[Advanced]Lost mafia - Game over - Sili, SK wins!

[Guest]

 

 

I just skimmed to catch up. nothing I saw has changed my mind on the lynch.

sorry shad Ill answer anything you need but I lost alot of wim after hallia, and I am currently just not in a good mood.

You made a huge flipflop of never lynching Besie vote!Turin to rolling with Turin on a Besie lynch and it wasn't really clear to me why.

 

You posted a suspect list that didn't seem to make much sense and atm I'm not going to dig it up for the specifics but you should be able to give me a more detailed breakdown of who and why now anyway.

 

You were kind of pop-in-ish and didn't make much sense to me in general and it seemed alarming because I felt like you were super into the game D1.

 

I remember in ToS you continued to dominate the thread even when it was fairly likely town had already mechanically lost.

 

It just feels generally odd and I don't want to end up mislynching you down the line if you're a villa.

I agree with most of this post. Had 80% the same thoughts. I just can't really see him being town anymore.

 

How will it affect your judgement of him if I flip town?

 

Shad, did you ever answer this or did I miss it and if I missed it could you please quote it?

[seph]

 

Time to hire someone to decipher besie's hidden secrets.

Besie do you have any feels, one way or the other on anyone?

Lol. Seph.

 

So far I think you and Darthe are scum team together. I feel good on nyn and Shad.

 

This was on page 5.

 

 

Your first post - seph, I'm not scum reading you. I've had you as town since page 6.

This is on page 24

 

 

 

 

 

@ besie. I think your a wolf. I haven't seen you do much, or anything to actually help solve the game.

Maybe I am forgetting something, if I did I'll find it in my reread. But for now your one of my too lynch suspects for d1.

 

I think besie at best is null. She hasn't really done much to tell her alignment. Last game she was generally town in the beginning.

I actually strongly disagree with this. Last game I highly sussed her d1. She really didn't have to do anything though because the entire town jumped in to defend a wolf besie.

 

Penneh you are playing entirely different this game, and I don't really like it :(

You have to remember that she was hydra the previous game. She stepped in and went wild to defend their town honor after Gia made them sound like scum.

 

 

 

 

Besie whay do you think about penneh this game?

Celeste? No opinion yet.

 

 

 

I've also been thinking about the thing previously said - about Zander and hallia not talking. Because they know each other so well, it's probably because one of them is scum.  Also, if the scum tricked me into thinking it - well done.

 

Anyway,  so my current thought is that Zander is probably town (I just feel better towards him) and Hallia scum.

 

Zander, why aren't you talking to Hallia?

 

 

 

 

 

You made like 20 posts saying "bump".  -_-

I has sooooo much fails....

 

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I didnt get it either.

 

 

I dont really care what you believe. I dont see why your bringing this up, as it doesnt seem relevant. It doesnt address how Darthe is wolf because of Shad. It actually completely moves the conversation.

Why, yes. Yes, it does.

 

If besie is mafia, I would look at penneh as well, it was a soft defense of her, and I see no reason for her to do so. 

 

@ besie. I think your a wolf. I haven't seen you do much, or anything to actually help solve the game.

Maybe I am forgetting something, if I did I'll find it in my reread. But for now your one of my too lynch suspects for d1.

 

I think besie at best is null. She hasn't really done much to tell her alignment. Last game she was generally town in the beginning.

I actually strongly disagree with this. Last game I highly sussed her d1. She really didn't have to do anything though because the entire town jumped in to defend a wolf besie.

 

Penneh you are playing entirely different this game, and I don't really like it :(

You have to remember that she was hydra the previous game. She stepped in and went wild to defend their town honor after Gia made them sound like scum.

 

 

 

 

Besie whay do you think about penneh this game?

Celeste? No opinion yet.

 

 

 

I've also been thinking about the thing previously said - about Zander and hallia not talking. Because they know each other so well, it's probably because one of them is scum.  Also, if the scum tricked me into thinking it - well done.

 

Anyway,  so my current thought is that Zander is probably town (I just feel better towards him) and Hallia scum.

 

Zander, why aren't you talking to Hallia?

 

 

 

 

 

You made like 20 posts saying "bump".  -_-

I has sooooo much fails....

 

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I didnt get it either.

 

 

I dont really care what you believe. I dont see why your bringing this up, as it doesnt seem relevant. It doesnt address how Darthe is wolf because of Shad. It actually completely moves the conversation.

