Hackers Mafia - Game Thread [Game Over]

[Zander?]

I dont agree its bad to vote for the person I find Scummiest over someone I feel better about.

[Pralaya]

 

 

 

 

 

Im not the only one who thinks theres Wolves in there so thoughts on that?!?!?

 

So it seems like you think im a wolf, can you lay out the case on me please?

 

Also would be my partner in that case?

 

And assume for a moment Im confirmed Town somehow, who are the Wolves then iyo and why?

You have basically said scum is in sock/cass/dice and has also said I may have bused Shad. Who is remaining?

 

You do realise that except Darthe and Amega and the other known town, you are calling everyone a scum suspect, right? And, I am casing you and showing where I am thinking you are scum.

 

If you ask me, neither of those 3 are likely to be scum. My thoughts say Zander > Amega > Darthe as the likely scum remaining. I confess though, I haven't read Darthe in detail - this is just from POE based on my town reads

 

Again this feels like a slip but maybe im nitpicking some.

 

 

 

 

Reeeeeeead me.

 

Im super clearable this game. Btw, with all the cass talk, im not complaining but why isnt she on your list?- you havent been around enough to seem to have a good grasp.

I don't participate without catching up and knowing what's happening. So, if I am saying something, it is because I have an understanding of who is what.

 

As to my read on cass, I answered the same question to sooh a couple of posts back.

You got to be kidding me. 42 pages in one day???

 

I doubt i will be able to catch up well this game

Maybe have to ignore Eldrick and read the game ! Don't care what alignment he is, I will let others read him ... too many posts

I am only about 40 pages into the game. Unlikely I will catch up before deadline. Just too many posts.

 

Thoughts so far:

 

Manbat felt townie in that outburst. Don't see him being that emotional as town. So is Nyn.

Zander has looked fine despite his lower than usual posts. Typical as an early Zander game.

 

Eldrick seems aggressive and posting a lot. Some posts stood out - like voting Manbat around the time he was active - which looked a bit opportunistic. And, his going after Darthe when he mentioned that he is not going to read the game. I would say he falls under the category of "too wolfy to be a wolf".

 

Notbob, Darthe and Dice seem null or they are playing like they usually do D1.

 

One person I find odd is Shad. Not about the level of posting but he just looks like drifting through the game. His posts seem too passive and he is commenting on general stuff. That is really odd knowing how he plays. If at this point, I am asked who is scum, I would say Shad.

 

@ Pral need to see a lot out of you between now and DL glgl

 

I'll be back around 8 or 9 est.

It's midnight here, unfortunately. And, I am around 70% caught up.

 

But, right now, my money is on you as scum.

 

 

 

@ Pral need to see a lot out of you between now and DL glgl

 

I'll be back around 8 or 9 est.

It's midnight here, unfortunately. And, I am around 70% caught up.

 

But, right now, my money is on you as scum.

Where is the case/quotes I'm used to seeing come along with your scum read?

Once I am fully caught up. If I am still alive.

 

ummmmm come again?!!?!?!?!

 

 

1) Zander is scum desperate to throw dirt but only able to come up with flimsy stuff

2) Or he has a big confirmation bias and trying to justify his read however possible

 

Which one are you?

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

Im not the only one who thinks theres Wolves in there so thoughts on that?!?!?

 

So it seems like you think im a wolf, can you lay out the case on me please?

 

Also would be my partner in that case?

 

And assume for a moment Im confirmed Town somehow, who are the Wolves then iyo and why?

You have basically said scum is in sock/cass/dice and has also said I may have bused Shad. Who is remaining?

 

You do realise that except Darthe and Amega and the other known town, you are calling everyone a scum suspect, right? And, I am casing you and showing where I am thinking you are scum.

 

If you ask me, neither of those 3 are likely to be scum. My thoughts say Zander > Amega > Darthe as the likely scum remaining. I confess though, I haven't read Darthe in detail - this is just from POE based on my town reads

 

Again this feels like a slip but maybe im nitpicking some.

 

 

 

Reeeeeeead me.

 

Im super clearable this game. Btw, with all the cass talk, im not complaining but why isnt she on your list?- you havent been around enough to seem to have a good grasp.

I don't participate without catching up and knowing what's happening. So, if I am saying something, it is because I have an understanding of who is what.

 

As to my read on cass, I answered the same question to sooh a couple of posts back.

You got to be kidding me. 42 pages in one day???

