[Basic] Pirates of the Caribbean (Curse of the Black Pearl) Game Thread - D2

[Sooh]

Can you tell me about some other posts of Tiinker's that you think are bad, Believer?

[Tiinker]

 

 

 

Tink/believer isn't a bad train set.

 

Believe, you're gonna have to do better than writing a post and saying go read it is bad

I didn't say that though, don't misrepresent me.

 

I said I didn't agree with anything and that his posting looked fake/forced. As does your post.

 

 

Why is it fake/forced?

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98853-basic-pirates-of-the-caribbean-curse-of-the-black-pearl-game-thread-n1/page-57?do=findComment&comment=3714369

 

I think this post summarizes it pretty well.

 

I don't agree with anything Tiinker says here and I don't think he does either. It sounds completely made up.

You could probably fault me for not reading enough this game, but you're literally asking me about something that I made clear on the same page.

 

 

I'm not going to go back and case Zander again. His town play was not evident and only came through somewhat towards the end by which point it definitely was not enough to save him.

[Believer]

Can you tell me about some other posts of Tiinker's that you think are bad, Believer?

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98853-basic-pirates-of-the-caribbean-curse-of-the-black-pearl-game-thread-n1/page-37?do=findComment&comment=3713610

 

This sticks out to me from all the rest.

 

I can't exactly explain why, but this feels really really honest to me. Like "openly wolfing"-honest.

[Believer]

 

 

 

 

Tink/believer isn't a bad train set.

 

Believe, you're gonna have to do better than writing a post and saying go read it is bad

I didn't say that though, don't misrepresent me.

 

I said I didn't agree with anything and that his posting looked fake/forced. As does your post.

 

 

Why is it fake/forced?

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98853-basic-pirates-of-the-caribbean-curse-of-the-black-pearl-game-thread-n1/page-57?do=findComment&comment=3714369

 

I think this post summarizes it pretty well.

 

I don't agree with anything Tiinker says here and I don't think he does either. It sounds completely made up.

You could probably fault me for not reading enough this game, but you're literally asking me about something that I made clear on the same page.

 

 

I'm not going to go back and case Zander again. His town play was not evident and only came through somewhat towards the end by which point it definitely was not enough to save him.

 

It was evident to me, why wasn't it to you?

[Tiinker]

 

 

 

 

 

Tink/believer isn't a bad train set.

 

Believe, you're gonna have to do better than writing a post and saying go read it is bad

I didn't say that though, don't misrepresent me.

 

I said I didn't agree with anything and that his posting looked fake/forced. As does your post.

 

 

Why is it fake/forced?

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98853-basic-pirates-of-the-caribbean-curse-of-the-black-pearl-game-thread-n1/page-57?do=findComment&comment=3714369

 

I think this post summarizes it pretty well.

 

I don't agree with anything Tiinker says here and I don't think he does either. It sounds completely made up.

You could probably fault me for not reading enough this game, but you're literally asking me about something that I made clear on the same page.

 

 

I'm not going to go back and case Zander again. His town play was not evident and only came through somewhat towards the end by which point it definitely was not enough to save him.

 

It was evident to me, why wasn't it to you?

 

 

As someone who's played his past 4/5 games with a hyperactive town Zander this game was not the same. Earlier on his posts were more constructed and he had some reservations that he held back and they came out later in the Day. Not sure why he felt pressured to hold some stuff back maybe it was the early game pressure but it seemed to me that his mentality was different from his posts which made me strongly question his alignment given our previous games. 

[Tiinker]

Explain why it was so evident to you

[Darthe]

That is a stunningly bad point.

[Darthe]

Double ninjad

[Hallia]

Savvy Vote Count

 

Tiinker (3): Besie, Nolder, Believer

Besie (3): manbat, Tiinker, Pral

Believer (2): Darthe, Sooh

 

 

Waiting for the opportune moment (3): dice, Wifi, Nego.

 

 

With 11 players alive, it take 6 to lynch.

 

 

Deadline: 

[Believer]

Explain why it was so evident to you

I saw no difference whatsoever to all the games I've seen Zander play town. It was obvious to me.

[Darthe]

Cingrats, we are all so dumb and you got it.

 

Amazingly though, you're utterly blind to the basic truth that tink is prob town. Guess we all miss the mark somewhere.