Why, yes. Yes, it does.

 

If besie is mafia, I would look at penneh as well, it was a soft defense of her, and I see no reason for her to do so. 

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

Okaaaaayyyyy peeps! So everybody's votes were just scattered everywhere.

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

Eldrick (1) - Shad

Thane (1) - Turin

Seph (2) - Thane, Dice

Hallia (1) - Kivam

Celeste (2) - Lenlo, Nyn

Darthe (1) - Eldrick

Turin (1) - Celeste

Dice (1) - Seph

Kivam (1) - Sili

Not voting (4): Darthe, Hallia, Zander, Besie

With 15 alive there are 8 to lynch!

Came up with a plan to find the one (or more) person that at least most people can agree on lynching.

The idea is this: if more than 5 people think a single person is scummy, and thus lynchable, these 5 are (1) not all wolves, they (2) all have their own reasons for thinking as such, and (3) if a scum member was bussing or covering, then they just doomed their own teammate.

Okay, #3 is maybe closer to hopeful thinking and might be what they want. But #1 and #2 is true. And if #2 is true, then that person, by general consensus, is the most scummy.

I'm going to vote that person, because that person is the person that the town, in general (with #1 and #2 in mind) agree on.

On page (p) 41, I asked everyone for at least 3 of their top wtl. This is the outcome:

Besie - p41 - Shad, Hallia, Turin, Darthe

Sili - p41- Seph, Shad, Kivam

Lenlo - p41 - NO - p42 Seph, Celeste

Celeste - p41 - Turin, Sili

Zander - p42 - Thane, Shad, Kivam, Darthe

Hallia - p44 - Besie, Kivam, Thane, Celeste

Shad - p45 - Hallia, Kivam

Seph - p45,46 - Dice, Hallia, Sili, Kivam, Celeste , Nyn, Turin, Darthe

Dice - p46,47 - Seph, Nyn

Nyn - p48 - Celeste, Darthe, Turin

Turin - p50 - ????, Thane (voted)

Thane - ????

Darthe - ????

Kivam - ????

Eldrick - ????

When each person is then sorted according to how many people is wtl him/her, the list is as follows:

(5) Kivam dead townie

(4) Turin I know I'm town

(4) Celeste: unknown

(4)Darthe: unknown

(3) Shad claimed mason

(3) Hallia dead townie

(3) Seph: unknown

(2) Sili: unknown

(2) Nyn/Z2.0: unknown

(2) Thane claimed mason

(1) Besie: unknown

So, [v]Kivam [/v]

Something that looks odd to me is that with the same number of votes at 4 and 3 the people I have as town (myself and shad) were listed at the top and the people I find as suspects (Celeste, Darthe {New} Seph) were listed under. there may be some innocent reason for this but it looks sketchy to me.

 

found some other funny things in the search but that will wait for the morning. I actually searched on mobile.

Are you saying Besie looks sketchy cause she tabulated everyone's WTL.....cause unless youre claiming her math is wrong, this is awful.

I am NOT saying that her math is wrong. I am saying that she framed the results in a manner to cast more doubt on townies than on people that I have found suspect during the course of the game. Kiv was town. I know I;m town (I understand this is my PoV and you may not be able to see that for whatever reason). Celeste has been a question mark to me. Darthe has been a bit weird but I am sort of waiting to see what happens by end of day. I am saying that the people I think are townies are getting put nearer the top of the list to make it look like they are worse than the ones below. It is a psychological thing IMO. Start at tht top of the list and work your way down. The pattern repeats going down the list as Shad (claimed mason) and Hallia (dead townie) are both above Seph.

 

(5) Kivam dead townie

(4) Turin I know I'm town

(4) Celeste: unknown

(4)Darthe: unknown

(3) Shad claimed mason

(3) Hallia dead townie

(3) Seph: unknown

(2) Sili: unknown

(2) Nyn/Z2.0: unknown

(2) Thane claimed mason

(1) Besie: unknown

also think turin is saying her math is swrong and that's why and yeah that much is sketchy lol.

See above.

This is awful.

 

Besie didnt choose the order this was the averages of EVERYONE;'s WTL.

 

Youre reaching here badly.

 

Likely vote on you coming after I catch up.

A computer didn't generate that list, she did. Therefore the formatting and which names went where within the same cote blocks was entirely up to her. I am saying that IMO it looks like the people that are either confirmed town or are people I am town reading were put at the top of each strata. You think it means nothing. I think it means something.

