Tarmon Gaidon [Advanced Mafia] Game Over

[Zander?]

I pretty much just policy lynch AJ if he's in the game.. it doesn't matter what he does... >.> 

 

 

I kid I kid... kinda. Though I've joked about policy lynching him in almost every game since the one that we wolfed together in.. and every game I didn't.. and every game he was scum lololololol

 

 

Ok so as far as reads. I'm not gonna quote the whole list, so if I leave someone off they're Null, cause I"m lazy and busy. 

 

 

Zass (Zander/Cass) - It's hard for me to imagine Zander as anything but town from his play so far. Of course that could just be because I wanna sheep him *shrugs* 

 

Hallia - I want to see more from. She does seem towny from what she's posted, but I know from experience she's good at appearing towny d1 as scum. So Town lean but that's about it. 

 

WIfi - seems her usual self. This is reassuring after the last game she came in and at first didn't know how to act, which for me was a bigger give away than most took it as. Most likely she's town here. Though the last game could have just taught her how to fake it better lol 

 

And it goes downhill from here lol. 

 

Darthe I'm just not sure about. I always have a hard time reading him though, mostly I think because he's slightly..... abrasive? That word will work.. *shrugs* 

 

Shad - Seems slightly defensive, but I've seen him do that as town so idk. It'd be an easy thing to do as scum to though so he's mostly null. 

 

Nolder - meh. He came in seemed to pick a bit of a fight and then said he was gonna put someone on ignore and I haven't seen a lot more out of him. Maybe he accidentally put the whole thread on ignore?? lol idk. 

 

Marsh - I don't think i'll ever be able to read him on D1. Or maybe ever... Both games I've played with him he's looked fairly similar and seemed scum, but last game I know he was town so maybe i'm just reading him wrong. 

 

Hellian - I don't know. He's new so I don't know how to take him yet. I'm currently reserving judgement because I think some of his stuff that "seems" scummy could just be from him being new and not knowing people and not knowing how to take different people, but could come from scum. 

 

 

 

Who else is in this game? I just went totally blank. 

 

 

And I missed like 4 people so I pulled the list after all cause some of these people I just didn't remember was even here... Like Pral or John Snow. 

 

1. Tiinker -  He played a mean mafia game so I'm kinda hesitant to give him any kind of town lean until I feel much mo betta about him. I should have remembered he was in the game though... I blame just eating lunch and only getting about 3 hours of sleep lol

2. Nolder

3. Kat - lock town

4. Dice - seems very diceish. I'd say probably town lean. 

5. WiFi

6. Hallia

7. John Snow - I had forgotten he was here. 

8. Darthe

9. Zander/Cass

10. Pral - I can't even remember when he posted... and I don't care enough to go back and find it. 

11. Hellian

12. Believer - Don't really know how to take him. He was very..... carefree last game but I don't think that's his normal game. I think he had a IDC attitude because he could be mod cleared at any time. He has been very absent from thread, but he did explain and I"m willing to give more time. 

13. Ironeyes

14. Shad

 

Everyone else I think I covered in the other one. 

 

Looking back it this I honestly feel my D1 Villa comment was bad.

 

Im gonna dig in a little deeper here and see if I change my mind.

[Zander?]

OK So just kinda want everyone to follow along here.

 

This is going on after I start pushing towards a Hellian lynch.

 

 

What happened to Pral???

 

 

 

What happened to Pral???

Kinda wondering this myself... 

 

 

 

OK like serious question to everyone:

 

Can you name or show me like one villagery thing from Hellian?

 

 

Do I actually have to ISO on D1 to look at that??? >.> 

 

 

Since it's zander... yes I did... And nothing particularly towny no... *shrugs* but I don't see anything that yells scum either. I DID see what he was talking about where you quoted a hallia post and said it was him. But it was one time, so I don't get the "he keeps doing it repeatedly" vibe he's getting off but I think that could be from frustration. But it could be scum angry because he thinks you're on to him. It's D1... I hate it. It makes me unhappy and slightly indecisive. 

 

 

 

Do I actually have to ISO on D1 to look at that??? >.> 

 

 

Since it's zander... yes I did... And nothing particularly towny no... *shrugs* but I don't see anything that yells scum either. I DID see what he was talking about where you quoted a hallia post and said it was him. But it was one time, so I don't get the "he keeps doing it repeatedly" vibe he's getting off but I think that could be from frustration. But it could be scum angry because he thinks you're on to him. It's D1... I hate it. It makes me unhappy and slightly indecisive. 

I'm seeing what Z means about shading though. And I don't like it any more than he does. 

 

 

I quoted this for 2 reasons:

 

1) Makes me feel even better about Iron.

2) Kat says IM TUNNELING Hellion, yet others are pointing things out.

 

Anyone yet find a reason Hellian is a villager?

 

Anyone have a better suggestion?

 

 

 

Anyone yet find a reason Hellian is a villager?

Anyone have a better suggestion?

It's not that I have a better suggestion it's that I have a problem with approaching trying to solve a game from the perspective of " how do we not lose". Bad reason to push a lynch. I'd prefer dice tbh

 

 

 

Zander do you realize that Pral has only 8 posts... 

 

 

Kat pushing a lynch on a pretty much an inactive Pral atp over Hellion, who she thinks is Scummy.

 

I also will have to double check but I dont think she mentions him previously to me calling him out but Ill have to confirm this.

 

Darthe wants to lynch Dice over Scum for #lolderfraisins???

 

I feel pretty strongly there is at least one Wolf in this whole exchange and its not me or Iron.

[Zander?]

 

 

what was the one I played with AJ and we were scum? It was the one with 2 scum teams. I'm drawing a blank...

Eldrick's game. I'll give it a peek later, maybe.

 

But basically no standard build where you were wolf from the start of the game. Meh, oh well.

 

I'm not a good wolf... And I hates it... town is much more fun lolololol

 

 

You may think this sounds stupid but, would you say based on activity and WIM ALONE...NO EVEN counting content that shes having fun???

 

I pretty much just policy lynch AJ if he's in the game.. it doesn't matter what he does... >.> 

 

 

I kid I kid... kinda. Though I've joked about policy lynching him in almost every game since the one that we wolfed together in.. and every game I didn't.. and every game he was scum lololololol

 

 

Ok so as far as reads. I'm not gonna quote the whole list, so if I leave someone off they're Null, cause I"m lazy and busy. 

 

 

Zass (Zander/Cass) - It's hard for me to imagine Zander as anything but town from his play so far. Of course that could just be because I wanna sheep him *shrugs* 

 

 

Wants to sheep the Zander.

 

 

 

 

 

CFD onto Dice while he's sleeping still an open offer.....

 

Would it make you feel any better if I claimed JOAT and had a red peek on him?

 

A JoaT with a N0 action? lmao

 

 

Its totally true tho......

 

I'll sheep you Zander

 

 

Wants to sheep the Zander.  ( I know its about a joke but the her always wanting to sheep Town Zander point is still here.

 

 

 

 

you decide

 

False

 

 

 

 

CFD onto Dice while he's sleeping still an open offer.....

 

Would it make you feel any better if I claimed JOAT and had a red peek on him?

 

A JoaT with a N0 action? lmao

 

 

Its totally true tho......

 

I'll sheep you Zander

 

 

Wolfy AF

 

is not... I sheep you all the time... and It would only be wolfy if I actually did it. lololololol

 

 

Wants to sheep the Zander

 

 

 

 

IDK I'm more willing to give the new guy a pass and see if he cleans up then someone that just doesn't seem invested at all.