 

I doubt i will be able to catch up well this game

Maybe have to ignore Eldrick and read the game ! Don't care what alignment he is, I will let others read him ... too many posts

I am only about 40 pages into the game. Unlikely I will catch up before deadline. Just too many posts.

 

Thoughts so far:

 

Manbat felt townie in that outburst. Don't see him being that emotional as town. So is Nyn.

Zander has looked fine despite his lower than usual posts. Typical as an early Zander game.

 

Eldrick seems aggressive and posting a lot. Some posts stood out - like voting Manbat around the time he was active - which looked a bit opportunistic. And, his going after Darthe when he mentioned that he is not going to read the game. I would say he falls under the category of "too wolfy to be a wolf".

 

Notbob, Darthe and Dice seem null or they are playing like they usually do D1.

 

One person I find odd is Shad. Not about the level of posting but he just looks like drifting through the game. His posts seem too passive and he is commenting on general stuff. That is really odd knowing how he plays. If at this point, I am asked who is scum, I would say Shad.

 

@ Pral need to see a lot out of you between now and DL glgl

 

I'll be back around 8 or 9 est.

It's midnight here, unfortunately. And, I am around 70% caught up.

 

But, right now, my money is on you as scum.

 

 

 

@ Pral need to see a lot out of you between now and DL glgl

 

I'll be back around 8 or 9 est.

It's midnight here, unfortunately. And, I am around 70% caught up.

 

But, right now, my money is on you as scum.

Where is the case/quotes I'm used to seeing come along with your scum read?

Once I am fully caught up. If I am still alive.

 

ummmmm come again?!!?!?!?!

 

 

1) Zander is scum desperate to throw dirt but only able to come up with flimsy stuff

2) Or he has a big confirmation bias and trying to justify his read however possible

 

Which one are you?

 

 

Town who thinks hes right.

[Darthe]

I dont agree its bad to vote for the person I find Scummiest over someone I feel better about.

Sure, that's true, but when you're finding someone less scummy based on faulty reasoning it should be expected that your decision making is scrutinized especially.  

[Pralaya]

Like I have no idea what he is trying to say in that second post.

 

I don't like to give my thoughts until I know what is going on - so that's why I clearly say that the reads are only for stuff till X pages.How is that contradicting?

 

(And some of that had to do with mod prodding and respect for mod)

[Zander?]

 

I dont agree its bad to vote for the person I find Scummiest over someone I feel better about.

Sure, that's true, but when you're finding someone less scummy based on faulty reasoning it should be expected that your decision making is scrutinized especially.  

 

 

If you read my posts Ive given others reasons besides PC

 

Sooh plays more concise as Scum and is more afraid to go out on a limb so to speak.

 

Soohs been out there.

 

Eldrick is loose either way but less loose as Scum. he seems pretty loose here.

 

And theyve been defensive sure but tbf theyve been under heavy attack and Sooh;s prolly been mislynced more then everyone on DM,

 

Theyre both Scummy Townies in general.

 

Im not great at reaading either but I feel way more confident in Cass.

 

Think/look back at TG Cass was stoked here she avoids me like the plague.

 

Where's Cass's paranoia?!??!

 

She didnt even comment on my ISO of her.

 

Im not seeing Town!Cass

 

Even tho her involvement level is good its still lower then normal imo.

[Zander?]

Like I have no idea what he is trying to say in that second post.

 

I don't like to give my thoughts until I know what is going on - so that's why I clearly say that the reads are only for stuff till X pages.How is that contradicting?

 

(And some of that had to do with mod prodding and respect for mod)

 

You said you dont participate unless youre caught, all those posts are you participating while NOT being caught up.

 

Hence I feel youre contradicting yourself.

[Cass]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also - you would never unvote here unless you knew this case was bull.

Don't you dare tell me what I would or wouldn't do.

 

THAT is bull

No it isnt. This game is all about trying to figure out what people would or wouldnt do. Dont act like I am out of line. I'm objectively not.

Well just FYI I'm not backtracking anything here. I believe in my case. Don't try to tell me what I think, because you don't know.

So no response to when I laid out how the code you have an issue with comes from your post?

 

It can't.

 

This forum doesn't use html in posts.

 

 

 

I dont think Scum!Sooh would try to push something like that

 

Why not?

 

 

Sooh, why didn't you try quoting it yourself?

 

 

 

 

 

 

From possibly the QT we know your in with your Hydra partner.

Nice try. It doesn't translate to here. Look at the post Zander quoted from BFG.

