Hackers Mafia - Game Thread [Game Over]

[Zander?]

Darthe. Cloudflare=wait

 

Cloudflare saved the Village in SW...maybe it will do the same here?!?!?!?

 

I mean it feels almost the same for me when I was pushing Yates/Sili and no one would listen to me...

 

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[dicetosser1]

 

 

 

 

<3 Dice (I think you're the only player that fears me when scum though )

 

What's your read on me?

 

i like the questions ure asking. sounds like town solvey bfg to me. youre isoing away. tho you arnt coming up with firm thoughts out of them. wish you were here more.  town lean is about as far as i will go atm

 

Dice can you talk about Pral?

 

Has barely been here. i dont really remember a lot of what he has said and i cant get rid of the feeling that i should be voting him but as he didnt say what i thought he did i have no reason for it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

ok this is from CASS but i messed it up

 

 

 

because they are good fairly non committal ways to give someone a town lean. easy to flip on if their town easy to make if their ure scum buddy without being tied to it in bands of steel

 

I was going to respond to Cass' post, but I think Dice nails it here.

 

 

I agree with the start but don't understand how the bold works. @Both of you, how is a 'definitely Town' type read easy to flip on?

 

@Dice, how many times did I use this exact play as scum with Town!you? "Dice is definitely Town!Dice!" You also know that it's a thing.

 

 

I DO know its a thing but you and I are not Shad. Hes trickier then we are. As for how to get away from it??  a post like "i liked when cass was doing this and this  but now shes doing  x  which i dont like and is making me reevaluate

 

flip done

 

 

Dice who you gonna vote for today and why?

 

Its the weekend and your activity level still hasnt really perked up any.

 

Why is this?

 

 

you realise i asked for a hydra for a reason right? Im in 2 games on 2 sites and its the busy end of year at work so im getting slammed and im still a bit crook. thats why i wanted a hydra cause i wasnt sure id be able to be active enuff..

 

im gonna follow my gut. Vote Pral  dont ask me for good reasons for it because i honestly dont have any its just my gut screaming.

 

i MIGHt be able to be here a tiny bit before DL but lunch is over so i dont know for sure. depends on the calls.

 

 

why wont you vote Cass!?!?!?!?!.....

 

 

dont put words in my mouth. i never said i wouldnt vote her. i am currently following my gut

 

 

 

 

 

I see a world where Darthe votes us and scum piles on and it's a repeat of last game.

This may well be a slip folks.

 

 

If Eldrick is Town, this is probably Scum Darthe

 

 

Darthe trending down for me

 

 

actually this screaming has him trending up for me.

[Pralaya]

No I'm sitting the rest of this one through. You're stuck on me being scum and are picking at and twisting everything that would make it seem like I am.

 

I don't think you've ever considered that I'm town and play differently, like so many other people seem to realize.

 

I don't think you're scum because of it, so I'm not voting you because of it. You just clearly don't know how to read me.

I don't see why you are pissed about this. This is mafia, people can gave wrong reads, people tunnel, can gave confirmation bias etc. So what if darthe is reading you scum and doesn't change his opinion? What's the problem with that? It is not like he is making personal attacks.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

I see a world where Darthe votes us and scum piles on and it's a repeat of last game.

This may well be a slip folks.

In what world is that a slip?

 

Last game. You vote dice. Verb and leelou pile on. They win.

 

This game. ***You vote us. Scum pile on.*** They win.

 

I see it happening.

He does not correct it like cass say, he does the opposite. He doubles down and makes it worse.

 

[V] sock [/v]

 

 

 

 

 

I see a world where Darthe votes us and scum piles on and it's a repeat of last game.

This may well be a slip folks.

In what world is that a slip?

 

Last game. You vote dice. Verb and leelou pile on. They win.

 

This game. You vote us. Scum pile on. They win.

 

I see it happening.

 

 

Meh I liked your response post about this that I had recently quoted

 

Then i go back and forth thinking on it.