[Believer]

Cingrats, we are all so dumb and you got it.

 

Amazingly though, you're utterly blind to the basic truth that tink is prob town. Guess we all miss the mark somewhere.

*shrug*

 

Take offense if you want to, it wasn't meant that way.

[Pralaya]

You've got one very situational and assumption thing against a player that I have a lot of realm to suspect is a townie. I may be wrong but if you can't give more than that then ultimately you're going to come out of this worse than she is.

Uh, what? How is looking at how people vote situational? That is the entire premise of mafia.

 

I'm tired so going to bed but i'm wtl Calder, Darthe, Nolder.

 

For now [v]Calder[/v].

 

I gave several reasons in the past posts.

 

Never lynching Nego.

Slight town Zander/Sooh/Believer/Pral

Slight scum Monstrman/Tiink/Dice

 

Of these the biggest change is Monstrman. Most reasons are given.

This is the vote I am talking about that set up the Calder lynch. It was around this time Zander too started suspecting calder scum and this looks quite opportunistic given that context.

 

Other than slight nudges ("several reasons"), she never had Calder in her hard scum range before this. Even if it was, it was because of "his association with you that she found him uncomfortable".

 

What do you think of that? Of all the votes, do you think this came from town?

[Guest]

Nego has a style where he floats under the radar

 

Usually as a villager Ive seen more from him by now, but I also don't really know what his wolf game looks like and he was in three games at once

 

What? I don't float under the radar normally. I'm usually the top poster on my VS and within the top 3 or 4 on MU.

Usually I'm way more active as either alignment, especially lately. Let me link you to some of my town and wolf games even though I know it's probably not going to help you much.

 

Haunted Mansion - TOWN. Darthe, Sooh, and Monstr were also playing.

BYOR XXI - SCUM. Rolemadness though.

Mentor 2.0 - SCUM. Cory and Clov were our mentors.

CYORN 28 - SCUM. Sooh was playing this but I have a hunch she'd like to forget it. Sadly the activity levels were really low.

Championship Game 8 - TOWN. This one I'm really pleased with myself.

Championship Wildcard game - TOWN. This one went badly for me though as I had to out myself as the IC on D1 and thus I took a more of an observer role.

Pokemon GO - SCUM.

 

So yeah, just looking at the post counts you should see I'm not a coaster as either faction and a look at my ISO's in each of those games should also prove that I post content no matter which faction I roll into.

 

 

I apologise for my low activity. I'm playing multiple games at the same time (right now two games) and I've been busy with work. Thankfully today was the last day of this sub gig so I should be more active from here on out.

[Darthe]

If the premise of mafia was measuring votes then mafia would be mechanically solveable.

 

This whole thing looks unnustified

[Darthe]

Unjustified

[Pralaya]

If the premise of mafia was measuring votes then mafia would be mechanically solveable.

 

This whole thing looks unnustified

Come on, it is not as simple as that. You and I both know that. It is not about the number of votes but when and why the votes were placed. That's what I look at.

 

Of course, am I 100% sure that it is correct? No. Just like are you 100% sure that manbat or besie is town? No. It is just what you think they are and what you are confident with. This is the same way.

 

Every one has a different method of trying to find out. I am not a good meta reader nor do I know meta of a lot of people in this game. But, I am definitely confident that I am on the right track.

[Darthe]

I wouldnt.value the d1 wagon enough to give it 5% confidence in a read laya.

 

Thats how confident I am that its not worthy of sus here.

[dicetosser1]

 

 

BlomBesie and manbat are definitely not on the same team because in a game this empty they just wouldn’t put so much effort into distancing. 

 

The Zander train was legit imo despite what people are saying. I think that his game wasn’t too representative of his previous town games. He was playing more cautiously and I’d definitely say he was more careful about what he was saying towards other people when I’ve seen him go absolutely nuts when he thought he was in the right (see Overwatch, Tarmon Gaidan for a rep).

Once he put his focus in here after the Tarmon Gaidon game ended, he was more or less the way Zander always played. It frankly wasn't too different. Don't see why you would want to dismiss his train like that.

 

 

Zander had painted himself as scummy before then and I can totally understand people not being swayed purely off of "meta" at that point. It wouldn't have deterred me anyway and the other factor is that the counter attempt was to lynch another town.

