Beyond the Wall - Game Thread - GAME OVER

Sili Quirrels · July 3, 2016

On 7/2/2016 at 2:59 AM, Andrej said:

On 7/2/2016 at 2:55 AM, Zander said:

On 7/2/2016 at 2:18 AM, Andrej said:

I think most can agree a drop in long term thread presence is a scum tell for nearly anyone.

My concern with Sili is that he seems to just be throwing things out without much to substantiate it, and getting town read for it no less.

How does he confuse John Snow with Shad or Seph 5 pages after he just read it? What is the Wifi vote about? What about the flip flop on Zander?

Ive seen Sili as Town vote like almost every single player in the game.

Ive seen Sili OMGUS every single player as Town.

Ive seen Sili post like 10 posts (prolly a bit higher.lol) as Scum

Ive seen Sili OWN as 3rd party.

Its Sili...thats the enigma we must figure out.

I guess what Im saying is Im not a big fan of it but that doesnt necessarily make Scummy irt Sili.

I've seen most of these things too, except the 3P thing.

But everything that you or I described for him doesn't make him townie. You want to say that it doesn't make him scum? I'm okay with that - but it's most definitely not worth town reading for.

What's your opinion on Hallia for that, btw?

Sili Quirrels · July 3, 2016

didn't mean to quote. was just noting and parsing information.

Sili Quirrels · July 3, 2016

On 7/3/2016 at 9:33 PM, SiRReN said:

On 7/3/2016 at 8:39 PM, dicetosser1 said:

On 7/3/2016 at 5:26 PM, SiRReN said:
Man, I hate when this happens :/ There's always the question of whether to give the replacement a chance or just carry on what we were planning. I think we should be obliging and give Celeste at least a chance to catch up and post, but it's going to take a lot for me to think Celeste/Zander is town, and even if she's good, I'm always going to wonder if she's just good scum.

Wanna tell me how town can carry on with what they were planning?

vote sirren

A few players were planning on voting Zander at some point (like me), but hadn't yet, and so that's what I meant. So I was saying do we give Celeste a chance, or do WE (the people who were planning on voting Zander) vote for her anyway, because she is whatever he was, and if we thought he was scum, then that means she is.

Your vote on me is bad.

If you were that confident Z was a villain you vote him and consider Celeste's content independently. Act on the information you have etc. like it matters to you? =/

Or you can continue protecting Z for like no reason just because he subbed out. I don't really get it. I saw you earlier saying you wouldn't commit to voting Z until the day of the lynch, and now you're holstering an opinion because he subbed out.

Sili Quirrels · July 3, 2016

On 7/3/2016 at 9:13 PM, SiRReN said:

On 7/3/2016 at 8:24 PM, Wildfire Sedai said:

totally off game topic:

what jobs do you get where you can go on non work related website and play a mafia game without being fired:

1. security guards - I kinda get...their supposed to be watching the video screens however if they are just staring at the screen they could miss something by going glassyeyed.

2. firefighters/emts - they are on call but you can only clean equipment/train/go on calls so much....gotta have some down time.

3. business owners - hey its your business....go for it.

4. lawyers: hey its my clients time...extra money :/

I can't think of any others....oh this is just my curiosity....anytime that I've ever worked I've had people over my shoulder, heck I couldn't get a drink of water at times....

you can totally disregard this post if you want to.

I'm a graphic designer, I play in between projects (or even during projects, while my files are saving I pop in and take a look.)

should upgrade your computer so you don't need to play werewolf :P

Sili Quirrels · July 3, 2016

if you have a lot of free time because you're goat you can play mafia. i think that's all there is to it.

Andrej · July 3, 2016

What was your read on Zander, Sili?

dicetosser1 · July 3, 2016

On 7/3/2016 at 8:47 PM, Lenlo said:

On 7/3/2016 at 8:39 PM, dicetosser1 said:

On 7/3/2016 at 4:15 PM, Lenlo said:

Im fine with a Zander lynch for D1. I feel like well get something good here.

Im fine with AJ. Dudes probably town.