 

I mean I hate D1 but I still try to put SOME effort into it. Not putting any effort into ANY day is just not very pro-town... I"m kinda wanting to vote Believer... 

 

This does not sound like sheeping Zander.

 

well... I'm not 100% sure I agree with zander... so I may not sheep him immediately :P I think you're town. That doesn't mean you're right lol

 

 

Wait she doesnt agree with the Zander so wont sheep him YET.

 

 

 

 

honestly my gut is saying [v]Believer[/v] right now. Though I don't know. It is bothering me that Hallian hasn't showed up today AT ALL 

 

Hellian flips Scum Kats Wolf Equity rises imo.

 

 

Then I make this comment:

 

NOW REMEMBER WHEN I QUOTED JOHN SNOW QUOTING THIS POST WITH HIS "MHM" RESPONSE?

 

AND I WAS LIKE PEOPLE TALK TO ME ABOUT IT.

 

 

 

honestly my gut is saying [v]Believer[/v] right now. Though I don't know. It is bothering me that Hallian hasn't showed up today AT ALL 

 

Hellian flips Scum Kats Wolf Equity rises imo.

 

would it really help  my town equity to vote him now?? he's already lynched as it is. Right now the easiest thing for me to do as mafia would be to bus if he's scum. It would fit me in every way. I'd be sheeping you (as expected) and putting my vote on a wolf, if he's scum. But then darthe will say "the last 3 people on there are possibly scum because he was already dead" blah blah blah blah. 

 

And honestly I just feel worse about believer. I am not going to vote against what I believe. 

 

 

Now shes worried about voting a later confirmed Wolf because Derf's gonna say things???

 

 

 

 

 

honestly my gut is saying [v]Believer[/v] right now. Though I don't know. It is bothering me that Hallian hasn't showed up today AT ALL

 

Hellian flips Scum Kats Wolf Equity rises imo.

lololol I actually feel the same as Kat :p

 

 

That's not it. I think believer looks worse than Hellian, which is why I'm voting there. 

 

 The tone of that post is what bugs me.

 

you can't hear my tone... you can imagine what my tone is, but i don't know what you're imagining. the only tone there is resignation. 

 

And this coming from someone that everyone has posted as scummy... Throwing shade much? 

 

 

When I told you to remember the JOhn SNow quote above:

 

This is 20 mins before DL and its ALMOST a foregone conclusion that Hellions getting lynched

 

This little back and forth is distancing big time imo.

 

 

TLDR

 

Kats a Wolf and she needs to get Lunched imo.

[Ironeyes]

OK So just kinda want everyone to follow along here.

 

This is going on after I start pushing towards a Hellian lynch.

 

 

What happened to Pral???

 

 

 

What happened to Pral???

Kinda wondering this myself... 

 

 

 

OK like serious question to everyone:

 

Can you name or show me like one villagery thing from Hellian?

 

 

Do I actually have to ISO on D1 to look at that??? >.> 

 

 

Since it's zander... yes I did... And nothing particularly towny no... *shrugs* but I don't see anything that yells scum either. I DID see what he was talking about where you quoted a hallia post and said it was him. But it was one time, so I don't get the "he keeps doing it repeatedly" vibe he's getting off but I think that could be from frustration. But it could be scum angry because he thinks you're on to him. It's D1... I hate it. It makes me unhappy and slightly indecisive. 

 

 

 

Do I actually have to ISO on D1 to look at that??? >.> 

 

 

Since it's zander... yes I did... And nothing particularly towny no... *shrugs* but I don't see anything that yells scum either. I DID see what he was talking about where you quoted a hallia post and said it was him. But it was one time, so I don't get the "he keeps doing it repeatedly" vibe he's getting off but I think that could be from frustration. But it could be scum angry because he thinks you're on to him. It's D1... I hate it. It makes me unhappy and slightly indecisive. 

I'm seeing what Z means about shading though. And I don't like it any more than he does. 

 

 

I quoted this for 2 reasons:

 

1) Makes me feel even better about Iron.

2) Kat says IM TUNNELING Hellion, yet others are pointing things out.

 

Anyone yet find a reason Hellian is a villager?

 

Anyone have a better suggestion?

 

 

 

Anyone yet find a reason Hellian is a villager?

 

Anyone have a better suggestion?

It's not that I have a better suggestion it's that I have a problem with approaching trying to solve a game from the perspective of " how do we not lose". Bad reason to push a lynch. I'd prefer dice tbh

 

 

 

Zander do you realize that Pral has only 8 posts... 

 

 

Kat pushing a lynch on a pretty much an inactive Pral atp over Hellion, who she thinks is Scummy.

 

I also will have to double check but I dont think she mentions him previously to me calling him out but Ill have to confirm this.

 

Darthe wants to lynch Dice over Scum for #lolderfraisins???

 

I feel pretty strongly there is at least one Wolf in this whole exchange and its not me or Iron.

Overall in that set of posts Kat comes out looking worse than Darthe imo. I still don't have a clue why he wanted to lynch Dice tbh but Kat appears to be actively throwing red herrings at us. Especially the part about Pral. 

[Zander?]

[Ironeyes]

Is it me or did this game get really low energy when shad left? Or is it the weekend. Ironically Saturday is my best day to post but Sunday I don't post at all. 

[Zander?]

Is it me or did this game get really low energy when shad left? Or is it the weekend. Ironically Saturday is my best day to post but Sunday I don't post at all. 

 

Im on PC and cant let loose.

 

sadface.gif

[Ironeyes]

For the sake of everyone who isn't here we shouldn't spam up the thread. 

 

Shouldnt...

 

spam...

 

must

 

not

 

 

 

spam...

[Hallia]

They're distracting me fwiw

[BFG]

D2 Votecount

 

 

Kat (2): Pral, Zass

 

Believer (2): Dice, Darthe

 

Darthe (2): Believer, Hallia

 

Hallia (1): WiFi

 

Not Voting (4): Ironeyes, Katiora, Shad_, Tiinker

 

 

You have until phase change to decide where to stay the night

[Wildfire Sedai]

Okay here is what I was going to do earlier *sigh*

 

 

 

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WOOO

I WAS RIGHT ABOUT JS

So was I, worst OMGUS ever.

 

I'm awesome without even writing anything.

 

 

Okay...so not so humble

 

Believer
Dice
Shad
WiFi
Zass

 

These are the ones that were in the stedding that lived through the night. One of these (at least) are scum.

 

At least he included himself in here.

 

[v]Katiora[/v]

 

 

There were scum in the Stedding, the kill on Nolder confirms this.

 

My top are dice and WiFi. Gonna research more into this.

 

This has already been dealt with or has it??? I mean can wolves kill across threads...Nolder was killed and there doesn't seem to have been a wolf in the stedding...we shall wait and see...

 

 

 

Believer
Dice
Shad
WiFi
Zass

 

These are the ones that were in the stedding that lived through the night. One of these (at least) are scum.

 

 

right  so im not scum

 

no WAY Zass is scum. 

 

wifi   nope  not scum i dont think  and thats probably more gameplay then what she said in qt really   shes right on her meta

 

shad   he never makes that kill  restate  he only makes that kill as a /MAJOR gambit and its one that cant work for him cause if he makes endgame he should be autolynch. 

 

 

for me that leaves Believer

 

 

[v]Katiora[/v]

 

 

There were scum in the Stedding, the kill on Nolder confirms this.

 

My top are dice and WiFi. Gonna research more into this.

 

explain the red please?

 

I don't want to call BaM so I'm gonna assume a hidden agenda here.

 

 

The red explained:

 

What we know 1: We have two separate night locations.

What we know 2: Players in one of them cannot target players in the other for night actions.