 

 

 

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote' data-author="Sooh" data-cid="3732601" data-time="1480543471">Sooh, on 30 Nov 2016 - 5:04 PM, said:<p>Ok g'night  Be lovely to each other

 

 

 

Ok g'night 

 

Be lovely to each other <3

 

test

 

 

 

 

^^^That is what you get if you quote Sooh's post and then hit more reply options to view before posting.

 

That blockquote stuff is in your post.

What browser and equipment are you using?

 

 

 

 

Like seriously, if nobody can recreate this, and you can't explain it so that it happens again, I'm not buying your explanation for how it happened.

I just posted it twice.

 

 

 

 

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote' data-author="Sooh" data-cid="3732601" data-time="1480543471">Sooh, on 30 Nov 2016 - 5:04 PM, said:<p>Ok g'night  Be lovely to each other

Another problem is if this is from my post, where are the rest of the tags? if this was in my post without closing the tags, all that jibberjabber would be in the original post.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Like seriously, if nobody can recreate this, and you can't explain it so that it happens again, I'm not buying your explanation for how it happened.

I just posted it twice.

Yeah, that's not the same as somebody else recreating it.

Yea obv - But I cant make someone else do that.

 

Look, if somebody proves to me that it's possible, I'll drop it immediately. I just don't think it's possible without a QT being involved, and I didn't copy and paste a goodnight message from my QT into the thread.

 

 

 

 

& Sometimes people dont know what they are talking about and angleshoot anyway.

I don't know why my push bothers you so much. clearly nobody else believes me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't have to POST it to TRY it.

 

 

EVERYBODY WITH A PHONE

 

DO WHAT CALDER SAID

 

GO BACK TO PAGE 87

 

Click on Sooh's Quote. Click more reply options. See what comes up.

 

 

What came up for me was exactly what Calder had posted.

 

If more people can corroborate this, I believe we have # 2 wolf.

 

Why, if she's Town trying to figure Calder out, does she insist on talking about QTs instead of trying what Calder did ITT and THEN giving her results/encouraging others to try?

[Pralaya]

 

 

 

 

Ok, Shad ISO finished.

 

I can definitely see a world where he's scum.

 

[v]Shad[/v]

Scummy AF Hammer

Vote Count 2.05

 

Shad (5) - Zander, Random, Darthe, Marsh, Cass

 

Not voting: Pralaya, Sock, Amega, Shad,

 

6 to lynch

 

added cass myself

 

Pral also sussed Shad out of the gate d1 but never votes him?!?!!?

 

Shad/Cass/Pral imo

Another example.

 

Answer to this can be quite easily determined. Like I suspected shad but didnt vote him because obviously I was never fully caught up.

 

This is why I am saying zander is reaching in his cases. Same is what I feel what he is saying about manbat/ cass

[Darthe]

If cass is a wolf she is fooling the crap out of me.  I just don't see it, not from what I remember of her.

[Zander?]

If cass is a wolf she is fooling the crap out of me.  I just don't see it, not from what I remember of her.

 

 ISO her in Tarmon Gaidin imo

[Cass]

 

 

I dont agree its bad to vote for the person I find Scummiest over someone I feel better about.

Sure, that's true, but when you're finding someone less scummy based on faulty reasoning it should be expected that your decision making is scrutinized especially.  

 

 

If you read my posts Ive given others reasons besides PC

 

Sooh plays more concise as Scum and is more afraid to go out on a limb so to speak.

 

Soohs been out there.

 

Eldrick is loose either way but less loose as Scum. he seems pretty loose here.

 

And theyve been defensive sure but tbf theyve been under heavy attack and Sooh;s prolly been mislynced more then everyone on DM,

 

Theyre both Scummy Townies in general.

 

Im not great at reaading either but I feel way more confident in Cass.

 

Think/look back at TG Cass was stoked here she avoids me like the plague.

 

Where's Cass's paranoia?!??!

 

She didnt even comment on my ISO of her.

 

Im not seeing Town!Cass

 

Even tho her involvement level is good its still lower then normal imo.

 

 

ZANDER

 

I AM TOWN

 

I HAVE PARANOIA

[Cass]

 

If cass is a wolf she is fooling the crap out of me.  I just don't see it, not from what I remember of her.

 

 ISO her in Tarmon Gaidin imo

 

THIS IS NOT TARMON GAIDIN

 

I AM NOT HYDRAD WITH YOU

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

Ok, Shad ISO finished.

 

I can definitely see a world where he's scum.

