2 hours ago, Wolfbrother31 said:

Sounds fair. And then it's Harldins turn

Alright. What Faction are you @Harldin? 

The character is Bukama, Lan’s best friend and the guy that carried him out of Malkier. 

27 minutes ago, Wolfbrother31 said:

 

That is true. And if I could remember any of their names - or if I had re-read New Spring when I started the series a second time I think I would get it. But ...

I'm not gonna come up with it. Lan is about the only Malkieri I can name. 

You guys have guessed good enough for me to tell you if you want. I think if I do, the point should go to Harldin because they guessed the closest so far. 

1 hour ago, Harldin said:

I guessed correctly who it was but couldn’t remember his name and went looking for it and thats when i saw the picture. 
Nothing to apologise for, personally i really didn’t think it could be anyone else, there are only a handful of named Malkier 

I’ll try not to use wiki pics next time then. 
 

Very true. 

3 hours ago, SinisterDeath said:

We know that the WT Oath Rod, only works on women that can channel.

Where did you find that? I haven't found anything that says that. 

3 hours ago, SinisterDeath said:

There's an implication here, that when the WT first started using the Oath Rods, they did so to "punish" themselves for causing the breaking?

I believe they did that so people would trust them more. 

3 hours ago, SinisterDeath said:

When the Oath Rods were created, perhaps they were "programmed" to work that way.
It might "speed" up their time (expiring faster).
Or Perhaps the "cost" of fueling the oaths is it "consumes" your life force.

I think it is the cost, because the AoL people were big on not killing folks, so they probably didn't design it that way. 

3 hours ago, SinisterDeath said:

Interesting, according to the WoT companion they did use the One Power. (That's news to me!)

This drove me insane for weeks. I still have no idea how it works, or what would happen if you tried it on a human.

3 hours ago, SinisterDeath said:

My thought was that they used the "Song", and threaded the weaves of "nature". That their very presence causes nature around them to grow, also allowed their body to constantly rejuvenate. A Nym being neither male nor female, that means that if they do in fact channel the OP, they channel the literal One Power that drives creation.

This is a very good thought. Something that bothers me, however is that the books are very clear on it being the One Power, (saidin and saidar) and not the True Source which the One Power stems from. 

3 hours ago, SinisterDeath said:

I don't know that I'd really say it's "outside" the pattern, as it's all part of the great "cosmic" engine that drives "everything", but that's neither here nor there.

I think this is one you can't really prove either way, because there just isn't enough evidence to do so. 

3 hours ago, SinisterDeath said:

My personal theory is that the "Material World", is one of many "layers" of reality, with TAR acting as a type of bridge between those realities closest to your own. I also believe several cultures in WoT refer to dying as "waking from the dream".

I sort of agree with this. I think that T'a'r does connect all the worlds, but I don't think there are "planes" or "layers" of reality, like in the Elric saga.

3 hours ago, SinisterDeath said:

Further, Given the nature of the "Unreliable Narrator" throughout the Wheel of Time Series, I think that WoT's "Hard Magic System" is actually a "lie", and it's actually far "softer" then what we were led to believe.

E.g. the way that we saw "magic" work in the first novels were written that way on purpose. Not because RJ hadn't fully developed his magic system yet, but to sow seeds of what society knows as truth may not be the truth. That how "weaving" works is less of a "science", and it only becomes that way after people have defined it as such. 

Again, I sort of agree with this. I think there is a lot more you can do with the OP than is shown, but I think that the rules are hard-set, and you can't change them. 

4 hours ago, SinisterDeath said:

I often wonder if channeling the "one power" is actually extension of TAR while awake, where simply willing things to exist, causes them to exist.  (It also ironic it's called the ONE POWER, Perhaps it's gender divide is more of a social construct then we know?)

Related to this, when the Dark One was tearing the fabric of reality apart, It may have actually been loosening the "veil" between "Reality" and TAR. Tar where being able to "create" anything through force of "will" is more powerful than "the one power". Bubbles of Evil, may literally have been TAR Nightmares spilling into reality.

Now, in my humble opinion, this makes no sense at all. You can't just will stuff to happen with the Power, you have to make it happen. (It is ironic that its called the One Power, and I think the social construct of gender does play a role in it, but again, I just don't think that you can break the rules of the One Power just because you believe you can.) 

