Tarmon Gaidon [Advanced Mafia] Game Over

[Shad_]

Marsh

Shad

 

Zass (huge deepwolf potential, if kat is town they go to the bottom)

Wild

 

Laya

 

Kat

Do you think Kat and Pral were bussing in QT last night?

[Wildfire Sedai]

OKay....from these posts: 

 

 

I don't know why this is even an issue. I thought commuter was always an individual role. If he could commute someone else he'd be a jailor

Jailors can still be targeted.

Commuters can be just self-commute or they can be a sort of commuter/jailor hybrid. Same role name is usually applied to both.

Not relevant here, just fyi

 

 

 

 

 

I don't know why this is even an issue. I thought commuter was always an individual role. If he could commute someone else he'd be a jailor

Jailors can still be targeted.

Commuters can be just self-commute or they can be a sort of commuter/jailor hybrid. Same role name is usually applied to both.

Not relevant here, just fyi

 

lol I have no idea why this links to a Tiink post. It's an Iron post.

 

 

 

I am saying that Darthe is a Jailor.

[Wildfire Sedai]

or the hybrid....thingee....   

[Zander?]

 

 

honestly my gut is saying [v]Believer[/v] right now. Though I don't know. It is bothering me that Hallian hasn't showed up today AT ALL

Hellian flips Scum Kats Wolf Equity rises imo.

Super lvl 1 post

 

 

Ok Ive got a few more of these type posts in here.

 

Darthe's starts what I consider to be belittling me here.

 

Now I know this could just be Darthe being Darthe.

 

[V] hellian [/v] literally just so I'm voting today

 

Again this post is just awful imo.

 

Z I really do expect more of you than that post though

 

More of the belittling imo.

 

 

I dont want Believer lynched today.

 

He has till tomorrow.

 

If something doesnt happen to change then lunch him with fire!!!!!!

Props for saying a thing I would have if I was here

 

 

Again, whats the point of saying this?

 

Probable Darthe answer...i agreed with you ffs.

 

But its kinda funny when you consider how Darthe works for his lynch the next day when Believer started to actually started to put in more work

 

And oh ya, Believer was not only Town but Town!Darthe would have had to assume we had not 1 not 2 but 3 competing Scum trains D1.

 

I can vouch for my statements in the QT. I said exactly what I meant and I havent seen anything beyond hally trying to twist it as a slip to give me any reason to not want to say that. I didnt submit a requested place between tel and stedding and it goes to reason that if others didnt that it was selected for them too.

 

Tbqh, im fairly offended that I was accused of making a scum slip as I take a good amount of pride in never having made an unintended slip, something hally should know damn well.

 

What again was your reasoning for not choosing where to go?

 

And did you not choose either night? 

 

I dont recall.

 

 

 

 

 

I can vouch for my statements in the QT. I said exactly what I meant and I havent seen anything beyond hally trying to twist it as a slip to give me any reason to not want to say that. I didnt submit a requested place between tel and stedding and it goes to reason that if others didnt that it was selected for them too.

 

Tbqh, im fairly offended that I was accused of making a scum slip as I take a good amount of pride in never having made an unintended slip, something hally should know damn well.

"If you say that you are offended, I am still waiting to hear what your argument is".

Lol witty quotes dont make for valid points, but this ones pretty simple. My arguments in bold in your quoted post.

The scum slip isn't the QT you went to, it's the posts you made after the deadline at EoD.

 

The witty quote is the valid point, in this case.

Lol this is so wolfy, if anything I would think those were townie but its not quite appropriate to discuss.

