Hackers Mafia - Game Thread [Game Over]

[Zander?]

We need to get on the same page and consolidate

 

As you know my WTL is Cass>Pral and I think Ive covered why.

 

Id like everyone to give a WTL and why for today even if youve already have so its clear, laid out and we dont have to wade through it.

[Eldrick4221]

Actually I thought he was null but it reminded me of what I remember from his town game, namely the snap read and comparing 2 people.

[Zander?]

ok theyre back with supper

 

ill keep checking in.

 

but reads/wtl lists with reasoning.

 

Need to put at least 2 people in the WTL so we can see how to proceed best to achieve consolidation.

[Eldrick4221]

WTL both Cass and pral equally. Think they are the remaining scum team.

 

Cass because shad's consistent town read of her. Because she freaked out when people wouldn't unvote.

 

Pral because of his early scum read on shad. Catching that early doesn't make sense to me.

 

Both because after seeing them c9nmected like this I notice Pral scum reading shad and town reading Cass (classic scum move), and because of the read list I posted that you quoted and colored clumping them into 2 different groups.

 

It all fits together and feels like a game solve.

[Eldrick4221]

I know I'm forgetting some points too

[Eldrick4221]

[V]cass [/v]

[Eldrick4221]

It is so weird that the reason Cass is trying to clear herself is precisely the reason I think she's scum.

[Pralaya]

Pral ISO

 

 

 

Struggling with the pace of the game early on is null in a game this size

 

Manbat, Nyn, Zander townie early. Eldrick twtbaw. NB, Darthe, Dice null/normal for D1. Shad is odd "just looks like drifting through the game. His posts seem too passive and he is commenting on general stuff..." - nothing stands out as stuff he wouldn't say, Shad read looks good

 

Says he'll case Shad if [Prals] alive once caught up

 

(start Day 2) Thinks Calder looked town following stance on NB EoD1, thinks Shad looked scummy. Wants to look at Darthe/Zander

 

 

 

If youre Town were gonna have a talk post game about what bad Town is.

 

Youve got what like 2 votes on you like 8 hours before DL!?!?!?!?

 

No I dont believe that Town!Anyone really does this but to further my suss please notice the BOLD:

 

Why would you ever assume youd be alive D2?!?!?!!?

This outburst was what made me suspect Zander in the first place. yeah, random claiming early in D1 was not a good play. It could have been entirely avoided. But, the kind of outburst coming from you looks fake. Look at the reaction from Calder, sooh - it was more of surprise than anger. Anger is something that can easily be faked by scum to show that they are townie and I felt that was what was happening here

If you had him as town previously why would you read this and assume that it's faked to look town instead of just town?

 

 

 

In fact, you harping on the entire "Pral likes to bus" narrative just confirms my read that you are scum. The town Zander I know would mention it but not make a whole case on that. You have been saying that right from D1 when I called out Shad as scum. And, this was around the point when random claimed and you were looking for an alternative. That was the scond reason why I started suspecting you.

 

(As an aside, Sooh would know - I do tend to bus as scum but I am more careful as scum when people who know that are around. Like in the PoTC game, I was not busing until Zander was dead. I even explicitly told it to Sooh who was my scummate there)

And this reads a lot like what you're saying above, start with an assumption and then fit the facts, yet Zander makes connections as standard, why is this scummy of him now when you didn't have an issue with his Sock/Random/Nyce read?

 

Accuses Zander of having half the thread as suspects, yet today seemingly has half the thread as suspects (assuming Cass is a suspect, since you haven't answered otherwise)

 

Zander nudges

 

Thinks Zander > Amega > Darthe - why Amega? Darthe just POE, yet earlier was one of his two most likely suspects, find it odd that his read on Zander went from town to mafia, when Zander became more town with the game

 

Explains Cass read (to multiple people) doesn't think Cass would press the cop if mafia, doesn't think Manbat would react that way if mafia

 

 

Caught up long ago, but no updated list (till asked) - prodding Zander as suspect so not necessarily bothered by the delay

 

Most recent list seems to have Darthe/Sooh as town, Cass or Zander, one of me/Zander/Dice? Still not sure who his suspected team is other than me

 

Talks about trains - null

 

 

 

Why was Darthe one of your two suspects with Zander when later on you say you don't remember much from him and he's just there because POE. Why was Amega scummy and not just POE, why missing from your previous list?

