[Basic] I <3 the 90's Mafia: Music Edition - TOWN WINS!

[Zander?]

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:20 PM, seph said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:16 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:14 PM, Hallia said:

I think it's town on town

Where do you stand on Seph? I found him odd last game, lynched him and he flipped town. I find him odd this game to, but cant tell if its the same as last time or not. He doesnt seem as high energy as last game. As hyper, would be a better word I guess.

 

you try being hyper after getting smashed in a 60 player mash..... that game was fun but awful lol.

any particular reason you think each are town hally?

I currently have sili as the scummiest in my notes while rereading, but I still think he is tow so I am not sure what to do with that lol....

 

 

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 3:37 PM, seph said:

Ok I am caught up, but unfortunately I am not sure how much I will be around today, its robin's day off.

 

@ laine 

yea my intro post was all jokey except for the halli bit, I gave her a slight town read because she was posting comfortably.

I saw a couple of people post about my lainey/bfg comment and I could have sworn I played mafia against bfg, though I could definitely be remembering the Pokemon game, because I do remember her freaking me out when she subbed in calling me mafia lol.

 

I liked a few responses from lenlo these last few pages

alanna catch up was pretty spot on for town her, giving her a town read for it alone.

If I had to guess sili would be town more often than mafia with how he is playing so far, I am still a bit uneasy there though

 

 

My goal today is to actually reread and make some notes, because I am still unsure about zander.

I initially thought clov was framing sili in a good light until the started going back and fourth with each other. 

dice's reads concern me a bit. I doubt a town dice throws out a read of zander off of hardly nothing, I would expect him to be more cautious which I am not seeing at all here. This kinda goes back when he mentored me, and got onto m about town reading people early on without reason. I have been reading him extremely terrible but I definitely think his game is different than his last 2 town games.

niniel had a post that screamed town to me

 

town

Bfg

 

slight town

niniel

alanna

 

better than null

sili

lenlo 

 

zander.dice,clov are definitely people I want to get a better handle on

I almost wanna call clov town, for his town read on me alone. I am going to read our last game on perc soon to see if he did this, but I don't think him as mafia would ever make me one of his strongest town reads. because I am not always clear and concise and I am easy to misinterpret/push when I am not.

 

Make with the splainey please.....

[Zander?]

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:27 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

Don't think I'm unvoting like ever. He doesn't deserve a second chance.

 

Really???

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:32 PM, Lenlo said:

Like, im trying to understand where your coming from and your reasons. But all your doing is hardlining against me and refusing me at almost every turn. Its not the attitude id expect of someone trying to solve the game, but rather someone who had over committed to a wolf read and knows theres no backing out now. Rather then discussing it and your other reads with me your shutting it down and saying "piss off wolf".

 

Cmon dude. Not talking aint gonna resolve/solve anything.

 

Lenlo is seemingly trying to be responible fwiw.

[Zander?]

  On 6/6/2016 at 5:28 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:20 PM, seph said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:16 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:14 PM, Hallia said:

I think it's town on town

Where do you stand on Seph? I found him odd last game, lynched him and he flipped town. I find him odd this game to, but cant tell if its the same as last time or not. He doesnt seem as high energy as last game. As hyper, would be a better word I guess.

 

you try being hyper after getting smashed in a 60 player mash..... that game was fun but awful lol.

any particular reason you think each are town hally?

I currently have sili as the scummiest in my notes while rereading, but I still think he is tow so I am not sure what to do with that lol....

 

 

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 3:37 PM, seph said:

Ok I am caught up, but unfortunately I am not sure how much I will be around today, its robin's day off.

 

@ laine 

yea my intro post was all jokey except for the halli bit, I gave her a slight town read because she was posting comfortably.

I saw a couple of people post about my lainey/bfg comment and I could have sworn I played mafia against bfg, though I could definitely be remembering the Pokemon game, because I do remember her freaking me out when she subbed in calling me mafia lol.

 

I liked a few responses from lenlo these last few pages

alanna catch up was pretty spot on for town her, giving her a town read for it alone.

If I had to guess sili would be town more often than mafia with how he is playing so far, I am still a bit uneasy there though

 

 

My goal today is to actually reread and make some notes, because I am still unsure about zander.