What we know 3: Scum died in T'A'R.

What we know 4: Town died in the Stedding.

 

What we can infer 1: Scum died from a town PR (Ironeyes claimed vig shot)

What we can infer 2: Town does not have 2 vigs, it would be too powerful.

What we can infer 3: Town in the Stedding died from scum.

 

Conclusion: At least one scum was in the Stedding and killed Nolder.

 

 

Bear with me people...I know we already believe that mafia can make a kill over both threads but believer said that he made a strong case...so I am playing DA.

 

 

 

 

 

Believer
Dice
Shad
WiFi
Zass

 

These are the ones that were in the stedding that lived through the night. One of these (at least) are scum.

 

 

right  so im not scum

 

no WAY Zass is scum. 

 

wifi   nope  not scum i dont think  and thats probably more gameplay then what she said in qt really   shes right on her meta

 

shad   he never makes that kill  restate  he only makes that kill as a /MAJOR gambit and its one that cant work for him cause if he makes endgame he should be autolynch. 

 

 

for me that leaves Believer

 

 

[v]Katiora[/v]

 

 

There were scum in the Stedding, the kill on Nolder confirms this.

 

My top are dice and WiFi. Gonna research more into this.

 

explain the red please?

 

I don't want to call BaM so I'm gonna assume a hidden agenda here.

 

 

The red explained:

 

What we know 1: We have two separate night locations.

What we know 2: Players in one of them cannot target players in the other for night actions.

What we know 3: Scum died in T'A'R.

What we know 4: Town died in the Stedding.

 

What we can infer 1: Scum died from a town PR (Ironeyes claimed vig shot)

What we can infer 2: Town does not have 2 vigs, it would be too powerful.

What we can infer 3: Town in the Stedding died from scum.

 

Conclusion: At least one scum was in the Stedding and killed Nolder.

 

 

how do you know the red above?

 

It's in the rules, post 1.

 

 

Okay, I just had a thought....I have like 40+ posts to go through....let's just go on the assumption that he agrees that people can be killed in both threads.  

 

 

Each player has a choice between spending the night in the stedding or spending the night in tel'aran'rhiod. These are two separate night time QT topics, your choice will affect your abilities.
 

^

I'll even quote it for you.

 

 

 

As I said in the QT, I'll be going to T'A'R on the next night.

 

Okay, I do have a question about this which he does explain later...just keep this in mind.

 

 

Believer I went over this with you last night. I was very explicit. How do you not get it?

I don't recall, tell me again.

 

 

 

 

Okay end of page 1...onto page 2...oh and I had to split it up in regards to # of quotes so they are in order but might be cut as far as topics go..

[Wildfire Sedai]

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Okay continuing on: 

 

 

 

Faction kill - strongman - if you submit the faction kill within Tel'Aran'Rhiod and on somebody else within Tel'Aran'Rhiod the kill can not be blocked by protective roles or be roleblocked. You can not submit a strongman kill 2 nights running

This implies that a scum in Tel can submit a faction kill on someone not in Tel.

 

Hm, yes. I concede.

 

I assumed that the NA's would be limited to persons inside your QT. My bad.

 

My analysis is faulty, don't go by it.

 

 

Okay here is where he concedes that he is wrong in his assumption that people can only be killed in TR.  and I admit it now too...I didn't totally get it at first, even when I saw this post

 

 

 

 

Believer I went over this with you last night. I was very explicit. How do you not get it?

I don't recall, tell me again.

 

#56 in QT

 

You aren't allowed to do this, but thanks.

 

 

Here shad is referring to when he explained to believer that the strongman kill can only be submitted every other night and cannot be blocked.  And that a stedding strongman does not seem feasible. And that we can talk to dead townies there.  

 

 

vote believer

So this vote is because I misunderstood game mechanics?

 

Mkay.

 

 

A little bit upset about dice's vote...but so would I be in his shoes...so a null for me.

 

 

 

 

#56 in QT

You aren't allowed to do this, but thanks.

 

Do NOT use these QTs to attempt to send coded messages or anything similarly angle-shooty. Referring back to a conversation in a QT is fine. Spelling out a new message is not (so no first letter of post 5, 3, 8 etc). Do NOT link to a QT in thread or in another QT. Do NOT screen shot from a QT and post it in thread or in another QT. If you're not sure about something, PM me and wait for a response.

 

It would easily fall into "coded message" part. Since half the game can't read what you're talking about.

 

 

Seems like he's really trying to make trouble considering that later on BFG posted that all references/posts about the qt's were acceptable. 

 

 

im not thinking you MISUNDERSTOOD anything 

 

 

try asking me if I think you purposely MISREPRESENTED stuff tho

 

im not thinking you MISUNDERSTOOD anything 

 

 

try asking me if I think you purposely MISREPRESENTED stuff tho

I promise I can understand what you're writing without the caps lock, no joke.

 

This comes down to how good of a player you think that I am.

Let's list some facts about me.

 

1. I voted and prefered JS as a lynch yesterday, now known scum.

2. I participated on D1 only to the extent that I answered specific questions directed at me.

3. I spent the entire QT discussing night actions and mechanics, possibly had a post count equal to Zanders and Shads.

4. I was the lynch target of JS, now known scum.

5. I was wrong about mechanics.

 

1. Would I vote a scum friend on D1?

2. Would I lurk D1 as scum?

3. Would I spark the mechanics discussion in the QT as scum?

4. Would JS push me as hard as he did if I was scum?

5. Would I misrepresent mechanics on purpose as scum?

 

If you think I'm scum after these then you think that I am an extremely poor player. If you think I am at least decently capable then I can't see any scenario in which you would think I'm scum, unless you are.

im not thinking you MISUNDERSTOOD anything 

 

 

try asking me if I think you purposely MISREPRESENTED stuff tho

I promise I can understand what you're writing without the caps lock, no joke.

 

This comes down to how good of a player you think that I am.

Let's list some facts about me.

 

1. I voted and prefered JS as a lynch yesterday, now known scum.

2. I participated on D1 only to the extent that I answered specific questions directed at me.

3. I spent the entire QT discussing night actions and mechanics, possibly had a post count equal to Zanders and Shads.

4. I was the lynch target of JS, now known scum.

5. I was wrong about mechanics.

 

1. Would I vote a scum friend on D1?

2. Would I lurk D1 as scum?

3. Would I spark the mechanics discussion in the QT as scum?

4. Would JS push me as hard as he did if I was scum?

5. Would I misrepresent mechanics on purpose as scum?

 

If you think I'm scum after these then you think that I am an extremely poor player. If you think I am at least decently capable then I can't see any scenario in which you would think I'm scum, unless you are.

 

 

I didn't reply to the sentence in my post which he quotes later and we'll get to...but the sentence (bold): Why would I think you are an extremely POOR player?? Doing the 1-4 is the actions of a GREAT scum player #5 meh....but there is a quote that I hope is in (this series of 5 pages) that I want to use...I think...I already mentioned it once but don't know if anyone took it seriously.  The second part...I do see you decently capable which is why I see you as scum and I see absolutely NO relation to MY alignment.

 

Well, DM apparently wanted me to double-post that. Sorry about that.

 

blah post

 

 

I can vouch for my statements in the QT. I said exactly what I meant and I havent seen anything beyond hally trying to twist it as a slip to give me any reason to not want to say that. I didnt submit a requested place between tel and stedding and it goes to reason that if others didnt that it was selected for them too.

Tbqh, im fairly offended that I was accused of making a scum slip as I take a good amount of pride in never having made an unintended slip, something hally should know damn well.

"If you say that you are offended, I am still waiting to hear what your argument is".