I think bubbles of evil are more just an effect of the DO's evil than anything else. If they were nightmares from T'a'r, then it doesn't make sense how Perrin was immune to one in ToM, since surely he went into multiple nightmares of similar types while training in T'a'r.

4 hours ago, SinisterDeath said:

Stasis boxes may also be derived from dream shards. ? 

Could you provide reasoning for that please? I don't understand how they could.

35 minutes ago, Harldin said:

I know who it is as i just saw this picture on the Wiki page with his name against it, but that would be cheating so i have to disqualify myself. 

Sorry, Harldin. Thanks for being honest though. 

27 minutes ago, Wolfbrother31 said:

Yes.

Alright. I'll start with a pretty easy one. He appears in New Spring.

If you want another, let me know and I will comply. 

On 4/21/2021 at 12:28 AM, SableSage said:

 

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Is Taim ultimately with Rand or against Rand? Because right now I have a suspicion that Lord of Chaos was either him or that guy who sent Pedron Niall his messages. I don't think he's a Forsaken. The timing and M.O. is a bit off if he's one of the Forsaken. But he's shady. Please just tell me, in which book will I eventually know whether he's with the Light or with Ba'alzamon? 

 

 

Sorry, Sable. I didn't even see this until now. 

Book question:

Rand question:

3 hours ago, Wolfbrother31 said:

Shoot. I would need to go back and read a lot more closely to get any of the Malkieri besides Lan! Lol

Want a hint then?

Okay. I have no idea how to order this, so I'm just going to go with a random order. @SinisterDeath and @Elgee asked me to tag them in this, so here they are. *bows to each and inhales deeply* Ready?

This theory is mostly about how time works within WoT. In a series called the Wheel of Time, there is a decent amount of well, time-related stuff. 

I am going to provide a quick list of all the time-related stuff in WoT, so that you understand what I am talking about.

The Wheel: The Wheel turns time for Aesrhoid (fan-name for the WoT world) and all the Worlds that Might Be. It is turned by saidin and saidar.

Tel'aran'rhoid: Time flows differently in T'a'r, sometimes slower, sometimes faster.

The Worlds that Might Be (Portal Stones worlds): Time flows differently here too, sometimes slower, sometimes faster, but seemingly constant to each world.

The One Power: People who channel live longer. According to the Wheel of Time Companion, the reason for the youthful look, is because of the healthful effects of the OP.

The Oath Rod: The Oath Rod caps Aes Sedai lifespans at approximately three hundred, regardless of strength. For an unknown reason, the older one is when bound by the Rod, the more the Rod restricts.

The True Power: See theory

Seal on the Dark One's prison: The Forsaken were suspended in time, with only the ones close to the surface of the seal, Aginor and Balthamel, aging.

Stasis boxes: Time is stopped within these boxes, until they are opened.

Keepings: Keepings preserve things they are placed upon, though whether time is stopped or slowed within them, is unknown. Unlike Stasis boxes, if a living thing is placed under a Keeping, they will die instantly, but remain perfectly preserved.

Vacuoles: Vacuoles are bubbles on the Pattern, outside it, in which time flows differently.

Nym: Nym appear to live for a long time, going off of the Green Man, who lived in the Blight for over three thousand years.

Now that we've gone over the terms, let's get into the theory

     As the being that created the Wheel of Time, it makes sense that the Creator controls time. And if they control time, it makes sense that they would manipulate it, likely slowing it down to create worlds in less time, or speeding it up to watch human events. It stands to reason that anything outside of the Pattern, or other worlds would be susceptible to these time changes. This would include the DO, the OP, the TP, T'a'r, and other things. This idea is supported by T'a'r because it is outside the Pattern, and time flows differently there, as well as other things I will get into shortly.

     While we are talking about things being susceptible to time changes, we have to talk about the One Power. The OP is outside of the Pattern, and by my theory, that means that time should effect it. And I think it does. We are never given an in-world reason as to why people who channel age slower, some even living up to 800. However, if the Creator slows time, which it makes sense they would to create more worlds, then the OP would be effected. And if it is, then channelers are basically putting themselves in a living stasis box. The time effect would transfer to their bodies, therefore making them live longer. This fits in the whole strength to life idea, that we know to be true, as if you channel more time-slowed Power into your body, you will age even slower than someone who can only channel half or a quarter of what you can. The reason Healed people don't live for a very long time is likely because they are only getting a temporary flow of the OP through them, so only a second or so of slowed time. It should be noted that women at the same strength level as men tend to live approximately ten percent longer, but this difference probably due to the harsh nature of saidin, compared to the softer nature of saidar. 

