Beyond the Wall - Game Thread - GAME OVER

[Katiora]

  On 7/4/2016 at 1:16 PM, Punished Balrog said:

 

  On 7/4/2016 at 11:59 AM, SiRReN said:

 

  On 7/4/2016 at 3:44 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 7/4/2016 at 3:29 AM, SiRReN said:

The quote he's talking about was mostly directed at you because at the time I was talking to about when to vote for Zander. We both came to the conclusion that it was okay to wait. Then Zander subbed and I made my post asking do we give Celeste time or continue with the plan (to vote out Zander).

I basically want to know if he said more about why he's voting you than what I read, because it felt to me like he was recrafting the narrative.

 

 

Oh I see. Well he's not putting words in my mouth, I did use the word planning, but he's interpreting it to mean something I didn't, for sure. Don't know if that means he's recrafting the narrative?

 

Only scum can have a plan ldo

 

I don't know about that... I plan not to die as a town lol... 

 

But really... I think PRs can have plans too... And there's no telling what is in this game... 

  On 7/4/2016 at 1:16 PM, Punished Balrog said:

 

  On 7/4/2016 at 11:59 AM, SiRReN said:

 

  On 7/4/2016 at 3:44 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 7/4/2016 at 3:29 AM, SiRReN said:

The quote he's talking about was mostly directed at you because at the time I was talking to about when to vote for Zander. We both came to the conclusion that it was okay to wait. Then Zander subbed and I made my post asking do we give Celeste time or continue with the plan (to vote out Zander).

I basically want to know if he said more about why he's voting you than what I read, because it felt to me like he was recrafting the narrative.

 

 

Oh I see. Well he's not putting words in my mouth, I did use the word planning, but he's interpreting it to mean something I didn't, for sure. Don't know if that means he's recrafting the narrative?

 

Only scum can have a plan ldo

 

I don't know about that... I plan not to die as a town lol... 

 

But really... I think PRs can have plans too... 

[Katiora]

DM really makes me angry sometimes.... 

[Hallia]

PBF is on point for her town game.  Granted I haven't seen her scum game, but this is very very very similar to the game I played with her on VS.

[Punished Balrog]

  On 7/4/2016 at 2:56 PM, Hallia said:

PBF is on point for her town game.  Granted I haven't seen her scum game, but this is very very very similar to the game I played with her on VS.

 

You've just played that one game with her? 

 

I've got some bad news for you then. 

 

You've only seen her scum game, friend. 

[Wildfire Sedai]

I'm here...I think I am going to do a reread from beginning .....so may not be on for a while......

[PrincessBFlea]

Just woke up, about to get into my ISO's a bit more and I just wanted to add my quick two cent  about the Zander argument.

 

Based on my initial ISO of him, I had him at Null with a slight scum lean, and had no plans atm to place my vote on him as he was no longer my scummiest read. Now that he has subbed out though?

 

I honestly feel town should bring it back a little-- Celeste has the rest of the day to make cases, if she IS town, but I can vouch it is hard to do that when you are on the defense from the get-go. I can imagine it's even worse when you are having to defend a position YOU didn't get yourself into. I'm not saying you should stop sussing the slot. I'm saying that everything we read from Zander is not compromised information. We no longer have anything solid to use, because his weirdness now could have been the result of RL instead of his alignment.

 

I'm on Kat and Dice's side in this, and while I agree we should give you an alternative to be looking at (which I plan to do shortly), I also feel like you've had plenty of time since Celeste subbed in to have been looking at everyone again on your own and determining who else might be more obvious as scum, especially since that is what we will be needing to do N1/D2.

 

IF Zander flips scum, I don't see us getting a lot of useful information, but yay us.... but IF he flips town, I have yet to really see anyone post how the benefit of it outweighs the cost of a mislynch, and I think what is making this situation worse if the flippant attitude this fact is being treated with... as though killing a townie is acceptable in this instance because we are already so committed to it and trying to get a train going somewhere else will be too hard.

 

I feel like that's where we are at this point. He's simply the target town has focused a great deal of their energy on, and now with the sub-out, you feel to committed to NOT follow through. Which really sucks for Celeste if she is town.

