Tarmon Gaidon [Advanced Mafia] Game Over

John Snow · September 22, 2016

@Tiink what?

Iron asking about my vote feels like false confusion. Feels like he's trying to get someone to defend the poor, confused guy who just got back into mafia. Or something.

Do you actually think someone is going to get confused reading that? Unless you think he might've actually thought on some level that "vote wolves" was going to work. It's just not confusing.

...what? The "vote wolves" post wasn't confusing. "Um, what's this for" is expressing false confusion.

Zander? · September 22, 2016

/inb4shad-darthe-tink-hellian-scumteamcallout

John Snow should prolly be there as well.

lolololol

Ironeyes · September 22, 2016

/inb4shad-darthe-tink-hellian-scumteamcallout

That's the oddest format I've ever seen for an accusation...

Tiinker · September 22, 2016

I got lynched D1 because haters. I was reading him as town early but tbf everyone was reading him as town and that was mainly because of his interaction with Cory and Nyn. If you cut that out though his D1 here and D1 in Shad's game are similar I think, however I don't think he would've played as he did in Shad's game if people weren't town reading him so strong early on.

Read on Hellian isn't really there. Hasn't really given me anything to think about.

You see my concern here is less about Darthe and more about you.

Dude just duped you hardcore and you just walk in and Town read him off the bat.

Like remember what I said about what I was gonna do about you duping me. I gave you some time and space to work to give me a chance to kinda see from afar.

Unless Im missing the obv which it dont feel like I am and not sure it makes a ton of sense with the setup, leads me to draw only 3 conclusions.

You have TMI irt Darthe

You are teammate with Darthe

GOAT read.

Based on your progression on him this game and the fact he duped you last game lead me to think the last option is least likely.

Well, I was town reading him like everyone else in that game. I'm town reading him here cause he's asking questions I would ask. If he's scum I'll be able to get a better idea later on but atp he's not null and he's not scum imo so I'm leaning town.

The bolded are basically the same. So, surely you only have two conclusions. For the sake of it I'll just say it outright. I am not on a team with Darthe.

John Snow · September 22, 2016

Teammate = WW or Masons or something

TMI = you're and wolf and know he's town.

Tiinker · September 22, 2016

@Tiink what?

Iron asking about my vote feels like false confusion. Feels like he's trying to get someone to defend the poor, confused guy who just got back into mafia. Or something.

Do you actually think someone is going to get confused reading that? Unless you think he might've actually thought on some level that "vote wolves" was going to work. It's just not confusing.

...what? The "vote wolves" post wasn't confusing. "Um, what's this for" is expressing false confusion.

Oh. Makes more sense I'll retract what I said. I read it as you claiming he was spreading confusion which is my bad.

Tiinker · September 22, 2016

Teammate = WW or Masons or something

TMI = you're and wolf and know he's town.

Fair. I didn't consider the fact that I could be a wolf.

Zander? · September 22, 2016

I got lynched D1 because haters. I was reading him as town early but tbf everyone was reading him as town and that was mainly because of his interaction with Cory and Nyn. If you cut that out though his D1 here and D1 in Shad's game are similar I think, however I don't think he would've played as he did in Shad's game if people weren't town reading him so strong early on.

Read on Hellian isn't really there. Hasn't really given me anything to think about.

You see my concern here is less about Darthe and more about you.

Dude just duped you hardcore and you just walk in and Town read him off the bat.

Like remember what I said about what I was gonna do about you duping me. I gave you some time and space to work to give me a chance to kinda see from afar.

Unless Im missing the obv which it dont feel like I am and not sure it makes a ton of sense with the setup, leads me to draw only 3 conclusions.

You have TMI irt Darthe

You are teammate with Darthe

GOAT read.

Based on your progression on him this game and the fact he duped you last game lead me to think the last option is least likely.

Well, I was town reading him like everyone else in that game. I'm town reading him here cause he's asking questions I would ask. If he's scum I'll be able to get a better idea later on but atp he's not null and he's not scum imo so I'm leaning town.

The bolded are basically the same. So, surely you only have two conclusions. For the sake of it I'll just say it outright. I am not on a team with Darthe.

