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  On 6/11/2016 at 6:35 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

I already know len dont give two cents about this game unless someones suspicious of him.

Is that typical for him, though?

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Anybody that's saying "Oh, I guess Chris/Darthe aren't teammates after all" is scum, bad at mafia, or both.

 

That was never a possibility. Period. It makes as much sense as that stupid "Lenlo/Chris are teammates argument". There isn't a universe where I flip out on Dice for disregarding his scumread on my teammate to help a mislynch. It doesn't happen.

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  On 6/11/2016 at 7:59 AM, BFG said:

Hallia

Niniel

 

 

Sili

Chris

Laine

Wish

 

Besie

 

Lily

Kat

 

Liz

Darthe

 

Lenlo

 

Something like this? But most of my reasoning is super thin :(

What moved Chris up the list for you? You were questioning the validity of his explanation for his end of day flip onto Bessie.

 

And why are Lily and Kat in the position where they are on this list? I can guess why I'm where I am (although I'd much prefer more distance from Darthe, quite frankly :P  ) and we already know that Darthe is VT now, but what made you read him as scum?

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Posted
  On 6/11/2016 at 7:59 PM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 7:32 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

Liz, have you done a reads list lately? If not, would you mind doing one?

I don't do reads lists. I know this is going to sounds snarky, and I don't intend it to, and you don't know me so I'll give you the short version:

 

I don't do reads lists because a) I find them tedious b) when I shift my views as I read along in the thread it's annoying to have people claim I'm being inconsistent for it c) I don't like laying out everything I think about everyone in a game before I think it's advantageous (I often like to test my theories first before letting someone I suspect fully know what my suspicions are)

 

Anyone who read through the Mafia Karts game knows that this is the case, because Zander kept harping on me about it and I fully explained the reasons why there (probably more eloquently than here) 

 

I will say, however, that based on my current point in catch up (I'm just starting on N1) my strongest town reads are Sili and Hallia. Hallia for obvious reasons. Sili almost makes me want to tinfoil him for being so reasonable this game (I didn't see the fight between him and Hallia though), but his random comment about trying hard to be nice this game makes me feel like he's being not only self aware but genuine. And he seems to be genuinely questioning and acting from a perspective that seems to have town's best interests at heart. And everyone who knows him keeps saying that scum Sili doesn't put this much effort in. So right now I'm willing to trust him.

 

k, back to catching up

 

 

I can respect that. Thanks for the town reads. 

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  On 6/11/2016 at 8:05 PM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 6:09 AM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 4:20 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

Ive been so so nice for the longest time. Im the brst

Do it. Bet ya wont.

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 5:24 AM, BFG said:

Lenlo, why do you not appear to care about pushing your suspects this game?

Because im naturally flippant?

 

Also because my suspects were going along fine without the need to interject myself. No need to throw a wrench just for the sake of throwing a wrench if its going the way I want. Dice and Nin were sketch, Nin claimed, so go Dice. Nin was sketch for aforementioned reasons, Dice was blatantly lying in ways that made me and Chris out as wolves.

 

 

But now that Dice has flipped, we know he wasn't lying. He was mistaken. So why are you sticking to the narrative that he was lying?

 

Because its not a narrative, so dont call it one? Thats a word with negative connotations in mafia, that your using on purpose.

 

Mistaken or not, on purpose or not, he was lying. That is a fact.

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  On 6/11/2016 at 8:16 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

Shush. That was last night.

 

No, that was a terrible argument, and anybody actually reading the thread with an intent of solving the game doesn't reach that conclusion.  

 

You said every time you start to suspect me, Darthe came in and swooned you.  That was a complete and utter lie - there's nothing in this game that could even be misconstrued as him defending me, beyond him townreading me for the EoD thing.

 

Wish said that I haven't given a read on Darthe and I don't seem to be paying attention to him.  That was a complete and utter lie - again, I've probably paid MORE attention to him than anybody.  Not that it matters at this point, but I'm still waiting for anybody besides Lenlo to address his posts towards me/Lenlo from yesterday.

 

BFG said she didn't necessarily disagree that we could be.  I realize that's not the same thing as saying we could be, but she should know better.  She's probably the player that knows me best on this site (maybe second to Cory?), and she should know that I'm not going to deliberately take away non-existent towncredit that people are giving a teammate by exposing them for a liar.

