Tarmon Gaidon [Advanced Mafia] Game Over

[Tiinker]

This just reads like literal thread clutter to me. Maybe you should both just take a break for a while. The mass quotes and general miscommunication. Lol.

[Zander?]

I gotta admit I haven't understand a lot of what Zass has been saying this game. Let's just lynch Kat for god's sake because we'll have Darthe tomorrow if we're wrong and it means we can have a different discussion. I'm more willing to buy Darthe being town over Kat. If she's town then we lynch Darthe tomorrow.

 

 

Lynch Kat today - Kat turns out town - Darthe is toast

Lynch Darthe today - Darthe turns out town - Kat is toast

 

It's the exact same progression. However,

 

Lynch Kat today - Kat turns out scum - Darthe is very likely not scum and we can benefit massively from his commuting

Lynch Darthe today - Darthe turns out scum - We get a 1x track 

 

What dont you understand that were saying?

 

Ask and maybe we can clarify.

 

I said start of Day I want Kat or Darthe today.

 

That has not changed.

 

You feel Kat is SCummier then Darthe?

 

Explain why please?

 

If we do lynch Darthe you think is flip either way should clear or look really bad for Hallia?

 

Especially since he corrected me and stated its more then x1.

 

Like if Darthe's Town he's basically has x # of BPV's

 

Dice had an x1 ability that could stop a Maf NK.

 

Dice had another ability to POSS give a BPV to someone else.

 

Believer basically had a BPV as well.

 

With all this info already laid out.

 

I dont see there being BOTH Doc and a Commuter tbqh.

 

 

 

 

@Darthe

 

Your claiming your role is only self-protecting yea?

He said that, yea.

 

I don't know why this is even an issue. I thought commuter was always an individual role. If he could commute someone else he'd be a jailor

 

 

Commuter can also move people in some setups.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He could have gone to TAR n2 and used his ability and I don't see how it's logical to think he'd draw the nk given where he was at ITT D2.

@Darthe - please explain how your role works and the motivation behind going to TAR tonight and night 1 but not N2.

Holy shit, I DIDNT SUBMIT A LOCATION. THERES NO GODDAMN MOTIVATION FOR WHERE I WOUND UP

You're missing the point/question.

I'm asking why n3 is different to n2 for you.

Why you care where you end up n3 if you didn't care n2.

Why you would specifically choose to go to TAR tonight because:

I was in stedding because I again didn't submit. I wanted to get the NK since it was + ev at the time. Now, I've made sure to submit TEL

a) I don't believe you'd believe you'd be a legit choice for NK N2 after contention on you D2;

b) You made a point here that you've made sure to submit to TAR

My power starts to matter if I show that I can live through another day, especially if kat is a wolf. Do you think my reaction to you was a wolf or town reaction?

Can you explain the bold?

And your reaction could go either way.

Imagine a confirmed town player who can't be killed. Thats been my goal and I sware ive said that like three times now. All I need Is a peek or to clear myself which, I think, can be done.

 

So why were you 'hoping to draw the NK'?

Exained multiple times. Read the thread

 

 

He said it was basically Wolves would be scared of him and his greatness later.

 

Am i wrong on this Darthe?

 

You know, if the OP ever reflected dead people this would be so much easier to keep track of.

 

You know if you try actually reading the thread you would see that shes done that.

 

Marsh

Shad

 

Zass (huge deepwolf potential, if kat is town they go to the bottom)

Wild

 

Laya

 

Kat

 

Raisins please.

 

Also what about Tink???

[Cass]

This just reads like literal thread clutter to me. Maybe you should both just take a break for a while. The mass quotes and general miscommunication. Lol.

 

It's getting that way, but I'm glad the thread's alive again.

 

I've gotta get going and am not sure how much I'll be able to be around from here so Z's in charge of our hydra with instructions to lynch a Wolf .

 

Nobody's come back with a call on whether or not there's a likely cop in this game. 

 

 

That info could be really handy before EoD... 

[Shad_]

Wow, 7 pages to catch up on?

[Zander?]

 

Marsh

Shad

 

Zass (huge deepwolf potential, if kat is town they go to the bottom)

Wild

 

Laya

 

Kat

 

Why do I always get left off these lists?

 

 

Dont worry boo, I havent forgotten you....