 

 

ummmm wha???  if mafia is already lynching Town why would they run a counter train to lynch town?

 

I deleted a bunch of the quotes in your post because "error too many quotes". 

 

 

Okay, let's do this then.

 

Here's my post.

 

 

 

When looking at the bolded purple: The latter, being that you wanted to interact first, is evident in you telling Dice that he needs to interact with you first, before deciding on whether you are scum. That means you prefer finding scum by talking to them, right? If you want people to do that to you, then we can expect that from you as well - if we go at this logically.

The former, being that you can find people's alignments by seeing their interaction with others, is then what you have been doing further in the game - since you weren't terribly active yourself. Facts, as I see it.

 

So yes. We are playing the same game. 

 

[v]Tiinker[/v]

 

 

This is just no. I didn't want him to interact with me first. I had barely touched the game and he was making a nonsense statement by calling me out for admitting I was wrong and when I pointed out if the alternatives of continuing my vote on Zander after being explicitly shown proof that my reasoning was wrong OR coming up with some convoluted reason as to why I was right were both way worse he simply ignored me. He just tried to put me in a lose-lose situation which if town was incredibly lazy, but imo more likely to be scum given how aggressively he pursued it.

 

Do you have some sort of logical chart that you're following with a bunch of if/else statements because I feel like you've stripped all these things from their contexts just to try and make them fit your argument.

 

Actually you DID whinge that i was sussing you and hadn't even spoken to you so I can see where besie gets that from

 

As for ignoring you   im not here to coach u. 

 

And i tried to put you in a lose lose sitch how exactly??  I didnt even VOTE you. Thats how AGGRESSIVE i was. And if you think that was me being agressive you are  very VERY wrong. I said you and believer were my WTL but i never voted you.

 

Yet you lost youre mind when i simply FOSd you. which you kinda did again at besie before she voted you. Thats really my biggest thing against you over all   you seem overly paranoid to even a little bit of suspicion. Youre pretty much omgusing me minus voting because im sus of you. You dont seem to have any reasons for sussing me other then that i sussed you.

[Pralaya]

I wouldnt.value the d1 wagon enough to give it 5% confidence in a read laya.

 

Thats how confident I am that its not worthy of sus here.

Why are you so confident besie is town?

[Darthe]

The string of times early today only come from a really particular wolf, and I just dont think besie is that sort of player. So, in est, for me her posts are incompatible with what I think her wolf game looks like.

[Tiinker]

 

 

 

BlomBesie and manbat are definitely not on the same team because in a game this empty they just wouldn’t put so much effort into distancing.

 

The Zander train was legit imo despite what people are saying. I think that his game wasn’t too representative of his previous town games. He was playing more cautiously and I’d definitely say he was more careful about what he was saying towards other people when I’ve seen him go absolutely nuts when he thought he was in the right (see Overwatch, Tarmon Gaidan for a rep).

Once he put his focus in here after the Tarmon Gaidon game ended, he was more or less the way Zander always played. It frankly wasn't too different. Don't see why you would want to dismiss his train like that.

Zander had painted himself as scummy before then and I can totally understand people not being swayed purely off of "meta" at that point. It wouldn't have deterred me anyway and the other factor is that the counter attempt was to lynch another town.

ummmm wha??? if mafia is already lynching Town why would they run a counter train to lynch town?

I deleted a bunch of the quotes in your post because "error too many quotes".

 

 

Okay, let's do this then.

 

Here's my post.

 

 

 

When looking at the bolded purple: The latter, being that you wanted to interact first, is evident in you telling Dice that he needs to interact with you first, before deciding on whether you are scum. That means you prefer finding scum by talking to them, right? If you want people to do that to you, then we can expect that from you as well - if we go at this logically.

The former, being that you can find people's alignments by seeing their interaction with others, is then what you have been doing further in the game - since you weren't terribly active yourself. Facts, as I see it.

 

So yes. We are playing the same game.