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Nah hes defended u a cpl times in a sort of. Its not prevalent cause it comes up rarely enuogh

 

 

I dont disagree ppl using my night time tinfoil hat is a bad look.

 

Dont understand what u mean when u say expose a lie so len? Doesnt get town cred

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  On 6/11/2016 at 2:27 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 7:59 AM, BFG said:

Hallia

Niniel

 

 

Sili

Chris

Laine

Wish

 

Besie

 

Lily

Kat

 

Liz

Darthe

 

Lenlo

 

Something like this? But most of my reasoning is super thin :(

Ok, I didn't get very far so far

 

Frankly everyone needs looking at in depth for any confidence

 

Wish was pretty emotionally manipulative in Ragnarok (purposefully or otherwise I don't know) and I'm seeing none of that here. Her logic/process is hard to follow, but she tries every time something is pointed out. She's also more aggressive/assertive than her more recent mafia game here - there's the potential for some steep learning curves between the games I've seen her play, so I don't know how much stock I can put in it.

 

Laine's relative quietness is a little concerning, but her post where she talked about me vs. Zander was more casually observant than most. Definitely follow through needed in terms of her Hallia question.

 

Chris is really tricky, I don't want to tinfoil because of bad reasons, but it's sort of hard not to. Seems to be feeling isolated in thread and I'm not sure what to make of that. Generally I've agreed with him all game (except Lenlo now lol). Dunno if I can ever be confident here

 

Sili has more or less maintained thread presence all game, is that enough? Page 20 or whenever looked pretty good

 

Besie is up so high, mostly because I don't like Darthe's push and because I remember her being more confident as mafia, I also know that Cory has pointed that out about her play and that she'll probably work on that :dry: I don't hate that her reads lists are generally different.

 

Lily is severely floating UTR at this point and needs to participate more.

 

Kat's Day 2 irked me, a lot of posts about none participation and apparent double standards :unsure:

 

Liz, nothing new from my last post - I don't understand her approach towards Seph if he was a mafia read and her vote on Dice makes little sense retroactively

 

Darthe's reads progression has seemed odd all game and I hated his early pop in/nudges

 

Lenlo, enough said. I think he's mafia but don't want to rush this

 

What didn't you understand about my approach towards Seph or Dice?

 

I was poking Dice from early day 1, and I clearly outlined the reasons that Seph was my top mafia read, and I said that Dice, Darthe and Lenlo were my top mafia suspects on D1 as well.

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  On 6/11/2016 at 8:37 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

Nah hes defended u a cpl times in a sort of. Its not prevalent cause it comes up rarely enuogh

 

 

I dont disagree ppl using my night time tinfoil hat is a bad look.

 

Dont understand what u mean when u say expose a lie so len? Doesnt get town cred

 

Prove it.

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Liz - 

 

1) Who do you want to lynch today?

2) Why do you feel good about my EoD actions?  

3) Did you ever go back and find that post of mine I asked you about before?

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  On 6/11/2016 at 8:32 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 8:16 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

Shush. That was last night.

 

No, that was a terrible argument, and anybody actually reading the thread with an intent of solving the game doesn't reach that conclusion.  

 

You said every time you start to suspect me, Darthe came in and swooned you.  That was a complete and utter lie - there's nothing in this game that could even be misconstrued as him defending me, beyond him townreading me for the EoD thing.

 

Wish said that I haven't given a read on Darthe and I don't seem to be paying attention to him.  That was a complete and utter lie - again, I've probably paid MORE attention to him than anybody.  Not that it matters at this point, but I'm still waiting for anybody besides Lenlo to address his posts towards me/Lenlo from yesterday.

 

BFG said she didn't necessarily disagree that we could be.  I realize that's not the same thing as saying we could be, but she should know better.  She's probably the player that knows me best on this site (maybe second to Cory?), and she should know that I'm not going to deliberately take away non-existent towncredit that people are giving a teammate by exposing them for a liar.

 

Mostly I wanted Sili to talk more and I wondered if there was an angle I hasn't considered. Unlikely yes, but without rereading I couldn't cross it out

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BFG - I'm going to say this one time, and one time alone, because I get why you (and Zander, for that matter) weren't thrilled about my garbage reasons.  I wasn't either, and I said as much - there's a reason they're called garbage reasons FOR a reason.  But at the end of the day, I'm human, and I'm influenced by things beyond the flow of the thread...even when I try not to be.  