 

 

I'm honestly not that far yet. I see you and wifi detracting actively from kat when its a sure thing and it just seems like trying to stay the noose. Thats my connection. If kat isnt a wolf I know one lf wifi or laya is because laya is classic wolf laya. Drop in with a safe, if good point, then disappear for a day. He has 50 ish posts and most came early, which he has learned establishes him.

 

Thats how ive developed these reads. Remember, my head wasnt half here before this day.

 

Im detracting from a Kat lynch????

 

Seriously???

 

So are we only Wolves if Kat is according to this?

 

How do kat and wifi connect?

 

 

 

For the record I don't hate the idea of leaving Darthe alive. He is showing a lot more interest in helping the town now and I'm curious to see where that goes.

Do you think a Darthe!Town flip looks bad for Hallia?

 

Do you think a Darthe!Scum flip clears her?

 

 

 

Im todays lynch over kat btw. Wild will hop on me to tie it and kat isnt voting yet, but I bet you she finds a way to miraculously show up.

 

 

You guys know im town. Theres never been a darthe in this history of darthes thats this impassioned, has this wim, or manages to make these points at his lynch.

 

If you dont see that, you may as well go ahead and quit, this game isnt for your town.

Stop the WIM lol seriously. If there's this much pressure on you and it's lasted this long maybe you should really consider that you haven't played your best town game.

 

The bold is something that I also want to avoid.

Agree with the first line

 

and

 

disagree with the second

 

I want to show up like now and see what she has to say.

 

Well im glad to know you dont hate it.

It's more than that. I think I see someone or someones trying to save Kat again. Last EoD there was a sudden CFD that saved her, and now they're doing it again but early because there's a chance that the deadline comes soon. It makes me want to lynch Kat all the more.

Who are these people, can you show us examples and can you tell us what your reads on these people are please?

I want to see Shad case someone not Kat or Darthe. I've been relying on him in a lot of ways to bounce ideas off but he hasn't said much about me or anyone else really. Trying to fly under the radar while maintaining a strong position while everyone is preoccupied?

I can def see a world where Town!Shad is legit atp needing a flip to make sense of things.

 

That said Shad is still my deepwolf candidate.

@first quote: I think Hallia is mostly town either way, because I can't look past the uncontested doc claim. I'm willing to accept there being a doc here despite all the protective roles because there is a corresponding preponderance of extra kills. I had one, Dice had one, scum had a strongman (which would be less useful if there were no doc).

 

@third quote I need to analyze the trains to do that but I'm on mobile, so it'll have to wait for later

 

 

You have a protective role as well???

 

Is that what you mentioned in the QT last night or something different???

[Shad_]

 

 

I saw some stuff on that - did he say he purposefully went somewhere he couldn't use it?

 

His explanation in QT was that he didn't pick again to see if it always defaulted to Tel or if it could send him to the Stedding.

 

 

 

Does that contradict to how he worded it here??

 

I don't believe so. You can certainly question the decision but I don't think he made any sort of slip here.

[Shad_]

How do we know what would've been provided and what wouldn't?

 

Is Commuter an unlikely safe claim?

I'm not the mod. /shrug

[Zander?]

This just reads like literal thread clutter to me. Maybe you should both just take a break for a while. The mass quotes and general miscommunication. Lol.

 

OK you twisted my arm....no more Multi quotes!!!!!

 

lolololololol

[Darthe]

 

I'm honestly not that far yet. I see you and wifi detracting actively from kat when its a sure thing and it just seems like trying to stay the noose. Thats my connection. If kat isnt a wolf I know one lf wifi or laya is because laya is classic wolf laya. Drop in with a safe, if good point, then disappear for a day. He has 50 ish posts and most came early, which he has learned establishes him.

Thats how ive developed these reads. Remember, my head wasnt half here before this day.

 

 

This is what I see with you wrt Believer.

 

This was more about going after you than detracting from Kat.

 

How is what you describe different to what Laya does as Town?

Town laya, one he sticks a real read, goes at it. He Also doesn't totally fall off as the game progresses. Look at last game x where I was a wolf and he saw it. Huge difference.

[Ironeyes]

You have a protective role as well???

 

Is that what you mentioned in the QT last night or something different???

I meant that I had an extra kill.

[Shad_]

 

@Cass If scum can pull players to the Stedding and Halli's claim is true they could have just moved her and shot her in the face N1.I would guess that even if the ability is real it's a one-way street.

You mean like moving Kat and using JS' role cop?

 

But true

That's pretty much what I'm worried happens to the claimed Doc if they're not mislynched by D3

 

Kat claimed to be moved to Tel from the Stedding. No one has claimed to be moved from to the Stedding from Tel.