 

 

This is a good point.  I would like to here what your argument is also, Darthe?? However, everyone is human.

 

 

Honestly the thing that set my hair on edge most about you all game was when you accused Dice of claiming credit for your ideas when he said there was probably a wolf in both QTs.

/shrug
 

But Snow was a wolf and you/Snow w/w did not make much sense from the perspective I was looking at last night.  I just thought it was more likely you than him.  I have to reevaluate.

I still think that he did that.

 

If he had read the QT then he would've seen my 5-10 posts dealing with precisely that. Then a good while after he makes a post pretty much copying my reasoning and leaves it at that. To me, that is not contributing, rather stealing conclusions.

 

 

This I think is petty and pretty childish...This is what makes me want to think you scummy tbh...well one of the things anyway...

 

Isn't this prime time for NA? Where's everybody?

 

This is pretty damning as well...Do you have some NA that you must do...if so what kind are they??

 

 

 

I still think that he did that.
 
If he had read the QT then he would've seen my 5-10 posts dealing with precisely that. Then a good while after he makes a post pretty much copying my reasoning and leaves it at that. To me, that is not contributing, rather stealing conclusions.

What?  He used it as a precursor to voicing the opinion that he did not think wolves would send Wifi alone.  I corrected you on this in QT and you acknowledged it.  You said well he still borrowed the initial idea as if that was a bad thing.

 

I didn't acknowledge it, you're misremembering or misrepresenting. I said that he borrowed my analysis as his own, nothing more.

 

 

I kind of want you to be a wolf atp.   

I'm sorry to disappoint you.

I kind of want you to be a wolf atp.   

I'm sorry to disappoint.

 

 

This is so babyish... I mean for realllsssssss.

 

*snipped*

 

The scum slip isn't the QT you went to, it's the posts you made after the deadline at EoD.

 

 

The witty quote is the valid point, in this case.

 

 

Gotta read Darthes EoD posts...again...

 

 

 

[Wildfire Sedai]

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But one thing that sticks out and youve used it more then once is the "if you think Im a good player or you don't"

 

Every player knows that ANYONE CAN AND HAVE made mistakes regardless of skill level man.

 

 

Misleading the thread into accepting incorrect game mechanics would be a calculated move. I'd have to think about that and then weigh the pros and cons of it.

When I post a mechanical analysis I know that it's going to be fact checked, people aren't just going to take my word for it. Am I really that stupid/bad as to try to pull that scam off? When I know for a fact that it's going to get called out? That would be incredibly poor play.

 

Indeed, my analysis puts the spotlight on myself if I have it right. Remember that the cornerstone of my argument was that there has to be scum in the Stedding. I included myself in that list.

So I screw myself in either case, if I'm scum. Either people believe me and I'm in a group of 5 that will be looked at very closely, or I get called out and called scum for misleading the thread.

 

Am I going to pull that, knowing that both outcomes bite me in the behind?

 

 

Okay I give you the point here....+1 townie point

 

 

I think I might readjust my read on believer....I think he might be scummy after all.....just saying.....cause if he can get the fact that posting a is against the rules and not just referring back to a conversation in the qt then I can totally believe that he understood full well that a person in TR could kill someone in either the stedding/TR.

How do you get from one to the other? These things are so unrelated I can't even. because they are the same thing.  It's realizing that one thing isn't the way it seems.  You realized (though incorrectly) that shad posting #56 could be breaking the rules not just referring to a convo in the qt which is no different than realizing that a person in the TR could kill someone either in TR/stedding.
 

1. Would I vote a scum friend on D1? IF Darthe is a scum partner, yes!  He did it to me.  I know I said he was town but things can/will change...also I don't think darthe is the only person who would vote someone on D1 as scum.

I wouldn't be so bold. I've played in 100+ Mafia games and never rolled scum. I wouldn't start my first one by playing so risky. I did.  I had darthe and notbob as my partners.  They guided me and told me to go after them so I did.  It wasn't that hard, especially with them going after me. 
 

2. Would I lurk D1 as scum? You already said that you don't care about D1 as a player. So yes I believe you would.

I've explained that I find that reprehensible, I wouldn't do it. Take me at my word or don't, it's the reason. Well did you keep up to date on D1 throughout the day?  If you did and didn't post....that's lurking or so I believe....It's one thing to keep up to date while making a post but to not post for like a whole RL day, that is lurking.
 

3. Would I spark the mechanics discussion in the QT as scum? Sure, why not.  Its a way to turn townie eyes away from you.

Eyes weren't on me, I had consensus time until D2. I was actively trying to solve the game together with the players I chatted with.  Maybe...Just maybe...or you could have been trying to sow WIFOM, with the belief that that you could just say, "oops, I made a mistake....sorry my bad." sound familiar??

 

4. Would JS push me as hard as he did if I was scum? Darn straight he would.  Darthe pushed me like crazy in the BM game.  again if one person can do it, I see no reason why another can't.

To each their own, to me it seems stupid to push hardcore for a scumbuddy when the leading wagon is also your scumbuddy, you're not trying to save either of them. Arguably it's playing against your wincon at that point. When the leading scumbuddy had the fire power that hellian did then hell yeah I think he would....
 

5. Would I misrepresent mechanics on purpose as scum? Duh, Yes, Obviously! To sow WIFOM. of course.

I explain in my last post why this doesn't make sense. Yes and I gave you +1 townie point for it

 

So you're probably wondering why aren't I voting you...for a couple of reasons:
 
 1. Hallia (who I have as sli. scum. ) wanted JS lynched before you and he was wolf....either makes her town and she did claim doc and you townier or she was scum bussing and distancing from you....only reason for this I can see is if you had better pr than js....but to be honest before I type a wall of text: I think you're town... *sigh* maybe possibly very very slightly....on the edge.......razor sharp edge......

I'm glad you come to the correct conclusion, despite the above. :)

 

 

Okay I answered in read but I know some of you don't like that so I will lay it out for you here:

 

sentence: because they are the same thing.  It's realizing that one thing isn't the way it seems.  You realized (though incorrectly) that shad posting #56 could be breaking the rules not just referring to a convo in the qt which is no different than realizing that a person in the TR could kill someone either in TR/stedding.

1.  I did.  I had darthe and notbob as my partners.  They guided me and told me to go after them so I did.  It wasn't that hard, especially with them going after me. 

2. Well did you keep up to date on D1 throughout the day?  If you did and didn't post....that's lurking or so I believe....It's one thing to keep up to date while making a post but to not post for like a whole RL day, that is lurking.

3.  Maybe...Just maybe...or you could have been trying to sow WIFOM, with the belief that that you could just say, "oops, I made a mistake....sorry my bad." sound familiar?

4.  When the leading scumbuddy had the fire power that hellian did then hell yeah I think he would....

5. Yes and I gave you +1 townie point for it

 

 

Hallia, are you gonna protect me tonight, from all the baddies? <3

 

Here he kind of gets a minus point....asking for doc protection but not claiming a PR....so now back to 0000

 

 

 

From the discussion that we had in the QT Hellian could’ve used his execute ability on Believer and cut the day short since it was fairly obvious he was toast with limited time left but he didn’t. Either he just didn’t join the thread at all or he didn’t want to kill Believer for scum mate reasons. Darthe potentially scum slipped in the TAR thread, ISO’ing there’s not a single post towards irt Hellian though he comments on Believer not being around #1232.

Consider this.

If I was indeed a scumbuddy of Hellian, am I more valuable than him/her?
Hellians role was incredibly strong, most likely the strongest in the game. If they were present at EoD and able to save themselves, it would've been the right choice to make, regardless of who they sacrifice.

