Hackers Mafia - Game Thread [Game Over]

Zander? · December 3, 2016

Ok thanks, do you know if they've played off site outside of Spooooooky mafia?

Probably nothing, but reading Shad because he's 'sensible' generally isn't the way to go, but not sure that's meta Manbat has

Shit sorry this is not true Shad was Scum in GND

BFG · December 3, 2016

@Cass thanks for the above :) will read in detail later, want to try and get to page 50 before I go exploring :excited:

bluntly I've never seen her this engaged as mafia (and although volumes a sign, it's more how she engages/tries to work with people). In addition her early ISOs didn't seem to be pushing an agenda (although will be interesting to see in context when I get that far)

The issue with the constant pressure is that it's meant that she hasn't done much for herself that was unpressured ~~which also screws the straight volume tell~~

I'm still pretty happy with her as town, but will be re-evaluating as I read. If I have tin-foil it's in the way she's avoided off the cuff reads early game (after receiving heat for the Zander one)

dicetosser1 · December 3, 2016

other lynches shad pral darthe

shads just not talking the way im used to. Granted i sux at reading him.

pral inactive but not doing the things i expect from pral when he is here

darthe because he annoyed me.

i DO have a bit of a thought to lynch between sock nb and calder just to try and sort that argument out but that would probably get messy and i dont know that theres enuff info re nb and calder to allow us to make a decision that has a good chance of being right

Looking for that quote for you, dice. Your description is vague, but working with it as I can.

This is before Notbob died, but is a WTL. Ring any bells?

yep thats the quote i made

darthe im biased on after last game i want him dead at F4 on sheer principle. and to be honest im kinda stuck there

cass i had monster as town. i dont think cass has done anything scummy but my batting ave for reading cass right is 0.00000

right now sock is giving me fits

and if i find the post i think i remember im voting pral soon

i cant find the stupid thing but my guts screaming at me about it.

vote pral

I dont understand why youre voting Pral

cause i misremembered something

Ok thanks, do you know if they've played off site outside of Spooooooky mafia?

Probably nothing, but reading Shad because he's 'sensible' generally isn't the way to go, but not sure that's meta Manbat has

Shit sorry this is not true Shad was Scum in GND

this is now for you too Zander this is NOT Jn!

@ cass

Zander? · December 3, 2016

@Cass thanks for the above :) will read in detail later, want to try and get to page 50 before I go exploring :excited:

bluntly I've never seen her this engaged as mafia (and although volumes a sign, it's more how she engages/tries to work with people). In addition her early ISOs didn't seem to be pushing an agenda (although will be interesting to see in context when I get that far)

The issue with the constant pressure is that it's meant that she hasn't done much for herself that was unpressured ~~which also screws the straight volume tell~~

I'm still pretty happy with her as town, but will be re-evaluating as I read. If I have tin-foil it's in the way she's avoided off the cuff reads early game (after receiving heat for the Zander one)

Who are you talking about here?!!?!?

Zander? · December 3, 2016

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=search&andor_type=&sid=2a61e4bb1336da68d3f0338f1872f6a4&search_author=manbat&search_app_filters[forums][sortKey]=date&search_app_filters[forums][sortDir]=1&cType=topic&cId=96491&search_content=both&search_app_filters[forums][sortKey]=date&search_app_filters[forums][sortDir]=1&search_app_filters[forums][noPreview]=0&search_app_filters[forums][pCount]=&search_app_filters[forums][pViews]=&search_term=&search_app=forums&st=0

This is Town!Monstr in GnD

Reading this will confirm he's Scum this game. But funny enough, prolly that Eldrick is Town as well from the bits an peices Ive seen lolololol

Quick Highlights:

It shows Town!Monstr really has no idea how to read Eldrick early game at all.

He shows doubts when reading Shad.

BUT THE BIGGEST THING!!!- Start at page 6 and see what a real TOWN!MONSTR AtE freakout out is!!!!!