 

 

TLDR I don't follow his read on Zander, I don't understand his changing read on Darthe, or his read on Amega. As hydra I could follow him pretty easily last game, and am a little concerned this isn't the case now. Don't think this is just OMGUS

 

Pral

As I clearly said in that post, Darthe was due to poor PIE and I had yet to read him in detail. Later, after I ISO'd him, I got him as town.

 

Amega was in the list because he had no posts at all. Seriously?

[Andrej]

Vote Count 3.08

 

Cass (2) - Zander, Sock

Sock (1) - Darthe

BFG (1) - Pral

Pral (1) - BFG

 

Not voting: Marsh, Cass, Dice

 

5 to lynch

 

DL in 2.5 hours.

[Pralaya]

 

Cass seems scummiest to me at the moment - she's focusing on changing Zanders read and ignoring most other questions. It reminds me a lot of how I treated Cory and/or Chris at different points in Spirited Away. I'm like 80% sure that it was Cass that was valuing Random's attempt of communication, so it seems 'odd' that she is so unconcerned with it. She seems to have contradicted herself in her Zander read (when she entered he was flat, now she values his enthusiasm and she hasn't explained the difference yet). She's been asking a lot of questions, but offering little opinion, I don't see the outcome of all the questions she's asked (desperately need to ISO). But, little things, I vaguely remember a conversation with Cory about Cass's occasional inability to make a decision and move on, but she's had suspects or at least a POE, I just don't recall reasons for them at the time.

 

Manbats entrance wasn't enough for me to town read him straight from it, his emotional posting seemed subdued

PLEASE BE A VILLAGER

 

PLEASE BE A VILLAGER

 

PLEASE BE A VILLAGER

She is not. She is using weak assertions to force a read on me. Completely unlike town BFG.

 

As to why you you are town if she is scum, she is trying to build confidence in trying to steer the town to lynch town. If you were also scum, she would have tried harder to detail why you are town

[Cass]

*Headdesk a thousand times for DM formatting* 

 

 

Trying to go through and MQ things standing out in batches so you can see where thoughts are coming from exactly, but it keeps dropping stuff as I go, or changing poster names etc.

 

Eldrick and Sooh are working with lots of people which seems good, but everything they suggest seems/feels bad. 

 

Darthe's push on Sock is Towny unless the two of them keep finding ways to avoid voting each other.

 

Somebody tell me what Sock's early read of Darthe was pls?

 

Dice does feel like the gif Sooh posted to me a bit, but BFG says that meta's old and the way Sooh posted it, and suggestions of Zander and I as possible WW seem off. I feel like Eldrick and Sooh are just trying to line up all the mislynches they can.

 

Darthe's commentary wrt me is logical but I find it null for his alignment. There are some interactions with BFG particularly I think look like TownDarthetryingtofigureoutBFG pushes. His pushes on Sock match my reads. His sarcasm and some comments make me concerned it's fake across the board and he's pulling strings. This is probably not alignment indicative. He's pushing every which way for reactions. 

 

Pral's explanation of his read of me matches the cold logic I imagine he uses generally, and he seems focused simply on that and voting/providing examples of why BFG is scum and that's probably a good thing if you follow CCSoHW theory. Tbqf I also had the same impression of BFG wrt Zander when I looked at her ISO the other day.

 

Zander is trending the line of his scum/Town meta but is probably Town with blinkers on, some of the very recent stuff that shows he's wavering on me at the end of a tunnel is a good look for him. 

 

Zander made a really big deal about my early pressure on Amega to come and play, and then him and BFG reading each other the way they have makes me think there's a world where they're possibly WW.

 

BFG's stances on me are worrisome because they seem very fixed? on the idea that I'm scum but she is getting really involved.