Hellian also had the following:
Once during the game you may challenge somebody to a Gladiator match. PM me and I will announce the challenge in thread. All votes will be removed and the lynch will be decided between you and the person you challenge. Once the challenge has been issued day will switch to hammer and votes will be locked.

Hellian could've challenged anybody, a town even. Granted it would've been only a slim chance of success, but greater than 0% which was the EoD percentage for him/her.

All of these indicate that the person was not present at EoD. That removes your link between me and Hellian.

 

 

I think that a couple of things could have happened:

 

1. Hellian wasn't around EoD for RL reasons and

 

2. JS wanted to save her if he could so he went after believer a townie

or

2. JS wanted to save her if he could so he went after believer the next closest lynch and fellow scummate but with less power 

 

I still don't get how this removes the link between the two of you?

 

 

 

 

But one thing that sticks out and youve used it more then once is the "if you think Im a good player or you don't"
 
Every player knows that ANYONE CAN AND HAVE made mistakes regardless of skill level man.

Misleading the thread into accepting incorrect game mechanics would be a calculated move. I'd have to think about that and then weigh the pros and cons of it.
When I post a mechanical analysis I know that it's going to be fact checked, people aren't just going to take my word for it. Am I really that stupid/bad as to try to pull that scam off? When I know for a fact that it's going to get called out? That would be incredibly poor play.
 
Indeed, my analysis puts the spotlight on myself if I have it right. Remember that the cornerstone of my argument was that there has to be scum in the Stedding. I included myself in that list.
So I screw myself in either case, if I'm scum. Either people believe me and I'm in a group of 5 that will be looked at very closely, or I get called out and called scum for misleading the thread.
 
Am I going to pull that, knowing that both outcomes bite me in the behind?

 

 
Absolutely....cause as you quoted....everyone makes mistakes....you see I'm trying to figure out if we were all town in the stedding....or if there really was one wolf....I kind of believe your reasoning that there has to be 1 wolf...but I am wondering if the wolf that was supposed to come to the stedding FORGOT to put their choice in ahead of time and that's what darthe was talking about...but I have darthe as townie...oh the twists and turns..... 

 

I wouldn't make that mistake, not with the time I had at my disposal and the outs offered to me by Shad in the QT. I'd probably be the worst player to ever play if I did.
Can you see the astronomical odds of this?

 

 

Can't you see I was giving you an out on this and you took it the wrong way...getting very defensive....if you read it...I will bold some parts...the first part I bolded says that the wolf that was supposed to go to the stedding forgot to put their choice in and got sent to TR instead, the second part is me saying I have Darthe as townie...which is connected to the third part...the twists and turns...if I am to believe you...then maybe Darthe is scum after all...and I am maybe thinking you are right...maybe...possibly...

 

 

I mean I don't have it pulled up right now, I guess if she wasn't voting him at the time she could have piled on and made it four but it would have full outed her Pral style

Please read my post regarding Hellians EoD.

 

 

Null post....already talked about

 

 

 

 

I mean I don't have it pulled up right now, I guess if she wasn't voting him at the time she could have piled on and made it four but it would have full outed her Pral style

Please read my post regarding Hellians EoD.

 

 
I disagree that scum would necessarily kill a capable wolf over dead weight with good PRs, but certainly some would.  Depends on the mentality of the team comp.  I generally agree with you that she appeared to have completely bailed by the time she got strung up.
 
I don't think Hellian not Glad or Executing you makes you a wolf, basically.

 

The central point I was trying to make is that she could've used Gladiator on a townie, to give herself a >0% of surviving. There was literally no reason not to do this.

Also I will disagree with you if you're calling me a capable wolf. I've never played scum so I wouldn't have the slightest idea of how to do it.

 

 

I have played wolf twice: once in darthes: BTW where almost everybody was scum except for 3 SK, 2 masons and a jester. I played like my town game...I got NK by a SK.  It was an oddball game...but I was double crossed by a teammate (everyone was in two teams except for the above mentioned).  So basically that game doesn't count.  The other game I subbed in and my partners were Darthe and Notbob. I had no idea how to do it either except play my town game but then they kept telling me to do things.  So I did them.  It eventually got me lynched but as darthe put it "your lynch will help us secure the win.  It will cement me as townie." hmmmm....got to remember this....

 

Seems thread is pretty dead.

I'll most likely be back in about 14-15 hours, got family stuff to do tomorrow.

See you. <3

 

null....

 

 

 

Honestly the thing that set my hair on edge most about you all game was when you accused Dice of claiming credit for your ideas when he said there was probably a wolf in both QTs.

/shrug
 
But Snow was a wolf and you/Snow w/w did not make much sense from the perspective I was looking at last night.  I just thought it was more likely you than him.  I have to reevaluate.

I still think that he did that.
 
If he had read the QT then he would've seen my 5-10 posts dealing with precisely that. Then a good while after he makes a post pretty much copying my reasoning and leaves it at that. To me, that is not contributing, rather stealing conclusions.

 

 
right cause stating the obvious is stealing. gimme a break. 
 
my POINT wasnt that there was 1 scum   thats a given and had been mentioned a bunch   it was that i thought if it was wifi then there would be TWO in that thread. 
 
As for you  about all ive taken away from u in the QT is
 
a) im gonna be more active
 
b) that ure CERTAIN   and uve been talking like that here too   that there was 1 scum in the QT.
 
c) maths.
 
thats it. you gave me no reason to clear you then you come in here CERTAIN that nol had to be killed by someone in the stedding. How could you be so certain?? then ure whinging i stole ure idea. thats just dumb. you could have also read that as me AGREEING with ure idea and adding a thought to it.

 

Please read my dismantling of your case and reply to it before you tunnel on.

 

 

I just went through all your D2 posts and I don't see any of you dismantling DICE'S case and replying to it.

 

 

[V] believer I liked the reasons.discussed in the QT

If they are only what has been quoted so far, I've picked that case apart for the weak one it is.

 

 

I still found some holes in YOUR answer to the supposedly WEAK ONE.

 

 

 

[Wildfire Sedai]

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Here are my points as to why I believe that believer is wolf:
 
1. He wants to go to TR for N2 - why?? because its his turn for a night kill.  Did we get seriously lucky enough that the other only surviving wolf (as yet tbd is the one who submitted the NK last night, so can't tonight and that's why believer wants to go to TR??
2. He INSISTED that there was a wolf in the stedding.  Insisted...NO way around it.  Could it have been TMI?  Was he talking about himself? sowing confusion?  I mean seriously let's look at the people in the stedding: ME: I'm town all the way, so is zass/dice/nolder/possibly shad....hmmm so that leaves believer...whattaya know....
3. His insistence that dice "stole" his idea....give me a fricken break...it was more like agreeing with and adding on to not stealing   WIFOM totally unrelated to the game at large

This reads very disingenous, WiFi.

I've addressed points 2 and 3 in detail since day started. If you ignore my posts then I suppose you can make the post that you just did, but how else?
I'll explain point 1 if people are interested, but no one has asked me about it. I've even baited the question twice, but no one has taken it on.

I go into excruciating detail surrounding point 2, most of my posts this day have some of that in them and they explain it thoroughly.

You can only make the post you just did if you are either;
A: Oblivious to my posting.
B: Ignoring my posting, pushing an agenda.

 

 

A. I am not oblivious to your posting.  I have commented on every post you have made thus far...even if it was to say just "null." 