     Now let's talk about the Nym. Nym are constructs of the OP, and appear to be able to channel it as well. The Green Man lived for over three thousand years, while most of the other Nym died. He probably had to channel constantly in order to keep the Blight from closing in on the Eye, so this is a likely reason for why he lived so long.

     T'a'r time would move differently because it is outside the Pattern, and therefore changed by the Creator.

     Portal Stones are a little weird, because they are within the Pattern, but also have different times. The reason I think this happens is because of the different speeds the Wheel was going at when it created them. The Wheel is turned by saidin and saidar, which are effected by the Creator changing time. If the OP is changed, then the speed at which the Wheel turns would be as well, so if the Wheel was turning very slowly when it created one of the WtMB then that world's time would remain slow. Same if the Wheel was turning fast.

    The DO is probably also susceptible to the time changes of the Creator. The DO is sealed outside of the Pattern, and not within any world, so all of the evidence previously provided supports this. There is more support though. The True Power comes from the DO and seems to have the same time effects of the OP. This is seen in Ishamael. After the War of Power, Ishamael channeled exclusively the TP. We don't know exactly when he started doing this, it could have been anywhere from the first time he was freed to the last. However, Moghedien said that as Moridin, he would have had to channel the TP for a while in order to achieve only a little saa, and he was only Moridin for a year or a little more, which indicates that in order to get the flame eyes effect, Ishamel would have had to either channel the TP almost constantly on his third spin out, or channel it a little over a long time. I would favor Ishamael using only the TP from about the time of the Trolloc Wars onward. This would allow him time to achieve the flame eyes effect, while not constantly channeling the TP. 

     If the TP didn't have the same time effects as the OP, then Ishamael should have either died, or looked much older than he did in the Eye of the World. The reason his body decomposed so quickly when he died in the Dragon Reborn is because of how much TP he had channeled/was channeling when he died. That was an enormous amount of time effect to be holding.

     As a side note on the taint, likely the reason for the wasting sickness is because the channeler is having to deal with two time-effects at once, (the DO and saidin).

     Now we have to talk about stasis boxes. Stasis boxes suspend time for whatever is in them. They are likely related to Keepings, but whether Keepings stop time or slow it is unknown. It is very possible that stasis boxes use standing flows to prevent time from moving, though how they stop time is a matter of some question. It is almost certainly similar to the DO's prison, however, things don't age within stasis boxes, and Aginor and Balthamel did age, though they were kept alive. It seems that the Forsaken were put in a different kind of stasis box, one where they were put to sleep until freed. I do not know why Ishamael was freed from the prison, other than that the Pattern needed him. 

     It is possible that stasis boxes were created by sucking the time properties out of the TS, sort of like Rand did with the taint, or done by taking the time properties out of vacuoles. The vacuoles idea is more plausible, because Moghedien said that great experiments had been done in vacuoles, which could be referencing stasis boxes. Doing this could be difficult, so it seems a little odd that people would choose to save artwork, rather than more important things, when they could have just put them in a Keeping. It is possible that upon contact with a human, or the death of the channeler, Keepings unravel, which would make them less useful. There is a good chance the DO's prison operates off of similar rules, but instead of the seal crumbling when the Hundred Companions died, it is when the cuendillar seals break.