 

[v]Shad[/v]

Scummy AF Hammer

Vote Count 2.05

 

Shad (5) - Zander, Random, Darthe, Marsh, Cass

 

Not voting: Pralaya, Sock, Amega, Shad,

 

6 to lynch

 

added cass myself

 

Pral also sussed Shad out of the gate d1 but never votes him?!?!!?

 

Shad/Cass/Pral imo

Another example.

 

Answer to this can be quite easily determined. Like I suspected shad but didnt vote him because obviously I was never fully caught up.

 

This is why I am saying zander is reaching in his cases. Same is what I feel what he is saying about manbat/ cass

 

 

lol

 

 

 

 

 

Ok, Shad ISO finished.

 

I can definitely see a world where he's scum.

 

[v]Shad[/v]

Scummy AF Hammer

Vote Count 2.05

 

Shad (5) - Zander, Random, Darthe, Marsh, Cass

 

Not voting: Pralaya, Sock, Amega, Shad,

 

6 to lynch

 

added cass myself

 

Pral also sussed Shad out of the gate d1 but never votes him?!?!!?

 

Shad/Cass/Pral imo

Another example.

 

Answer to this can be quite easily determined. Like I suspected shad but didnt vote him because obviously I was never fully caught up.

 

This is why I am saying zander is reaching in his cases. Same is what I feel what he is saying about manbat/ cass

 

 

Im not reaching WHAT I SAID WAS TRUE

[Zander?]

 

 

If cass is a wolf she is fooling the crap out of me.  I just don't see it, not from what I remember of her.

 

 ISO her in Tarmon Gaidin imo

 

THIS IS NOT TARMON GAIDIN

 

I AM NOT HYDRAD WITH YOU

 

 

its your tone, your posts, your paranoia.

 

I have a hard time thinking Town!Cass avoids me as much as you did.

 

People are bringing up points/questipnsfor you dont answer at all or need to be prompted to.

 

You havent given any really solid reads.dug in or shown REAL paranoia imo

 

Plus I dont think Monstr looked great either

 

All this makes me think your slot is most likely Scum

[Cass]

 

 

 

 

 

Im not the only one who thinks theres Wolves in there so thoughts on that?!?!?

 

So it seems like you think im a wolf, can you lay out the case on me please?

 

Also would be my partner in that case?

 

And assume for a moment Im confirmed Town somehow, who are the Wolves then iyo and why?

You have basically said scum is in sock/cass/dice and has also said I may have bused Shad. Who is remaining?

 

You do realise that except Darthe and Amega and the other known town, you are calling everyone a scum suspect, right? And, I am casing you and showing where I am thinking you are scum.

 

If you ask me, neither of those 3 are likely to be scum. My thoughts say Zander > Amega > Darthe as the likely scum remaining. I confess though, I haven't read Darthe in detail - this is just from POE based on my town reads

 

Again this feels like a slip but maybe im nitpicking some.

 

 

 

Reeeeeeead me.

 

Im super clearable this game. Btw, with all the cass talk, im not complaining but why isnt she on your list?- you havent been around enough to seem to have a good grasp.

I don't participate without catching up and knowing what's happening. So, if I am saying something, it is because I have an understanding of who is what.

 

As to my read on cass, I answered the same question to sooh a couple of posts back.

You got to be kidding me. 42 pages in one day???

 

I doubt i will be able to catch up well this game

Maybe have to ignore Eldrick and read the game ! Don't care what alignment he is, I will let others read him ... too many posts

I am only about 40 pages into the game. Unlikely I will catch up before deadline. Just too many posts.

 

Thoughts so far:

 

Manbat felt townie in that outburst. Don't see him being that emotional as town. So is Nyn.

Zander has looked fine despite his lower than usual posts. Typical as an early Zander game.

 

Eldrick seems aggressive and posting a lot. Some posts stood out - like voting Manbat around the time he was active - which looked a bit opportunistic. And, his going after Darthe when he mentioned that he is not going to read the game. I would say he falls under the category of "too wolfy to be a wolf".

 

Notbob, Darthe and Dice seem null or they are playing like they usually do D1.

 

One person I find odd is Shad. Not about the level of posting but he just looks like drifting through the game. His posts seem too passive and he is commenting on general stuff. That is really odd knowing how he plays. If at this point, I am asked who is scum, I would say Shad.

 

@ Pral need to see a lot out of you between now and DL glgl

 

I'll be back around 8 or 9 est.

It's midnight here, unfortunately. And, I am around 70% caught up.

 

But, right now, my money is on you as scum.