 

I've played three games with Liz.  She actually plays less frequently than I do.  One turbo on MU, Mafia Karts here, and a game on PerC.  I've randed mafia in all three, and she's been town in all three.  She was also killed very quickly in all three of them.  That didn't matter much in the PerC game because I died D1 anyways, but I digress.  

 

The reason I signed up for them is to play with her.  And in three tries, I haven't gotten the opportunity to work with her a single time.  Actually being town this game possibly gave me a chance to do that.  I wasn't confident it was incredibly likely at that point, but I also didn't have anything to completely rule it out, so I wasn't in a huge hurry to get rid of her.  If she's town and I lynch her, I'm basically removing one of TWO players (I don't think I need to tell you who the other is) from the game that I actually signed up to be in a game with and hurting my team.  If she's mafia, I obviously help my team, but I can try to find her teammates and still get a chance to PLAY with her.

 

 

The fact we're where we are and I don't have any reason to feel better about her is probably all I need to know about her alignment.  And if that's the case, you're probably 'objectively' right to think I should have pushed her sooner.  Sorry for trying to actually enjoy myself in a game for once - I won't do it again.

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  On 6/11/2016 at 5:34 PM, wish-tree said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 12:32 PM, BFG said:

Wish can I get your thoughts on Liz?

 

She needs to be around more, I'm looking at possible connections between her and Chris. She doesn't seem to care as much about this game, and the few posts that she's made seem kind of emotionally distraught, and idk how to really read that. >.<

 

uhhhh

 

the stuff she's said about my meta is all true for her (irt not understanding my thought process as town but understanding my thought process as mafia), but Liz usually town reads me as default and only rescinds that if she thinks I'm being really weird. 

 

Ummm...no. I'm not trying to be mean here, but the opposite is true (for the bolded). First of all, I don't town read you by default and I've never said it, and it annoys me when you try to project thoughts into my head. Actually pay attention to the words that I say.

 

Secondly, if I'm going to rescind a town read on you it's because I think you're not being weird. As you just said, you concern me more when you actually start making sense to me in a game. I would be worried about me saying this now influencing your play, but you were being your weird town!Lenny self for the first 42 pages of the game before I even got here to comment on it, and me telling you this multiple times over hasn't done anything to alter your town play as far as I know so I doubt it's going to make a difference now.

 

 

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  On 6/11/2016 at 8:59 PM, Clovdyx said:

BFG - I'm going to say this one time, and one time alone, because I get why you (and Zander, for that matter) weren't thrilled about my garbage reasons.  I wasn't either, and I said as much - there's a reason they're called garbage reasons FOR a reason.  But at the end of the day, I'm human, and I'm influenced by things beyond the flow of the thread...even when I try not to be.  

 

I've played three games with Liz.  She actually plays less frequently than I do.  One turbo on MU, Mafia Karts here, and a game on PerC.  I've randed mafia in all three, and she's been town in all three.  She was also killed very quickly in all three of them.  That didn't matter much in the PerC game because I died D1 anyways, but I digress.  

 

The reason I signed up for them is to play with her.  And in three tries, I haven't gotten the opportunity to work with her a single time.  Actually being town this game possibly gave me a chance to do that.  I wasn't confident it was incredibly likely at that point, but I also didn't have anything to completely rule it out, so I wasn't in a huge hurry to get rid of her.  If she's town and I lynch her, I'm basically removing one of TWO players (I don't think I need to tell you who the other is) from the game that I actually signed up to be in a game with and hurting my team.  If she's mafia, I obviously help my team, but I can try to find her teammates and still get a chance to PLAY with her.

 

 

The fact we're where we are and I don't have any reason to feel better about her is probably all I need to know about her alignment.  And if that's the case, you're probably 'objectively' right to think I should have pushed her sooner.  Sorry for trying to actually enjoy myself in a game for once - I won't do it again.

Oh, okay, that makes a little more sense, then. 

 

uhhh 

 

sorry >.<

 

umm, how much should this factor into a read? Like, this is out of game stuff, and it's kind of... eh

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  On 6/11/2016 at 9:02 PM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 5:34 PM, wish-tree said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 12:32 PM, BFG said:

Wish can I get your thoughts on Liz?

 

She needs to be around more, I'm looking at possible connections between her and Chris. She doesn't seem to care as much about this game, and the few posts that she's made seem kind of emotionally distraught, and idk how to really read that. >.<

 

uhhhh

 

the stuff she's said about my meta is all true for her (irt not understanding my thought process as town but understanding my thought process as mafia), but Liz usually town reads me as default and only rescinds that if she thinks I'm being really weird. 