Also good morning

Really? What?? Zander was weird and discussing weird topics. He also tends as scum not to spew teammates. So what do you feel we will get that is good? And why?

in case its not obvious im not a fan of this post

I also reaLIZE my inside knowledge of zander is affecting my game irt him hence why im not really trying to read that slot atm

On 7/3/2016 at 5:26 PM, SiRReN said:
Man, I hate when this happens :/ There's always the question of whether to give the replacement a chance or just carry on what we were planning. I think we should be obliging and give Celeste at least a chance to catch up and post, but it's going to take a lot for me to think Celeste/Zander is town, and even if she's good, I'm always going to wonder if she's just good scum.

Wanna tell me how town can carry on with what they were planning?

vote sirren

I think we will get a wolf. Is that not something good for D1? Also whats the bolded mean? Inside knowledge?

Your voting Sirren over that? What about the rest of her posts? Shes been really towny this game imo.

Obviously, im not a fan of THIS post.

oh WOW! lenlo can say my own words back to me! YAY!

and if you DONT get a wolf? what do you get? Who does Zanders lynch shed light on?

and inside knowledge to RL zander. ie I know whats goin on with him in rl

On 7/3/2016 at 8:51 PM, Andrej said:

Yeah, not a great post from Dice imo.

I don't know about Zander's circumstances, and I kind of hate bringing personal matters into games. I think the answer to his question about what we gain from lynching Zander if he's a wolf is pretty simple. A lynched wolf.

There's still over 24 hours to DL, so Celeste has time. Thus far, considering she says that she finished her read, a naked vote on Snow doesn't really make me less suspicious.

same question I asked Lenlo above.

Both of you please answer

On 7/3/2016 at 9:33 PM, SiRReN said:

On 7/3/2016 at 8:39 PM, dicetosser1 said:

On 7/3/2016 at 5:26 PM, SiRReN said:
Man, I hate when this happens :/ There's always the question of whether to give the replacement a chance or just carry on what we were planning. I think we should be obliging and give Celeste at least a chance to catch up and post, but it's going to take a lot for me to think Celeste/Zander is town, and even if she's good, I'm always going to wonder if she's just good scum.

Wanna tell me how town can carry on with what they were planning?

vote sirren

A few players were planning on voting Zander at some point (like me), but hadn't yet, and so that's what I meant. So I was saying do we give Celeste a chance, or do WE (the people who were planning on voting Zander) vote for her anyway, because she is whatever he was, and if we thought he was scum, then that means she is.

Your vote on me is bad.

no its not. it got you to answer didnt it?

and I agree with sili that if you thought z was a wolf why the hesitation voting him? why give celeste time? I KNOW that doesnt always happen i subbed for hallia once i think it was her and was walking right into the lynch. like 4 hrs or something later im dead.

leaving my vote there

Lenlo · July 3, 2016

On 7/3/2016 at 10:06 PM, dicetosser1 said:

On 7/3/2016 at 8:47 PM, Lenlo said:

On 7/3/2016 at 8:39 PM, dicetosser1 said:

On 7/3/2016 at 4:15 PM, Lenlo said:

Im fine with a Zander lynch for D1. I feel like well get something good here.

Im fine with AJ. Dudes probably town.

Also good morning

Really? What?? Zander was weird and discussing weird topics. He also tends as scum not to spew teammates. So what do you feel we will get that is good? And why?

in case its not obvious im not a fan of this post

I also reaLIZE my inside knowledge of zander is affecting my game irt him hence why im not really trying to read that slot atm

On 7/3/2016 at 5:26 PM, SiRReN said:
Man, I hate when this happens :/ There's always the question of whether to give the replacement a chance or just carry on what we were planning. I think we should be obliging and give Celeste at least a chance to catch up and post, but it's going to take a lot for me to think Celeste/Zander is town, and even if she's good, I'm always going to wonder if she's just good scum.

Wanna tell me how town can carry on with what they were planning?

vote sirren

I think we will get a wolf. Is that not something good for D1? Also whats the bolded mean? Inside knowledge?

Your voting Sirren over that? What about the rest of her posts? Shes been really towny this game imo.

Obviously, im not a fan of THIS post.

oh WOW! lenlo can say my own words back to me! YAY!

and if you DONT get a wolf? what do you get? Who does Zanders lynch shed light on?

and inside knowledge to RL zander. ie I know whats goin on with him in rl

First line, not a great defense. Not a towny defense.