 

Kat's the one who presented the theory that she was moved there so they could role cop her. I don't exactly trust Kat right now.

 

EoD1 made her an obvious suspect rolling into D2. If she's a villager wolves could realistically expect her to be forced to claim D2 (and guess what?  She claimed D2), so wasting their RC peek on her vs on someone in the middle of the pack would be silly.

 

Doesn't mean wolves necessarily pay attention to claims--literally no one outside of DT caught cop!Kat claiming a peek on Lenlo in my last game, somehow. But I think that Kat, if a villager, would generally be one of the least likely players in the game to draw a scum role cop peek on N1. 

[Zander?]

 

 

 

I saw some stuff on that - did he say he purposefully went somewhere he couldn't use it?

 

His explanation in QT was that he didn't pick again to see if it always defaulted to Tel or if it could send him to the Stedding.

 

 

 

Does that contradict to how he worded it here??

 

I don't believe so. You can certainly question the decision but I don't think he made any sort of slip here.

 

 

 

 

How do we know what would've been provided and what wouldn't?

 

Is Commuter an unlikely safe claim?

I'm not the mod. /shrug

 

 

Cass called this out in the QT and Im inclined to agree with her, you seem pretty hedgey on a lot of stuff.

 

Some things I get but others not so much,

 

Yes Shad we know youre not the Mod but you still should have a personal opinion on it imo.

[Shad_]

Should read "Kat claimed to be moved to Tel from the Stedding. No one has claimed to be moved to the Stedding from Tel."

[Darthe]

 

I'm honestly not that far yet. I see you and wifi detracting actively from kat when its a sure thing and it just seems like trying to stay the noose. Thats my connection. If kat isnt a wolf I know one lf wifi or laya is because laya is classic wolf laya. Drop in with a safe, if good point, then disappear for a day. He has 50 ish posts and most came early, which he has learned establishes him.

Thats how ive developed these reads. Remember, my head wasnt half here before this day.

 

 

This is what I see with you wrt Believer.

 

This was more about going after you than detracting from Kat.

 

How is what you describe different to what Laya does as Town?

Town laya, one he sticks a real read, goes at it. He Also doesn't totally fall off as the game progresses. Look at last game x where I was a wolf and he saw it. Huge difference.

 

 

 

 

Holy shit, I DIDNT SUBMIT A LOCATION. THERES NO GODDAMN MOTIVATION FOR WHERE I WOUND UP

 If you are actually town this game, you have made some awful decisions this game. Not resolving kat D2 and instead moving onto Believer who was more or less confirmed town, not choosing you abilities, trying to draw NK etc. I don't see these coming from town you, frankly. 

 Pretty much this. Plus concern over the fact that you've hedged on Hallia and shaded the idea of Doc while lynching Believer.And the fact that Hallia is still alive as claimed Doc. And the fact that a role which can drag players to TAR makes sense for scum. And that Kat being dragged to TAR lines up with the last time you were in TAR, the only place you can use your powers. And you're going to TAR again tonight. We're happy with a Kat/Darthe lynch today and have said as much, the hedging and possibilities above is the reason I want you resolved first. Yes, it's a jump.  If it's not you though, then who? I'm glad to see you've got some WIM. I guarantee you it's not us.

I couldnt know those were bad plays til I did them, that points stupid. Flat stupid.No clue why hally is alive, thats not a point against me though, its more a question that youre treating like an accusation.The third point you literally ****ing made up. Why do I have to keep saying this? It's also utterly irrelevant because it has nothing to do with *me specifically*. It's about wolves in general.Kat being dragged to Tar says you believe her. That says you know she Is telling the truth, which doesnt line up with your slot wanting to resolve her or calling us w/w. Good luck explaining that internal conflict.Lol wait, so you believe her and are good to lynch me using that as evidence but your next line youre totally ok with resolving her still? Thats talking out both sides of your mouth plain as day.If not me then who is also a case.Congrats, youve managed to recant five things utterly irrelevant to my alignment a dozen times across twenty pages and you expect me to believe that you honestly think those have baring on my alignment?Get rekt, youre a wolf or youre useless this game, either way youre better dead.