 

B. I am NOT ignoring your posting. AT this point you haven't commented on 1.  as far as 2 . Yes we know that a wolf was 99.99999999% in the stedding..However did you read MY post...when I said, it's a possibility that a wolf FORGOT to send in their PM and got randed to TR instead (paraphrased) and 3.  Just NO gimme a flippen break....he stole your idea....are you really so set on the idea of at least 1 scum in stedding that you are going to patent it, cause if you are heres the #+46 8 782 28 00.  If not shut the f up about this.

 

 

 

 

Here are my points as to why I believe that believer is wolf:
 
1. He wants to go to TR for N2 - why?? because its his turn for a night kill.  Did we get seriously lucky enough that the other only surviving wolf (as yet tbd is the one who submitted the NK last night, so can't tonight and that's why believer wants to go to TR??
2. He INSISTED that there was a wolf in the stedding.  Insisted...NO way around it.  Could it have been TMI?  Was he talking about himself? sowing confusion?  I mean seriously let's look at the people in the stedding: ME: I'm town all the way, so is zass/dice/nolder/possibly shad....hmmm so that leaves believer...whattaya know....
3. His insistence that dice "stole" his idea....give me a fricken break...it was more like agreeing with and adding on to not stealing   WIFOM totally unrelated to the game at large

This reads very disingenous, WiFi.

I've addressed points 2 and 3 in detail since day started. If you ignore my posts then I suppose you can make the post that you just did, but how else?
I'll explain point 1 if people are interested, but no one has asked me about it. I've even baited the question twice, but no one has taken it on.

I go into excruciating detail surrounding point 2, most of my posts this day have some of that in them and they explain it thoroughly.

You can only make the post you just did if you are either;
A: Oblivious to my posting.
B: Ignoring my posting, pushing an agenda.

 

Ok, I'll take the bait. Why do you want to go to TAR tonight instead of the Stedding?

 

Because it seems more dangerous.

As far as I see the lore surrounding this and after seeing Hellians flip in particular, it seems that TAR-goers are more likely to be targetted by night actions.
For N1 I needed to be safe, for N2 I need to not be safe.

 

 

Please explain WHY...I know you do later...

 

 

 

You need to not be safe...? That doesn't make any sense to me.

I want to be targetted by night actions.

 

 

This continues....

 

 

So are you soft claiming some sort of sensor?

I'm claiming nothing.

Right now I've explained why all the arguments against me fall flat in the face of logic. This hasn't helped very much since those posts have gone ignored. I've gotten 2 more votes since I made them and no comments whatsoever on them.

So logic doesn't work, let's hard clear me. I want cop checks, night kills, anything. That's gonna give everyone a blue-on-white confirmation of my alignment.

I'm tired of explaining things when the explanation is ignored.

 

 

Okay so who's doing the "woe is me" post now??  I mean if the shoe fits.. You've explained yourself but I have still found holes in your theories...note the red in previous post...so instead of self-voting you plan on doing a kill-me-here-I-am statement...what happens when you don't die??

 

 

Well the cop check is plausible, night kill is unlikely. If I were scum and you were town, I'd leave you around cause you're too easy of a mislynch. 
 
Course if you want blue on white, we could lynch you...

Lynching me doesn't benefit town, since I know my alignment.

Wasting a scum NK on me benefits town since most are determined that I have to be scum and will never trust me anyways. Cop checking me is also beneficial since it will confirm me and also keep me alive.

 

 

He has a point here (bold) +1 townie point

 

 

 

 

You need to not be safe...? That doesn't make any sense to me.

I want to be targetted by night actions.

 

 
OK then why didnt you choose T'A'R N1 then??

 

Because I thought that people would listen to logic on D2.

I wanted to be safe N1. Unsafe N2.

 

 

This kind of confuses me....unless....he's a mirror....if there is such a thing....??? where whatever is done to him is done to the person doing it to him???

 

[unvote]

[v]Darthe[/v]

 

I don't get this....ABSOLUTELY NO preface...I mean there was some mention of darthe but no real reasonings...

 

 

Speaking of which [v]Believer[/v] I forgot to do that earlier.

How do you even.

 

 

Same way you even did the above...

 

 

Believer when you Wolf do you tend to bus?
 
 
Can you link me some Scum games of yours please?

I have no idea.

I've never been scum.

 

 

I find that hard to believe....In over 150+ games you've never rand scum....well besides BtW I haven't and its been 10 games...so we shall see...but I just can't picture that..sorry.. - minus 1/2 townie point..even zander, though he doesn't like to even think about it, must've rand scum at some point cause people talk about his scum meta....sorry z

 

 

Fair, but to say that Believer is somehow less likely to be scum because our chances of getting three wolves on one day is small basically makes us prey to the Gambler's Fallacy. 
Now I do see your point about him and JS going at each other too hard from the start. That looks fishy now that I reread it.

Have you actually read any of my posts on D2?

Honestly, have you?

 

 

Now we are being very defensive....You sound like me when I am in the headlights and I am town....er....maybe....+ 1/2 townie point

 

 

 

 

Believer when you Wolf do you tend to bus?
 
 
Can you link me some Scum games of yours please?

I have no idea.

I've never been scum.

 

 
I will kill you dead you lying SOAB

 

Honestly, I've never been scum.

150+ games and never scum.

 

 

Here we have zander having a conniption fit....doesn't want to admit anyone can have his same record...if he has one... you z ....I still think its kind of iffy...though with me running town every game except when I sub in or when EVERYONE is scum in game then I began to wonder.....I brought it up once in another game but was told I was wrong...that people rand the same thing every game...so I have thought about it before but...????

 

 

 

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a little touchy are we believer.  and I guess you didn't see his second amendment post...saying you might be town.

I guess you could call it that.

When people disregard my posts and act as if they were never made I tend to get pretty pissy.

I've dismantled the case against me and people still tunnel on.

 

 

remember that this is part of the game....I have a hard time getting used to it myself  

 

 

not even subbing in as scum???

No, never.

 

 

again??

 

 

 

 

Believer when you Wolf do you tend to bus?
 
 
Can you link me some Scum games of yours please?

I have no idea.

I've never been scum.

 

 
ok youre just lolcatting now

 

I am telling you the truth, I have never in my life played a mafia game as scum.

 

 

back to this argument.....

 

 

 

[v] unvote [/v]
 
[v] Believer [/v]

This disappoints me so much.

 

 

was going to happen....inevitable...

 

 

 

 

[v] unvote [/v]
 
[v] Believer [/v]

This disappoints me so much.

 

 
Im the only person that has never randed Scum

 

Speak to anyone who has ever played with me, they can confirm it.

 

 

 

Bring them to DM....we could always use more mafia players....ones that stay through the whole game that is!

 

 

 

 

a little touchy are we believer.  and I guess you didn't see his second amendment post...saying you might be town.

I guess you could call it that.

When people disregard my posts and act as if they were never made I tend to get pretty pissy.

I've dismantled the case against me and people still tunnel on.

 

Maybe I just don't want to admit I was wrong.

 

If you're town you should get over that, so we can focus on winning.

 

 

This is totally true. + 1 townie point It is however just one point...doesn't get you very far....now I have to post all five pages and get caught up ITT...whew...

 

Total: 1 townie point  

 

[Wildfire Sedai]

Okay so what did I get out of all that.....good question.....hmmm....yeah......still wondering....but seriously he got 1 townie point...that's not much tbqf...yeah he did a lot of explaining.  However, I was able to refute most if not all of his explanations, again.  He seems to throwing a lot of serious dirt across the road...YET I still have a little bit of hesitation...mainly cause I also see Kat and Darthe as scum....well definitely kat...maybe darthe.....need a cop peek on him....hint hint....oh and [unvote] No ones CC on Hallia and we have to have a DOC this game.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I actually have one weird @ss idea: believer could be the COP...his read could have been off N1 so he needed to be safe in the stedding or so he thought, but now needs to use his PR in TR so that is why he wants to be in TR N2....just throwing it out there....I know I'm not supposed to say this ITT...but I'm usually the one left in the dark with everyone giving hints that so and so already claimed and I'm like they did and people are like didn't you read the thread and I'm like yeah but I didn't see it....  debating whether to post this or just delete this......I know....