 

 

Prolly not Wolfy imo

 

 

 

Again, gonna clarify that these are off the cuff

 

1. Tiinker town prob, like his train if though, can follow, good presence

2. Nolder dead

3. Kat I think others have made good points om her but I habitually and accidentally skim her so ive little to add of my own beyond that id kill her over me

4. Dice really clean game frm him, responded well to me early on

5. WiFi looks like wifi. I have no idea, but maybe clean

6. Hallia clean, a bit overly aggressive for what I think of as town hally, solid claim though

7. John Snow dead

8. Darthe me

9. Zander/Cass love this slot, tinfoils only and.theyre rare

10. Pral playing solid, louder than old laya

11. Hellian dead

12. Believer why didnt hellian execute you ywsterday? Combined with what ive found to be pretty manipulative play, specifically the rigidity of forcing people to read him (her?) Logically and attempts to refute evrything. It looks defensive and twisty, to be brief

13. Ironeyes liled him from the beginning, I think he has awesome presence and I can follow his thoughts

14. Shad basically the same said above about marsh, sans a bit of tinfoil here as well but thats mostly cleared up at this point

 

Kat still being super sussed yet Darthe wont read her.

 

Doesnt express any real doubts in Hallia's Doc claim here even with the fact hes claiming to be a Multi Shot Commuter

 

And even removing the fact we know Believer is Town.  His reasoning seems weird here.

 

 

Hola, slow day indeed. Wild idk where you stand on me based on your iso. Partly because I couldnt figure out why I got some of the +s and -s I got.

 

I do think you should flip shad and believer though. That would essentially make your list consensus if I've followed correctly.

 

 

I saw a couple folks ask me to iso kat, but I dont see much need to tbh. She is gonna die with or without my input, and that says enough for me atm considering that my town reAds have been the majority of my focus and she isnt one of them.

 

Again I just dont see how Town!Darthe isnt trying to flush out this read.

[Wildfire Sedai]

I am gonna be afk till 5:30ish cause of supper

[Shad_]

@ people who'd questioned why Believer was not executed, was this discussed in N1 QT?

[BFG]

D3 Votecount

 

 

Kat (4): Tiinker, Shad, Darthe, Ironeyes

 

Darthe (4): Zass, Hallia, Pral, WiFi

 

 

Not Voting (1): Kat

 

[Shad_]

I'm honestly not that far yet. I see you and wifi detracting actively from kat when its a sure thing and it just seems like trying to stay the noose. Thats my connection. If kat isnt a wolf I know one lf wifi or laya is because laya is classic wolf laya. Drop in with a safe, if good point, then disappear for a day. He has 50 ish posts and most came early, which he has learned establishes him.

 

Thats how ive developed these reads. Remember, my head wasnt half here before this day.

Heh, Kat's case against Pral was that he had almost no posts early.  (I think she specified 8.)

[Darthe]

OKay....from these posts: 

 

 

 

I don't know why this is even an issue. I thought commuter was always an individual role. If he could commute someone else he'd be a jailor

 

Jailors can still be targeted.

Commuters can be just self-commute or they can be a sort of commuter/jailor hybrid. Same role name is usually applied to both.

Not relevant here, just fyi

 

 

 

 

I don't know why this is even an issue. I thought commuter was always an individual role. If he could commute someone else he'd be a jailor

 

Jailors can still be targeted.

Commuters can be just self-commute or they can be a sort of commuter/jailor hybrid. Same role name is usually applied to both.

Not relevant here, just fyi

lol I have no idea why this links to a Tiink post. It's an Iron post.

 

 

I am saying that Darthe is a Jailor.

Wow. Such case.

[Darthe]

Do me a favor and nuke wifi post death. Idc if we lose, this is ridiculous.

[Shad_]

Can someone give me some Shad scum games to read through? 

 

most recent that were straight scum and not 3p/multi:

 

Ghostbusters ~~I was pretty burnt out.

 

Town of Salem was a garbage game.

 

Minions ~~subbed in late and already up for a lynch, yolo'd and got a few people to vote with me but eventually Kat and Leelou took me down.

 

Friends ~~this one I'm proud of

 

World's End ~~I was really sick in this one and couldn't keep up with the CoryZanderPizza triforce.

[Darthe]

Which, btw, y'all are gonna lose if wolves aren't obvious.

[Zander?]

[V] kat [/v] I dont wanna die

 

6 hours before DL in a non hammer game is sketch imo.

 

Like I guess what Im saying is id be less bothered by this vote if he didnt even give a reason or listed  different reason.

 

 

 

Occams razor says im just lazy or irl busy as I mentioned pre game and at game start

Maybe, but why Kat instead of Believer?