 No. Don't get narky/avoid the question. Read what I'm asking and respond without throwing everything back in my face please. The jump to you is because I think you've played scummy and I think it fits.  I'm asking if it's not you, then who because I think you've played scummy but I'm acknowledging I might be wrong. My point is I'm considering there is a role that drags Town to Scum in TAR. Kat may have been dragged to TAR by scum. I'm thinking if Kat's not lying, it may have been you. I'm asking for your thoughts/opinions - they don't have to be centered around you defending you.   And the last part is just OTT.  I/we may be wrong but we're not Scum and we're not useless - we're full of WIM, we lunched a wolf, we've got two likely in our sights IMO and did I mention WIM? This is important, and I guarantee you we are Town. Comments like you repeatedly make to players like that are demotivating and -ev for Town. If that's the way you're going to approach people attempting to actually solve, you shouldn't be surprised when I'm sus about you for that attitude combined with posts like:   

 

 

[V] believer [/v] I liked the reasons.discussed in the QT

What are your thoughts on Kat Darthe?Any reads to share man?

Kat ive not payed much attention to. I know y'all wanna full list but its not in the cards tonight guys, maybe in the morning.

  

[V] believer [/v] I liked the reasons.discussed in the QT

  

[V] hellian [/v] literally just so I'm voting today

  

Darest I say that zander and cass have pinged me a few times? I darest, but I do recognize that it's prob a factor of how many posts they have, or my inherent aversion to chumminess.

  

Ima roll with it [V] kat [/v]

 

  

 

 

[V] believer [/v] I liked the reasons.discussed in the QT

What are your thoughts on Kat Darthe? Any reads to share man?

Kat ive not payed much attention to. I know y'all wanna full list but its not in the cards tonight guys, maybe in the morning.  

   

[V] believer [/v] I liked the reasons.discussed in the QT

   

[V] hellian [/v] literally just so I'm voting today

   

Darest I say that zander and cass have pinged me a few times? I darest, but I do recognize that it's prob a factor of how many posts they have, or my inherent aversion to chumminess.

   

Ima roll with it [V] kat [/v]  

That's an excellent response and I'm so sorry for flaming you. I don't follow your reasoning but I really wanted to know if you would get riled and I was right about my fos or not. Worth this I'm retracting the fos, and apologizing, I hope you know I'm aware ive not nearly put in what y'all have and that I don't think you've been useless.

[Shad_]

Cass called this out in the QT and Im inclined to agree with her, you seem pretty hedgey on a lot of stuff.

 

Some things I get but others not so much,

 

Yes Shad we know youre not the Mod but you still should have a personal opinion on it imo.

My personal opinion is that BFG is not a bad mod.

 

If you disagree and think that she would give the wolves really obvious fake claims that is your problem.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

Im todays lynch over kat btw. Wild will hop on me to tie it and kat isnt voting yet, but I bet you she finds a way to miraculously show up.

You guys know im town. Theres never been a darthe in this history of darthes thats this impassioned, has this wim, or manages to make these points at his lynch.

If you dont see that, you may as well go ahead and quit, this game isnt for your town.

 

 

Why do you assume Wild will "hop" on you and Kat will just pop back in?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He could have gone to TAR n2 and used his ability and I don't see how it's logical to think he'd draw the nk given where he was at ITT D2.

@Darthe - please explain how your role works and the motivation behind going to TAR tonight and night 1 but not N2.

 

Holy shit, I DIDNT SUBMIT A LOCATION. THERES NO GODDAMN MOTIVATION FOR WHERE I WOUND UP

You're missing the point/question.

I'm asking why n3 is different to n2 for you.

Why you care where you end up n3 if you didn't care n2.

Why you would specifically choose to go to TAR tonight because:

I was in stedding because I again didn't submit. I wanted to get the NK since it was + ev at the time. Now, I've made sure to submit TEL

 

a) I don't believe you'd believe you'd be a legit choice for NK N2 after contention on you D2;

b) You made a point here that you've made sure to submit to TAR

My power starts to matter if I show that I can live through another day, especially if kat is a wolf. Do you think my reaction to you was a wolf or town reaction?

 

Can you explain the bold?

 

And your reaction could go either way.

 

So you havent used your ability yet?

 

 

Darthe - Do you believe Hallia's claim?

 

Yeah, I really doubted it last night cause three protective roles in game?? But its hard to get past the apparent lack of a wolf kill.

I believed it yesterday over believe and didn't think their could be three protects. Last night I doubted her because he was proven and I know mines real. Today I just look like a moron for doubting, so ive got little chpice but to believe somehow we have three.

