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Wow talk about missing the point. Anyway this board is as dead as the show and now just as pointless.
I am no fan of the show, your comments which have been solely attempting to get a rise from show supporters with shallow attacks months after the announcement are pathetic.
In no way did my response miss the point of the post quoted.
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There is also a difference between the 3rd oath and the collar. We have seen how the Aes Sedai defines things. It varied when an Aes Sedai felt threatened. Holding a knife to her throat would make her feel in danger but could she blast away at innocent people becuase of it or is she forced to try and kill the person who is actually putting her life in danger? I think a lot comes down to how an Aes Sedai views and interprets things.
Egwene couldn't pick up the pitcher because it was viewed as a weapon to be used against the Suldam, I would think any insane channeler would be quickly killed by the Seanchan. They don't needlessly toss away Damane. So, I don't think they are common enough to waste a 100 on experiments. If I remember correctly they were in shock how many women there were that could channel in Randland. Someone once speculated the Seanchan chaining women at such early ages if it was actually breeding out the ability to channel in Seanchan.
I think the thought that they were breeding out the ability is in relation to channelers not having children which would be a problem in both lands. Although possibly less in Seachan as I imagine Sul'Damane would have relationships.
The reason why they found so many in Randland was that there was no continent-wide testing like in Seachan so many channelers were just living in the population meaning they found channelers from 13to14 up rather than just at the defined testing age.
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My guess is that one of the top execs actually sat down and read the books and then said "Enough is enough this blasphemy must be stopped !!!"
Thinking that a board member sat down and decided purely on the basis of quality that a show would be axed is just plain stupid.
The boards and multinationals could not care less as long as the product is making them money.
They will destroy and end lives if it is financially advantageous to them so thinking that a TV shows quality would be a factor is naive to the point of having a learning difficulty.
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Really enjoyed Sandman. Some exceptional acting across the series.
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Seems to be as simple as opportunity for him and ta’veren for them. It’s also a fulfillment of multiple prophecies as well as continuance of his lineage for later possible stories. It definitely was an interesting dynamic in the series.
Also, polygamy is fairly normal in most ancient cultures, especially with royalty, so it’s not that far fetched, though foreign to our modern minds
Boiling it down to as simple as opportunity for him denigrates his true feeling for the women in question. If it is simply opportunity he was propositioned by many powerful and attractive women from Selene, Lanfear, Coalvere, Berelain, Selande, Sevanna and many others.
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regarding what AI is already capable of
this "trailer" was made by a single person in one week. I am not an expert, but I don't see any quality difference with stuff made with real actors for large budgets.
In 20 years from now, perhaps one of the people posting here will be able to make his own adaptation.
which we will all be allowed to shot down as not close enough to the books, too close to the books, too dark, too light, or whatever.
The visuals are pretty impressive.
Really wish they had hired that guy for the show to just put some bloody extras in.
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It’s stated that GC is always significantly older than Birgitte. When she is ripped out, this is not a normal life as she appears as an adult with an understanding of who she is and remembers some of her past lives. She dies and will then be able to be born normally, although presumably not for years at GC is only a baby at the end of the series.
I am fairly sure she is being reborn at the conclusion of the Last Battle her final discussion with Elayne says as much I think.
After the battle she says farewell to Elayne, feeling that her rebirth to flesh is imminent and looking forward to finding Gaidal again
From the wiki
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Just started book 7 and part way through the prologue! Current thoughts:
- The story would be much shorter and there would be less pain and strife if the core five simply trusted eachother and shared their secrets - truly can’t understand why they don’t but I guess it’s a side affect of the times and culture
#braindump
Rand and Perrin in particular have a large dose of distaste for their abilities which leads to them being very guarded. Rand has major trust issues and intensely resents being controlled which is not that unfair as everyone is constantly trying to do so. the girls growing ties to the organisations that are leading this effort also do not help.
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Disagree.
It may be advantageous to join one of the existing whole show threads if you wish to discuss.
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I just think if it was true that RJ would've left it in some notes, Time runs different, but you can't be living in the dream world and walking about in the real world at the same time.
In the wiki it said that there were some fan theories that Birgitte being ripped out had led to Cain being spun out but it did not elaborate on what they were. I seem to remember that Birgitte said to Nyn shortly before her removal that she had not seen Cain for some time which is strange as they had been meeting regularly in what was a small amount of time.
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It would be impossible for Cain to be Olver. Regardless of time running different in the dream world, Cain's soul can't be in the dream world as his body is walking about in the real world for years. Just like Elayne's kids will be born too late to be Cain. Even in the Companion there is no mention of Olver/Cain being the same.
I don't think it is impossible when there is already a difference in time within the dream and outside things that bend time like balefire and time distortion due to the bore exist.
My main thought that he could be Cain is the constant reminders of the fact he is unattractive and that he is getting an incredible amount of training from the members of the Band.