Second line, are you saying I should go for an information lynch instead? I should lynch someone I think is town cause they interacted with alot of people? If I let the fear, that every person I thought was a wolf was actually town, stop me from lynching people I would never lynch anyone. But since you dont seem to care about that, tell me. Who would YOU rather lynch? Dont tell me my idea/lynch is stupid unless you have an alternative. People with no ideas or cases or reasons dont get to tell people who do have those that they are wrong.

SiRReN · July 3, 2016

On 7/3/2016 at 9:51 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

On 7/3/2016 at 9:33 PM, SiRReN said:

On 7/3/2016 at 8:39 PM, dicetosser1 said:

On 7/3/2016 at 5:26 PM, SiRReN said:
Man, I hate when this happens :/ There's always the question of whether to give the replacement a chance or just carry on what we were planning. I think we should be obliging and give Celeste at least a chance to catch up and post, but it's going to take a lot for me to think Celeste/Zander is town, and even if she's good, I'm always going to wonder if she's just good scum.

Wanna tell me how town can carry on with what they were planning?

vote sirren

A few players were planning on voting Zander at some point (like me), but hadn't yet, and so that's what I meant. So I was saying do we give Celeste a chance, or do WE (the people who were planning on voting Zander) vote for her anyway, because she is whatever he was, and if we thought he was scum, then that means she is.

Your vote on me is bad.

If you were that confident Z was a villain you vote him and consider Celeste's content independently. Act on the information you have etc. like it matters to you? =/

Or you can continue protecting Z for like no reason just because he subbed out. I don't really get it. I saw you earlier saying you wouldn't commit to voting Z until the day of the lynch, and now you're holstering an opinion because he subbed out.

How can I consider Celeste's content separately? Whatever Zander was, Celeste now is.

Also I'm not protecting Zander? I wasn't going to vote until tomorrow to give him a chance to come online again, but now he's subbed out. Obviously I'm willing to give that time to Celeste because I also still haven't voted for her, but I wanted to know if my top town reads (AJ and Shad) felt the same way I did about still voting for her so I made my comment.

I'm not sure what you're trying to insinuate here.

Andrej · July 3, 2016

@Dice - I would suss Key and Kat a little harder if Zander turned out to be town. Key voted him and I know Kat has talked about finding him suspicious. I am comfortable with both Lenlo and SiRReN, and Shad for that matter cause I know he's talked about being willing to lynch Zander as well.

SiRReN · July 3, 2016

@Dice I already said it, but I was giving Zander a chance to come back because I'm not sure. You can never know who is what for sure until they flip, so I always try to let people have their chance. And no one answered if there's hammering in this game, so I didn't want to put a vote until I'm ready.

Andrej · July 3, 2016

Also - on the point of attacking SiRReN because she said she'd be okay with voting Zander but hadn't yet, there are several others who have voiced similar things as well. So either apply that suspicion across the board to everyone it applies to or not at all.

Andrej · July 3, 2016

There is hammering, but with 16 players majority is 9.

Other than that, if majority isn't reached, whoever with the most votes when DL passes will be lynched.

SiRReN · July 3, 2016

Oh okay, that's good to know.

Still not ready to vote anyway though. I'm not gonna let Dice pressure me into voting.

Lenlo · July 3, 2016

Honestly, Dice is dropping on my list. Those two posts dont sit right with me, hes avoiding reading the slot and nitpicking small crap. Its a poor defense of the slot to.

Wildfire Sedai · July 3, 2016

On 7/3/2016 at 10:12 PM, Andrej said:
@Dice - I would suss Key and Kat a little harder if Zander turned out to be town. Key voted him and I know Kat has talked about finding him suspicious. I am comfortable with both Lenlo and SiRReN, and Shad for that matter cause I know he's talked about being willing to lynch Zander as well.

AJ: you got me worried here....I am guessing that suss means suspect? why would you suss key and kat a little harder yet you are comfortable with lenlo and sirren and shad who are all willing to vote zander....who is now celeste? just doesn't make sense to me...I know key voted him but so did other people....just don't remember who....

Andrej · July 3, 2016

Go back and look at the reads list I posted and figure it out.

I'd like to see you work it out for yourself.