 

Again, just my two cents-- not telling anyone what to do, or what not to do, just making an outsiders observation.

 

@Celeste-- if you ARE town, focus less on defending at this point, and more on making at least 2-3 solid reads. I saw your quick and dirty reads, but you've been dropped into a unique position, and you will need to step it up to convince those of us who are on the fence about who to vote. Give us a more convincing target than you, for reasons YOU find suspicious. I'm not voting until 5pm Central time, which gives you plenty of time to argue your cases on who town should be looking at, or seal the deal on your fate.

[PrincessBFlea]

Is the bolding helping Balrog?? I know you dislike my WoT too :)

[Celeste]

  On 7/4/2016 at 12:07 PM, SiRReN said:

 

  On 7/4/2016 at 5:03 AM, Celeste said:

 

  On 7/4/2016 at 3:37 AM, keyholder21 said:

 

  On 7/4/2016 at 2:56 AM, Celeste said:

 

  On 7/4/2016 at 2:41 AM, keyholder21 said:

Celeste, what do you think of players other than John?  Like, I get that you aren't reading him town atm, but did literally no one else stand out to you?  Is someone you have only played with once or twice your strongest read?  How are you reading Sili?  Shad? dice?

 

Sili- null, his posts seem fairly neutral imo. I want to see more from him.

Shad - town, he's scum hunting and analyzing like usual but I still have yet to see scum shad

Dice - flip floppy, he's a little more head strong than usual and that's throwing me off.

Kat - slight town and I'm seeing her town range

Hallia - null, I want to see more

 

You didn't want to share these impressions when you first came in?  I find it weird that you don't have any strong views on anyone except that JS is scum...based on one? game that you played with him. Also, you said something about AJ pushing a narrative, but what about the others that are voting for Zander/you? How do you feel about them? 

 

What about Sili's activity level?  That doesn't seem weird to you?

 

Re: dice. Flip floppy as in your view on him?  Or he's being flip floppy?

 

Why the inclusion of Kat and Hally?

It's not that I didn't want to share them, the reason is I wanted to see my nulls post more. I played two games with him and replaced into his slot once. I just want him to post more because the more he comments on the game the more I can read him. It's weird that he isn't doing his stream of thought posting rapidly. I need to see more from hallia and kat is slight town.

 

So to get your nulls to post more, you decided it would be wise not to post your read on them yet?

 

That seems a little backwards to me, but then, on VS when you want someone to post more you threaten to lynch them, so I guess the environment I'm coming from is just super toxic.

Well I come from a site different from DM and usually we keep poking and prodding a person to talk. So I didn't want to post until they appeared and I poked them. I have played 1 game on VS and it was ok.

[Andrej]

Celeste hasn't done anything to change my opinion on the slot. Her vote on Snow is for made up reasons. Her reads elsewhere have been pretty lackluster.

 

Also I disagree about compromised info. It should've never been brought into the fold in the first place. It also doesn't have any bearing on his alignment.

[Celeste]

@Katiora Yes, stick figures with a hydra.

[Lenlo]

My question is this: Why does there need to be a reason that we get something that put weighs the town mislynch?

 

I don't understand this so explain it like I'm 5. I think the slot is wolf. Thus I lynch the slot. Slot is town? I reconsider afterwords. I go back and read. I don't pre-reevaluate on everything as if they were town. That's stupid. Dice is arguing as if he KNOWS Zander will flip town, least that what it seems like to me. SomeOne who isn't Dice, who won't yell at me, explain what the heck this means.

 

Dice I don't know where you "Lazer focused" but how? I haven't touched them while waiting for Celeste. The one who keeps bringing the discussion back to the forefront is you, and I respond. That's not focus. That's not tunneling. So please stop painting it like it is.

[Punished Balrog]

  On 7/4/2016 at 3:23 PM, PrincessBFlea said:

Is the bolding helping Balrog?? I know you dislike my WoT too :)

yes

[Lenlo]

Like I keep getting yelled at by Dice for this read/vote but he's not offering an alternative. Ok, I don't lynch the slot... now what? Where no? Don't whine at me and tell me I'm wrong without an alternative.