Severely doubt that even if it was true it will ever be confirmed, could be possible thread that was dropped at some point.
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I would have started the show with Tam and Rand making their way to town.
Just leave out the prologue and it's all there in the books in terms of unfolding the story.
The issue with that for me is that if you look at how the book unfolded there is little explanation on the taint and the state of Saidan without the prologue. Brief mentions from Fain and a little around Camelyn with Logain do not adequately cover it IMO.
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Highly dubious assertion. Your account was started after the show was cancelled, and I have seen every post on this board since that time and nothing even close to that took place. Maybe you were banned on another account and that's what you're referencing, but from what I've seen for the past four years the mods here do a great and very fair job.
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this is a really bad thing to say.
this forum doesn't ban people on opinions, and there are posters on both sides of the argument. every discussion I've seen has been civil and respectful. nobody is banned for expressing opinions respectfully.
what kind of people are chased off by civil discussion?
I guess those that would like a discussion to be something like
Yes, I can see how such people would be put off by a civil discussion.
And frankly, such people should reexhamine their life and try to find some purpose - if they need their safe space to hate something as harmless as a tv show without contradictory, there's something deeply wrong with them.
people tend to congregate with those of similar opinions, and to an extent it's unavoidable and positive. But when people can't stand having someone challenge - respectfully and with arguments, no less! - their opinion on a tv show, it goes too far. it means those people can't think and can't form reasoned opinions.
Even in the best case, some of those people are simply there to vent some rage at the world in general. some people go to the gym and punch a mattress to unwind after work, some people go on the internet and rage at random stuff.
even in that best case, i'd argue those people's opinion do not count, as they are merely venting - just like the guy in the gym punching a punching ball is doing it because it makes him feel good, not because he really wants to punch someone.
Hopefully.
I am going to ask why you have placed those statements that appear to be totally made up in quotes as if they actually exist on this forum.
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Yeah Mailman, I know you love the show but you really gotta stop doing this.
You got me I am the king of making excuses for the adaption I am famous for it on here. LOL
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Lol ok bub. You do you. It was a joke. But like all good humor premised in a kernel of truth. The “X is much better at talking to girls” is a running gag throughout the early books. I think I counted it at least 6 or 7 times in my recent reread of EOTW.As for the rest of your point, again, this is how books are adapted to screen. You replace inner narrative with dialogue. It isn’t that hard when you have an ensemble cast on a journey. And WOT - at least the early books - does not have an inordinate amount of internal dialogue. (The internal dialogue gets much worse when all the Aes Sedai skirt smoothing / politicking really picks up in the later books and, guess what, that should have been massively trimmed in the show). Pretending this was hard or unusual is just dumb. You’re making excuses for a bad adaptation.
I did not say they did it well or that it was impossible i took affront to you saying that the internal dialogue in the EOTW was largely useless and almost entirely consisted of a single thing which was blatantly untrue.
There are very few people on this board who are more critical than me of the way the "adaption" was handled.
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Obviously I was exaggerating for comedic effect. But there really isn’t any internal dialogue that’s all that important in EOTW. If so, name it.I don't really think you did it for comedic effect and if so it was a total failure. It is still an absolutely insane overexaggeration.
Rand and Perrin IMO were the 2 characters that benefited most from internal dialogue in EOTW. Rand with his father issues and Perrin with the wolves and violence. Would it be impossible to do that work in another way absolutely not. Establishing both these narratives is absolutely core to their characters. Could it be done with just a few lines I highly doubt it as this would leave it feeling incredibly shallow. The almost complete removal of Tam from Rands storyline is a terrible disservice to the original story.
Does RJ repeatedly have the boys thinking their friends are more accomplished at talking to women yes, however it is usually a single line only and then moved past.
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The internal dialogue in EOTW is pretty limited and generally useless. It’s about 90% one boy wishing he could talk to girls as well as Matt/Rand/Perrin.The internal dialogue expands in later books when we start getting more female POVs… and it’s still pretty useless.
Rubbish. 90% is an insanely epic over exaggeration. I would wager that just the internal dialogue for Perrin during the raven's pursuit completely outweighs the entire books wishing they could talk to the girls segments.
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I absolutely thought the same thing. The increasing griminess would be another way to show the Dark One's touch on the world, to make it feel like the world is falling apart and the situation is becoming more and more hopeless.
Not sure about that Emonds Field was basically a dank hovel in the show absolutely nothing like the image I had from the books.
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I am not sure that citing insanity for characters acting irrationally is a great plot device. I mean sure, but why not have characters act coherently at this crucial point in the narrative? It seems a strange choice. Having three duels will always seem a weird point - a single duel was a rather arbitrary way to end Demandred given the context - three would seem to need a really important function in the narrative to make sense, and for me, there wasn't.
I could be wrong but at least for Lan it clearly said in my memory that Lan was easily the better swordsman, but he was exhausted, so not performing as well.