Darthe · July 3, 2016

Official vote count 4:

Celeste (4/9): John Snow, Lenlo, Andrej, KeyFG

Sirren (2/9): sooh, dice

Andrej (1/9): Sili

John Snow (1/9): Celeste

Not voting (8/16):

Hallia, sirren, punished balrog, Calder, Shad, Wildfire Sedai, katiora, princessBFlea

Deadline will be Monday at 7PM EST.

Lenlo · July 3, 2016

There a reason Celeste's vote on Snow isnt counting as a number or did you just screw up Darthe?

Shad_ · July 3, 2016

On 7/3/2016 at 2:40 PM, Sili Quirrels said:
I've read to page 10 or so, and I don't get it. How's Zander upsetted you?

Jokes a ton, makes a few observations that aren't relevant to alignment, eventually quotes a few posts here and there with "????" "awkward" "strange" "why", generic stuff, gets confused when he shouldn't, asks questions without any indication that he's going anywhere with them, he's basically just cruising through the thread pushing up his post count while accomplishing nothing.

I dayvigged him for this last game and he flipped scum.

If you want the unabridged textbook on how to detect scum!Zander go ISO me in Lost, but basically his town game doesn't look like this at all.

Andrej · July 4, 2016

Day vigging is glorious.

dicetosser1 · July 4, 2016

On 7/3/2016 at 10:09 PM, Lenlo said:

On 7/3/2016 at 10:06 PM, dicetosser1 said:

On 7/3/2016 at 8:47 PM, Lenlo said:

On 7/3/2016 at 8:39 PM, dicetosser1 said:

On 7/3/2016 at 4:15 PM, Lenlo said:

Im fine with a Zander lynch for D1. I feel like well get something good here.

Im fine with AJ. Dudes probably town.

Also good morning

Really? What?? Zander was weird and discussing weird topics. He also tends as scum not to spew teammates. So what do you feel we will get that is good? And why?

in case its not obvious im not a fan of this post

I also reaLIZE my inside knowledge of zander is affecting my game irt him hence why im not really trying to read that slot atm

On 7/3/2016 at 5:26 PM, SiRReN said:
Man, I hate when this happens :/ There's always the question of whether to give the replacement a chance or just carry on what we were planning. I think we should be obliging and give Celeste at least a chance to catch up and post, but it's going to take a lot for me to think Celeste/Zander is town, and even if she's good, I'm always going to wonder if she's just good scum.

Wanna tell me how town can carry on with what they were planning?

vote sirren

I think we will get a wolf. Is that not something good for D1? Also whats the bolded mean? Inside knowledge?

Your voting Sirren over that? What about the rest of her posts? Shes been really towny this game imo.

Obviously, im not a fan of THIS post.

oh WOW! lenlo can say my own words back to me! YAY!

and if you DONT get a wolf? what do you get? Who does Zanders lynch shed light on?

and inside knowledge to RL zander. ie I know whats goin on with him in rl

First line, not a great defense. Not a towny defense.

Second line, are you saying I should go for an information lynch instead? I should lynch someone I think is town cause they interacted with alot of people? If I let the fear, that every person I thought was a wolf was actually town, stop me from lynching people I would never lynch anyone. But since you dont seem to care about that, tell me. Who would YOU rather lynch? Dont tell me my idea/lynch is stupid unless you have an alternative. People with no ideas or cases or reasons dont get to tell people who do have those that they are wrong.

Im gonna be blunt and dont care if you get annoyed.

Pull your head in. I made one snarky comment which you then sent back to me. The aggression in this post is over the top considering I simply asked what you got from zanders lynch if he flipped town and who you thought he would shed light on as it had already been commented on.

to your last bit you SAID you thought we'd get something good. I asked you what and why and who on. I never accused you of info lynching. I asked what info you thought youd get AFTER YOU INDICATED YOU THOUGHT YOU WOULD.

So would you like a reinteratrion of the twisting words argument?? Cause I will give it to you. I asked you to consider what you get if he flips town. thats all. I didnt attack you at all. i didnt tell you to make an info lynch. I didnt tell you to lynch people you think are town. I didnt tell you your ideal lynch was stupid either.

I asked you to THINK and tell me what you gained if he flips town. Apparently thats too hard for you. AJ managed to see the question AND answer it I note so i dont think it was too obscure to be understood.