 

If you had used like one certain word I prolly feel a bit better.

 

Like I THINK I know what youre getting at but I wanted to hear it from you.

[Zander?]

Im never changing my vote til that slot dies. You guys can pick between us at lylo if it has to get that far.

 

typically town make their case and try to push their suspect.

 

but you should have another suspect as we know theres 2 left.

 

if you cant get the one you want you should have and be willing to move to another imo.

[Eldrick4221]

 

No I'm sitting the rest of this one through. You're stuck on me being scum and are picking at and twisting everything that would make it seem like I am.

 

I don't think you've ever considered that I'm town and play differently, like so many other people seem to realize.

 

I don't think you're scum because of it, so I'm not voting you because of it. You just clearly don't know how to read me.

I don't see why you are pissed about this. This is mafia, people can gave wrong reads, people tunnel, can gave confirmation bias etc. So what if darthe is reading you scum and doesn't change his opinion? What's the problem with that? It is not like he is making personal attacks.

Just because it happens doesn't mean it's fun to be on the receiving end of it. It's downright annoying. To spend all game trying to figure it out and have someone not even consider you might be town. To have someone stuck on a scum read of me for so long is infuriating.

[Darthe]

 

Im never changing my vote til that slot dies. You guys can pick between us at lylo if it has to get that far.

typically town make their case and try to push their suspect.

 

but you should have another suspect as we know theres 2 left.

 

if you cant get the one you want you should have and be willing to move to another imo.

Dice and then laya, they flip flop for me, but no way in hell im letting this go anymore. Ive been relativsly ignored for theee days and theres simply no more excuse that ill tolerate.

[Pralaya]

Happens every game. It is part of the game

[Eldrick4221]

 

Im never changing my vote til that slot dies. You guys can pick between us at lylo if it has to get that far.

typically town make their case and try to push their suspect.

 

but you should have another suspect as we know theres 2 left.

 

if you cant get the one you want you should have and be willing to move to another imo.

Ya. Remember when I asked him if I was town who would he suspect?

 

He has no idea. He's so stuck on me being scum that he can't even think about it.

[Darthe]

 

 

No I'm sitting the rest of this one through. You're stuck on me being scum and are picking at and twisting everything that would make it seem like I am.

 

I don't think you've ever considered that I'm town and play differently, like so many other people seem to realize.

 

I don't think you're scum because of it, so I'm not voting you because of it. You just clearly don't know how to read me.

I don't see why you are pissed about this. This is mafia, people can gave wrong reads, people tunnel, can gave confirmation bias etc. So what if darthe is reading you scum and doesn't change his opinion? What's the problem with that? It is not like he is making personal attacks.

Just because it happens doesn't mean it's fun to be on the receiving end of it. It's downright annoying. To spend all game trying to figure it out and have someone not even consider you might be town. To have someone stuck on a scum read of me for so long is infuriating.

>never gives reason to read town

>complains he isnt being charitied a town read

>rage quit

 

Do I have this right?

[Eldrick4221]

Happens every game. It is part of the game

It's why I don't play much.

[Darthe]

 

 

Im never changing my vote til that slot dies. You guys can pick between us at lylo if it has to get that far.

typically town make their case and try to push their suspect.

 

but you should have another suspect as we know theres 2 left.

 

if you cant get the one you want you should have and be willing to move to another imo.

Ya. Remember when I asked him if I was town who would he suspect?

 

He has no idea. He's so stuck on me being scum that he can't even think about it.

Wolfy misrep, "if you flip town" has a totally different affect on my perception than basing stuff on current knowledge

[Zander?]

 

WTL both Cass and pral equally. Think they are the remaining scum team.

 

Cass because shad's consistent town read of her. Because she freaked out when people wouldn't unvote.

 

Pral because of his early scum read on shad. Catching that early doesn't make sense to me.