Yet another point vouching for my consistency and openness despite *knowing* it would make me look worse.

Can you elaborate on the bolded please cause Im not following?

 

 

 

 

 

 

He could have gone to TAR n2 and used his ability and I don't see how it's logical to think he'd draw the nk given where he was at ITT D2.

@Darthe - please explain how your role works and the motivation behind going to TAR tonight and night 1 but not N2.

 

Holy shit, I DIDNT SUBMIT A LOCATION. THERES NO GODDAMN MOTIVATION FOR WHERE I WOUND UP

You're missing the point/question.

I'm asking why n3 is different to n2 for you.

Why you care where you end up n3 if you didn't care n2.

Why you would specifically choose to go to TAR tonight because:

I was in stedding because I again didn't submit. I wanted to get the NK since it was + ev at the time. Now, I've made sure to submit TEL

 

a) I don't believe you'd believe you'd be a legit choice for NK N2 after contention on you D2;

b) You made a point here that you've made sure to submit to TAR

My power starts to matter if I show that I can live through another day, especially if kat is a wolf. Do you think my reaction to you was a wolf or town reaction?

Can you explain the bold?

And your reaction could go either way.

Imagine a confirmed town player who can't be killed. Thats been my goal and I sware ive said that like three times now. All I need Is a peek or to clear myself which, I think, can be done.

 

How can you CONFIRM yourself Town minus like your flip???

 

And please explain how you cannot be killed when you claim your ability is only x1.

 

 

Am I wasting my time? Do any of you give a damn about trying to clear me if I am villa?

 

 

If youre Town working towards solving the game and knowing you still have the night to work things out shouldnt be considered a waste of time from a Town!Darthe PoV imo.

I can confirm my ability just by using it. When did I claim 1x? Im pretty sure ive only been sayin x shot.

 

Could you answer the rest of the questions please.

 

I recognize that this is a terrible point, but in what works does wolf darthe not take the strongest safe claim in the game?

Does anyone honestly think androl, x shot commuter, is it?

 

 

You are correct about the x shot.

 

My bad

 

Point still stands tho you can still be killed if you live more nights then you have shots tho right?

 

 

 

 

Holy shit, I DIDNT SUBMIT A LOCATION. THERES NO GODDAMN MOTIVATION FOR WHERE I WOUND UP

 

 

If you are actually town this game, you have made some awful decisions this game. Not resolving kat D2 and instead moving onto Believer who was more or less confirmed town, not choosing you abilities, trying to draw NK etc. I don't see these coming from town you, frankly. 

 

Pretty much this. Plus concern over the fact that you've hedged on Hallia and shaded the idea of Doc while lynching Believer.

And the fact that Hallia is still alive as claimed Doc.

 

And the fact that a role which can drag players to TAR makes sense for scum.

 

And that Kat being dragged to TAR lines up with the last time you were in TAR, the only place you can use your powers.

 

And you're going to TAR again tonight.

 

We're happy with a Kat/Darthe lynch today and have said as much, the hedging and possibilities above is the reason I want you resolved first.

 

Yes, it's a jump. 

 

If it's not you though, then who?

 

I'm glad to see you've got some WIM. I guarantee you it's not us.

I couldnt know those were bad plays til I did them, that points stupid. Flat stupid.

No clue why hally is alive, thats not a point against me though, its more a question that youre treating like an accusation.

The third point you literally ****ing made up. Why do I have to keep saying this? It's also utterly irrelevant because it has nothing to do with *me specifically*. It's about wolves in general.

Kat being dragged to Tar says you believe her. That says you know she Is telling the truth, which doesnt line up with your slot wanting to resolve her or calling us w/w. Good luck explaining that internal conflict.

Lol wait, so you believe her and are good to lynch me using that as evidence but your next line youre totally ok with resolving her still? Thats talking out both sides of your mouth plain as day.

If not me then who is also a case.

Congrats, youve managed to recant five things utterly irrelevant to my alignment a dozen times across twenty pages and you expect me to believe that you honestly think those have baring on my alignment?Get rekt, youre a wolf or youre useless this game, either way youre better dead.

 

Dude idgaf if you actually think were Wolves or youre Scum trying to push that.

 

But you saying something like that to Cass again its not gonna be a good scene.

 

CassGOATENFPMUSICTWIN has put a 1,000,000x more effort then you this game.

 

So PLEASE stop and you should be a man and apologize to her.

