@Turin Turambar There already is a competing train on Tig. Why are you starting a new one? Isn't that a little unhelpful at this point?

Like concentrating on players that misrep other unto death? My case is hardly solely based tone, it is based on how seamlessly your tone dovetails with your actions. As I say, I'm as convinced as I think I'll ever be. Which doesn't mean all it takes is one post to make me rethink everything - but that uncertainty just throws even more into focus your certainty that you know which players are making sense, which are being Wolfy, that you know exactly what went down at night, etc. It is all part of the feeling I'm getting from you.

It is my keyboard predicting the next word. Does yours not do that?

Personally I would say at this point Ithi should be the second train. Rand comes over as an overstimulated townie to me. An easy target for a miselimination. But as I'm just getting more and more convinced VOTE DPR My phone always eager to offer suggestions, lol. It must have been reading along, hehe.

I'm not sure who it was, but someone once told me I should not let others dictate to me how to play. DPR's tone and actions are mafia through and through. Maybe I'm wrong, true. But I got to trust myself or what is the point of playing, to let you have two votes?

Sorry missed a pronoun twice there that might have made that tricky to understand.

Sweet jebus, batman. If you get away with this hats off to you. You are literally quoting where I quoted Darthe explaining. And quoting Darthe where he said he had already explained (which I had quoted). What a wolfy liar. While quoting the posts that prove you are lying but hoping your force of personality covers that up, just like you did with Marsh. I commend you on the size of your cojones, señor. If people fall for this, just lol. Yet another smoking gun in DPR's hand. Will anyone notice this time?

DPR claimed he said something he didn't. And while I got the same impression first time I read Marsh's post, when you read it carefully it was clear what it said, and it was not what DPR was claiming it said even while quoting it and discussing it with Marsh. Marsh did not make a slip, DPR just felt he could get away with pretending he did and he seems to be right. And I think I have called attention to role in this several times actually. And I'm currently trying to unravel what it is that have going on with DPR, so not quite sure why you feel you got away with it.

Ow, that misrep hurts, Ithi. You asked what was my opinion of DPR. I answered. The reasons for my opinion are: He is full of anti-town rhetoric. You guys suck so bad. I've never seen so much dumbass. You know who else had that? Wolf!Lenlo. Exactly the same tone. Exactly. Can taste it at the back of my throat. Especially D1, he was dismissive of everyone, not just wolf reads. One word disparaging replies, Omg, lol,etc. Jokey memes in reply to people trying to solve. He misrepped Marsh and pushed for his elimination despite being called up on his "mistake". All the vitriol with Verb and Rand and Ed - does not feel even close to town for me. But yup, he is just a wolfy wolf. I got nothing more than that.

Marsh said, in an effort to be nice [to me as a new player], I made Ithi and Turin think I was defending Heavy. He did not say he was pretending. He did not say he set a trap. That was everyone else. He said he was being nice which was misunderstood. But by taking the second clause out of context, people thought he had set a trap. Me too. But when you actually read it closely, that isn't what he said, there wasn't a slip, it was just clumsy. Yet DPR quoted what he said, brushed off his explanation, brushed off my interjection (which contained my vote so I doubt he did not see it), and claimed it said something it clearly did not, no matter how easy it was to misread. From his reasoning, Marsh pretty much had to be Town, in my eyes, but DPR eliminated him anyway, with some help.

I think he is the definition of a wolf. His actions are as clear as definite mafia as I think I'll ever get. Have been from D1. What is bugging me is I cannot tie his actions into the bigger picture. I only voted for DPR D1, so far I doubt I'll vote for someone else. But not having an inkling of that bigger picture leaves me with doubts.

Totally agree,lol

Ithi and DPR were one and two on Marsh. I'm no Wagonomics expert but when Shad solved the Citrus Bandits game from reading the D1 VC, two wolves were one and two on the train of the miselimination. Ithi is giving DPR town cred here with as far as I can see zero reasoning. A softly softly approach to maybe the whole cop claim thing is tricky but I'm not WIFOMing. So essentially, a carefully crafted post that says nothing but gives DPR (and Nyn) town cred, I guess to not go over the top. Could someone, I mean anyone, please act like they were town? Even if you were only pretending it would make such a change. I h8 this game. Ithi, can I ask you why you think DPR is town positive despite misrepping Marsh and jumping on his "slip" that was not a slip, it was just a bit clumsy? Should players be allowed to get away with misrepping what a town player says and then eliminating them on the basis of that misrep? Curious to hear your thoughts.