Did Zander interact much or pounce on BFG to figure her out at all?

 

 

 

I still think it's Cass and pral. Won't be able to shake that unless one of them flips to disprove it.

Wtv either. Will be around for DL, but won't be too active cuz work comes first.

 

 

[Cass]

 

His read on Monstr was a really early one, and an easy one too. It's null

 

OK

 

Heres the thing, Shad gave 3 easy Town reds iirc, Sock/MonCass/Dice(?) i think was the last tho I may be wrong.

 

I dont think he just does that with ONLY Townies imo.

 

 

WHY CAN'T IT BE SOCK?

 

I do NOT understand how we have such conflicted reads on them Z.

[Eldrick4221]

We are low on his list.

 

Do you dispute the reasoning that there is probably a scum in the people shad gave confident town reads to?

 

Who would you consider if you knew we were town?

[Eldrick4221]

If you flip town I will look at dice for precisely that reason.

[Eldrick4221]

@Pral

 

If I am wrong about Cass, either I'm wrong about dice and he's scum or I am wrong about shad putting a scum in his early town reads.

 

Does bfg/dice make sense to you?

 

Does bfg/cass?

[Eldrick4221]

Also still waiting for an example that she is assuming Zander is town. I couldn't find one.

[Zander?]

 

*Headdesk a thousand times for DM formatting* 

 

 

Trying to go through and MQ things standing out in batches so you can see where thoughts are coming from exactly, but it keeps dropping stuff as I go, or changing poster names etc.

 

Eldrick and Sooh are working with lots of people which seems good, but everything they suggest seems/feels bad. 

 

Darthe's push on Sock is Towny unless the two of them keep finding ways to avoid voting each other.

 

Somebody tell me what Sock's early read of Darthe was pls?

 

Dice does feel like the gif Sooh posted to me a bit, but BFG says that meta's old and the way Sooh posted it, and suggestions of Zander and I as possible WW seem off. I feel like Eldrick and Sooh are just trying to line up all the mislynches they can.

 

Darthe's commentary wrt me is logical but I find it null for his alignment. There are some interactions with BFG particularly I think look like TownDarthetryingtofigureoutBFG pushes. His pushes on Sock match my reads. His sarcasm and some comments make me concerned it's fake across the board and he's pulling strings. This is probably not alignment indicative. He's pushing every which way for reactions. 

 

Pral's explanation of his read of me matches the cold logic I imagine he uses generally, and he seems focused simply on that and voting/providing examples of why BFG is scum and that's probably a good thing if you follow CCSoHW theory. Tbqf I also had the same impression of BFG wrt Zander when I looked at her ISO the other day.

 

Zander is trending the line of his scum/Town meta but is probably Town with blinkers on, some of the very recent stuff that shows he's wavering on me at the end of a tunnel is a good look for him. 

 

Zander made a really big deal about my early pressure on Amega to come and play, and then him and BFG reading each other the way they have makes me think there's a world where they're possibly WW.

 

BFG's stances on me are worrisome because they seem very fixed? on the idea that I'm scum but she is getting really involved.

Did Zander interact much or pounce on BFG to figure her out at all?

 

 

 

I still think it's Cass and pral. Won't be able to shake that unless one of them flips to disprove it.

 

Wtv either. Will be around for DL, but won't be too active cuz work comes first.

 

 

 

Red- Darthe's been voting Sock for awhile now so....?!???!

 

Also can you do like an actually reads list like so i can see the order and who youre WTL

[Zander?]

 

 

Cass seems scummiest to me at the moment - she's focusing on changing Zanders read and ignoring most other questions. It reminds me a lot of how I treated Cory and/or Chris at different points in Spirited Away. I'm like 80% sure that it was Cass that was valuing Random's attempt of communication, so it seems 'odd' that she is so unconcerned with it. She seems to have contradicted herself in her Zander read (when she entered he was flat, now she values his enthusiasm and she hasn't explained the difference yet). She's been asking a lot of questions, but offering little opinion, I don't see the outcome of all the questions she's asked (desperately need to ISO). But, little things, I vaguely remember a conversation with Cory about Cass's occasional inability to make a decision and move on, but she's had suspects or at least a POE, I just don't recall reasons for them at the time.