Unrelated to the game I appreciate you Z. You dont think id let words like that stand thpugh, do you? Cass is a friend.

[Darthe]

 

Cass called this out in the QT and Im inclined to agree with her, you seem pretty hedgey on a lot of stuff. Some things I get but others not so much, Yes Shad we know youre not the Mod but you still should have a personal opinion on it imo.

My personal opinion is that BFG is not a bad mod.If you disagree and think that she would give the wolves really obvious fake claims that is your problem.

I agree, and practically guarantee that a tavaren is a safe claim and at least one of lan, moraine, etc on that level.

[Zander?]

 

 

I'm honestly not that far yet. I see you and wifi detracting actively from kat when its a sure thing and it just seems like trying to stay the noose. Thats my connection. If kat isnt a wolf I know one lf wifi or laya is because laya is classic wolf laya. Drop in with a safe, if good point, then disappear for a day. He has 50 ish posts and most came early, which he has learned establishes him.

Thats how ive developed these reads. Remember, my head wasnt half here before this day.

 

This is what I see with you wrt Believer.

 

This was more about going after you than detracting from Kat.

 

How is what you describe different to what Laya does as Town?

Town laya, one he sticks a real read, goes at it. He Also doesn't totally fall off as the game progresses. Look at last game x where I was a wolf and he saw it. Huge difference.

 

 

Prals been at Kat all game so Im not following your logic here

 

 

You have a protective role as well???

 

Is that what you mentioned in the QT last night or something different???

I meant that I had an extra kill.

 

 

Ok sorry my bad.

 

So you think we can have a Doc, dont know if shes full or not but shes claimed 2 protects so not a x1.

 

So you think a Full or multi shot Doc and a multi shot Commuter make sense together even after all the other x1 protective roles we know people have???

[Darthe]

 

 

 

Well im glad to know you dont hate it.

 

It's more than that. I think I see someone or someones trying to save Kat again. Last EoD there was a sudden CFD that saved her, and now they're doing it again but early because there's a chance that the deadline comes soon. It makes me want to lynch Kat all the more.

Comparing trains would be interesting

 

We have competing trains imo so Im not sure what youre getting at here?

 

 

 

Im todays lynch over kat btw. Wild will hop on me to tie it and kat isnt voting yet, but I bet you she finds a way to miraculously show up.

You guys know im town. Theres never been a darthe in this history of darthes thats this impassioned, has this wim, or manages to make these points at his lynch.

If you dont see that, you may as well go ahead and quit, this game isnt for your town.

 

 

Stop the WIM lol seriously. If there's this much pressure on you and it's lasted this long maybe you should really consider that you haven't played your best town game. 

 

The bold is something that I also want to avoid.

Im fully aware, people expect to see a lot of me to count me as town though. Im not someone anyones ever comfy reading and just trusting that read, so if I dont post at near zander levels and catch a wolf and make all optimal plays I get cased.

I just dont have that in me every game. Keep in mind that im a double grad student with a new job giys, please. I cant do everything all the time to stay where youd like to see me.

 

If we ever like rand masons or Scum together I will loan you some of my WIM!!!!!!!!!

 

lololololol

 

And man if youre Town and it is like legit RL stuff hanging you up IM legit sorry.

 

Believe me I know, you remember the game where Town Lainey and Daarthe ML Town!Znder for #lolisns???

 

 

If kats town I get that nothing is saving me. I dont get why anyone on the outside would ever consider me the better choice to lynch, not in any regard from wolfiness to wim to anything, really.

 

 

Its funny how youre NOW so certain Kats a Wolf when you refused to read or ISO her and blatantly refused to give a read on her for like 2 days imo.

Life happens, that doesnt excuse my misplays with the believe lynch or etc, just hopefully goes towards explaining how I got to those places without solid reads or presence.

 

As for kat, ive no choice but to assume she is a wolf. If I dont then im dead anyhow, everyone has stated it's her or me. So im just rolling with that assumption.

[Shad_]

 

 

 

I actually don't mind either kat or darthe tonight. 

 

Like I said before both of them are suspect based on how D1 and D2 went. I frankly don't have anything new to add.

 

If youre not gonna be around vote darthe imo.

 

 

I will be around for a long time from now. it is just the day starting for me, lol.

 

Anyway,  [unvote]  [v]darthe[/v] works for me.

 

 

You think with Darthe claiming Commuter and Hallia Doc a Darthe!Scum flip should completely lock clear Hallia or just about?

 

How do you feel about Hallia's claim by itself.