I initially thought clov was framing sili in a good light until the started going back and fourth with each other. 

dice's reads concern me a bit. I doubt a town dice throws out a read of zander off of hardly nothing, I would expect him to be more cautious which I am not seeing at all here. This kinda goes back when he mentored me, and got onto m about town reading people early on without reason. I have been reading him extremely terrible but I definitely think his game is different than his last 2 town games.

niniel had a post that screamed town to me

 

town

Bfg

 

slight town

niniel

alanna

 

better than null

sili

lenlo 

 

zander.dice,clov are definitely people I want to get a better handle on

I almost wanna call clov town, for his town read on me alone. I am going to read our last game on perc soon to see if he did this, but I don't think him as mafia would ever make me one of his strongest town reads. because I am not always clear and concise and I am easy to misinterpret/push when I am not.

 

Make with the splainey please.....

 

 

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:41 PM, seph said:

ok I have to get off here for no. currently caught up to page 10 in my reread.

[unvote][v]zander][/v] for now

 

seph......

 

This is awful.....

[Hallia]

Ohhhhh, that catch Zander

[Zander?]

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:50 PM, Hallia said:

I am siding with Zander here. I missed that Niniel post on catch up.

 

[v] Niniel [/v]

Ewwww.

 

Dont hate it!!!

 

Read seph's progression I just quoted and talk to me about him please.

[Clovdyx]

  On 6/6/2016 at 5:33 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 5:28 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:20 PM, seph said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:16 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:14 PM, Hallia said:

I think it's town on town

Where do you stand on Seph? I found him odd last game, lynched him and he flipped town. I find him odd this game to, but cant tell if its the same as last time or not. He doesnt seem as high energy as last game. As hyper, would be a better word I guess.

 

you try being hyper after getting smashed in a 60 player mash..... that game was fun but awful lol.

any particular reason you think each are town hally?

I currently have sili as the scummiest in my notes while rereading, but I still think he is tow so I am not sure what to do with that lol....

 

 

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 3:37 PM, seph said:

Ok I am caught up, but unfortunately I am not sure how much I will be around today, its robin's day off.

 

@ laine 

yea my intro post was all jokey except for the halli bit, I gave her a slight town read because she was posting comfortably.

I saw a couple of people post about my lainey/bfg comment and I could have sworn I played mafia against bfg, though I could definitely be remembering the Pokemon game, because I do remember her freaking me out when she subbed in calling me mafia lol.

 

I liked a few responses from lenlo these last few pages

alanna catch up was pretty spot on for town her, giving her a town read for it alone.

If I had to guess sili would be town more often than mafia with how he is playing so far, I am still a bit uneasy there though

 

 

My goal today is to actually reread and make some notes, because I am still unsure about zander.

I initially thought clov was framing sili in a good light until the started going back and fourth with each other. 

dice's reads concern me a bit. I doubt a town dice throws out a read of zander off of hardly nothing, I would expect him to be more cautious which I am not seeing at all here. This kinda goes back when he mentored me, and got onto m about town reading people early on without reason. I have been reading him extremely terrible but I definitely think his game is different than his last 2 town games.

niniel had a post that screamed town to me

 

town

Bfg

 

slight town

niniel

alanna

 

better than null

sili

lenlo 

 

zander.dice,clov are definitely people I want to get a better handle on

I almost wanna call clov town, for his town read on me alone. I am going to read our last game on perc soon to see if he did this, but I don't think him as mafia would ever make me one of his strongest town reads. because I am not always clear and concise and I am easy to misinterpret/push when I am not.

 

Make with the splainey please.....

 

 

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:41 PM, seph said:

ok I have to get off here for no. currently caught up to page 10 in my reread.

[unvote][v]zander][/v] for now

 

seph......

 

This is awful.....

 

 

I think your framing of that is awful, myself...

[Hallia]

I see What you wrote. The only thing i can say in his favor is that he wrote "currently" - so it would be subjected to change? But i would like to see what he says.

[Zander?]

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:54 PM, Darthe said:

Seph still woofin imo, agreed with zander on tina but not willing to vote there yet cause I havent read everything in context.

 

Sili/lenlo is just annoying to read and entirely null.

 

Darthe....were seeing eye to eye....should I be alarmed???

[Zander?]

  On 6/6/2016 at 5:02 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 7:40 AM, BFG said:

Chris, do you have any other thoughts on Dice?

 

Other than him overly/poorly justifying his Zander read, nothing he's done has really stood out to me.  I think at one point he basically flat out called you town.  Not a huge fan of him kind of holding onto things, but I can understand the thought process behind it. 

 

Right now I would lean town but want to see more. 

 

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 8:35 AM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 5:33 AM, Clovdyx said:

Well, you're probably my best bet for mafia at this point, so...thanks?

So was it a typo when you said Sili slinging mud was a 'good look'?

 

 

Not a typo.  Pronoun ambiguity, maybe.  Like I explained to Sili, I wasn't saying SILI looked good for it - I was saying it helped Seph look better.