Believer isnt getting lynched today, thats pretty obvious.

 

 

Pretty obv imo.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wild is going to vote me. She is using every excuse in the book but staying off. Ive really thought I had my read of her down but I had an oh **** moment when right after I justified my read to sooh she made that comment about...... Seriously ive say here for two minutes. What role was it? Gladiator? Something that she said "x role, if thats even a thing" or something along those lines. Shad asked how she would even know about it.

Is this based on the assumption WIfi/Kat w/w???

No, sadly. I dont think this is beyond a town wifi, I simply think that it looks very bad for her since im aware of my alignment. Now, that said I think if wifi is a wolf then that prob confirms kat at one, but the inverse doesn't have to be true.

So Scum!Wifi means Scum!Kat

 

But Scum!Kat dont mean Scum!Wifi?

 

Just want to make sure Im following.

 

Do you think Kat is Scum? Why or Why not?

 

I know youre voting her but for pretty much just self pres reasons iirc

Ive no idea, I never iso'd her or really read her posts and the arguments against her hasade sense but havent been what I consider strong. They're mostly meta which I dont know anyhow.

You refuse to ISO or look into the most sussed person in the game and Top choice for lynch yet youre working on Wifi.....seems legit.....

yet your vote is still on me...

Dont try and tilt, you're not there.

 

 

This is helluva awkward imo.

 

 

Darthe for lynch.

You best make sure you kill me

 

 

 

 

Darthe for lynch.

You best make sure you kill me

 

 

This was the thing i was referring to here about what CassGOATENFPMUSICTWIN mentioned in our QT.

 

I dunno if were just liek out and left field

 

But this feels like fear mongering

 

Cass suggested Darthe might be like a Bomb or something.

 

 

Zander I'm seriously about to give up. You're not gonna give me a chance, you're going to push the lynch on me and no one else is going to show up to change it. Darthe is gonna vote me for self preservation and Beleiver is gonna continue to scum it up and you will ignore him because he isn't that scummy in the QT, I have given my reads list which you haven't looked at that i can tell besides to tell me I forgot to paste tiink on it.

 

Arent you voting me over believe? Im voting you over believe because I dont have the votes on believe. I dont care about you.

 

 

 

[V] believer [/v] all in I Gotta drive home bbs

 

Odd considering the post above that he posted 6 mins before.

 

I can't work my power in a stedding, its why I abstained from being in a group but its apparently not an option

 

And you choose to not choose to go there and use because you think Wolves are scared of you...

[Darthe]

I love watching.You waste your time. Its the pettiest revenge I can get for what a pain youve been.

 

Congrats, you aired out all the things you found wrong with my half not here, inattentive play in a 100 page game you soent 90 pages painting me as a villain in.

 

Youre still wrong, im still town, and its a massive failure on your part to not recognize that after all this effort.

[Darthe]

[unvote]

[Darthe]

Wifi, kat, zander deep wolf

[Darthe]

Gl

[Wildfire Sedai]

 

[V] kat [/v] I dont wanna die

 

6 hours before DL in a non hammer game is sketch imo.

 

Like I guess what Im saying is id be less bothered by this vote if he didnt even give a reason or listed  different reason.

 

 

 

Occams razor says im just lazy or irl busy as I mentioned pre game and at game start

Maybe, but why Kat instead of Believer?

Believer isnt getting lynched today, thats pretty obvious.

 

 

Pretty obv imo.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wild is going to vote me. She is using every excuse in the book but staying off. Ive really thought I had my read of her down but I had an oh **** moment when right after I justified my read to sooh she made that comment about...... Seriously ive say here for two minutes. What role was it? Gladiator? Something that she said "x role, if thats even a thing" or something along those lines. Shad asked how she would even know about it.

Is this based on the assumption WIfi/Kat w/w???

No, sadly. I dont think this is beyond a town wifi, I simply think that it looks very bad for her since im aware of my alignment. Now, that said I think if wifi is a wolf then that prob confirms kat at one, but the inverse doesn't have to be true.

So Scum!Wifi means Scum!Kat

 

But Scum!Kat dont mean Scum!Wifi?