Now for the Oath Rod. This is the trickiest one of all to work out, because we know so little about it. It is unknown if the OR halves non-channeler lifespans like it does AS ones. It is possible that the Oath Rod uses Compulsion to make you adhere to the Oaths, and that whether the Oaths hold or not is dependent on the Spirit channeled into it. Aes Sedai channel the Spirit themselves, so when Siuan and Leane were stilled, the Spirit connection broke, and they were freed of the Oaths, as well as the ageless look. In the AoL, if a n-c was bound with the OR, then an AS would channel the Spirit for them. Since the n-c would be likely to die first, this attribute of the Oath Rod would not have been noticed. Even if the AS died first, the n-c basically escaped a death sentence, so it's not like they would go complaining about it. There is also a decent chance that the OR works like a Bloodknife, drawing off of your life force in order to make you adhere to the Oaths. This would account for the lifespan halving, as well as it being considered a death sentence. This could be the cause of the agelessness, as the OP would try to make you look younger, and the OR would make you look older. This theory is the least evidence supported one, because we just don't know enough about the Oath 

Rod to make incredibly accurate theories. Edit: (SinisterDeath pointed out that Brandon has said that he is 85% sure that the Oath Rod doesn't work like a Bloodknife, so the Spirit theory is more likely. Thanks, SD.)

I mentioned in the title that there might be a way to control time with a ter'angreal. That seems to be possible. If you reverse the stasis box weave and tweak it a bit, you should be able to make time move much faster on a certain thing. Same for a tweaked Keeping that would make time move much slower. Then from there, you should be able to make a middle ground weave to make time go at a medium speed. If you make these standing flows in their own ter'angreal, then you should have ter'angreal that can change the speed or time, but not reverse it.

Regretting reading all of this? Probably. Hopefully this makes sense, and I didn't just fry your brain trying to understand my logic. If you disagree, or think something should be different, let me know! I am always happy to hear other people's thoughts on my theories, and it really helps me to improve them. Thanks!

3 hours ago, Elgee said:

Tag me too, please!

Wow! The best Mod I’ve seen, and the Amyrlin Seat? Jeez, I’m scared now. 
 

I finished it last night, so it should be up as soon as I find time. 

12 hours ago, Harldin said:

Davram Bashere?

Nope. 
 

2 hours ago, Wolfbrother31 said:

Is it a Malkieri? 

Yes!

1 hour ago, SinisterDeath said:

Let's hear that theory?

This is probably gonna need a whole other thread. Give me a bit to finish it, and I’ll tag you in the thread. 

1 hour ago, SinisterDeath said:

I don't know if there's any reason "why" they reduce a channelers life span by "half", but during the Age of Legends they were used on "criminals", to "Bind" & prevent them from using the One Power in the wrong way. This was seen as preferable to "severing".

Yeah, I don’t know why either, which is a problem, because it could either prove for sure, or disprove a big theory I have about time. I was just curious if anybody knew anything more about it. 

43 minutes ago, SableSage said:

Hmmm... Would it be Hurin? I really have no idea.

Nope. Not Hurin. If this gets too hard, I’ll just tell you guys and then someone else can go, probably the person who was the closest. 

Does anyone know why the Oath Rod caps lifespans at 300? Not sure why, and none of the books I can find say why. If anyone remembers any interviews with RJ or BS, that would be great. Thanks.

4 hours ago, Wolfbrother31 said:

@Asha'man Shar'aman I don't think I'm gonna be able to get this ... maybe @Lavandula or @SableSage or @Harldin knows?! Who else is around/might be able to guess this?

There’s not a limit on guesses, is there? Feel free to guess, if you want. 

17 hours ago, Wolfbrother31 said:

@Asha'man Shar'aman I think it's probably a borderlander but I don't know ... I'll let someone else guess!

It is a Borderlander. I’ll let you guess the rest.

53 minutes ago, Wolfbrother31 said:

@Asha'man Shar'aman is it Masema?

No. Try again. 

Here we go. 
 

5 hours ago, Wolfbrother31 said:

Right. Ok, here's the next one!

Semirhage. 

1 hour ago, Wolfbrother31 said:

this might be the first one we get wrong - cause I'm not 100% sure- but I think that's Demandred 

Who should be portrayed by Joaquin Phoenix in the show!

Correct. Technically, it’s Bao the Wyld, but I will accept Demandred. 

That's so cool that you know Ariel Burgess, Arie!

59 minutes ago, Arie said:

Ariel Burgess has beautiful Art, and is a great friend of mine. ? 

 

Perrin. 
 

Really? You know Ariel Burgess?

2 hours ago, Wolfbrother31 said:

Yup. We really need to get some of the Dark side playing! @Illian Tear 

We do!

2 minutes ago, Wolfbrother31 said:

Ok, I know I'm right - I really enjoyed Faile's character in the books and know that's her.

Here's the next one.

Graendal.