Like every post he makes for awhile is angry and confrontational, theres no i love you posts, hell even when i tell him i love him for pushing him he responded with "Yeah W/E"

Monstr/Cass are Scum here imo

Even when he drops snap reads, he gives a reason for it even if its not much.

Pralaya · December 3, 2016

Pral whats your read on Cass and why?
Not this again :|

Pretty much everyone had asked and I have pointed my response to that around 5 times already

a) As i said before, monstr's emotional posting makes methink he was town

b) i don't see scum Cass actively suspecting random when he revealed shad as scum. Shad himself had given up. Why would she fight it? In this situation, scum would pile up on shad for townie points

You said you dont think Monstr would AtE as Scum, the link Sooh provided shows differently, that he does use AtE as Scum.

And your reason for Cass alone was that you think she'd pile on Shad for Town points, well she did hammer him so again...

Why do you have them as Town?!!?!?!?

Why would scum dither on reads if she decides to bus anyway? Her thought process during the cop read, thinking and final vote on shad looks like confused townie

BFG · December 3, 2016

<snip>

I understand/read it Town Nyn rather than null fwiw.

How long was the go she ahd at you in FF? Imo/experience watching her it makes perfect sense to me that it was more a Town reaction, especially early in the game, and especially since she was really worked up about it/not letting it go. She picks more fights as Town when she feels restricted/like someone's telling her what to do. Monstr coming in with the idea that he had a 'better' way to play would've irked her right off as Town, less so as mafia since imo you're already accustomed to the idea of being somewhat restricted.

Monstr's thing was Towny btw.

WRT Zander's bold, this is incredibly true. But so is the fact that regardless of alignment we naturally tend to get all hyped up at the beginning of things, and then come down to focus. Look at me in any game. Monstr's also different Zander. ENFP have traits, but it's not be-all-and-end-all

[EXCEPT WHEN WE'RE ENFPGOATING!!!!!!!!]

Not long at all, but I hate using activity tells in games and only used it because I was frustrated with the game and felt isolated within it, plus real life was pretty shit and affecting my mood :/ so I apologised to everyone (it was a general 'nobodies doing anything' post) within about 10 minutes. So the situations were very different, the point is that Nyn is capable of faking or feeling irritation in mafia in a way that fools me so I'm not comfortable clearing that slot because of it. I also understand that nobody likes being told how to play (and know this is true for Nyn outside of the game), but given that it's her reaction outside the game it's easy to fake in game, additionally she got irritated when Manbat accused her of pocketing him, before the howtoplaygate

The Manbat/Shad thing is just a curiosity as to how Manbat reads him/how familiar they are

BFG · December 3, 2016

@Zander ^^^ about Sooh

BFG · December 3, 2016

Town LDO

Sock

Marsh

Likely town

Nyce

Random

Null

Manbat

No read on the rest yet.

I have liked dice's game so far. He has brought up a lot of good points and is being very engaging. Nyn is also town by way of hydra, but hasn't really proven it herself yet.

The way that random dealt with manbat's list just feels very towny to me.

I sussed manbat for his omission and how he dealt with random, but dice's explanation for why he did it makes a lot of sense. Back to null for now.

Why separate out Manbat from everyone else with no read?

BFG · December 3, 2016

Pral you caught up?

Zander? · December 3, 2016

Pral whats your read on Cass and why?
Not this again :|

Pretty much everyone had asked and I have pointed my response to that around 5 times already

a) As i said before, monstr's emotional posting makes methink he was town

b) i don't see scum Cass actively suspecting random when he revealed shad as scum. Shad himself had given up. Why would she fight it? In this situation, scum would pile up on shad for townie points

You said you dont think Monstr would AtE as Scum, the link Sooh provided shows differently, that he does use AtE as Scum.

And your reason for Cass alone was that you think she'd pile on Shad for Town points, well she did hammer him so again...

Why do you have them as Town?!!?!?!?