 

Then add the res of the game and tell me your read on her please?

 

This I can agree with.  There would not be enough protective roles to justify a multi-use strongman if they were w/w, imo.

[Shad_]

I'm going to have to take off in like 10 minutes, won't be caught up.

[Zander?]

 

 

@Cass If scum can pull players to the Stedding and Halli's claim is true they could have just moved her and shot her in the face N1.I would guess that even if the ability is real it's a one-way street.

You mean like moving Kat and using JS' role cop?

 

But true

That's pretty much what I'm worried happens to the claimed Doc if they're not mislynched by D3

 

Kat claimed to be moved to Tel from the Stedding. No one has claimed to be moved from to the Stedding from Tel.

 

Kat's the one who presented the theory that she was moved there so they could role cop her. I don't exactly trust Kat right now.

 

EoD1 made her an obvious suspect rolling into D2. If she's a villager wolves could realistically expect her to be forced to claim D2 (and guess what?  She claimed D2), so wasting their RC peek on her vs on someone in the middle of the pack would be silly.

 

Doesn't mean wolves necessarily pay attention to claims--literally no one outside of DT caught cop!Kat claiming a peek on Lenlo in my last game, somehow. But I think that Kat, if a villager, would generally be one of the least likely players in the game to draw a scum role cop peek on N1. 

 

 

Which is more likely in Shadland??

 

Kats a Wolf and so is Darthe

 

Kats a Wolf and Darthe is Town

 

Darthe's a Wolf and Kat is Town

 

Neither is a Wolf

 

 

 

 

I'm honestly not that far yet. I see you and wifi detracting actively from kat when its a sure thing and it just seems like trying to stay the noose. Thats my connection. If kat isnt a wolf I know one lf wifi or laya is because laya is classic wolf laya. Drop in with a safe, if good point, then disappear for a day. He has 50 ish posts and most came early, which he has learned establishes him.

Thats how ive developed these reads. Remember, my head wasnt half here before this day.

 

This is what I see with you wrt Believer.

 

This was more about going after you than detracting from Kat.

 

How is what you describe different to what Laya does as Town?

Town laya, one he sticks a real read, goes at it. He Also doesn't totally fall off as the game progresses. Look at last game x where I was a wolf and he saw it. Huge difference.

 

 

 

 

Holy shit, I DIDNT SUBMIT A LOCATION. THERES NO GODDAMN MOTIVATION FOR WHERE I WOUND UP

 If you are actually town this game, you have made some awful decisions this game. Not resolving kat D2 and instead moving onto Believer who was more or less confirmed town, not choosing you abilities, trying to draw NK etc. I don't see these coming from town you, frankly. 

 Pretty much this. Plus concern over the fact that you've hedged on Hallia and shaded the idea of Doc while lynching Believer.And the fact that Hallia is still alive as claimed Doc. And the fact that a role which can drag players to TAR makes sense for scum. And that Kat being dragged to TAR lines up with the last time you were in TAR, the only place you can use your powers. And you're going to TAR again tonight. We're happy with a Kat/Darthe lynch today and have said as much, the hedging and possibilities above is the reason I want you resolved first. Yes, it's a jump.  If it's not you though, then who? I'm glad to see you've got some WIM. I guarantee you it's not us.

I couldnt know those were bad plays til I did them, that points stupid. Flat stupid.No clue why hally is alive, thats not a point against me though, its more a question that youre treating like an accusation.The third point you literally ****ing made up. Why do I have to keep saying this? It's also utterly irrelevant because it has nothing to do with *me specifically*. It's about wolves in general.Kat being dragged to Tar says you believe her. That says you know she Is telling the truth, which doesnt line up with your slot wanting to resolve her or calling us w/w. Good luck explaining that internal conflict.Lol wait, so you believe her and are good to lynch me using that as evidence but your next line youre totally ok with resolving her still? Thats talking out both sides of your mouth plain as day.If not me then who is also a case.Congrats, youve managed to recant five things utterly irrelevant to my alignment a dozen times across twenty pages and you expect me to believe that you honestly think those have baring on my alignment?Get rekt, youre a wolf or youre useless this game, either way youre better dead.

