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5 WoT Characters likely to have Expanded TV Roles


Jason Denzel
  • We examine five minor characters that might get expanded roles in the upcoming Wheel of Time TV show. 


I recently wrote about the 5 Things to Expect from the Wheel of Time TV show, and one of those “things” was expanded roles for minor characters from the books. We’re going to lean into that idea a bit further here and explore which characters I anticipate will seemingly be more important on TV than they were in Robert Jordan’s books.

 

First, the same disclaimer from last time: although I’ve been in touch with some folks at Amazon and from the production, I have no official association with the show. In the early 2010’s I was a consultant to the producers who were seeking to adapt The Eye of the World into a feature film. I helped them and their writers come up with story ideas, and helped pitch those ideas to various other executives. A long time ago I was an independent filmmaker, but today, I write books, among other things. And, of course, I’ve been closely tied to the WoT franchise for 20+ years. So if you’re asking, “Why are your ideas anything more than random speculation?”, well, I like to think I’ve seen enough to have a good instinct for this stuff by now. (Also, I haven’t been wrong yet with my 5 Things to Expect!) 

 

But who knows, maybe I’ll be off this time. ?

 

Adaptations, by their very nature, require change. And most of the time, it begins with the characters. The jury is completely out on how Rafe Judkins and his team will adapt the 7 characters who’ve been cast so far: Rand, Egwene, Perrin, Nynaeve, Mat, Lan, and Moiraine. All of those characters are most certainly going to change, and because their roles are so big (especially the Two Rivers 5), it’s practically impossible to predict what the team will do with them. 

 

So let’s focus on 5 secondary characters from the series that should have a bigger presence on TV than they did in the early books. I’m going on the assumption that season 1 will focus almost exclusively on the story events from The Eye of the World, with maybe some flashbacks or glimpses of later books in order to establish key ideas.  (For my reasoning on this, see my 5 Things to Expect… article).

 

(Book spoilers below!)

Logain

This is an easy one. We know Logain will have an expanded role because Rafe said so during a Twitter Q&A in September 2018:

The question is, how will his role be expanded? My hunch is that Rafe and his team showcase Logain as a terrifying example of what happens when you’re a man who channels saidin. The first book hints at this, but I fully expect the show to try and horrify us (and Rand) so that we really understand what a terrible thing it is to channel. I would not be surprised if we see him in chains, see him being beat up by the Red Ajah (Elaida!), and probably gentled on screen. Violently.  We don’t see Logain’s gentling happen in the books. We just meet him later after the deed is done. But come on, wouldn’t it be cool to see on screen?

 

“But he gets gentled in Tar Valon!” you say. “And the characters don’t go to Tar Valon!” 

 

Yes, that’s all true… in the books. But in this TV adaptation, there’s no reason Logain can’t be gentled in Caemlyn, and no reason Rand and his friends can’t visit Tar Valon instead. 

 

Episode 4 of the first season is titled, “The Dragon Reborn.” Good titles usually contain multiple meanings. If I were a betting man, I think we’ll see a lot of Logain in that episode.

Elaida

Elaida becomes one of the primary antagonists in the book series, and she has a very convenient cameo role in the first book. Not only that, but she steals the show and anchors one of the best scenes in the entire series is chapter 40 where she secretly whispers her Foretelling to Rand. 

 

She’s too good of a character to only use for a single scene, especially if the producers want to convince a talented actress to portray her for many seasons going forward. I fully expect Elaida to not only be in every season, but for her to be groomed as one of the show’s primary recurring villains. 

 

She also makes a great antagonist to Moiraine and to ….

Siuan

Count on the Amyrlin Seat herself, Siuan Sanche, to be present in this TV series from the get-go. It’s easy to establish her connection with Moiraine at any point.  Perhaps Moiraine sends her friend (and boss) a pigeon carrying a message to the White Tower. Or maybe Siuan is part of the caravan that gentles Logain, so we see her in that context. 

 

Whatever or however it works out, Siuan is Moiraine’s lifeline to the White Tower, and that’s an interesting story to explore in a TV adaptation. 

 

Having Siuan more present in the show would give us ample opportunity to see her square off with Elaida. It would establish their rivalry early on, setting up a much more powerful smackdown when Elaida stages her coup in a later season.

 

Finally, let’s not overlook the fact that episode 6 of the first season is rumored to be titled “The Flame of Tar Valon.”

Elyas

Of all the characters on my short list, this is the one I’m most shaky on. I could see the writers going in either direction with Elyas. On one hand, they could just cut him entirely from the show. There are plenty of other ways for Perrin to find the wolves and establish a connection to them.  Elyas could also maintain his brief cameo role in the books (and really, the series). But in the end, I think he’s just too interesting of a character to not expand for the show. Just as Logain represents a worst-case scenario for Rand, Elyas could be that same thing for Perrin. 

 

It’s a toss-up, but I expect we’ll see Elyas have an enlarged role, at least for the duration of season 1. The best odds are that he  first shows up in episode 3, “A Place of Safety,” which is the name of the chapter where he first appears in the book. I doubt we’ll see him beyond a full first season though. Perhaps he makes a great character to sacrifice in a noble, on-screen death?

 

Yes, I’m aware that he doesn’t die in the first book, but he also disappears for many books. It’s hard to convince an actor to show up, play a role, and vanish for multiple seasons before bringing him back. I feel like this could be a situation where the producers need to either decide if they can use him to his full potential for a single season, or greatly expand him across multiple connectives seasons. 

 

Geofram Bornhald

My favorite surprise character to likely get an expanded role for the TV show is  Bornhald (senior). He’s a Lord Captain of the Children of the Light, aka the Whitecloaks, aka Randland’s equivalent of the alt-right, women (channeler)-hating, witch-hunting, militant bad guys. His son Dain is also not a nice guy, and together, this father-son duo cause a lot of trouble in the first book for the heroes, most notably Perrin, Egwene, Nynaeve, Moiraine, and Lan. 

 

My hunch is that we’ll see more about Geofram’s driving passion to kill darkfriends (or, at least, those he deems to be darkfriends), and an expanded relationship with Dain, who will eventually inherit his father’s mantle.

 

The reason I’m excited to see Bornhald is that he flies under the radar a bit in the book, but he’s also our first real glimpse of the Whitecloaks, which is a fantastic set of villains that the filmmakers can use through the TV series. Like Elaida, Borhald and his son represent flawed humans doing bad stuff for reasons that we (unfortunately) understand and see in our regular life, rather than, say, Ishamael or Padan Fain who are Pure Evil because… uh…reasons. 

 

Some quick honorable mentions for other characters who could see getting expanded roles in the first season of the Wheel of Time:  Loial, Aram, Aginor, Balthamael. 

 

And what about the characters likely to get diminished roles? Well, that’s an article for another day, maybe.

 

What do you think? Am I onto something, or do you have your own theories? Share below or on our social media.

 

Jason Denzel

Jason@dragonmount.com

 

Artwork

Siuan Sanche & Elaida
by Benjamin Roque

 

Logain & Elyas, Bornhald
by Gal Or

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Why would they expand the role of minor characters when there are already more characters than any normal TV show can handle?

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I was hoping that Elyas and Bornhald would be expanded. I agree with the Leader's post, I never thought of Siuan as a minor character.

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Agreed on pretty much all of it. I think if Rafe is really going to expand on Logain(likely since he directly said it) then expanding Elaida would be expected IMO. Having her, and other sisters, involvement in gentling Logain in sight of Rand and the viewers would be powerful and horrifying. I don't think having Siuan there would be a good idea as she was in her full power as Amyrlin at this point and would stop it maybe.

On the other hand, maybe they have some other Red sisters (read: Black, Galina or Katerine) nudging Elaida to do it in Caemlyn in front of thousands of onlookers, would foreshadow Elaida's eventual raising to Amyrlin. 

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I would never consider Min to be a minor character, but her earlier role could very well change significantly. she will most likely just join the group from Baerlon.

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I definitely think you’re on to something! I really hope Elyas & Logain have expanded roles. Can’t wait to see who gets cast!:biggrin:

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Logain: my favorite character in the book. I would love to see him on screen more. Especially from a perspective of 'male-channelers are anathema' but i hope they seed the scene with hints of his nobility and potential redemption that he gets later in the series.

There are Many reasons that Siuan cannot go to Camelyn and way more that Moiraine cannot take the kids to Tar Valon. Those would be wholly inconsistent with the plot. If Siuan goes to Camelyn, the girls would have to be dropped off with her to go back to Tar Valon, and would never discover Rand's nature nor interact with Fain in Saldea. The same effect if they went to Tar Valon directly. Not to mention the ramifications of Rand being in the white tower, why would moiraine risk his safety for anything that could be avoided? But that could be written around i suppose. But the girls definitely would could not (with integrity to the books).

 

And Geofram isn't this big bad guy, he represents our insight into why the children of the light are logical to themselves and Jordan depicts him as a grandfatherly figure. He doesn't have a hatred for women, he merely follow his duty against them, and is often shown as considering multiple aspects of each scenario thoughtfully. He is the perfect balance to the zealous nature of the white cloaks (his son in particular). The best rivals and villains are those whose thought peocess we can understand but not agree with. And i love the idea of Geofram being more in the limelight and having an expanded role. Not as the villain or monster-type representative, but the thoughtful leash-holder of a pack of rabid dogs who just really believes its his duty to oppose the white tower. I would love that version of his character.

 

I agree with the rest though. Good thoughts.

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22 hours ago, MegiddoAssassin said:

Logain: my favorite character in the book. I would love to see him on screen more. Especially from a perspective of 'male-channelers are anathema' but i hope they seed the scene with hints of his nobility and potential redemption that he gets later in the series.

There are Many reasons that Siuan cannot go to Camelyn and way more that Moiraine cannot take the kids to Tar Valon. Those would be wholly inconsistent with the plot. If Siuan goes to Camelyn, the girls would have to be dropped off with her to go back to Tar Valon, and would never discover Rand's nature nor interact with Fain in Saldea. The same effect if they went to Tar Valon directly. Not to mention the ramifications of Rand being in the white tower, why would moiraine risk his safety for anything that could be avoided? But that could be written around i suppose. But the girls definitely would could not (with integrity to the books).

 

And Geofram isn't this big bad guy, he represents our insight into why the children of the light are logical to themselves and Jordan depicts him as a grandfatherly figure. He doesn't have a hatred for women, he merely follow his duty against them, and is often shown as considering multiple aspects of each scenario thoughtfully. He is the perfect balance to the zealous nature of the white cloaks (his son in particular). The best rivals and villains are those whose thought peocess we can understand but not agree with. And i love the idea of Geofram being more in the limelight and having an expanded role. Not as the villain or monster-type representative, but the thoughtful leash-holder of a pack of rabid dogs who just really believes its his duty to oppose the white tower. I would love that version of his character.

 

I agree with the rest though. Good thoughts.

 Agree that Geofram is not the bad guy this article want to say he is. I believe they may have confused him with the fanatical Jaret Byar he appears with and later sends to his son. 

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3 hours ago, DominoWolfsister said:

 Agree that Geofram is not the bad guy this article want to say he is. I believe they may have confused him with the fanatical Jaret Byar he appears with and later sends to his son. 

 

Personally I think Geofram Bornhald is mentioned as a 'bad guy' in the article because the Whitecloaks on the whole are considered villains (despicable ones at that) by many fans of the books and he is (initially) their leader. So even if he does seem the least fanatic among them and is a grandfatherly kind of figure (though a hard one) as is mentioned above, he is a symbol of what they stand for (a kind of hateful extreme Inquisition against all they consider Darkfriends) and therefore could be depicted as one of the 'bad guys' in the tv-show. We who have read the books know, of course, that there are others among that lot (f.ex. the extremely zealous Jaret Byar) who are far worse.

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On 9/10/2019 at 9:59 AM, solarz said:

Why would they expand the role of minor characters when there are already more characters than any normal TV show can handle?

 

They will likely combine the many smaller characters into expanded roles for the major characters.  You're right that there are about 10 thousand characters but 99.9 percent are throwaways.  The above definitely are not and can carry plot points of the others.