Why would scum dither on reads if she decides to bus anyway? Her thought process during the cop read, thinking and final vote on shad looks like confused townie

Ummm I dunno she cast doubt at the Cop too so Id say maybe to try to push or at least try to SWING or SEE if the lynch would go another way before getting rid of a teammate comes to mind at least.

Looking confused not hard to fake.

But whats more telling is when youre casing/"evaluating"/making points about me things that easy to type things or Meta Null things you just all go with Scum but with something easy with Cass you go Town.

Geez I wonder why that is!?!?!?!....

lololololol

Zander? · December 3, 2016

@Zander ^^^ about Sooh

ok ty

i think shes Town too, will prolly look good for herr to Cass flips Scum like I think she will imo

Pralaya · December 3, 2016

Pral you caught up?

Long back

Cass · December 3, 2016

Side note:

Hi all :D
On mobile at work. Have read along to page 5 last night and this page here.
No idea what else is going on yet, let's go!
So...fluff.
And Darthe not willing to do any work.
And img fluff.
Whoa now, im totally working, im just not digging backwards. Thats the past, and I wanna look ahead.

Not willing to go back and read, to develop reads on people, while asking said people what has happened.Not only not counted as working, but actually scummy. That you are willing to accept someone's answer without having a clue if they are town or not.

Without having read anything but this page since I said I was gonna go read, bold feels reachy if serious.
Darthe will walk all over this accusation as either alignment imo, Eldrick are you serious?
What do you mean by 'accept someone's answer' etc? Possibility for spin there seems off.
How else would you expect someone to approach a newcomer here?

Yes, yes I would if I thought that grass needed beating.

I stand by the fact this looks off for Eldrick. The initial suss over something that really doesn't make sense, and then continuing it. The first time I played with Eldrick the thing that triggered me to his scum play was that he perpetuated illogical gaps. I see that here.

@Darthe - The game would move faster if you weren't always so ambiguous :P

Why was beating grass there unnecessary in your opinion?

What was your interpretation of the motivation behind me beating it at the time?

What's your interpretation of the motivation behind me beating it now?

With explanations why please.

BFG · December 3, 2016

Pral you caught up?

Long back

Can you give an up to date read list and reasons? I know you've updated/re-explained your Cass read, but everyone else?

Cass · December 3, 2016

Ily Zander

Not a wolf though

As long as you know that I know youre a Wolf its all good

And no matter what i always love you too CassGOATENFPMUSICTWONHYDRAFRAND!!!!!!!

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

:rolleyes:

Working on post to thrash things out.

Any chance you change your opinion on alignment this game?

Cass · December 3, 2016

*my alignment ^

Pralaya · December 3, 2016

Ummm I dunno she cast doubt at the Cop too so Id say maybe to try to push or at least try to SWING or SEE if the lynch would go another way before getting rid of a teammate comes to mind at least.

Looking confused not hard to fake.

But whats more telling is when youre casing/"evaluating"/making points about me things that easy to type things or Meta Null things you just all go with Scum but with something easy with Cass you go Town.

Geez I wonder why that is!?!?!?!....

lololololol

Why would she do that when Shad himself was lolcatting? If it was to see if the lynch would go the other way, wouldn't the scum be coordinated?

As to the second part, you should ask the same question yourself. A good reason I am finding you scummy is because you are using flimsy null excuses to make me look like I am scum

Cass · December 3, 2016

What has Sooh done to make you feel good about her thus far?

Floated through the thread on a feather being happy to be here and saying whatever comes to her mind.

Scum!Sooh is cautious and it's tonally obvious.

If she's a wolf who just had a great early game it will come out when she has to start making more reads, but she's probably a villager.

ANYONE SEE SOOH'S LAST READS LIST?!?!!?!?!?!

ZANDER!

When you have an open mind.