What im saying is for someone to just have fooled you, you dont seem to be really progressing or fleshing out the read.

Its early and maybe some more time is needed but Id have an awful hard time dropping a consistent and early Town read on player who just fooled me is all.

First is youre Scum Darthe is not.

Second you both are.

Also because its lolme if youre Town youd have no idea if he was on your team or not now would you....???

Zander? · September 22, 2016

Teammate = WW or Masons or something

TMI = you're and wolf and know he's town.

Fair. I didn't consider the fact that I could be a wolf.

Dude i just said you guys were teammates and you commented on it being the same thing....

Your response here is a little WTF

Tiinker · September 22, 2016

Teammate = WW or Masons or something

TMI = you're and wolf and know he's town.

Fair. I didn't consider the fact that I could be a wolf.

Dude i just said you guys were teammates and you commented on it being the same thing....

Your response here is a little WTF

What? I considered that we could both be wolves and I considered that we could be masons. In those two cases TMI and teammates would be the same thing.

Tiinker · September 22, 2016

I got lynched D1 because haters. I was reading him as town early but tbf everyone was reading him as town and that was mainly because of his interaction with Cory and Nyn. If you cut that out though his D1 here and D1 in Shad's game are similar I think, however I don't think he would've played as he did in Shad's game if people weren't town reading him so strong early on.

Read on Hellian isn't really there. Hasn't really given me anything to think about.

You see my concern here is less about Darthe and more about you.

Dude just duped you hardcore and you just walk in and Town read him off the bat.

Like remember what I said about what I was gonna do about you duping me. I gave you some time and space to work to give me a chance to kinda see from afar.

Unless Im missing the obv which it dont feel like I am and not sure it makes a ton of sense with the setup, leads me to draw only 3 conclusions.

You have TMI irt Darthe

You are teammate with Darthe

GOAT read.

Based on your progression on him this game and the fact he duped you last game lead me to think the last option is least likely.

Well, I was town reading him like everyone else in that game. I'm town reading him here cause he's asking questions I would ask. If he's scum I'll be able to get a better idea later on but atp he's not null and he's not scum imo so I'm leaning town.

The bolded are basically the same. So, surely you only have two conclusions. For the sake of it I'll just say it outright. I am not on a team with Darthe.

What im saying is for someone to just have fooled you, you dont seem to be really progressing or fleshing out the read.

Its early and maybe some more time is needed but Id have an awful hard time dropping a consistent and early Town read on player who just fooled me is all.

First is youre Scum Darthe is not.

Second you both are.

Also because its lolme if youre Town youd have no idea if he was on your team or not now would you....???

I mean, I was lynched D1 and didn't progress my reads through the game so I guess I don't feel as fooled as you seem to.

@bold lol give me a break here

John Snow · September 22, 2016

-snip-

@ zander: you know I do read the thread RIGHT....so wth...I know I am er...sssssslllllllooooooooooowwwwwwwwww on the uptake bbbuuttt I'm LEARNING....It's been what...10 GAMES You would at least think I've learned something so far...I did take computer Programming in College with a GPA OF 3.89 ONLY 2 B'S 1 IN FIGURE DRAWING....YES WITH RL NUDE MODELS....

-snip-

Yes I totally admit it....I lied last game....I didn't think I would...I had never randed wolf...except darthes game and even then I didn't lie...but the last game I was subbing for someone and I had a team that was helping me along so I couldn't let them down...however if you noticed...I only said I was town queenie on my reads list....I didn't say I was town until the very end....and that was again more self pres then anything...I wanted to play the game....that being said....

I AM TOWN

This is the "woe is me" post.

Oh, gosh, feel bad for me, I'm so sorry I lied but I'll never do it again and it felt awful. Oh my gosh leave me alone I can make good plays because i'm learning. Etc.

Also, for the record Wifi, lying is part of the game. There's some post on the mafiascum wiki about how always telling the truth is playing against your WinCon. Your job as mafia to convince people you're town, not make it easy to tell the difference.

Nolder · September 22, 2016

@ Wifi, a policy lynch is basically saying "if a player does x I will lynch that player regardless of their alignment".

It's the most anti-town thing in the universe, but some villagers love to do it.