[Zander?]

 
If John SNow and Believer are w/w I tip my hat to them for some good distancing. IRT Wifi ISO
 
Also Wifi....are you a Wolf....with Kat????!?!!?
 

[Wildfire Sedai]

HELL NO....Do you really think I would do all that work as a WOLF....gimme a break...  

[Wildfire Sedai]

well tbh maybe...cause I'm bored....BUT I'M NOT....I AM TOWN.....

[Zander?]

Okay, I don't have time to do a full ISO on even the ones I want to....its 3pm and I was only on pg 2 of tiink's.  So, I pulled some posts of his that I thought were relevant to a read, either way: town/scum. I am going to use my memory GHU for the reads...Okay, so I might do random ISO's

 

 

1. Tiinker - Null - Slight Scummy - He is a mastermind at mafia.  plays the wolf very well.  Can totally see him orchestrating whole set up...will elaborate on bottom.

2. Nolder - Null

3. Kat - Null

4. Dice - Null -  Townie - based on his response to a post shad's self vote post....seems legit PO'dness. asking/answering questions, pushing people, etc.

5. WiFi - TOWN QUEENIE

6. Hallia _ Null

7. John Snow - Null - Slight Scummy - IIRC He said he knew how many scum there was in the game (four).  Also some of his posts seem to be confusing for others...through no fault of his own.....maybe/maybe not....something to think about?  

8. Darthe - Null - Will talk about in WoT at bottom.  He could go both ways

9. Zander/Cass - Null - Townie - So much enthusiasm. can't be anything but.  

10. Pral - Null

11. Hellian - Null

12. Believer - Null

13. Ironeyes - Null - Townie - He just shows a sense of innocence.  Like I know he hasn't played in a long time so I can see where it is coming from.  

14. Shad - Null - Slightly Scummy - his self confessed: mafia claim and self vote. though the self vote kinda wants me to think him more villagery...talk more about this later....

 

 

DISCLAIMER:  This is my FIRST reads list.  It   WILL CHANGE  and to be honest it probably already has, as it changes due to my emotions and my whim.  

 

 

Okay so I think there is the possibility of a tiink/JS/darthe/shad mafia team, and here's why:  I was just mafia with darthe in my last game and he had me pushing to bus and distancing myself from him.  Therefore, I figure he figures that I will remember this so they decide to do the opposite: Play buddy, buddies.  I have brought out some posts that show this between darthe and tiink, but if IIRC and I could be wrong, TLK I have been wrong before, there was some distancing between them and shad/JS. I had so much more I wanted to say...........darn.....I hate my memory fmm

 

OR

 

There is the possibility of a pral/hellian/hallia/believer mafia team and here's why: They are trying to slide under the radar.  It's not like it wasn't done before.  I don't think its totally likely but I do think there is a possibility of there being at least 1 maybe 2 er maybe 3 maybe just maybe in that combo.

 

Just looking through Wifi.

 

I mean im prolly nitpicking and tinfoiling a bit but the Wolf placement on both scenarios is neat.

[Zander?]

 

5 people not voting atp is pretty awful.

 

Come on people piss or get off the pot.

 

Hey....you know I only vote if I really think the person is scum and if there are other people voting for that person and if its not already gonna be a lynch and/or a smaller combination of the former OR If it's self preservation.   

 

That being said I think hellian could be scum, as described in myreads list,  there are other people voting for hellian and hellian is already gonna be lynched sofar as I can tell....so [v] hellian [/v] 

 

 

Just noting the vote. 

 

The explanation here isnt awful but she really dies explain it if that makes sense.  Like made sure it was justified.  Maybe thats just a personal thing I dont think comes from a more free flowin' Town!Wifi.

 

Again this could just be a lot of lolme.

 

 

I still prefer a JS lynch btw.

 

 

No one is joining me on JS

 

Bee is here, and posting

 

Zander agrees that Bee needs more time

 

To be honest I agree with the above statements....You were all talking so much and arguing and I know I didn't flesh it out in my reads list but there was a reason that I had JS as scum and would really rather vote there.  Just saying. 

 

 

Both of Hellion on JS were Scum so Im not sure what to make of this if anything.

 

 

hmmmm.....beginning to wonder...

 

@tiink: are you a misguided townie or a wolf in disguise...I am so completely TOWN it ain't funny...could you and darthe be in it together....I could so see you and darthe bussing each other...or at least you bussing darthe...I don't know where darthe is...if he went to bed or what???  but if he didn't would normally see a rebuttal to this...

 

 

I mean I don't have it pulled up right now, I guess if she wasn't voting him at the time she could have piled on and made it four but it would have full outed her Pral style

 

Maybe, I can't remember the timeline and I'm too tired to look it up now, but I already felt better about him given the John Snow turned out scum. I gotta do a reread tomorrow cause I'm way too tired now and see what has been said today but if I had to vote now it'd be Darthe or WiFi.

 

 

 

Unless this is about TInk Id love for you to elaborate on your thought process when you wrote that...

 

 

WIFI - TOWN QUEENIE

Nolder

 Zander/Cass

 Ironeyes

 Hallia 

Dice

 

 Believer

 Shad 

 

 Darthe 

Tiinker

 Pral

 

Kat

 

Hellian 

John Snow

 

 

Just noting a more current reads list.

 

 

So here's my state of mind right now

 

If wolves sent a rep to the Stedding, one of ZanCass, Dice, Wifi, or Believer is scum.

 

I was dead convinced last night that ZanCass Dice and Wifi were all town, thought the wolf had to be Nolder or Believer.

 

Nolder's a dead villager. Does Believer make any sense considering he was a wagon with Snow and Hellian?

 

It would basically require that we had 3 competing wolf trains on D1.

 

Seems like a stretch.

 

Any of ZC/Dice/Wifi being wolf seems like a stretch.

 

Wolves not sending a rep to the Stedding seems like a stretch.

 

Conclusion: :???:

 

Believer is the wolf and here is why:

 

As I said in the QT, I'll be going to T'A'R on the next night.

 

Faction kill - strongman - if you submit the faction kill within Tel'Aran'Rhiod and on somebody else within Tel'Aran'Rhiod the kill can not be blocked by protective roles or be roleblocked. You can not submit a strongman kill 2 nights running

 

 

actually that was copied from the D1 ending...I don't know why it says Believer on it....DM being weird

 

 

 

 

Moghedien

 

In Tel'Aran'Rhiod you may investigate one player and learn their role (role cop)

 

So here are my general points:

 

1. All night actions must be submitted from TR, town or scum

2. That the mafia had constraints on how many times they could submit a NK..." You cannot submit a NK 2 nights running" meaning each mafia player, therefore

3. They decided on a schedule of when each one is to submit a NK. (THIS IS PURE CONJECTURE.  I have no idea if this was done or not.  I am just trying to think outside the box)

 

Here are my points as to why I believe that believer is wolf:

 

1. He wants to go to TR for N2 - why?? because its his turn for a night kill.  Did we get seriously lucky enough that the other only surviving wolf (as yet tbd is the one who submitted the NK last night, so can't tonight and that's why believer wants to go to TR??