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 8:58 AM, Niniel said:

Feeling townie: BFG, Hallia, maybe seph.

Not feeling good about: Zander, Katiora, Silly

 

 

I´m tempted to just follow BFG in this game. 

 

[v] Zander [/v]

 

 

I agree with whoever said it that it looked like Zander asked questions that wouldn´t lead anywhere. 

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:32 AM, Niniel said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:18 AM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 8:58 AM, Niniel said:

Feeling townie: BFG, Hallia, maybe seph.

Not feeling good about: Zander, Katiora, Silly

 

 

I´m tempted to just follow BFG in this game.

 

[v] Zander [/v]

 

 

I agree with whoever said it that it looked like Zander asked questions that wouldn´t lead anywhere.

Why Katiora?

 

 

I have seen her post excuses like that as mafia before. Maybe she does it as town too? I just didn´t get a good feeling from it. Lily made a similar post but I didn´t get the same feeling from her. I expected her to post like that. Still it doesn´t show her alignment. As I have stated before, I will have trouble with keeping up as well. So I guess it´s all based on a semi meta gut read.

 

 

These are a bad couple of posts from Tina.  The list at the top doesn't look horrible, though Kat seems out of place there.  I don't know if it's because she hadn't said anything...or the placement between two of the more vocal people in the game, and Tina excluding a lot of other really quiet players.

 

The explanation to BFG's question just seems...uninspiring.  I get not having much confidence in it, but she seems to be trying to find reasons to disregard her own feelings?

 

 

What do you think of her reasoning and vote on me Chris?

[Clovdyx]

Zander, you asked me to help you read me.  I'm going to do the same for you because I feel like I should probably feel better about you than I do.  A lot of the questions you asked made very little sense to me, and a lot of the things you're looking at remind me of your approach in Mafia Karts.

 

That Seph quote, for example.  Either you're deliberately trying to make him look bad, or you're so focused on the tree you're missing the forest.

[Zander?]

  On 6/6/2016 at 5:12 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 1:28 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 5:56 AM, Clovdyx said:

I said you were probably my best bet.  That doesn't mean I think you're mafia.  All it means is I think you're more likely than most other people.  And I feel like I made it very clear that I didn't understand your argument with Seph, and you refusing to explain anything doesn't exactly inspire confidence.  

 

 

You don't understand why it matters to me that you seem like you're lying?  

 

 

After seeing what youve been posting Chris it does kinda seem like you think Sili is Scum tho...

 

 

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 1:32 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 1:28 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 5:56 AM, Clovdyx said:

I said you were probably my best bet. That doesn't mean I think you're mafia. All it means is I think you're more likely than most other people. And I feel like I made it very clear that I didn't understand your argument with Seph, and you refusing to explain anything doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

 

 

You don't understand why it matters to me that you seem like you're lying?

 

After seeing what youve been posting Chris it does kinda seem like you think Sili is Scum tho...

 

I was positive he thought sili was a wolf, just off the bit i read

 

 

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 1:39 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 6:24 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 6:15 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 6:02 AM, Clovdyx said:

I said you thought you might be kicking dirt on him.  That pretty much implies you're deliberately trying to make him look scummy when he doesn't.  Unless I think you're doing that as town for the fun of it (spoiler: I don't), that should give SOME idea of my take on your alignment at this point.

You said, I felt better about 'him' in a sentence where the only subject was me. And idk. It didn't seem like you had established such a strong wolf read of me to busy yourself with post-flip speculation.

 

 

You're right - I did.  It was at the end of a paragraph where I was explaining why I feel good about Seph.  Beyond that, you can't possibly have thought I was saying "Sili is kicking dirt on Seph to see if anything sticks, which makes Sili good."

 

I don't need a strong read on you for association.  I think your case was garbage and was more likely meant to make him look bad than be a genuine argument against him.  That's not typically done to somebody who is town.  I'll give you that you would have no way of knowing Seph's alignment as town but I'm willing to play the odds.

 

 

Chris can you dumb this down for me man?

Like the whole Sili thing.

 

Cause everything youre saying read to me like you do think Sili is Scum but you earlier said you didnt say that.

 

But everything im reading indicates to me that you do.

 

Basically please make yourself easier for me to read brother.

 

<3 <3 <3

 

 

Sure.  Basically, there's a fine line between "this person is mafia and should die" and "I don't know if this person is mafia, but I'm not liking what I'm seeing."  You're both correct that there's no reason to think I was looking at Sili POSITIVELY - I wasn't, and I don't see an argument for that.  But I also wasn't ready to burn him alive, either.