Funny thing about Nolder's policy lynch self-voters stance is Nolder has a habit of self-voting.

I have done that a few times recently. I'm not really proud of it and I don't blame anyone for looking down on it or me for doing it.

Darthe · September 22, 2016

I feel I've stuck up for Shad a decent amount this game and I don't like it. But he's been one of the main contributors to the game and it seems like a lot of nitpicking. I really hope I'm not wrong.
If this is a fake wolf post its a good one, should be regarded as objectively townie

Another couple of posts that I am going to keep in mind!

Why? What are you thinking?

I think I like WiFi. I can't understand where she's going with things, but nearly everything she's said I can see where she's coming from. She basically feels agendaless and that feels good here. Am I being naive?

I feel I've stuck up for Shad a decent amount this game and I don't like it. But he's been one of the main contributors to the game and it seems like a lot of nitpicking. I really hope I'm not wrong.

So you want to get into the mind of Wifi, what are you: CRAZY!

So here goes:

Tiink's post seems pretty straightforward at first just like you read it. However if you as he puts it, nitpick:

stuck up for shad but didn't like it, so why stick up for him? especially a decent amount of time? Well he does give us an answer: Shad's been one of the main contributors of the game and it seems like a lot of nitpicking. Now we have to wonder: what seems like a lot of nitpicking? then we figure it must be what tiink is defending shad from. pretty obvious, right. or is it? no it is. I can't remember what I was thinking when I wrote that so I am trying to jog my memory by going through it word by word. not really helping but I think I am on the right track. I really hope I'm not wrong. Here is the kicker. Now he could have just said: I hope I'm not wrong and left it at that...but he said REALLY...adding an adverb that packs a lot of punch. Yes, I am doing semantics. you wonder if he could be stretching it a little to make it seem like he actually cares but in reality doesn't.

OR this whole paragraph could be a waste of time and its said from the heart straight and true. However, we have yet to deal with the second quote....

If this is a fake wolf post its a good one, should be regarded as objectively townie

So now we have the second post, which is why I did the first paragraph....I am going to split this one in two. First: If this is a fake wolf post its a good one,

here we have darthe questioning tiink's post. Now, yes it is the beginning of the post and there is a second half to it but I am going to ignore that second half for now Darthe is saying that tiink's post can be a fake wolf post. With that in mind, is the reason I did the paragraph above. [i forgot to copy both quotes together and color code them separately. I forgot they played a role in interpreting each other ] I just knew that I had to pick apart the first one but not WHY. so that being said:

Darthe and Tiink could easily be wolves together. I know cause I was just wolves with Darthe. This is totally something that he would do, and I know tiink is a very good wolf as well.

You know, youve yet to have a game where you didnt think I was a wolf.

John Snow · September 22, 2016

@Iron

Re: 11: idgaf if everyone else thinks he's town. I posted my reads list. Not the town's reads list. And all I saw there was something that my gut didn't like and I couldn't put my finger on.

Re 13: I didn't say that your reads was your only game related post. I said that it feels like you have more content then you actually do when you read your iso.

Darthe · September 22, 2016

If youve requested that I do anything since I was last here you should know that im way too lazy and my time is far too limited, so no.

If you fear that im a wolf, you should know that the fact you have the thought that I might be a wolf is confirmation that im not, as I can and absolutely would fool every one of you. Especially day one.

I think that resolves most mentions of me. In particular I also remember cass asking why dice, and the short answer is that im a goat dice reader. The long answer is that he isnt going to respond well to me calling him a wolf two games in a row and I want to see that response so that I can establish a goat dice read.

Nolder · September 22, 2016

Nolder - meh. He came in seemed to pick a bit of a fight and then said he was gonna put someone on ignore and I haven't seen a lot more out of him. Maybe he accidentally put the whole thread on ignore?? lol idk.

WAT

Darthe · September 22, 2016

Re: 11: idgaf if everyone else thinks he's town. I posted my reads list. Not the town's reads list. And all I saw there was something that my gut didn't like and I couldn't put my finger on.

In and of itself this doesnt make you town, but it does make me like you. We should get a beer sometime.

Nolder · September 22, 2016

And I missed like 4 people so I pulled the list after all cause some of these people I just didn't remember was even here... Like Pral or John Snow.

