth.