DEMONOLOGY - GAME THREAD

Zander? · January 6, 2017

Fwiw I don't disagree with what John said in that post

Scummy =/= antitown and vice versa

Perhaps not, but using either of them to push a lynch for bad reasons is still pushing a lynch for bad reasons. Scummy or Anti-town, either way, he was pushing a Zander lynch because of Zanders activity, which we all know is a constant.

When has Jon pushed for my lynch?!?!?!?

Saying he didnt care if I was the lynch is not the same as saying he WANTS me lynched imo.

Also im pretty sure John has says this about me in most every game we've played...lolololololol

John Snow · January 6, 2017

Oh and @Zander

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/95348-ragnarok-game-thread-game-over-town-wins/

Looks like you weren't in Ragnarok. TL;DR of what I'm talking about:

Thor themed mafia.

I was town.

None of us knew our roles, but we knew alignment&character

At some point Wish/Celeste claimed RB and said there was no way they didn't have a role.

I came in and said that they were scum, Mafia RB, and Loki (who was confirmed scum per mod scenes)

They flipped scum (and godfather, but they thought they were RB, so I say close enough)

Town spent half of the next day thinking I was scum b/c TMI.

TL;DR for the TL;DR I'm good at mechanics.

John Snow · January 6, 2017

-snip-

Also im pretty sure John has says this about me in most every game we've played...lolololololol

Len and I have even talked about it in other games. There's no way this comes from Town!Len

Zander? · January 6, 2017

-snip-

John Snow ------ Misrepping Zander. Lots of fluff posts is not a scum tell for him. Its a Zander tell. He seems very hung up on that one issue and isnt really investigating anywhere else. Hail Mary?

-snip-

Your entire case against me is a misrepresentation. I'm not misrepping Zander, I never said it was a scum tell for him. I'm not hung up on the issue, and I'm not even pushing Zander, I'm pushing David.

I made one comment on why I'm always okay with a Zander lynch. And I voted him during the joke phase. That's it.

Guess what John. That entire post encompasses the first 40 posts of this game. I havnt finished reading the rest. Those reads? Based entirely on the first 40 pages and in those pages you pushed Zander under poor pretenses. I also never said you called it a scum-tell if you wanna argue semantics.

So when you get pissy and call me a wolf because of totally accurate interpretations of the first 40 pages of the game, im gonna fight you about it.

Show me where he pushed me Lenlo please?!?!?!?

Andrej · January 6, 2017

Current Vote Count:

John Snow (6) - AJ, dice, Nolder, honeyBooBoo, Darthe, Hermes

Hermes (1) - John Snow

AJ (1) - Zander

Krak (1) - NB

Shad (1) - Leelou

Lenlo (1) - Tiinker

Leelou (1) - Shad

With 21 players, it takes 11 to lynch.

Deadline: January 7th, Saturday, 6 PM EST.

Lack of a counterwagon is not a good sign early D1 imo.

Imma catch up and see if I want to move my vote or not but Im not a fan of no other real wagon tho.

This thought crossed my mind too but like half the roster isn't voting anyone so probably not as solid of an indicator as it could be.

Zander? · January 6, 2017

Current Vote Count:

John Snow (6) - AJ, dice, Nolder, honeyBooBoo, Darthe, Hermes

Hermes (1) - John Snow

AJ (1) - Zander

Krak (1) - NB

Shad (1) - Leelou

Lenlo (1) - Tiinker

Leelou (1) - Shad

With 21 players, it takes 11 to lynch.

Deadline: January 7th, Saturday, 6 PM EST.

Lack of a counterwagon is not a good sign early D1 imo.

Imma catch up and see if I want to move my vote or not but Im not a fan of no other real wagon tho.

Not a bad point.

Let's force Kaylee to vote for someone.

Unvote

Vote Kaylee

You still didnt tell me why you voted for john snow ffs, why kay Nolder?

For pressure to vote?

Seems kinda weak imo

She posts them as either alignment.

Which is more why I think she's just been saying random crap to look like she's reading the thread.

IM still not sure why shes voting you fwiw.

No one is ever really sure why I do anything.

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Zander? · January 6, 2017

When is deadline?

Sat night like supper time eastern not exactly sure i think like 6 or 7 pm ish

Zander? · January 6, 2017

Unvote vote Lenlo

Were you advised on your QT to to go after Lenlo?

I think he had Lenlo in his PoE tho I dont really recall if he gave reasons for it.