 No. Don't get narky/avoid the question. Read what I'm asking and respond without throwing everything back in my face please. The jump to you is because I think you've played scummy and I think it fits.  I'm asking if it's not you, then who because I think you've played scummy but I'm acknowledging I might be wrong. My point is I'm considering there is a role that drags Town to Scum in TAR. Kat may have been dragged to TAR by scum. I'm thinking if Kat's not lying, it may have been you. I'm asking for your thoughts/opinions - they don't have to be centered around you defending you.   And the last part is just OTT.  I/we may be wrong but we're not Scum and we're not useless - we're full of WIM, we lunched a wolf, we've got two likely in our sights IMO and did I mention WIM? This is important, and I guarantee you we are Town. Comments like you repeatedly make to players like that are demotivating and -ev for Town. If that's the way you're going to approach people attempting to actually solve, you shouldn't be surprised when I'm sus about you for that attitude combined with posts like:   

 

 

[V] believer [/v] I liked the reasons.discussed in the QT

What are your thoughts on Kat Darthe?Any reads to share man?

Kat ive not payed much attention to. I know y'all wanna full list but its not in the cards tonight guys, maybe in the morning.

  

[V] believer [/v] I liked the reasons.discussed in the QT

  

[V] hellian [/v] literally just so I'm voting today

  

Darest I say that zander and cass have pinged me a few times? I darest, but I do recognize that it's prob a factor of how many posts they have, or my inherent aversion to chumminess.

  

Ima roll with it [V] kat [/v]

  

 

 

[V] believer [/v] I liked the reasons.discussed in the QT

What are your thoughts on Kat Darthe? Any reads to share man?

Kat ive not payed much attention to. I know y'all wanna full list but its not in the cards tonight guys, maybe in the morning.  

   

[V] believer [/v] I liked the reasons.discussed in the QT

   

[V] hellian [/v] literally just so I'm voting today

   

Darest I say that zander and cass have pinged me a few times? I darest, but I do recognize that it's prob a factor of how many posts they have, or my inherent aversion to chumminess.

   

Ima roll with it [V] kat [/v]  

That's an excellent response and I'm so sorry for flaming you. I don't follow your reasoning but I really wanted to know if you would get riled and I was right about my fos or not. Worth this I'm retracting the fos, and apologizing, I hope you know I'm aware ive not nearly put in what y'all have and that I don't think you've been useless.

 

 

Solid move Darthe.

 

Thank you and Im sorry for jumping on you for it but I hope you can understand where im coming from.

 

And I already commented on the Pral thing.

[Zander?]

 

Cass called this out in the QT and Im inclined to agree with her, you seem pretty hedgey on a lot of stuff.

 

Some things I get but others not so much,

 

Yes Shad we know youre not the Mod but you still should have a personal opinion on it imo.

My personal opinion is that BFG is not a bad mod.

 

If you disagree and think that she would give the wolves really obvious fake claims that is your problem.

 

 

Dude thats not what I said and I think its a pretty dick thing to say that I even IMPLIED that because I didnt

 

Im just saying i think Town!Shad would AT LEAST have an opinion on it.

 

Like trying to figure out even with fake role claims if the claimed roles make any sort of sense.

 

 

 

Dude idgaf if you actually think were Wolves or youre Scum trying to push that.

 

But you saying something like that to Cass again its not gonna be a good scene.

 

CassGOATENFPMUSICTWIN has put a 1,000,000x more effort then you this game.

 

So PLEASE stop and you should be a man and apologize to her.

Unrelated to the game I appreciate you Z. You dont think id let words like that stand thpugh, do you? Cass is a friend.

 

 

<3

 

fwiw Cass wasnt even bother by it that much....I was much more worked up over it....lolololol

[Zander?]

also @ Darthe

 

the last post i trimmed but there were other questions  asked there and in other MQ's

 

Would really appreciate it if you could answer them for me please.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

I actually don't mind either kat or darthe tonight. 

 

Like I said before both of them are suspect based on how D1 and D2 went. I frankly don't have anything new to add.

 

If youre not gonna be around vote darthe imo.

 

 

I will be around for a long time from now. it is just the day starting for me, lol.

 

Anyway,  [unvote]  [v]darthe[/v] works for me.

 

 

You think with Darthe claiming Commuter and Hallia Doc a Darthe!Scum flip should completely lock clear Hallia or just about?

 

How do you feel about Hallia's claim by itself.

 

Then add the res of the game and tell me your read on her please?

 

This I can agree with.  There would not be enough protective roles to justify a multi-use strongman if they were w/w, imo.

 

 

Ive said/asked this like a whole bunch of times to like a whole bunch of people!!!!!

 

lolololololol