Let's dig in a little? FTR - THIS IS NOT ME SHADING YOU. THIS IS ME WITH QUESTIONS ABOUT STUFF AND TRYING PROPER COMMUNICATION TO FIGURE YOU OUT.

I'm Town. Let's do this!

I liked:

The initial question/fact that there's interaction between you and Shad

The excitement

I see differences in our reactions to Shad's answer that I want to explore.

I read the line of Shad's you've highlighted as him giving himself space to flip a view on Sooh either way. To me, the part where he says 'but she's probably a villager' is the key.

The whole thing effectively suggests 'I know how to read her, trust me, I'll catch her if I need to, but you don't have to worry about that'

1. Thoughts??

Cass · December 3, 2016

What Zander wrote:

What has Sooh done to make you feel good about her thus far?

Floated through the thread on a feather being happy to be here and saying whatever comes to her mind.

Scum!Sooh is cautious and it's tonally obvious.

If she's a wolf who just had a great early game it will come out when she has to start making more reads, but she's probably a villager.

ANYONE SEE SOOH'S LAST READS LIST?!?!!?!?!?!

ok lmk when youre caught up

start being villagery

really wanna hear your take on Sooh/Eld

*blink*

lolololololololol

@Shad - where are you getting your Sooh meta from?

I'm not sure I even understand this question but I've played/spectated quite a few games with her. I've struggled to read her more in some games than others but I've never been dead wrong.

I dunno Im thinking I may wanna test this....

I don't know if this is a nitpicky word choice thing, but do you think that Random's choice to defend his read on me is an overreaction? The phrase "jump into your defense" seems very strong for what he did which in my opinion was more an explanation of a read.

Is anyone else noticing the random/sock/nyce triangle of town reads on each other since I called out Eldrick's connections post?!??!?!!?

Likely town

Nyce

Random

random hasnt done anything scummy really yet. thats all. nyn had him and zander as light town

she also was leaning town on sock tho i wasnt so sold on sock but that ones a watch and see spot.

Dice: It's surprising that my posts this game haven't drawn the scrutiny from Dice I faced last time, which could be a bad sign for him, or could mean my play's been a bit more solid this game. I've got a slight town vibe from him for the moment

Sock: Sooh hasn't really posted much substance in my opinion either way. Eldrick is doing a good job seeming like he's looking for scum, but I felt a bit weird about how he was so quick to vote manbat after our interaction, and seemed to agree with everything I said. This could be paranoia - I'm not used to being agreed with frequently in mafia. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt for the moment, but that just equals a null read

They're all trending positively on one another to some degree, but I'm not sure what you're getting at with red unless you think scum!Eldrick kicked off the game by informing us that if scum!Nyce is a wolf then scum!Random is too.

The only thing that really sticks out here to me is Random calling Dice town while saying mostly negative things about him, which doesn't say anything about Dice's alignment but leaves me wondering about Random a bit.

@Random can you/did you explain this town vibe?

Ya this pretty much confirms to me theres a Wolf in Sock/Dice/Cass

The only person he really takes issue here is the guy who is like almost confirmed Town Cop.

He's not gonna remove like a quarter of the starting roster from being able to be pushed as ml's imo

What I actually see:

Nudge

Nudge

Nudge

Looking at Pral only for now.

If Zander Villa this looks bad.

If Zander Scum we can't discount light bussing.

Them going hammer and tongs now ITT is a good thing.

What Zander wrote:

*snip*

What I actually see:

Nudge

Nudge

Nudge

I don't disagree.

This looks bad.

Sooh, what conclusions/considerations went along with this post?

Pralaya · December 3, 2016

What Zander wrote:

What has Sooh done to make you feel good about her thus far?
Floated through the thread on a feather being happy to be here and saying whatever comes to her mind.

Scum!Sooh is cautious and it's tonally obvious.

If she's a wolf who just had a great early game it will come out when she has to start making more reads, but she's probably a villager.