[Andrej]

  On 7/4/2016 at 3:04 PM, Punished Balrog said:

 

  On 7/4/2016 at 2:56 PM, Hallia said:

PBF is on point for her town game. Granted I haven't seen her scum game, but this is very very very similar to the game I played with her on VS.

You've just played that one game with her?

 

I've got some bad news for you then.

 

You've only seen her scum game, friend.

Hally?

[Celeste]

I know my D1s are lackluster but seriously I only get better after D1s.

@Darthe can we have a vote count?

[Andrej]

Celeste did you ever acknowledge what Shad and I said about your vote? I don't remember you addressing it.

[Punished Balrog]

  On 7/4/2016 at 3:22 PM, PrincessBFlea said:

IF Zander flips scum, I don't see us getting a lot of useful information, but yay us.... but IF he flips town, I have yet to really see anyone post how the benefit of it outweighs the cost of a mislynch, and I think what is making this situation worse if the flippant attitude this fact is being treated with... as though killing a townie is acceptable in this instance because we are already so committed to it and trying to get a train going somewhere else will be too hard.

 

Honestly, I hate this argument.

 

Since when does town lynch the player that will "give the most benefit if mislynched". Like, if he's the player they believe most likely to be scum, that's where they should vote. That's... how the game works? PBF, you yourself are a player who digs her heels in when you suspect someone of being scum and they dodge the lynch, where is this "a lynch needs to provide information if its wrong!" attitude coming from? 

[Punished Balrog]

Even if it is wrong, it still provides some level of information. Like, who opposed/fought against it? Who started it? Who did that player suspect as they were dying? All that is information.

 

Literally me right now

[Celeste]

  On 7/4/2016 at 3:47 PM, Andrej said:

Celeste did you ever acknowledge what Shad and I said about your vote? I don't remember you addressing it.

Was it "It seems loose and out of no where?" If so then I believe I did.

[Andrej]

[Andrej]

  On 7/4/2016 at 3:52 PM, Celeste said:

 

  On 7/4/2016 at 3:47 PM, Andrej said:

Celeste did you ever acknowledge what Shad and I said about your vote? I don't remember you addressing it.

Was it "It seems loose and out of no where?" If so then I believe I did.

No.

 

The fact that you said John is sheeping other's thoughts and not bringing his own when he hasn't posted any game related thoughts whatsoever.

[Andrej]

Balrog I love those posts.

[Hallia]

  On 7/4/2016 at 3:04 PM, Punished Balrog said:

 

  On 7/4/2016 at 2:56 PM, Hallia said:

PBF is on point for her town game.  Granted I haven't seen her scum game, but this is very very very similar to the game I played with her on VS.

 

You've just played that one game with her? 

 

I've got some bad news for you then. 

 

You've only seen her scum game, friend. 

 

 

 

wait. WAIT.

 

I never ended up seeing the end roster.

 

WAS SHE SCUM!?

-.-

[Hallia]

Well it's official, I will never trust PBF again.  Girl puts in effort like nobody's business then.

[Lenlo]

  On 7/4/2016 at 3:47 PM, Punished Balrog said:

 

  On 7/4/2016 at 3:22 PM, PrincessBFlea said:

IF Zander flips scum, I don't see us getting a lot of useful information, but yay us.... but IF he flips town, I have yet to really see anyone post how the benefit of it outweighs the cost of a mislynch, and I think what is making this situation worse if the flippant attitude this fact is being treated with... as though killing a townie is acceptable in this instance because we are already so committed to it and trying to get a train going somewhere else will be too hard.

 

Honestly, I hate this argument.

 

Since when does town lynch the player that will "give the most benefit if mislynched". Like, if he's the player they believe most likely to be scum, that's where they should vote. That's... how the game works? PBF, you yourself are a player who digs her heels in when you suspect someone of being scum and they dodge the lynch, where is this "a lynch needs to provide information if its wrong!" attitude coming from? 

 

Thank you! Thats my argument!