I'd say 2, we are all about balance. Would it be cheating to peek with a spell? Feels a bit wolfy to me, lol.

Also don't like the tig-dice-DPR dynamic. At EoD, Dice and DPR were trolling Rand something awful, then next day DPR pops up with Dice is definitely mafia. Tig also drops everything (in - game) to state how incredibly wolfy Rand is, yet now is arguing about WIFOM, bpv, PRs and absolutely nothing of content to make it seem like her and DPR are definitely not singing from the same hymnsheet. If only Rand didn't give such a bad vibe off with his obsession with Dice. But the thread stinks. I would be hugely surprised if the wolves are slanking it this time. Definitely feels like they are active, and after whatever happened last night, probably aren't that happy either.

This worries me. This seems like a huge misrep, but if it is why has no one else commented? Yes, from a Dice life expectancy pov, it is delaying the inevitable, but from a mafia team pov, it keeps a PR on the game for potentially at least two nights. It fishes for the cop - take for instance if I was the cop experiencing my first ever false claim with two minutes to make a decision, or indeed a whole day with no one to talk to about it? It kills a townie, it invalidates any town peeks the real cop gets so long as the GF is out there... It doesn't buy me much seems like such an understatement, not even counting all this WIFOM. It worries me as I'm getting town vibes off Dice, which in itself is slightly worrying as town Dice underpressure is not this polite in my experience. Hate it. I feel Dice is town, but I don't think he is acting it. FML.

I'm still chewing over a lot. I really feel I'm missing something in turin/Verb rand/dice rand/DPR key+dice ithi+dice nyn/tig ed/DPR... Don't see a pattern forming. The only player I felt good about was Marsh and he was trying to kill me and you guys killed him anyway. Will sleep in it and post in the morning. Would be great if Lenlo and tig and Ed had popped in by then, but if not I'll see what I can do. At the moment DPR is my top wolf read. Because of Marsh. Because of his deflections. Because of his anti-town rhetoric. Though he did call my reasoning amazing so there is that. Top town read... Verb, maybe? By virtue of you all being more suspicious than the line up in the usual suspects. Maybe Nyn, but cannot help feel she is playing behind her questions that she never seems to do much with the answers to. Ithi at a push but I don't like her vibe and I don't like how she ignored 99% of D1 to lynch a townie. But in all honesty I've not liked much about this game at all so far. Y'all too sus or too clever for me.

I get a bad feeling off this defense of Dice without, well, anything. Surely this whole post says exactly nothing on whether Dice is or is not fake claiming? I don't have a clue either but I can state it a bit more succinctly than that. So don't like how this day is shaping up. It seems each hour I am less certain of anything. Why can my top town read not act townie? So unfair.

I'm not sure if showing implied physical intimacy is a worse way of having a relationship in story than Min telling people they are going to fall in love. So better be doing that then, love of my life I've never met before.

Bah, might make sense if you follow the quote to see quotes in it. Or you could have a look at Darthe's activity like I did, that would work too.

@DPR that quote was for your perusal.

Because Stone Cold says so. Or Darthe, I forget which.

The condemner randomly picks someone as a night action, no need to lynch.

Dude, this is the one post of mine you don't respond to with a sarcky meme? Wow, I suddenly feel so included 😄 This whole thing is sketching me out big time. I'm missing something, I know I am. Everytime it seems you guys are splitting into opposing camps it stops. Cause of course the wolves are never going to openly be a group. The only things I have concrete are DPR lied about Marsh's "slip", Ithi feels unhelpful, and I wish Dice hadn't claimed. And to be fair I'm not certain on two of those.

Though I suppose they would to stop him getting a red peek. Boo.