 

 

 

@ Pral need to see a lot out of you between now and DL glgl

 

I'll be back around 8 or 9 est.

It's midnight here, unfortunately. And, I am around 70% caught up.

 

But, right now, my money is on you as scum.

Where is the case/quotes I'm used to seeing come along with your scum read?

Once I am fully caught up. If I am still alive.

 

ummmmm come again?!!?!?!?!

 

 

1) Zander is scum desperate to throw dirt but only able to come up with flimsy stuff

2) Or he has a big confirmation bias and trying to justify his read however possible

 

Which one are you?

 

 

I understand Zander's case on both you and me from a Town-Zander perspective

 

My only tinfoil is whether the two of you went hard-bus after Shad got lynched. And him and Shad cooked their change in approach to each other up from the start.

 

 

The bold here isn't helpful to my read of you or him

 

The truth of the matter is

 

1) Zander is Scum throwing dirt or

2) Zander is Town with conf bias

[Zander?]

Pral whats your read on Cass and why?

[Cass]

 

 

 

If cass is a wolf she is fooling the crap out of me.  I just don't see it, not from what I remember of her.

 

 ISO her in Tarmon Gaidin imo

 

THIS IS NOT TARMON GAIDIN

 

I AM NOT HYDRAD WITH YOU

 

 

its your tone, your posts, your paranoia.

 

I have a hard time thinking Town!Cass avoids me as much as you did.

 

People are bringing up points/questipnsfor you dont answer at all or need to be prompted to.

 

You havent given any really solid reads.dug in or shown REAL paranoia imo

 

Plus I dont think Monstr looked great either

 

All this makes me think your slot is most likely Scum

 

 

I understand this one million percent and I am at my wits end. You're either scum or I can see why you think so, and I haven't been able to change it.

 

Real life = paranoia has squashed my ability to play and I kept thinking I'd work my way out of it. This is related to/compounded by resilience being at a general low.

 

I am not going any further into AtE.

 

If you're Town, stop focusing on the stuff above.

 

Stop focusing on me. 

[Pralaya]

Pral whats your read on Cass and why?

Not this again :|

 

Pretty much everyone had asked and I have pointed my response to that around 5 times already

[dicetosser1]

Vig Pral

Track Cass

RB cass

 

explain this to me   the track and rb plz

 

@zander because if they used a strongman, Calder wouldn't have died as BG, I would have

 

i know hes now dead but random for future ref dont make assumptions like this. some scum wouldnt have shot at ANY of you and u cant know who calder guarded

 

 

@zander because if they used a strongman, Calder wouldn't have died as BG, I would have

 

i dont think it works that way but im not sure.

 

 

it does

 

 

I'm updating my reads list given everything that has happened and Dice is gonna hate me, I think.

 

i saw this and assumed darthe getting it wrong. i see im right. can we lynch him now before he throwsd the game away even if he is town?

 

 

HOW DOES ANYONE TOWN NOT HAVE ME AS TOWN?!!?!?!?!?

 

cause uve been scummy

 

 

 

I HATE YOU SHAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In what world is this not outing yourself?

 

It's completely out of nowhere afaict.

 

Love how you refuse to even acknowledge my asking for reads. You clearly don't want to help town.

 

Sooh, any objection to voting her beginning of the day?

 

 

seriouskly?  how is this outing?

[dicetosser1]

@ cass explain this phone thing plz

[BFG]

Ok, breakfast may have to become an actual event as opposed to something that's just eaten lol. Pity the coffee tastes weak though :(

[BFG]

Hi Dice :)

 

What's your current read on Cass/Darthe?

[dicetosser1]

bfg glad ure here

 

wselcome

 

now  whats ur problem with me?

[BFG]

 

 

 

 

 

Darthe can you give a full read on Sooh/Eldrick?

Its my top wolf read. Has been for a while, and I assume youve seen the points I made across the thread if youve read the game. Elseick bumbles his way through the early game, says a bunch of conflicting things and then sooh shows up like the voice of reason, making really safe statements and more talk about reads than actual reads. Theyve not ezactly improved.on that, just gotten quieter on the eldrick front and sooh is responding like she has breathing room. Ill go back and find a play I saw a bit ago to show this.

 

Youve played with Town!Eldrick before right?!!?!?!?

 

I dont know about half of this forum enough to remember their names dude, why would I actively know their meta?

 

 

 

I knew it

 

BFG knew it

 

*shrugs*

 

Darthe doesn't use/remember meta the same way though