He didnt, atleast not that ive seen

For someone youre voting Id like to think youd have a better idea of his PoE.

Zander? · January 6, 2017

What ever happened to the subtle letting people read between the lines before just claiming something out of left-field?

This comment is off putting after Tress's comment about Leelou,....

*pat pats* It'll be okay. Unless you are scum.

Im Town and Im not convinced yet its gonna be ok.

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Good.

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Zander? · January 6, 2017

Current Vote Count:

John Snow (6) - AJ, dice, Nolder, honeyBooBoo, Darthe, Hermes

Hermes (1) - John Snow

AJ (1) - Zander

Krak (1) - NB

Shad (1) - Leelou

Lenlo (1) - Tiinker

Leelou (1) - Shad

With 21 players, it takes 11 to lynch.

Deadline: January 7th, Saturday, 6 PM EST.

Lack of a counterwagon is not a good sign early D1 imo.

Imma catch up and see if I want to move my vote or not but Im not a fan of no other real wagon tho.

Not a bad point.
Let's force Kaylee to vote for someone.

Unvote

Vote Kaylee

I've explained why I haven't voted yet. I haven't seen anything that stands out enough to vote. Basically it would be for no reason.

I haven't joined the Snow wagon cuz there's no counter or resistance. That gives me pause on the likelihood of him being scum. If you want to vote me for it ok. But will I rush into courting someone for it? No.

You're running out of time though. It seems irresponsible to allow you to go the entire day without voting anyone at all.

There are other people not voting so again I ask, why Kay?!?!?!!

Lenlo · January 6, 2017

-snip-

Guess what John. That entire post encompasses the first 40 posts of this game. I havnt finished reading the rest. Those reads? Based entirely on the first 40 pages and in those pages you pushed Zander under poor pretenses. I also never said you called it a scum-tell if you wanna argue semantics.

So when you get pissy and call me a wolf because of totally accurate interpretations of the first 40 pages of the game, im gonna fight you about it.

Putting me at the bottom of your wolf pile with only that reasoning is calling it a scum tell.

And I spent almost half of the first 40 pages voting David, not Zander. Calling that pushing him and getting hung up about it is a gross exaggeration, at best, and a complete misrepresentation at worst.

The bottom of the "Wolfy" pile, which is "Leaning Wolf". Also, no, its not. Your putting words out there that I never said. I never said you called it a scum-tell so once again, your wrong.

2nd, do you have to vote someone to push them? I dont give a crap who you spent half of the first 40 pages voting, when your posts and attitude were directed towards someone else. It is not an exaggeration, it is a fact that you pushed him and it is also not a misrep because I have a quote showing you did it.

How is pulling your own quote, word for word, a misrep? Your the one that got pissy and blew this up while I was reading the second half of the game. I didnt even drop a vote and you react this strongly.

Pulling my quote is not a misrep. Pulling a quote and saying that's all I did for 40 pages is a misrep. There is only one (arguably two) posts in which I am pushing Zander. That's not the only thing I did, and certainly not the only person I pushed.

I blew this up b/c it feels like you went "Who has the highest train? Is it one of my teammate? Okay, good, I'll scumread them." Which is scummy af. Your 5 sentence read on me is almost entirely false.

I didnt say that was all you did. I never said that. I said thats what I found wolfy and note-worthy. Your putting words in my mouth, again.

And once again, I havnt voted anyone. I was catching up. Are you gonna come at me and say that you never pushed Zander? Because the only problem I had with you was that you pushed him and I left it at that. Your getting incredibly defensive over what is basically an extended FoS after I blatantly said it was just the first 40 pages and I needed to read the rest.

-snip-

Also im pretty sure John has says this about me in most every game we've played...lolololololol

Len and I have even talked about it in other games. There's no way this comes from Town!Len

Im sorry? I forget about the details of a game almost immediately upon it ending unless it was funny or noteworthy. Dont expect me to remember every conversation ive ever had with you.

Lenlo · January 6, 2017

Unvote vote Lenlo

Were you advised on your QT to to go after Lenlo?

I think he had Lenlo in his PoE tho I dont really recall if he gave reasons for it.

He didnt, atleast not that ive seen

For someone youre voting Id like to think youd have a better idea of his PoE.

IM NOT VOTING HIM FFS

Zander? · January 6, 2017

Verbal, she's not calling Leelou scum but rather saying she saw something that makes she think Leelou just needs time to sort out. That's what I got from her last statement anyway.