 

Ummm...no. I'm not trying to be mean here, but the opposite is true (for the bolded). First of all, I don't town read you by default and I've never said it, and it annoys me when you try to project thoughts into my head. Actually pay attention to the words that I say.

 

Secondly, if I'm going to rescind a town read on you it's because I think you're not being weird. As you just said, you concern me more when you actually start making sense to me in a game. I would be worried about me saying this now influencing your play, but you were being your weird town!Lenny self for the first 42 pages of the game before I even got here to comment on it, and me telling you this multiple times over hasn't done anything to alter your town play as far as I know so I doubt it's going to make a difference now.

 

 

 

 

Lol.... I guess maybe what you mean by me being weird is me being normal, which is weird for me? Nah, I don't think you could ever influence my play, probably, unless you were to completely own my soul if you were mafia. 

Posted
  On 6/11/2016 at 6:03 PM, Lenlo said:

So, people had Clov/Darthe as a team right? Does Darthe flipping town throw any sort of wrench into that?

 

With 2 kills either 

A) Town has a Vig and they shot Darthe, simply because shooting Nin isnt a towny shot

B) Wolves have a Vig, unlikely if they also have an RB.

C) SK.

 

The two more likely ones are A and C imo. The question is, if town has a Vig why would they not shoot me? Im clearly being wolf read by alot of people so odds of the vig being one of them would be pretty high. So why shoot Darthe over me? This leads me to believe its actually an SK that either got blocked or holstered N1.

 

With that im really sketch of Sili, he has third party equity imo.

People were reading you as town based on your D2...why would you think a vig would kill you?

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  On 6/11/2016 at 7:29 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 6:24 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 6:03 PM, Lenlo said:

So, people had Clov/Darthe as a team right? Does Darthe flipping town throw any sort of wrench into that?

 

With 2 kills either

A) Town has a Vig and they shot Darthe, simply because shooting Nin isnt a towny shot

B) Wolves have a Vig, unlikely if they also have an RB.

C) SK.

 

The two more likely ones are A and C imo. The question is, if town has a Vig why would they not shoot me? Im clearly being wolf read by alot of people so odds of the vig being one of them would be pretty high. So why shoot Darthe over me? This leads me to believe its actually an SK that either got blocked or holstered N1.

 

With that im really sketch of Sili, he has third party equity imo.

Who do you think is mafia?

I really dont know. Dice and Niniel were it. Both have been proven otherwise. At this point... Sili, Besie... Maybe maaaaaaybe Laine, just cause she says she hates being wolf and she was kinda absent D2 from what I remember.
please don't give me a volume tell that I don't have. As of yesterday I calculated y'all are posting 40 pages a rl day. I was absent and entire rl day bc I had a job interview and had to drive out of town for it. Now I'm so far behind and hate that I can't catch up but I also can't comment on/vote on current events. Last night was supposed to be catch up but my Internet was out.

 

So... I guess I'm just going to play at work if I have the time today. I already put in my two weeks, they can't fire me.

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  On 6/11/2016 at 8:56 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 8:32 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 8:16 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

Shush. That was last night.

 

No, that was a terrible argument, and anybody actually reading the thread with an intent of solving the game doesn't reach that conclusion.  

 

You said every time you start to suspect me, Darthe came in and swooned you.  That was a complete and utter lie - there's nothing in this game that could even be misconstrued as him defending me, beyond him townreading me for the EoD thing.

 

Wish said that I haven't given a read on Darthe and I don't seem to be paying attention to him.  That was a complete and utter lie - again, I've probably paid MORE attention to him than anybody.  Not that it matters at this point, but I'm still waiting for anybody besides Lenlo to address his posts towards me/Lenlo from yesterday.

 

BFG said she didn't necessarily disagree that we could be.  I realize that's not the same thing as saying we could be, but she should know better.  She's probably the player that knows me best on this site (maybe second to Cory?), and she should know that I'm not going to deliberately take away non-existent towncredit that people are giving a teammate by exposing them for a liar.

 

Mostly I wanted Sili to talk more and I wondered if there was an angle I hasn't considered. Unlikely yes, but without rereading I couldn't cross it out

 

yes, exactly this. 

 

And Darthe saying something about Chris being mafia and Sili saying, thanks for that cold water?

 

I wondered at that interaction. 

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