2. He INSISTED that there was a wolf in the stedding.  Insisted...NO way around it.  Could it have been TMI?  Was he talking about himself? sowing confusion?  I mean seriously let's look at the people in the stedding: ME: I'm town all the way, so is zass/dice/nolder/possibly shad....hmmm so that leaves believer...whattaya know....

3. His insistence that dice "stole" his idea....give me a fricken break...it was more like agreeing with and adding on to not stealing WIFOM totally unrelated to the game at large

 

 

 

 

Reads very weird to me.

 

Defensive or very AWARE maybe?

[Zander?]

 

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3.  - Null

4. - Null -  Townie - .

5.

6._ Null

7.  - Null -

8. - Null - 

9. - Null - 

10.- Null

11. - Null

12. - Null

13. - 

14.  - 

 

 

 

WIFI - TOWN QUEENIE

Nolder

 Zander/Cass

 Ironeyes

 Hallia 

Dice

 

 Believer

 Shad 

 

 Darthe 

Tiinker

 Pral

 

Kat

 

Hellian 

John Snow

 

 

Kats know her top Scum read but shes bouncing around a lot on Believer.

 

Now that could be legit Townie trying to figure out Believer.

 

OR

 

If Wifi and Kat are w/w and Believer is Town and with Kat, he is the most sussed person atm.

 

Her trying to bounce around the Scum!Believer idea while keeping herself kinda clean but could switch back depending on the thread mood and environment.

 

Am I over thinking this???

[Zander?]

HELL NO....Do you really think I would do all that work as a WOLF....gimme a break...  

 

 

well tbh maybe...cause I'm bored....BUT I'M NOT....I AM TOWN.....

 

Ok I may have legit lost my mind but this totally COULD be a guilty conscious post response for someone who hates lying but has too sometimes.

[Wildfire Sedai]

 

1HELL NO....Do you really think I would do all that work as a WOLF....gimme a break...  

 

 

2well tbh 1.maybe...1.5cause I'm bored....2.BUT I'M NOT...3.I AM TOWN.....

 

Ok I may have legit lost my mind but this totally COULD be a guilty conscious post response for someone who hates lying but has too sometimes.

 

 

I said that because 1 was a lie....I did it during the LAST GAME I played as wolf...so yes you are right it was a guilty conscious.  Cause I realized that I had lied...so I wanted to set the record straight with post 2.  which is the TOTAL TRUTH...1. i MIGHT do that much work as wolf 1.5 cause I'm bored 2. I'm NOT wolf 3. I AM TOWN

[Wildfire Sedai]

 

 

 

*SNIPPED*

 

hmmmm.....beginning to wonder...

 

@tiink: are you a misguided townie or a wolf in disguise...I am so completely TOWN it ain't funny...could you and darthe be in it together....I could so see you and darthe bussing each other...or at least you bussing darthe...I don't know where darthe is...if he went to bed or what???  but if he didn't would normally see a rebuttal to this...

 

 

I mean I don't have it pulled up right now, I guess if she wasn't voting him at the time she could have piled on and made it four but it would have full outed her Pral style

 

Maybe, I can't remember the timeline and I'm too tired to look it up now, but I already felt better about him given the John Snow turned out scum. I gotta do a reread tomorrow cause I'm way too tired now and see what has been said today but if I had to vote now it'd be Darthe or WiFi.

 

 

 

1Unless this is about TInk Id love for you to elaborate on your thought process when you wrote that...

 

 

WIFI - TOWN QUEENIE

Nolder

 Zander/Cass

 Ironeyes

 Hallia 

Dice

 

 Believer

 Shad 

 

 Darthe 

Tiinker

 Pral

 

Kat

 

Hellian 

John Snow

 

 

Just noting a more current reads list.

 

 

So here's my state of mind right now

 

If wolves sent a rep to the Stedding, one of ZanCass, Dice, Wifi, or Believer is scum.

 

I was dead convinced last night that ZanCass Dice and Wifi were all town, thought the wolf had to be Nolder or Believer.

 

Nolder's a dead villager. Does Believer make any sense considering he was a wagon with Snow and Hellian?

 

It would basically require that we had 3 competing wolf trains on D1.

 

Seems like a stretch.

 

Any of ZC/Dice/Wifi being wolf seems like a stretch.

 

Wolves not sending a rep to the Stedding seems like a stretch.

 

Conclusion: :???:

 

Believer is the wolf and here is why:

 

As I said in the QT, I'll be going to T'A'R on the next night.

 

 

Faction kill - strongman - if you submit the faction kill within Tel'Aran'Rhiod and on somebody else within Tel'Aran'Rhiod the kill can not be blocked by protective roles or be roleblocked. You can not submit a strongman kill 2 nights running

 

 

actually that was copied from the D1 ending...I don't know why it says Believer on it....DM being weird

 

 

 

 

Moghedien

 

In Tel'Aran'Rhiod you may investigate one player and learn their role (role cop)

 

So here are my general points:

 

1. All night actions must be submitted from TR, town or scum

2. That the mafia had constraints on how many times they could submit a NK..." You cannot submit a NK 2 nights running" meaning each mafia player, therefore

3. They decided on a schedule of when each one is to submit a NK. (THIS IS PURE CONJECTURE.  I have no idea if this was done or not.  I am just trying to think outside the box)

 

Here are my points as to why I believe that believer is wolf:

 

1. He wants to go to TR for N2 - why?? because its his turn for a night kill.  Did we get seriously lucky enough that the other only surviving wolf (as yet tbd is the one who submitted the NK last night, so can't tonight and that's why believer wants to go to TR??

2. He INSISTED that there was a wolf in the stedding.  Insisted...NO way around it.  Could it have been TMI?  Was he talking about himself? sowing confusion?  I mean seriously let's look at the people in the stedding: ME: I'm town all the way, so is zass/dice/nolder/possibly shad....hmmm so that leaves believer...whattaya know....

3. His insistence that dice "stole" his idea....give me a fricken break...it was more like agreeing with and adding on to not stealing WIFOM totally unrelated to the game at large

 

 

 

 

Reads very weird to me.

 

2Defensive or very AWARE maybe?

 

 

1.  I think this is in response to tiink's post that he want's to vote me. You know how I get when people say stuff about me like you're doing now I mean be serious.  You are so tinfoiling. I have yet to rand a real mafia game: darthe's doesn't count and I subbed in the last one.  So, so far I am tied with you in that I have never rand scum.  

2 Defensive.  I knew what you all would say if I just said that without any defense.  You would have lynched me on the spot....and goshed darn it: I AM TOWN.   and if you check the last game I didn't say that ITT till the end of the game and this isn't even close to end game.

 

 

 

1.- Null - 

2.  - Null

3.  - Null

4. - Null -  Townie - .

5.

6._ Null

7.  - Null -

8. - Null - 

9. - Null - 

10.- Null

11. - Null

12. - Null

13. - 

14.  - 

 

 

 

WIFI - TOWN QUEENIE

Nolder

 Zander/Cass

 Ironeyes

 Hallia 

Dice

 

 Believer

 Shad 

 

 Darthe 

Tiinker

 Pral

 

Kat

 

Hellian 

John Snow

 

 

Kats know her top Scum read but shes bouncing around a lot on Believer.

 

Now that could be legit Townie trying to figure out Believer.

 

OR

 

If Wifi and Kat are w/w and Believer is Town and with Kat, he is the most sussed person atm.

 

Her trying to bounce around the Scum!Believer idea while keeping herself kinda clean but could switch back depending on the thread mood and environment.

 

Am I over thinking this???

 

 

You had it right the first time....why do you keep pursuing things that are wrong....you are using up your PC on someone who is TOWN.