Understood. But her read was green/null, and she's saying she might have misunderstood something - but if she's right, Leelou just needs more time. I interpret this as:

-I think she's townish

-If I'm wrong, then she might move from there

I infer that to be prob moving down, so I'm curious as to the "misunderstanding". And I think I can help, and I'd like to know what I may have missed, if anything. Maybe I saw it differently, as Tress herself said we don't appear to be approaching the game from the same angle.

As I've posted a few time this game already, different routes can get us to the same destination. I'm just trying to initiate some teamwork, here. ;-)

What is your read on Leelou Verb?

Leelou what is your read on Verb?

He's like posting and stuff. I dunno. I don't have many reads. I have quite a few observations I'm keeping to myself though.

I just it stated you guys did this exact same thing as Scummates that game here on DM recently....

Andrej · January 6, 2017

@Snow - has your read on Dave adjusted at all with the whole Heathen revelation?

Lenlo · January 6, 2017

Zander, pay attention to the thread if your gonna throw shade around. Also, I already quoted where he misrepped you. Post 531 if you wanna go find it on your own but im not quoting it again for your lazy butt.

Zander? · January 6, 2017

Current Vote Count:

John Snow (6) - AJ, dice, Nolder, honeyBooBoo, Darthe, Hermes

Hermes (1) - John Snow

AJ (1) - Zander

Krak (1) - NB

Shad (1) - Leelou

Lenlo (1) - Tiinker

Leelou (1) - Shad

With 21 players, it takes 11 to lynch.

Deadline: January 7th, Saturday, 6 PM EST.

Lack of a counterwagon is not a good sign early D1 imo.

Imma catch up and see if I want to move my vote or not but Im not a fan of no other real wagon tho.

This thought crossed my mind too but like half the roster isn't voting anyone so probably not as solid of an indicator as it could be.

I do kinda agree with what youre saying but theres still enough active players voting thats its still something we need to factor in imo.

Leelou · January 6, 2017

Verbal, she's not calling Leelou scum but rather saying she saw something that makes she think Leelou just needs time to sort out. That's what I got from her last statement anyway.

Understood. But her read was green/null, and she's saying she might have misunderstood something - but if she's right, Leelou just needs more time. I interpret this as:

-I think she's townish

-If I'm wrong, then she might move from there

I infer that to be prob moving down, so I'm curious as to the "misunderstanding". And I think I can help, and I'd like to know what I may have missed, if anything. Maybe I saw it differently, as Tress herself said we don't appear to be approaching the game from the same angle.

As I've posted a few time this game already, different routes can get us to the same destination. I'm just trying to initiate some teamwork, here. ;-)

What is your read on Leelou Verb?

Leelou what is your read on Verb?

He's like posting and stuff. I dunno. I don't have many reads. I have quite a few observations I'm keeping to myself though.

I just it stated you guys did this exact same thing as Scummates that game here on DM recently....

*sigh* No. I'll have a read on him. That'll require me to read all those pages I glazed over and interact with him.

Zander? · January 6, 2017

Unvote vote Lenlo

Were you advised on your QT to to go after Lenlo?

I think he had Lenlo in his PoE tho I dont really recall if he gave reasons for it.

He didnt, atleast not that ive seen

For someone youre voting Id like to think youd have a better idea of his PoE.

IM NOT VOTING HIM FFS

Casing him, sussing him w/e my bad.

Yourr all caps "anger" response reads false to me as well.

John Snow · January 6, 2017

@Snow - has your read on Dave adjusted at all with the whole Heathen revelation?

He's good for now.

Once a heathen gets killed/cop cleared I'll feel a lot better. Right now there's enough subtle hints about people being heathens that I don't think they're scum. They wouldn't risk that much of their team on it.

If we hit LyLo and don't have any heathens flips, I'll be concerned about them being a scum team.

Zander? · January 6, 2017

Zander, pay attention to the thread if your gonna throw shade around. Also, I already quoted where he misrepped you. Post 531 if you wanna go find it on your own but im not quoting it again for your lazy butt.

oh ok

UNVOTE

VOTE LENLOLOLOLOLOLO

Lenlo · January 6, 2017

Unvote vote Lenlo

Were you advised on your QT to to go after Lenlo?

I think he had Lenlo in his PoE tho I dont really recall if he gave reasons for it.

He didnt, atleast not that ive seen

For someone youre voting Id like to think youd have a better idea of his PoE.