And there was so much wrong with the battle. The Shadow had had great effect dividing their forces and driving deep into friendly territory, yet when on the brink of victory, agreed to meet the forces of the Light in one pitched battle, allowing the Light simultaneously fight at Merrilor and Shayol Ghul without people desrting to protect their own homelands. Pike formations sliced apart with balefire is not some kind of minor inconvenience, Mat's army would have collapsed at that point, not bravely fought on, without a formation pikes are utterly useless. Sending the Seanchan away did nothing. Demandred did not alter his plan and it had no effect on the battle except limiting how Mat could use them as a tactical reserve. The aping of Austerlitz where they lose the heights and then retake them was not explained at all - why was this a good idea? How could they suddenly have the troops to fight on another front? Using the villagers from Hyam(?) to defend the dam was a great little idea, explaining why Mat would not properly reinforce them, but having them retake it was nonsensical. How could they have overpowered Dreadlords? How would the troops defending the dam even have known they were the same people back from dead? Why during the Last Battle would they be so shocked that they would not have fought back but just let themselves be killed without raising a finger? It's like the Ateam where they make a custard gun and all the bad guys stand about saying "oh I'm covered in custard" until they get arrested and completely forget they are still holding M60s and the Ateam have, well, a custard gun. None of the battle made sense to me at all. Not the tactical moves, not how they protected the troops from the One Power, not Mat's great plan... Add in the duels, Bela's death, the disgusting Olver being made a hero, the heroes explaining they might be immortal and all powerful but the bad guys might tie them up and hide them in a cupboard somewhere (thanks Brandon! some magic is better left soft), Egwene's death and creation (and naming! while dying and not telling anyone?) of the Flame of Tar Valon, the weirdness with Logain who rescued refugees rather than confronting Taim... For me it was just a disaster from start to finish.
The only thing I can say in its defense is compared to how bad endings of long series can be, it wasn't that bad, all things considered. Oh and Thom and Moiraine, lol. And Alvara helping Rand live again or whatever Min's viewing said by laying out clean underwear for him. Actually when I think about, let's have Demandred have three duels in the middle of the battle for no reason doesn't seem that bad in comparison.
Some parts where not perfect the villagers taking out the Dam defenders never felt right unless they had a massive numerical advantage (fairly sure that they had added some soldiers to just the basic villagers). It is possible that Demandred thought he had sufficient numbers there. No need to keep the channeler Mat left behind in the dark about the plan though.
Lan definitely said that Demandred was the better swordsman it was caveated by saying it might have been different if he was not as tired as he was but both fighters definitely stated that Demandred was the superior at that moment.
Olver was not made into a hero. I think he might have been a young Gaidal Cain but it is not confirmed to the best of my knowledge. Felt that was a long build up the constant talking about how ugly he was and how Birgette was attracted to ugly men.
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I don't see that for me this really clarifies anything. Demandred had Mat beaten, all of Mat's battle skills were useless, why have them if he was just going to dumb luck his way through it all? His stratagems seemed completely ineffective and the whole set-up of making Demandred bet heavily on a losing hand never seemed to actually come to fruition. Three duels just seemed to be pointless as well, putting them down to ta'veren seems rather unsatisfactory. Why not just have Demandred fall from his horse? What was the actual point of making the duels such a central point of the battle?
Though maybe you should not listen to me, there is very little I liked about the ending to the series. The battle with the Demandred and the Sharans high on the list of those things that I did not like. I don't think any of it made any sense to me at all.
I don't think Mats skills were useless, the battle was a close run thing and could have fallen either way no matter Demandreds eventual fate excluding his channeling but that was negated as he did not want to tire himself and expose himself to a counterattack from Rand who he believed was present.
The lights forces were the underdog and Mat had to keep the battle going till he hoped he got a chance to tilt it in his favour.
The duels while foolish were a symptom of Demandreds arrogance and pathological need to best Rand/LTT to prove he was the better man. Also in his defence he established in each of the duels pretty early that he was the better swordsman. I would have had Lan die from his wound if it was up to me.
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My favorite comedic scenes involve Mat. Him constantly trying to get away from the pull of the pattern, him clumsily presenting himself before the Wise Ones to ask permission to enter that special space of Ter'angerals and doing a poor imitation of Rand's request.
But one of my favorites is when Zen Rand goes before the Seanchan court accompanied by Mat who is skittish and afraid shit is going to go down and Rand starts singing the Song to make plant life start growing around them and everyone is freaking out. But Mat is sitting there tapping his foot along to the beat and is like, "I know this song.. is that [insert random song title]" and Rand is whispers back, "you're not helping." 🤣
Mats letter to Elayne was great as well.
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Can the Third Oath by Twisted by Threats?
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I am aware that the whole thing is conjecture, but I am not sure that the 2 different ways the power emerges are ever linked directly to bloodlines in that way.