ANYONE SEE SOOH'S LAST READS LIST?!?!!?!?!?!

ok lmk when youre caught up

start being villagery

really wanna hear your take on Sooh/Eld

*blink*

lolololololololol

@Shad - where are you getting your Sooh meta from?
I'm not sure I even understand this question but I've played/spectated quite a few games with her. I've struggled to read her more in some games than others but I've never been dead wrong.

I dunno Im thinking I may wanna test this....

I don't know if this is a nitpicky word choice thing, but do you think that Random's choice to defend his read on me is an overreaction? The phrase "jump into your defense" seems very strong for what he did which in my opinion was more an explanation of a read.

Is anyone else noticing the random/sock/nyce triangle of town reads on each other since I called out Eldrick's connections post?!??!?!!?

Likely town

Nyce

Random

random hasnt done anything scummy really yet. thats all. nyn had him and zander as light town

she also was leaning town on sock tho i wasnt so sold on sock but that ones a watch and see spot.

Dice: It's surprising that my posts this game haven't drawn the scrutiny from Dice I faced last time, which could be a bad sign for him, or could mean my play's been a bit more solid this game. I've got a slight town vibe from him for the moment

Sock: Sooh hasn't really posted much substance in my opinion either way. Eldrick is doing a good job seeming like he's looking for scum, but I felt a bit weird about how he was so quick to vote manbat after our interaction, and seemed to agree with everything I said. This could be paranoia - I'm not used to being agreed with frequently in mafia. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt for the moment, but that just equals a null read

They're all trending positively on one another to some degree, but I'm not sure what you're getting at with red unless you think scum!Eldrick kicked off the game by informing us that if scum!Nyce is a wolf then scum!Random is too.

The only thing that really sticks out here to me is Random calling Dice town while saying mostly negative things about him, which doesn't say anything about Dice's alignment but leaves me wondering about Random a bit.

@Random can you/did you explain this town vibe?

Ya this pretty much confirms to me theres a Wolf in Sock/Dice/Cass

The only person he really takes issue here is the guy who is like almost confirmed Town Cop.

He's not gonna remove like a quarter of the starting roster from being able to be pushed as ml's imo

What I actually see:

Nudge

Nudge

Nudge

Looking at Pral only for now.

If Zander Villa this looks bad.

If Zander Scum we can't discount light bussing.

Them going hammer and tongs now ITT is a good

Lol

Then why aren't you voting me?

BFG · December 3, 2016

Pral you caught up?

Long back

Can you give an up to date read list and reasons? I know you've updated/re-explained your Cass read, but everyone else?

Zander? · December 3, 2016

Ily Zander

Not a wolf though

As long as you know that I know youre a Wolf its all good

And no matter what i always love you too CassGOATENFPMUSICTWONHYDRAFRAND!!!!!!!

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

Working on post to thrash things out.

Any chance you change your opinion on alignment this game?

Zander? · December 3, 2016

Ummm I dunno she cast doubt at the Cop too so Id say maybe to try to push or at least try to SWING or SEE if the lynch would go another way before getting rid of a teammate comes to mind at least.

Looking confused not hard to fake.

But whats more telling is when youre casing/"evaluating"/making points about me things that easy to type things or Meta Null things you just all go with Scum but with something easy with Cass you go Town.

Geez I wonder why that is!?!?!?!....

lololololol

Why would she do that when Shad himself was lolcatting? If it was to see if the lynch would go the other way, wouldn't the scum be coordinated?

As to the second part, you should ask the same question yourself. A good reason I am finding you scummy is because you are using flimsy null excuses to make me look like I am scum

What hammer him??

Or wait after Shad? If its this all ill say his she sussed and tried to discredit the Town Cop first so....

Response to 2nd part, so basically youre OMGUS sussing me...lolololololol

Darthe · December 3, 2016

darthe im biased on after last game i want him dead at F4 on sheer principle. and to be honest im kinda stuck there

I guess I'll have to get you lynched before F4 then.

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