 

Just want to make sure Im following.

 

Do you think Kat is Scum? Why or Why not?

 

I know youre voting her but for pretty much just self pres reasons iirc

Ive no idea, I never iso'd her or really read her posts and the arguments against her hasade sense but havent been what I consider strong. They're mostly meta which I dont know anyhow.

You refuse to ISO or look into the most sussed person in the game and Top choice for lynch yet youre working on Wifi.....seems legit.....

yet your vote is still on me...

Dont try and tilt, you're not there.

 

 

This is helluva awkward imo.

 

 

Darthe for lynch.

You best make sure you kill me

 

 

 

 

Darthe for lynch.

You best make sure you kill me

 

 

This was the thing i was referring to here about what CassGOATENFPMUSICTWIN mentioned in our QT.

 

I dunno if were just liek out and left field

 

But this feels like fear mongering

Wildfire suggested Darthe might be like a Bomb or something.

 

 

Zander I'm seriously about to give up. You're not gonna give me a chance, you're going to push the lynch on me and no one else is going to show up to change it. Darthe is gonna vote me for self preservation and Beleiver is gonna continue to scum it up and you will ignore him because he isn't that scummy in the QT, I have given my reads list which you haven't looked at that i can tell besides to tell me I forgot to paste tiink on it.

 

Arent you voting me over believe? Im voting you over believe because I dont have the votes on believe. I dont care about you.

 

 

 

[V] believer [/v] all in I Gotta drive home bbs

 

Odd considering the post above that he posted 6 mins before.

 

I can't work my power in a stedding, its why I abstained from being in a group but its apparently not an option

 

And you choose to not choose to go there and use because you think Wolves are scared of you...

 

 

FTFY

[Zander?]

 

 

Screw everything [unvote] [v]Believer[/v]

Please read my claim and reconsider.

So if you get nkd wouldn't you die? Hard to imagine you me and a doc

 

 

Funny Ive felt the same way for awhile now....

 

I was in stedding and didnt commute as a result.

 

So you state you thought youd be the NK because the Wolves are scared of you but still dont commute.

 

I dont get it.

 

Am I missing something?

 

 

 

Am I like an absolute moron here or something? Dice had to send in an NA "Dark One's Hound" to be protected from mafia NKs right? Why is Hallia GOAT doc I don't get it.

Well depending how she answers my last question youll see but not even that....

 

Do you think theres a Doc in the game? Y/N

 

If yes....has anyone CC'd Hallia?

 

If no....do you think someone will?

 

If no.....then seems like Hallia prolly is the Doc and both people she protected are still alive.

Seems reasonable with the NAs. I was just tinfoiling on her earlier in the QT, and tink, but now it's hard to imagine she isnt doc.

 

 

 

 

If Dice got killed by mafia why does that make Hallia GOAT.

There have been two kills before, there was one tonight and zander thinks we have an SK and wolves shot elsewhere. Dices flip corroborates that. Ergo, hally prob is the real doc and prob saved marsh which 99.9% confirms both

 

 

I said Marsh had to be Vig or SK based on the John Snow kill and the fact we had 2 kills.

 

 

 

Dude I prob shouldn't be talking tbh.  I'm fairly annoyed that I'm in the PoE with seemingly no outside suspects right now, so I hope you don't mind if that shines through some.

 

Ummmmm.....you heard of Kat before?

 

 

[V] kat [/v] I dont want us to go through this tomorrow. Lynch her and we can chat from there.

Ftr this is entirely because I trust yall more than me and im aware that it i lead a wifi cfd and then she is town and kats a wolf I basically sign my death warrant. This is me safing to an extent.

 

 

Why are you safing this point at all???

[Darthe]

Earnestly gfy with sometHing sharp, did I make a Goodman post this game you don't have an issue with? Utter horse shit

[BFG]

D3 Votecount

 

 

Kat (3): Tiinker, Shad, Ironeyes

 

Darthe (4): Zass, Hallia, Pral, WiFi

 

 

Not Voting (2): Darthe, Kat

 

[Zander?]