 

Manbats entrance wasn't enough for me to town read him straight from it, his emotional posting seemed subdued

PLEASE BE A VILLAGER

 

PLEASE BE A VILLAGER

 

PLEASE BE A VILLAGER

She is not. She is using weak assertions to force a read on me. Completely unlike town BFG.

 

As to why you you are town if she is scum, she is trying to build confidence in trying to steer the town to lynch town. If you were also scum, she would have tried harder to detail why you are town

 

 

I dont know if I agree for sure but your logic does make sense.

[Darthe]

Im back, Dr Strange was lrgit and we are going for a late dinner!

[Darthe]

I see a world where Darthe votes us and scum piles on and it's a repeat of last game.

This may well be a slip folks.

[Cass]

 

 

Cass seems scummiest to me at the moment - she's focusing on changing Zanders read and ignoring most other questions. It reminds me a lot of how I treated Cory and/or Chris at different points in Spirited Away. I'm like 80% sure that it was Cass that was valuing Random's attempt of communication, so it seems 'odd' that she is so unconcerned with it. She seems to have contradicted herself in her Zander read (when she entered he was flat, now she values his enthusiasm and she hasn't explained the difference yet). She's been asking a lot of questions, but offering little opinion, I don't see the outcome of all the questions she's asked (desperately need to ISO). But, little things, I vaguely remember a conversation with Cory about Cass's occasional inability to make a decision and move on, but she's had suspects or at least a POE, I just don't recall reasons for them at the time.

 

Manbats entrance wasn't enough for me to town read him straight from it, his emotional posting seemed subdued

PLEASE BE A VILLAGER

 

PLEASE BE A VILLAGER

 

PLEASE BE A VILLAGER

She is not. She is using weak assertions to force a read on me. Completely unlike town BFG.

 

As to why you you are town if she is scum, she is trying to build confidence in trying to steer the town to lynch town. If you were also scum, she would have tried harder to detail why you are town

 

 

And Darthe?

 

How can you have this impression of BFG but not Darthe?

 

 

We are low on his list.

 

Do you dispute the reasoning that there is probably a scum in the people shad gave confident town reads to?

 

Who would you consider if you knew we were town?

 

Yes I dispute the reasoning. I find Zander sticking to it weird. I wouldn't restrict the WTL according to that and I'd consider anyone strongly sticking to it to be a possibility for his partner. I say this cos I feel like it's something you'd use as scum down the track 'Cass said stick to this...' . FTR I don't think Dice picks on wording so much as actual game play inconsistencies or lies so /shrug

 

Gut says Pral/BFG     Zander    Darthe as deepwolf

 

And this with a disclaimer that I haven't read Dice or way too much of the thread. He feels less firey but I don't know why.

 

 

 

*Headdesk a thousand times for DM formatting* 

 

 

Trying to go through and MQ things standing out in batches so you can see where thoughts are coming from exactly, but it keeps dropping stuff as I go, or changing poster names etc.

 

Eldrick and Sooh are working with lots of people which seems good, but everything they suggest seems/feels bad. 

 

Darthe's push on Sock is Towny unless the two of them keep finding ways to avoid voting each other.

 

Somebody tell me what Sock's early read of Darthe was pls?

 

Dice does feel like the gif Sooh posted to me a bit, but BFG says that meta's old and the way Sooh posted it, and suggestions of Zander and I as possible WW seem off. I feel like Eldrick and Sooh are just trying to line up all the mislynches they can.

 

Darthe's commentary wrt me is logical but I find it null for his alignment. There are some interactions with BFG particularly I think look like TownDarthetryingtofigureoutBFG pushes. His pushes on Sock match my reads. His sarcasm and some comments make me concerned it's fake across the board and he's pulling strings. This is probably not alignment indicative. He's pushing every which way for reactions. 

