Hackers Mafia - Game Thread [Game Over]

[dicetosser1]

i thought he kinda defended shad by comment made on my WTL that i posted

[BFG]

Dice, what are your current reads?

 

Same for Cass?

[BFG]

Or rather, has anything changed since yesterday for Cass?

[Andrej]

Vote Count 3.07

 

Cass (1) - Zander

Sock (1) - Darthe

BFG (1) - Pral

Pral (1) - BFG

 

Not voting: Marsh, Cass, Dice, Sock

 

5 to lynch

 

DL in a little over 5 hours.

[BFG]

@Dice, I wish I was coming up with firm thoughts lol I feel like I'm floundering a little here

[BFG]

Marsh where'd you go? :(

[Sooh]

 

 

 

Its interesting tho Cass you never brought that up till Darthe mentioned it.

 

 

Where did Darthe mention this?

 

 

I think you should factor in what he said about Monter imo

 

Is it? Have you looked at Shad's ISO with the perspective of 'who is he setting up here'? I find it hard to believe you read his ISO and didn't come up with the same pings I did.

 

I think this could be Town Zander with blinkers coming back at me instead of actually thinking about the question in context/considering you might be wrong, but the sus he keeps throwing my way without reconsidering anything to do with me, at any point is bad and pinging and something he'd use to his advantage beyond reason if scum.

 

 

Your question a) can't be properly answered if excluding him answering questions, and b) is excluding part of the first reason I suss you.

 

You are completely overlooking the 2 times he promoted the town reads on both of us. What THOSE said to me is more important imo.

 

Because he was giving confident town reads so early in the game, it felt like there was scum he was trying to distance from. No scum ever expects to be lynched, and the game plan is usually to slot a teammate at a Town read right off the bat. That's what it looks like he's doing with you. He town read manbat as well. Like super early in the game.

 

Pros - Eldrick considers and provides an answer and an opportunity to talk. Cons - it's all twisted with a bias against me.

 

"No scum ever expects to be lynched" is a load of bollocks, and  you're 100% wrong on the bold when it comes to players like Shad. I understand scum generally put a proportion of teammates in Town at the start to avoid having to vote them D1, but generally the players they never doubt are Town being pocketed and set up.

 

I agree with the underlined but I don't see how that applies to me, considering he never distanced from me at all.

 

Those posts you reference pinged like crazy to me too. To me they said he was likely hedging his bets, putting a partner he shows some deliberation (ie, distanced from) on in with a Towny he never doubts. That way, he can call his partner Town but back off/Bus if needed, and throw enough suspicion on a Towny after his flip wolf because he 'hadn't doubted me'/treated me different to other players.

 

There is also the possibility that he did this to two Townies just for WIFOM's sake. The fact that he picked two players he's notoriously good at reading (Sooh, I) to put against each other is a thing. I think the fact he gave himself wriggle room on you guys but not me is a thing (hence my I hate you Shad <3 post).

 

Town reading Monstr at that point in the game has the benefit of being seen to be 'going against the grain'. 

 

 

 

 

 

because they are good fairly non committal ways to give someone a town lean. easy to flip on if their town easy to make if their ure scum buddy without being tied to it in bands of steel

 

I was going to respond to Cass' post, but I think Dice nails it here.

 

 

I agree with the start but don't understand how the bold works. @Both of you, how is a 'definitely Town' type read easy to flip on?

 

@Dice, how many times did I use this exact play as scum with Town!you? "Dice is definitely Town!Dice!" You also know that it's a thing.

 

 

 

 

 

@Cass either Shad's clearing a teammate or he's defending town, I can see Shad doing either, in many ways he's a tactical player

 

Why are you ignoring everyone's questions to you except Zanders?

 

^ to the bold.

I am not caught up/confident in much right now, and not answering other people much isn't intentional, it's more that I know if Z's a wolf, the extent of his push on me and refusal to look elsewhere/broader could be telling for the rest of you when I flip. 

 

 

 

I never felt Shad made any sort of definite town read on either of us. It was actually his refusal to give such that was pinging. So yeah, he could have easily flipped that read if he needed another mislynch.

[Eldrick4221]

I thought DL was tomorrow. Crap.

[BFG]

Cass, I don't know if it's just because I'm tired, but I'm not following you on pretty much anyone (page 3 of your ISO)

 

During Day 2 you don't want to mislynch Shad if town (fair), that you mind melded which is a good sign, then agree with Dice that town! Shad would have fought harder, while still pushing a Zander/Random team???

 

But you've played long enough to know that the correct technical play is to lynch an un cc'd cop view when not lylo. And if Shad had flipped town, then he's have gone one for one, maybe one for two. Why was this so paralysing?

 

You dislike Darthe's early posts, agree with Zander they're null as they're stuff he'd post as town, then will cry if he and Shad are mafia?

 

You like me light town reading Pral, yet seem to have him as mafia?