IM NOT VOTING HIM FFS

Casing him, sussing him w/e my bad.

Yourr all caps "anger" response reads false to me as well.

Yes, your bad for not reading the thread and having absolutely no idea what is going on. Yes, your bad because apparently im lying about being annoyed when the most active person in the thread who is more than likely going to bury me in posts because thats the only way you know how to hunt doesnt know the actual state of the thread.

Zander, pay attention to the thread if your gonna throw shade around. Also, I already quoted where he misrepped you. Post 531 if you wanna go find it on your own but im not quoting it again for your lazy butt.

oh ok

UNVOTE

VOTE LENLOLOLOLOLOLO

Yeah, cause your to lazy to look back at the Quote I already pulled. Great job champ

Lenlo · January 6, 2017

Like, youd expect me to have a better idea of the PoE, when I gave you a pretty solid answer. As far I know he did not give a reason. So your saying that, answering with all of my knowledge on the subject, I should have had a better idea? Was the only acceptable answer there "Yes he has reasons here are all of them"? If I had said No, he didnt have any reasons, is that somehow a different answer from "No, I dont think so"?

dicetosser1 · January 7, 2017

They need their team to recruit them to join them, and therefore need to somehow signal them in thread (check)

haha, the way I s---post if I ever rand symp I could hard claim it and my scum mates wouldn't believe me.

they may not believe it but i will. and i will lynch you for it.

@ Hermes I would recommend trying to get a better feel for the thread state before claiming anything in the future. You weren't getting lynched today so when you drop the bomb yeah, it sort of situationally confirms that you're telling the truth 90% of the time, but it also greatly reduces a village PR's life expectancy. If I'm a wolf I've got a huge chub right now.

hopefully a doc is paying attention to this.

Zander, pay attention to the thread if your gonna throw shade around. Also, I already quoted where he misrepped you. Post 531 if you wanna go find it on your own but im not quoting it again for your lazy butt.

oh ok

UNVOTE

VOTE LENLOLOLOLOLOLO

think youre wrong here zander. Lenlos go at snow fairly screams town.

Darthe · January 7, 2017

I don't hate a Leelou wagon
,_, at this point isn't it better to lynch Snow rather start a new train on Leelou?
I personally think so. I have my reasons to prefer to wait on Leelou at least until tomorrow. I may have misunderstood something I thought I saw... but if I'm right she probably just needs time to read up and think about things.
As the best "mafia Leelou-reader" this world has ever known, I feel it is not a bad request to ask you to provide what you think you saw. If I missed it, perhaps I can help. I'd like her alignment known ASAP.
I would normally agree, but I have already established that I don't think we are approaching the game the same way, and if that's the case it would mean nothing to you.

Like I said, it doesn't necessarily mean you're not town. But I don't think it's beneficial for town to put all the cards on the table D1. Some people will understand what I am getting at, and I think that's enough for right now.

I kinda love being mysterious and cryptic, lol

<3 you Tress, but I think you might be confusing "mysterious" for "scummy", lol.

You're saying it doesn't mean I'm not town. Ironically, I'm on your WTL list, for #reasons. Ok, I can live with that. But don't assume what you're seeing with Leelou would mean nothing to me. If I'm town, my insight will be valuable. If I'm scum, you've still forced me to make a read on Leelou based on your thought process, and I've proved time and time again that I royally suck at faking Leelou reads.

So it is basically a win-win for you regardless of my alignment (or any of us, actually).

In this post verb is:

Okay with tress read

Not okay with tress read

Okay with being on the totem pole

Not okay with being on the totem pole

Okay with assumptions

Not okay with assumptions

Playing the middle man isn't ever good, and it's here en force

Darthe · January 7, 2017

Verbal, she's not calling Leelou scum but rather saying she saw something that makes she think Leelou just needs time to sort out. That's what I got from her last statement anyway.

Understood. But her read was green/null, and she's saying she might have misunderstood something - but if she's right, Leelou just needs more time. I interpret this as:

-I think she's townish

-If I'm wrong, then she might move from there

I infer that to be prob moving down, so I'm curious as to the "misunderstanding". And I think I can help, and I'd like to know what I may have missed, if anything. Maybe I saw it differently, as Tress herself said we don't appear to be approaching the game from the same angle.

As I've posted a few time this game already, different routes can get us to the same destination. I'm just trying to initiate some teamwork, here. ;-)

You were saying a few pages ago that you had no clue on leelou and wanted more from her before you made a move there

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