 

Pral's explanation of his read of me matches the cold logic I imagine he uses generally, and he seems focused simply on that and voting/providing examples of why BFG is scum and that's probably a good thing if you follow CCSoHW theory. Tbqf I also had the same impression of BFG wrt Zander when I looked at her ISO the other day.

 

Zander is trending the line of his scum/Town meta but is probably Town with blinkers on, some of the very recent stuff that shows he's wavering on me at the end of a tunnel is a good look for him. 

 

Zander made a really big deal about my early pressure on Amega to come and play, and then him and BFG reading each other the way they have makes me think there's a world where they're possibly WW.

 

BFG's stances on me are worrisome because they seem very fixed? on the idea that I'm scum but she is getting really involved.

Did Zander interact much or pounce on BFG to figure her out at all?

 

 

 

I still think it's Cass and pral. Won't be able to shake that unless one of them flips to disprove it.

 

Wtv either. Will be around for DL, but won't be too active cuz work comes first.

 

 

 

Red- Darthe's been voting Sock for awhile now so....?!???!

 

Also can you do like an actually reads list like so i can see the order and who youre WTL

 

 

 

I told you my head was messed up. There was a post back a bit where Darthe pointed towards Pral because people seemed reluctant to vote Sock? Felt like him pulling strings. And I got the impression Eldrick and him were doing a weird dance.

 

I don't like that so many people were quiet besides Sock here when them and I are most likely for lynch. DADV? People staying off are sus. People who stuck to me so hard are sus. 

 

I'm staying off them for a combination of this and the fact I'm contributing less.

 

GLGL Town <3

[dicetosser1]

 

 

<3 Dice (I think you're the only player that fears me when scum though )

 

What's your read on me?

 

i like the questions ure asking. sounds like town solvey bfg to me. youre isoing away. tho you arnt coming up with firm thoughts out of them. wish you were here more.  town lean is about as far as i will go atm

 

Dice can you talk about Pral?

 

Has barely been here. i dont really remember a lot of what he has said and i cant get rid of the feeling that i should be voting him but as he didnt say what i thought he did i have no reason for it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

ok this is from CASS but i messed it up

 

 

 

because they are good fairly non committal ways to give someone a town lean. easy to flip on if their town easy to make if their ure scum buddy without being tied to it in bands of steel

 

I was going to respond to Cass' post, but I think Dice nails it here.

 

 

I agree with the start but don't understand how the bold works. @Both of you, how is a 'definitely Town' type read easy to flip on?

 

@Dice, how many times did I use this exact play as scum with Town!you? "Dice is definitely Town!Dice!" You also know that it's a thing.

 

 

I DO know its a thing but you and I are not Shad. Hes trickier then we are. As for how to get away from it??  a post like "i liked when cass was doing this and this  but now shes doing  x  which i dont like and is making me reevaluate

 

flip done

 

 

Dice who you gonna vote for today and why?

 

Its the weekend and your activity level still hasnt really perked up any.

 

Why is this?

 

 

you realise i asked for a hydra for a reason right? Im in 2 games on 2 sites and its the busy end of year at work so im getting slammed and im still a bit crook. thats why i wanted a hydra cause i wasnt sure id be able to be active enuff..

 

im gonna follow my gut. Vote Pral  dont ask me for good reasons for it because i honestly dont have any its just my gut screaming.

 

i MIGHt be able to be here a tiny bit before DL but lunch is over so i dont know for sure. depends on the calls.

[Cass]

 

I see a world where Darthe votes us and scum piles on and it's a repeat of last game.

This may well be a slip folks.

 

 

If Eldrick is Town, this is probably Scum Darthe

[Eldrick4221]

 

I see a world where Darthe votes us and scum piles on and it's a repeat of last game.

This may well be a slip folks.

In what world is that a slip?

 

Last game. You vote dice. Verb and leelou pile on. They win.

 

This game. You vote us. Scum pile on. They win.

 

I see it happening.

[dicetosser1]

 

I see a world where Darthe votes us and scum piles on and it's a repeat of last game.

This may well be a slip folks.

 

 

how so?