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On 9/12/2019 at 11:01 AM, Elessar said:

 

Personally I think Geofram Bornhald is mentioned as a 'bad guy' in the article because the Whitecloaks on the whole are considered villains (despicable ones at that) by many fans of the books and he is (initially) their leader. So even if he does seem the least fanatic among them and is a grandfatherly kind of figure (though a hard one) as is mentioned above, he is a symbol of what they stand for (a kind of hateful extreme Inquisition against all they consider Darkfriends) and therefore could be depicted as one of the 'bad guys' in the tv-show. We who have read the books know, of course, that there are others among that lot (f.ex. the extremely zealous Jaret Byar) who are far worse.

 

I always wondered how they do the outfits of the Whitecloaks.  I always pictured the KKK and am curious as to how they pull it off.

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There is difference between minor characters of WoT and minor characters of EoW. Expansion of Logain will be done together with Elaida and Siuan. It will not be three different expansions.

I do not know any vile decision of Geofram Bornhald. He follow doubtful commands later.

Why expand Elyas story? He is only Perins guide to world of wolfs. You can write about not cutting, but expand…

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My name hope is that they rewrite the battle with Taim so that Logain plays a part.  It felt anti-climatic to me that Logain and the Asha'man played no role in Taim's downfall after they were literally the only ones fighting against for for at least 3 books.  Everyone else, especially Rand was too busy to think about what was going on at the Black Tower and it ended up creating an army of powerful Dreadlords, and then they just drop the Logain/Taim battle in favor of having Egwene suddenly realize out of nowhere how to reverse balefire, which is another stupid idea.  And it robbed Logain of an epic battle which I know many readers had been looking forward to.

 

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This is bologna,  an adaptation doesn't have to change much. These people think that they need to take "creative licence" to put their personal stamp on the show. 

 

This is not the case and is going to ruin it.  Tlotr, and 6seasons of got were so successful BECAUSE THEY STUCK TO THE BOOKS. If the book wasn't well written,  it wouldn't have done so well. I've read the series easily 25 times and been reading it since I was a teenager and first found a book in the school library.  

 

I am seriously afraid this will turn into a shannara,  7-8 season of got disappointment. I hope its awesome,  but seems like its going to be ruined . 

 

Fingers crossed they stick with the books and dont change much.

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Zman38

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 White cloaks are religious extremists,  but the have white cloaks (hence the name) with armor and gold suns on their cloak and tabard.  No need for hoods or correlating anything to kkk.

 

Padain fain has a large enough roll. Why change the book?! This will only ruin the show.Im pretty sure Robert Jordan got it right with characters the less things are changed the better the series will be. 

 

Logan, elaida and siuan are not minor characters and should not be combined or changed. 

 

Elyas is a minor character, but important to Perins character development.  Why change that? Again,  even risking sounding like a broken record, I feel like I can't stress this enough, why change Robert's work? He did an awesome job! That's why we love the books and want a series.....to see THE BOOKs, not someone else's interpretation of the book , that may or may not ruin it. 

 

Using too much creative liscence is going to ruin this show imho. 

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I Agree to extant to expand some of these character sgive more detail but lets not alter the book to where it unrecognizable most tv series from books that flop are the ones that think hey lets completly change this  which in long run ruins the concept of the book in the first place. so when you say 

Yes, that’s all true… in the books. But in this TV adaptation, there’s no reason Logain can’t be gentled in Caemlyn, and no reason Rand and his friends can’t visit Tar Valon instead. 

thats altering the actual story going into more detailed about a character about what was already mentioned is fine just dont alter the story itself to accomadate your opinion this is robert jordens story and lets honor him by sticking to it.

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I believe that the story of Aram the swordsman is a mistake. It begins with Perrin s behaving completely out of character. Perrin shows such respect for the Way of the Leaf, and he speaks as he does to Aram when Aram sees the barrelful of weapons? No way.

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Pretty good ideas, but given what we know now, Elaida and Elyas won't be in Season 1.  The other three will likely be an amalgam of many minor characters.  I think that Logain will have attributes of Book Taim, Logain, and Asmodean.  Also, I always find it odd that folks find it easy to label White Cloaks as "right-wing," but find it difficult to label the Red Ajah as "left-wing." 

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