On 7/3/2016 at 10:16 PM, Andrej said:
Also - on the point of attacking SiRReN because she said she'd be okay with voting Zander but hadn't yet, there are several others who have voiced similar things as well. So either apply that suspicion across the board to everyone it applies to or not at all.

I didnt vote sirren cause of Zander. I voted her because of her planning comment and her response didnt make me want to unvote.

Wildfire Sedai · July 4, 2016

AJ: thank you for pointing me in the right direction. I now understand.

Lenlo · July 4, 2016

On 7/4/2016 at 12:41 AM, dicetosser1 said:

On 7/3/2016 at 10:09 PM, Lenlo said:

On 7/3/2016 at 10:06 PM, dicetosser1 said:

On 7/3/2016 at 8:47 PM, Lenlo said:

On 7/3/2016 at 8:39 PM, dicetosser1 said:

On 7/3/2016 at 4:15 PM, Lenlo said:

Im fine with a Zander lynch for D1. I feel like well get something good here.

Im fine with AJ. Dudes probably town.

Also good morning

Really? What?? Zander was weird and discussing weird topics. He also tends as scum not to spew teammates. So what do you feel we will get that is good? And why?

in case its not obvious im not a fan of this post

I also reaLIZE my inside knowledge of zander is affecting my game irt him hence why im not really trying to read that slot atm

On 7/3/2016 at 5:26 PM, SiRReN said:
Man, I hate when this happens :/ There's always the question of whether to give the replacement a chance or just carry on what we were planning. I think we should be obliging and give Celeste at least a chance to catch up and post, but it's going to take a lot for me to think Celeste/Zander is town, and even if she's good, I'm always going to wonder if she's just good scum.

Wanna tell me how town can carry on with what they were planning?

vote sirren

I think we will get a wolf. Is that not something good for D1? Also whats the bolded mean? Inside knowledge?

Your voting Sirren over that? What about the rest of her posts? Shes been really towny this game imo.

Obviously, im not a fan of THIS post.

oh WOW! lenlo can say my own words back to me! YAY!

and if you DONT get a wolf? what do you get? Who does Zanders lynch shed light on?

and inside knowledge to RL zander. ie I know whats goin on with him in rl

First line, not a great defense. Not a towny defense.

Second line, are you saying I should go for an information lynch instead? I should lynch someone I think is town cause they interacted with alot of people? If I let the fear, that every person I thought was a wolf was actually town, stop me from lynching people I would never lynch anyone. But since you dont seem to care about that, tell me. Who would YOU rather lynch? Dont tell me my idea/lynch is stupid unless you have an alternative. People with no ideas or cases or reasons dont get to tell people who do have those that they are wrong.

Im gonna be blunt and dont care if you get annoyed.

Pull your head in. I made one snarky comment which you then sent back to me. The aggression in this post is over the top considering I simply asked what you got from zanders lynch if he flipped town and who you thought he would shed light on as it had already been commented on

to your last bit you SAID you thought we'd get something good. I asked you what and why and who on. I never accused you of info lynching. I asked what info you thought youd get AFTER YOU INDICATED YOU THOUGHT YOU WOULD.

So would you like a reinteratrion of the twisting words argument?? Cause I will give it to you. I asked you to consider what you get if he flips town. thats all. I didnt attack you at all. i didnt tell you to make an info lynch. I didnt tell you to lynch people you think are town. I didnt tell you your ideal lynch was stupid either.

I asked you to THINK and tell me what you gained if he flips town. Apparently thats too hard for you. AJ managed to see the question AND answer it I note so i dont think it was too obscure to be understood.

Oh no, doesnt care if I get annoyed. When did I ever say I was? Theres also very little aggression in that post. I never said you attacked me. You challenged my vote on Zander saying what did we get out of it, as if we got nothing. I responded. The one coming off aggressive here is you dude.

As for what I get if Zander doesnt flip town? Very little. But im not gonna let that fear stop me from lynching someone I think is a wolf. So I dont see why the question matters. You dont want Zander lynched? Stop arguing for what we get IF he is town and start arguing for WHY he is town.

Andrej · July 4, 2016

On 7/4/2016 at 12:50 AM, Wildfire Sedai said:
AJ: thank you for pointing me in the right direction. I now understand.

What was your conclusion?

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