 

I think my assessment of questions and no thoughts was harsh, there are thoughts in there, would have to ISO the games linked tomsee if there's a difference in ratio based on alignment

 

You said that early game Zander was flats, yet recently posted that you liked his excitement?

 

 

Thanks for the explanation on the focus on Zander

 

Can you give a read list with as much detail about changing reads as you can? :puppydogeyes:

 

 

 

I currently don't know what to make of this, I want to say that mafia! Cass is cleaner, but that meta's well over a year old. She seems to agree with Zander that she's more subdued than normal, but says it's out of game

[BFG]

Completely out of time for ISOing Darthe :(

[BFG]

[v]Pral[/v]

[BFG]

Didn't like Pral in ISO and am more confused by Cass at this point

 

Will sleep on it and try to be back before phase change

[BFG]

Zander where did you go?

[Cass]

The concept of him putting 2 people he can read easily as his town reads also makes sense.

 

The point that Zander made about that removing them from potential ml bugs me.

 

^

[Eldrick4221]

 

ok lmk when youre caught up

 start being villagery

 

really wanna hear your take on Sooh/Eld

 

 

*blink*

This interaction looks really good for Zander, and further confirms my read there.

[Andrej]

[v]Pral[/v]

Added.

[Cass]

I'm trying to organise my thoughts people, but ftr I'm utterly exhausted, missing huge chunks of the game and second-guessing myself every thought I have.

 

I'll go through recent comments and chuck my 2c in / reply with what I can.

[Eldrick4221]

I haven't been frustrated because I'm controlling my play time better and people aren't grilling me for stupid reasons. It's quite refreshing actually.

 

Cass is fine Dice is probably fine (Zander) you've looked a lot better than you did in the first 24 hours. Darthe's apathetic which is annoying but typical for his town game. NotBob's been a lot more active than his last wolf game.

 

I stand by Sooh's tone being villagery but it's a lot harder for me to read her when she's being defensive and I hope to see scum hunting in the posts I've yet to read.

 

amega and Pral don't exist.

 

Felt like Random has been misrepping things and I'm curious how Calder responded to my question irt his Eldrick/Sooh reads.

 

Need to focus on reading more talking less.

I realize that amega and pral were basically non-entities at this point, but he clumped so many people into the first paragraph that I just don't see both teammates being in that group.

 

If the traitor wasn't recruited, this is a wash, but we have to assume one way or the other to look for clues.

 

That being said, I think because of this list that there's a scum in pral/bfg that he conveniently didn't have to talk about.

[Eldrick4221]

Cass, I don't know if it's just because I'm tired, but I'm not following you on pretty much anyone (page 3 of your ISO)

 

During Day 2 you don't want to mislynch Shad if town (fair), that you mind melded which is a good sign, then agree with Dice that town! Shad would have fought harder, while still pushing a Zander/Random team???

 

But you've played long enough to know that the correct technical play is to lynch an un cc'd cop view when not lylo. And if Shad had flipped town, then he's have gone one for one, maybe one for two. Why was this so paralysing?

 

You dislike Darthe's early posts, agree with Zander they're null as they're stuff he'd post as town, then will cry if he and Shad are mafia?

 

You like me light town reading Pral, yet seem to have him as mafia?

 

I think my assessment of questions and no thoughts was harsh, there are thoughts in there, would have to ISO the games linked tomsee if there's a difference in ratio based on alignment

 

You said that early game Zander was flats, yet recently posted that you liked his excitement?

 

 

Thanks for the explanation on the focus on Zander

 

Can you give a read list with as much detail about changing reads as you can? :puppydogeyes:

 

 

 

I currently don't know what to make of this, I want to say that mafia! Cass is cleaner, but that meta's well over a year old. She seems to agree with Zander that she's more subdued than normal, but says it's out of game

Um.......what?

[Eldrick4221]

Ok ignore that. Didn't read "view"

[Eldrick4221]

"The correct technical play is to lynch the un-cc'd cop"

 

Lololol

[Eldrick4221]

 

The concept of him putting 2 people he can read easily as his town reads also makes sense.

 

The point that Zander made about that removing them from potential ml bugs me.

^

Bugs in that it makes sense for him to list a scum as a confident town read so he never has to explain why he didn't vote them.

 

I.e. felt like he was doing that to you.

[Eldrick4221]

Going through shad ISO is draining me. He comes off so clean and it's hard to find anything.

 

My reason for looking was because Cass said that his read on her never changed. As I just said, that is why it's suspicious. I'm not sure why I thought confirming that would make her look better, like she was trying to state.

[Eldrick4221]

I still think it's Cass and pral. Won't be able to shake that unless one of them flips to disprove it.

 

Wtv either. Will be around for DL, but won't be too active cuz work comes first.

[Zander?]

^because I thought Pral would have bussed Shad if m/m after that read or given a different read, I no longer agree with that thought though

 

Also <333

 

You dont think Shad and Pral can be w/w?!?!?!?!

 

Why???