 

Both because after seeing them c9nmected like this I notice Pral scum reading shad and town reading Cass (classic scum move), and because of the read list I posted that you quoted and colored clumping them into 2 different groups.

 

It all fits together and feels like a game solve.

 

No to this btw.

 

I specifically explained I just needed time to figure stuff out btw. At no point did I try to influence other people's opinions of Shad or Random, 'trying to read Shad Town/lynch the cop', both of you have twisted that event.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm starting to think analysis on Shads D1 is a lot less useful since we still don't know whether he's straight mafia or traitor. That could change some things, as could knowing if he has a role. Maybe we could use our time better with a flip

Precisely my reasoning for suggesting we lynch to see his flip, and then I can just ensure we get a full 24 hours by withholding my night view until the end

Yeah, I like that plan. [v]Shad[/v]

 

 

 

 

PLEASE UNVOTE!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

Ok. I need to rock in the corner with my tinfoil a while. 

 

I essentially don't trust Zander/Random here, and I'm not sure if that's more because I'm crazy or because they're wolfy af. 

 

I'd really appreciate some time to figure out which it is.

 

 

 

 

Ok. I need to rock in the corner with my tinfoil a while.

 

I essentially don't trust Zander/Random here, and I'm not sure if that's more because I'm crazy or because they're wolfy af.

 

I'd really appreciate some time to figure out which it is.

Lol... I'm being wolf after outting Shad as scum and trying to lynch, knowing full well I'm dying N2?

 

You're joking right?

 

 

I wish. Right now my head is lining up a real possibility that you could be scum.

 

I'm 100% Town.

 

Wanna make me less suspicious of you?

 

Remove your vote from Shad. Give me time to figure things out.

 

 

 

Ok. You can all just move along as if nothing happened, and let me adjust, or I can go back and let you into my brain.

 

I can show you step by step, but it's still going to be ridiculous, and I've got nothing, other than I really should go to sleep and #ENFPParanoia and #TINFOIL>Details

 

 

 

 

 

We have an IC and an uncc'd cop.

 

The chance mafia would shoot someone else is ~0%

 

Calder dying means he protected.

 

Unless shad flips town, which means random is scum, and scum knows there isn't a Cop. Likelihood of no additional roles in this situation is high. Could have shot Marsh and calder protected. Could have shot calder directly.

 

Again. Shad flip resolves this.

 

This post is basically my thought process, but I had more holes. Brain just doesn't work on the level of italics. My focus was on bold.

 

If Shad is Town I don't want to lose him.

 

Lunching with hubby, back after.

My thought process there is the less choices mafia picked, the safer the fake claim. They directly controlled how many PRs town has. If they chose nothing and made it only 2 PRs, they know only one is left.

 

If they know there is only 1 pr left after the IC, the chance there is a Cop in the game is 1 in 5. Random fake claiming makes a degree of sense there.

 

Notbob doubting his claim makes sense.

 

Shad flip reveals what's going on. Am not voting outside of there. I get you not losing shad if he's town. Don't want to lose any townies. But thinking we should vote elsewhere doesn't make sense either.

 

Unless you are suggesting that we lynch random...

 

 

Explain the Notbob?

 

I'm not suggesting anything until I'm caught up/confident more one way than the other.

 

Right now I have two possible worlds:

Zander and Random are Scum. Shad is Scum. 

 

 

Can we just hammer

 

 

 

Not seeing the connection between shad and Pral. Zander, can you explain?

 

Pral likes to bus

 

Pral calls Shad Scum out of the gate.

 

The progression I laid out just reads awkwardly to me.

 

Im gonna ISO Shad once we get the flip and see if theres more to it or not.

 

 

Counter argument: 

 

Zander likes to bus.

 

Zander and Random go hammer and tongs out the gate.

 

Shad is incredi-Town when he's Town, and reads Zander like a book.

 

If Shad is Town, he is a threat but not confirmed. Confirmed player/s take precedence for NK. Other threats get targeted for a lynch.