 

And at this point, I'm not sure that read really matters at all.  I still think his interactions with Seph were bad, but Sili and I don't always work well together (to put it lightly), and the fact that he was even here trying to argue the point with me is a good sign for him.  I think it was Nyn's game I followed where he was mafia.  Cory and I basically sat in the spec and threw darts at his picture because he made like fifty posts all game - and that wasn't the first time he's flaked as mafia.  That was immediately after Mafia Karts, where he outposted Zander by a couple hundred.

 

As much as I would love for Sili to be mafia here, I'm not sure he goes from a complete aversion to playing as scum to leading the thread in a month.  

 

 

OK this makes more sense to me thank you.

[Zander?]

  On 6/6/2016 at 5:35 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 5:33 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 5:28 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:20 PM, seph said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:16 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:14 PM, Hallia said:

I think it's town on town

Where do you stand on Seph? I found him odd last game, lynched him and he flipped town. I find him odd this game to, but cant tell if its the same as last time or not. He doesnt seem as high energy as last game. As hyper, would be a better word I guess.

 

you try being hyper after getting smashed in a 60 player mash..... that game was fun but awful lol.

any particular reason you think each are town hally?

I currently have sili as the scummiest in my notes while rereading, but I still think he is tow so I am not sure what to do with that lol....

 

 

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 3:37 PM, seph said:

Ok I am caught up, but unfortunately I am not sure how much I will be around today, its robin's day off.

 

@ laine 

yea my intro post was all jokey except for the halli bit, I gave her a slight town read because she was posting comfortably.

I saw a couple of people post about my lainey/bfg comment and I could have sworn I played mafia against bfg, though I could definitely be remembering the Pokemon game, because I do remember her freaking me out when she subbed in calling me mafia lol.

 

I liked a few responses from lenlo these last few pages

alanna catch up was pretty spot on for town her, giving her a town read for it alone.

If I had to guess sili would be town more often than mafia with how he is playing so far, I am still a bit uneasy there though

 

 

My goal today is to actually reread and make some notes, because I am still unsure about zander.

I initially thought clov was framing sili in a good light until the started going back and fourth with each other. 

dice's reads concern me a bit. I doubt a town dice throws out a read of zander off of hardly nothing, I would expect him to be more cautious which I am not seeing at all here. This kinda goes back when he mentored me, and got onto m about town reading people early on without reason. I have been reading him extremely terrible but I definitely think his game is different than his last 2 town games.

niniel had a post that screamed town to me

 

town

Bfg

 

slight town

niniel

alanna

 

better than null

sili

lenlo 

 

zander.dice,clov are definitely people I want to get a better handle on

I almost wanna call clov town, for his town read on me alone. I am going to read our last game on perc soon to see if he did this, but I don't think him as mafia would ever make me one of his strongest town reads. because I am not always clear and concise and I am easy to misinterpret/push when I am not.

 

Make with the splainey please.....

 

 

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:41 PM, seph said:

ok I have to get off here for no. currently caught up to page 10 in my reread.

[unvote][v]zander][/v] for now

 

seph......

 

This is awful.....

 

 

I think your framing of that is awful, myself...

 

 

WTF am I framing Chris?

 

Im just quoting HIS own progression.

[Clovdyx]

  On 6/6/2016 at 5:37 PM, Zander said:

What do you think of her reasoning and vote on me Chris?

 

 

I don't have any problem with her voting you.  Honestly, you're somebody I would consider voting.  

 

Her reasoning...mixed feelings.  Like I said...you just seem to be focusing on things that I don't feel you ought to be.  So I get where she's coming from with that.  But she basically seems to be saying she's just going to go with BFG's feelings and not her own.  

 

Not having any idea who said what she agreed with is probably a bad sign too.

[Zander?]

  On 6/6/2016 at 5:35 PM, Hallia said:

I see What you wrote. The only thing i can say in his favor is that he wrote "currently" - so it would be subjected to change? But i would like to see what he says.

 

Fair enough

 

The only reason Im not voting him is because he can be all over the place and hes also the guy who as Town!seph said to lynch himself over an unknown..I didnt like his opening, i felt he made some decent posts after that then this awful progression.

 

Slight Scum read on him for sure.

[Clovdyx]

Zander -

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:20 PM, seph said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:16 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:14 PM, Hallia said:

I think it's town on town

Where do you stand on Seph? I found him odd last game, lynched him and he flipped town. I find him odd this game to, but cant tell if its the same as last time or not. He doesnt seem as high energy as last game. As hyper, would be a better word I guess.

 

you try being hyper after getting smashed in a 60 player mash..... that game was fun but awful lol.
any particular reason you think each are town hally?
I currently have sili as the scummiest in my notes while rereading, but I still think he is tow so I am not sure what to do with that lol....

 

 

That's exactly what I meant by missing the forest.  If that sentence had ended where you stopped the highlight, I'd be with you 100%.  But it didn't, and him saying Sili is town fits completely with him being "better than null". 

 

I don't know what Seph's notes look like, but I don't see any inherent contradiction when you look at the whole thing in context.

[Zander?]

  On 6/6/2016 at 5:38 PM, Clovdyx said:

Zander, you asked me to help you read me.  I'm going to do the same for you because I feel like I should probably feel better about you than I do.  A lot of the questions you asked made very little sense to me, and a lot of the things you're looking at remind me of your approach in Mafia Karts.

 

That Seph quote, for example.  Either you're deliberately trying to make him look bad, or you're so focused on the tree you're missing the forest.

 

Dude wth is wrong with me quoting his progression when it makes 0 sense to me?

 

And us not seeing the same things and you saying you have trouble making sense of what im asking makes you wary of me?

 

I mean youve played with me enough to know I do what I do and go after what I go after and this is not similar to Mario Kart at all imo.

[Hallia]

Clov's involvement in this looks good for him. Willingness to straighten out confusion is towny

[Niniel]

I clearly did a mistake with Katiora and I´m not even sure who I have her mixed up with. 

 

Not sure about Lenlo. It´s very easy as mafia to write catch up posts with words like "weird" etc. I agree with Sili there. And he didn´t name anyone that he believed to be town or mafia.

[Lenlo]

I think his problem is that he had Sili as the wolfiest in his notes, but still town, yet votes Zander?

 

Z find where he talks/progresses kn you and you'll help your point I think. Or atleast settle it one way or the other.

[Clovdyx]

Now I'll admit there's probably a hundred or so posts I superskimmed on my phone, so maybe there's some glaring contradiction in Seph's progression there - I don't know.  But the way you're going about this makes you look a lot worse than it does Seph for me.

 

 

I'd be pretty happy with a lynch between Tina, Lenlo, and you right now.  I'd love to put some distance between you and them based on effort, but let's be honest - I'm not stupid.

[Lenlo]

  On 6/6/2016 at 5:49 PM, Niniel said:

I clearly did a mistake with Katiora and I´m not even sure who I have her mixed up with.

 

Not sure about Lenlo. It´s very easy as mafia to write catch up posts with words like "weird" etc. I agree with Sili there. And he didn´t name anyone that he believed to be town or mafia.

So baaaasic. This would be great if that catchup was all I'd done this game but it's not.

[Hallia]

Clov I'm only with you on Niniel there.

[Sili Quirrels]

Clovey dovey you never said anything about my interactions with seph did you?

[Darthe]

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:57 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:54 PM, Darthe said:

Seph still woofin imo, agreed with zander on tina but not willing to vote there yet cause I havent read everything in context.

 

Sili/lenlo is just annoying to read and entirely null.

So you got nothing from? Not when I tried to talk about something else and he shut it down? Not that hes probably over committing to a wolf read because he knows he cant back out anymore?

 

Why is Seph wolfing? Ive sound I found him odd, but I did that last game to and he was town.

Sili is like that. Hate to say it, but he just isnt a clean player.

 

Sephs so far said two things that were just really odd, I dont have much there yet

[Zander?]

  On 6/6/2016 at 5:46 PM, Clovdyx said:

Zander -

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:20 PM, seph said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:16 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:14 PM, Hallia said:

I think it's town on town

Where do you stand on Seph? I found him odd last game, lynched him and he flipped town. I find him odd this game to, but cant tell if its the same as last time or not. He doesnt seem as high energy as last game. As hyper, would be a better word I guess.

 

you try being hyper after getting smashed in a 60 player mash..... that game was fun but awful lol.

any particular reason you think each are town hally?

I currently have sili as the scummiest in my notes while rereading, but I still think he is tow so I am not sure what to do with that lol....

 

 

That's exactly what I meant by missing the forest.  If that sentence had ended where you stopped the highlight, I'd be with you 100%.  But it didn't, and him saying Sili is town fits completely with him being "better than null". 

 

I don't know what Seph's notes look like, but I don't see any inherent contradiction when you look at the whole thing in context.

 

Dude I disagree the sentence itself is a complete contradiction.

 

He thinks the Scummiest player is Town so he's better then null?

 

Maybe if Sili's Meta was that he IS Scummy as Town then sure but I think we can all safely say that ISNT the case.