 

[v]Tiinker[/v]

 

This is just no. I didn't want him to interact with me first. I had barely touched the game and he was making a nonsense statement by calling me out for admitting I was wrong and when I pointed out if the alternatives of continuing my vote on Zander after being explicitly shown proof that my reasoning was wrong OR coming up with some convoluted reason as to why I was right were both way worse he simply ignored me. He just tried to put me in a lose-lose situation which if town was incredibly lazy, but imo more likely to be scum given how aggressively he pursued it.

 

Do you have some sort of logical chart that you're following with a bunch of if/else statements because I feel like you've stripped all these things from their contexts just to try and make them fit your argument.

Actually you DID whinge that i was sussing you and hadn't even spoken to you so I can see where besie gets that from

 

As for ignoring you im not here to coach u.

 

And i tried to put you in a lose lose sitch how exactly?? I didnt even VOTE you. Thats how AGGRESSIVE i was. And if you think that was me being agressive you are very VERY wrong. I said you and believer were my WTL but i never voted you.

 

Yet you lost youre mind when i simply FOSd you. which you kinda did again at besie before she voted you. Thats really my biggest thing against you over all you seem overly paranoid to even a little bit of suspicion. Youre pretty much omgusing me minus voting because im sus of you. You dont seem to have any reasons for sussing me other then that i sussed you.

Lol at coaching. I asked you to explain a fairly nonsensical statement you made and you didn't. You pretending it's my paranoia is jokes Everything else here has already been addressed.

[Wildfire Sedai]

The Bold are new reads.

 

1. Zander - Lt. Gillette - Lynched D1

2. Darthe- null - slightly scummy - first off I wanna start by saying that since I've subbed in as scum with him, I ALWAYS (if you can count 2 games as always) see him as wolfy rotb. That being said, darthe hounded zander all d1.  he never let up on him.  which I guess could be a townie in a tunnel.  However, zander was showing some townieness before the lynch happened....I think a good RL day before.  Darthe knows zander very well.  If darthe is a townie I do not understand how he could not see zanders townieness.  I mean if I could, I believe darthe definitely could.

 

3. Dice - null -  townie - I like the fact that he wasn't going to vote zander and that he is asking the same questions I am asking about roles in a basic game.

 

4. Monstr - null - scummy - I don't know where to start.  However, I believe I have pointed out some of his posts in catch up that I thought were scummy if not, I am sorry.  Anyway, the most damning of evidence is his EoD voting.  I don't see how he could have voted within the same MINUTE without having it set up with open tabs ahead of time, taking into account how slow DM is on reloading.  Am going to do my own experiments to see the validity of his points. To see how fast it can be done in one window.  

 

5. Hellian Wildfire - TOWN QUEENIE

6. Kat/Pral - null - slightly townie - I like pral's posts so far.  Kat has just started to post so will let her do her thing.  I commented on the posts of pral's that I like so will leave it at that.

 

7. Besie - null -townie - I read almost all of her ISO and she was under fire a lot and explained herself out of it very well.  She has kept her cool.  

 

8. Nego - null - townie - I really like how he put himself out there and made, "dangerous" posts to get the game rolling. Voting believer for his, IC post, and besie for her, "interesting" post, then his "wolfy" reaction to calder.  

 

9. Sooh - null - slightly townie- I ISO'd her and changed my mind. She seemed to be really trying to solve the game.  Our reads list don't match but when do mine ever match with anybodies.

 

10. Believer - null - scummy - normally I would say town because he didn't want to lynch zander and zander was town. However, Believer said that zander was town for a FACT...I mean the way he said it left no doubts.  He knew and this was BEFORE THE FLIP.  I think only a wolf can be that certain.

 

11. Tiinklove - null - slight townie - He started off the game slow but then digged in.  He came under fire from besie and calder, and handled it well.IMO.

 

12. Calder- Town Doc - Killed N1

 

13. Nolder - scummy - I think his tracker claim is fake and that he would only make a claim like that if he was scum trying to get townie points.

 

I realize I have more scummy than are in the game but it is only D2.

 

DISCLAIMER:  this is my reads list. It WILL CHANGE.  It may have already changed.  It will change according to my emotions and whims.  It just does.  

[monstrman]

There's no way

 

Also I'm experimenting with keeping my mouth closed for a bit to see what happens with this vote count

 

I'll post thoughts when I have them

 

Glgl

[monstrman]

Everything I've expressed in the thread remains an expression of the most current things I've expressed in the thread caveats aside