1. Tiinker - He played a mean mafia game so I'm kinda hesitant to give him any kind of town lean until I feel much mo betta about him. I should have remembered he was in the game though... I blame just eating lunch and only getting about 3 hours of sleep lol

2. Nolder

3. Kat - lock town

4. Dice - seems very diceish. I'd say probably town lean.

5. WiFi

6. Hallia

7. John Snow - I had forgotten he was here.

8. Darthe

9. Zander/Cass

10. Pral - I can't even remember when he posted... and I don't care enough to go back and find it.

11. Hellian

12. Believer - Don't really know how to take him. He was very..... carefree last game but I don't think that's his normal game. I think he had a IDC attitude because he could be mod cleared at any time. He has been very absent from thread, but he did explain and I"m willing to give more time.

13. Ironeyes

14. Shad

Everyone else I think I covered in the other one.

Can you define "diceish" for us? What does that mean exactly? Are you saying he's acting in his meta?

Tiinker · September 22, 2016

If youve requested that I do anything since I was last here you should know that im way too lazy and my time is far too limited, so no.

If you fear that im a wolf, you should know that the fact you have the thought that I might be a wolf is confirmation that im not, as I can and absolutely would fool every one of you. Especially day one.

I think that resolves most mentions of me. In particular I also remember cass asking why dice, and the short answer is that im a goat dice reader. The long answer is that he isnt going to respond well to me calling him a wolf two games in a row and I want to see that response so that I can establish a goat dice read.

bruh.

John Snow · September 22, 2016

If youve requested that I do anything since I was last here you should know that im way too lazy and my time is far too limited, so no.

If you fear that im a wolf, you should know that the fact you have the thought that I might be a wolf is confirmation that im not, as I can and absolutely would fool every one of you. Especially day one.

I think that resolves most mentions of me. In particular I also remember cass asking why dice, and the short answer is that im a goat dice reader. The long answer is that he isnt going to respond well to me calling him a wolf two games in a row and I want to see that response so that I can establish a goat dice read.

Don't make me find the game where you said "Darthe does what Darthe wants. Darthe will do absolutely anything as any alignment.'

Or something to that effect.

Darthe · September 22, 2016

Nolder - meh. He came in seemed to pick a bit of a fight and then said he was gonna put someone on ignore and I haven't seen a lot more out of him. Maybe he accidentally put the whole thread on ignore?? lol idk.

WAT

I agree with kat. Most of your posts are instigative and the ones that arent are crap, which is also usually instigative. You may well be town but ive not got much to show that beyond my own interpretations of your early game. Tbf what I thought was grass beating (and still do) could easily appear to another to be stirring the pot.

Ironeyes · September 22, 2016

@Iron

Re: 11: idgaf if everyone else thinks he's town. I posted my reads list. Not the town's reads list. And all I saw there was something that my gut didn't like and I couldn't put my finger on.

Re 13: I didn't say that your reads was your only game related post. I said that it feels like you have more content then you actually do when you read your iso.

You said my content was mostly fluff and implied that my read list was the only part that wasn't.

13. Ironeyes-Scum-Reads list looks good, but a lot of fluff. A lot of "well this happened in DC" and (fake?) confusion. It feels like he's got a lot more content than he does until you ISO him.

Nolder · September 22, 2016

unless Hallia and Hellian are teammates? Maybe? possibly?

Plot twist: they are cousins.

Darthe · September 22, 2016

If youve requested that I do anything since I was last here you should know that im way too lazy and my time is far too limited, so no.

If you fear that im a wolf, you should know that the fact you have the thought that I might be a wolf is confirmation that im not, as I can and absolutely would fool every one of you. Especially day one.

I think that resolves most mentions of me. In particular I also remember cass asking why dice, and the short answer is that im a goat dice reader. The long answer is that he isnt going to respond well to me calling him a wolf two games in a row and I want to see that response so that I can establish a goat dice read.

Don't make me find the game where you said "Darthe does what Darthe wants. Darthe will do absolutely anything as any alignment.'

Or something to that effect.

It holds true. See: My last wolf game I just threw away a flawless victory for raisons

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