I can't commute others Cass, just me.  If I could commute others I would have hard CC'd Hally.

 

I was in stedding because I again didn't submit.  I wanted to get the NK since it was + ev at the time.  Now, I've made sure to submit TEL

 

 

 

 

I can't commute others Cass, just me. If I could commute others I would have hard CC'd Hally.

 

I was in stedding because I again didn't submit. I wanted to get the NK since it was + ev at the time. Now, I've made sure to submit TEL

Interesting. Why would you have drawn a NK when you were one of the top trains for a lynch the day before?

Threat of lategame comeback that wolves cant escape. It would be a bad idea for them to kill, but I pushed it in the qt just to see if it might happen.

 

 

Ummmm am I missing something???

[Cass]

FYI

Darthe's attitude here is exactly like the last game I caught him out as wolf.

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=search&andor_type=&sid=77020e8198216b6ca81331d0f1b76532&search_author=Darthe&search_app_filters[forums][sortKey]=date&search_app_filters[forums][sortDir]=1&cType=topic&cId=91702&search_content=both&search_app_filters[forums][sortKey]=date&search_app_filters[forums][sortDir]=1&search_app_filters[forums][noPreview]=1&search_app_filters[forums][pCount]=&search_app_filters[forums][pViews]=&search_app_filters[forums][searchInKey]=&search_term=&search_app=forums&st=300

 

 

Eg.

 

 

I have no need for super long drawn out casings, it's not my style and I don't feel I need it.  

 

I started to point out what didn't fly with me regarding Krak, and when I posted it you attempted to undermine me on it.  He later flipped scum.

 

You are exactly the type of scum player to bus fellow teammates, so when people say that you went after Kivam, that could've easily been that.

 

I think that you would leave me alive as scum and try to do what you did this morning, discredit my play and try to get me lynched at a later date as the GFSK.

 

You have the exact need to validate your arguments in some manner since right now all you're doing is blowing smoke.  Quote something.  Give me a page link.  If you aren't willing to put ten minutes worth of work into a case you're the exact waste that I called you in the first place.  

 

And yes, I absolutely would bus a teammate if I thought it was warranted.  Your arguing not that I could do something but that I did do it.  Those are worlds apart.  Show something for it.  I can't refute blither Hallia.  

 

Your case against me thus far is "Darthe interracted with me one time though I won't show you how but it was bad" and "He has bussed people so he prob bussed someone and I'm alive so that he can change his whole stance on me at the last moment and get me lynched".  

 It's such a bad case Hally that it does more to harm you than it does me.

 

 

way to go Des... you're playing into scum's hands, doing exactly what they hope would happen.

You make it so difficult to defend you.

 

 

All if Darthe's negativity and whining makes zero sense from a townie in this scenario.

We've got three dead scum so far. Are were prob the tougher ones to pull off as well- GF, Top Tier player, and lurking scum. Plenty of useful spew to find last mafioso.

Finding SK is a bit tougher, but still not impossible, just need good POE and townies towntelling.

If he IS town he need a to learn to not be such an ass and act like the game is AIDS when town is actually doing okay. So win win since at the very least thread environment would be more enjoyable.

So I should lay over and die because town wants to take a foolish course of action over a pragmatic one?  Don't forget how many games are lost by killing every active player and then out-WIMing the rest.  And yeah, when I am a target based on heavy tinfoils the game is AIDs.  This isn't and hasn't been a push grounded in logic.  This game was at a standstill and people jumped on what felt convenient.  

 

 

##[unvote]

[V]##Darthe[/v]

Kill it with fire

For having a rough day or for playing a town game or for being active when nobody else was?

Pick your poison.

How about for being scum?

If I was it would make today at least comfortable.

[Wildfire Sedai]

CASS: that majorly doesn't work

[Cass]

 

I mean you all said not to claim so I am not going to claim but I know darthe is lying about something I just can't say what without revealing my role.  

 

 

Why don't you think about it a little bit, I am sure you will come up with something.  Unless you have lied about multiple things and want to get your story straight?

If you have a result on Darthe that proves he's wolf to you,

 

a) what is it?

 

b) why not vote him straight away?