 

 

 

 

Um actually inclined to town read Cass after that mix up. Seemed to me like confused town more than conniving scum

 

Maybe but not so sure

 

 

Thought process please Z? In as many words and with as many quotes as you can muster?

 

 

i can vote if we are wanting to

 

do it imo

 

random can control the na time anyways and we have 24 hours to confirm and go from there.

 

 

Why are you so trusting of Random actually being the cop?

 

 

 

@ Zander

 

On the one side:

 

Partway through Shad ISO. Thoughts and stuff. 

 

 

On the other side:

 

If Random really is the cop and has a scum check on Shad AND thinks he's going to be NK'd.

Why isn't he/hasn't he focused on looking for partners?

[Darthe]

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to take from that z

[Eldrick4221]

 

Hey Darthe. I know you are stuck with a scum read on me, but if you knew I was town who would you suspect?

Thatd really ruin my reads tbh, id prob still go dice next but if you're town? Id have to reevaluate most everyone.

Ok you did answer. Dice next.

 

I remembered you saying you didn't know.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

I see a world where Darthe votes us and scum piles on and it's a repeat of last game.

This may well be a slip folks.

If Eldrick is Town, this is probably Scum Darthe

Darthe trending down for me

Why?

 

 

Because it feels like youre reaching

[Eldrick4221]

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to take from that z

Top quote in the post. Cass complaining that Zander and I are twisting the events. Proof we aren't.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

I see a world where Darthe votes us and scum piles on and it's a repeat of last game.

This may well be a slip folks.

If Eldrick is Town, this is probably Scum Darthe

Sun Darthe isn't fixated on his reads. He likes to change it as the game goes on depending on where it is most opportunistic.

 

Are you looking for a mislynch?

 

 

How do you KNOW it would be a mislynch!?!?!?!?!

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

 

I see a world where Darthe votes us and scum piles on and it's a repeat of last game.

This may well be a slip folks.

If Eldrick is Town, this is probably Scum Darthe

Sun Darthe isn't fixated on his reads. He likes to change it as the game goes on depending on where it is most opportunistic.

 

Are you looking for a mislynch?

How do you KNOW it would be a mislynch!?!?!?!?!

Cuz it's Cass and pral ldo

[BFG]

Morning

 

What's the VC?

 

What do I need to know?

[Eldrick4221]

Vote Count 3.09

 

Cass (2) - Zander, Sock

Sock (1) - Darthe

BFG (1) - Pral

Pral (2) - BFG, Dice

 

Not voting: Marsh, Cass

 

5 to lynch

 

DL in 1.5 hours.

[Zander?]

 

 

I'm also sick of fighting you over your read of me. I'm probably just not gonna play a game with you again.

 

"Eldrick is just wolfy" is the reason, and you will see that after I'm lynched or post game. You can't understand that I'm town and never will dealing with you is a headache I'm not gonna put myself through again.

This just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. If you dont like being wolf read then dont be such a sloppy wolf. Im doing what im supposed to and you're either truly mad or faking being mad because you dont like the result. Either one is bad form.

You say that like I care.

 

If you sign up I'm leaving the game.

 

 

You guys should stop this.

 

Im also gonna say i dont like this kind of stuff coming out in game.

 

I know I can get heated as well but still, this stuffs not enjoyable or good for the game.

 

That being said, I dont think Scum!Eldrick would react like this saying hes not gonna play with you anymore type stuffs.

[Eldrick4221]

I'm sorry Zander. I will try.

[Zander?]

 

Somebody help.

 

There's a post back a bit where Darthe and Eldrick are talking whether or not Eldrick would vote Darthe.

 

Eldrick makes what I think is a similiar slip.

 

He counts Darthe out of something that should've made Darthe scum in his eyes.

 

Then he comes back and corrects it in a later post.

Playing both side of the fence

 

 

Who is!?!?!?

[Eldrick4221]

Half tempted to just put Darthe on ignore.