 

Place your vote if you feel like it.

 

 

If youre using this and saying its a possibility she could have tampered with it why wouldnt you check it to help solidify your case against her or help you rule out this as being Scummy???

 

ok

 

[v] Turin [/v]

[Darthe]

This is such a clown show. I'm going to have to lower darthe into my want to lynch if Zander was like this and Darthe still said Zander is just biased.

He was doing it when he flipped town

[Shad_]

 

 

 

 

This is what I get for passing on mobile with a now-mobile one year old distracting me. Meant to finish that first sentence with "anyone else"? Or are the rest of us here?

 

For now: [v]zander[/v]

Raisins?

 

You and Hally seem to be avoiding each other. Considering how well you read each other, that suggests one or both of you may be a wolf

 

!!!!!!!

 

 

You're right!!! They talked like they were 2 peas in a pod in the previous game.

 

Jumps right on how TOWN Z1.0 and TOWN Hallia are "different" and it sounds like implying that there is something to it.

 

Wasn't Kivam implying there was something to it first?

[Zander?]

 

Besie didnt choose the order this was the averages of EVERYONE;'s WTL.

 

Youre reaching here badly.

 

I think you missed .

 

 

???

[Sili Quirrels]

 

This is such a clown show. I'm going to have to lower darthe into my want to lynch if Zander was like this and Darthe still said Zander is just biased.

He was doing it when he flipped town

 

scum have the luxury have such confidence.

[Guest]

 

This is such a clown show. I'm going to have to lower darthe into my want to lynch if Zander was like this and Darthe still said Zander is just biased.

He was doing it when he flipped town

Agreed. Which is why I've no idea how to read him atm.

[Shad_]

Going to [unvote] for now.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okaaaaayyyyy peeps! So everybody's votes were just scattered everywhere.

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

Eldrick (1) - Shad

Thane (1) - Turin

Seph (2) - Thane, Dice

Hallia (1) - Kivam

Celeste (2) - Lenlo, Nyn

Darthe (1) - Eldrick

Turin (1) - Celeste

Dice (1) - Seph

Kivam (1) - Sili

Not voting (4): Darthe, Hallia, Zander, Besie

With 15 alive there are 8 to lynch!

Came up with a plan to find the one (or more) person that at least most people can agree on lynching.

The idea is this: if more than 5 people think a single person is scummy, and thus lynchable, these 5 are (1) not all wolves, they (2) all have their own reasons for thinking as such, and (3) if a scum member was bussing or covering, then they just doomed their own teammate.

Okay, #3 is maybe closer to hopeful thinking and might be what they want. But #1 and #2 is true. And if #2 is true, then that person, by general consensus, is the most scummy.

I'm going to vote that person, because that person is the person that the town, in general (with #1 and #2 in mind) agree on.

On page (p) 41, I asked everyone for at least 3 of their top wtl. This is the outcome:

Besie - p41 - Shad, Hallia, Turin, Darthe

Sili - p41- Seph, Shad, Kivam

Lenlo - p41 - NO - p42 Seph, Celeste

Celeste - p41 - Turin, Sili

Zander - p42 - Thane, Shad, Kivam, Darthe

Hallia - p44 - Besie, Kivam, Thane, Celeste

Shad - p45 - Hallia, Kivam

Seph - p45,46 - Dice, Hallia, Sili, Kivam, Celeste , Nyn, Turin, Darthe

Dice - p46,47 - Seph, Nyn

Nyn - p48 - Celeste, Darthe, Turin

Turin - p50 - ????, Thane (voted)

Thane - ????

Darthe - ????

Kivam - ????

Eldrick - ????

When each person is then sorted according to how many people is wtl him/her, the list is as follows:

(5) Kivam dead townie

(4) Turin I know I'm town

(4) Celeste: unknown

(4)Darthe: unknown

(3) Shad claimed mason

(3) Hallia dead townie

(3) Seph: unknown

(2) Sili: unknown

(2) Nyn/Z2.0: unknown

(2) Thane claimed mason

(1) Besie: unknown

So, [v]Kivam [/v]

Something that looks odd to me is that with the same number of votes at 4 and 3 the people I have as town (myself and shad) were listed at the top and the people I find as suspects (Celeste, Darthe {New} Seph) were listed under. there may be some innocent reason for this but it looks sketchy to me.

 

found some other funny things in the search but that will wait for the morning. I actually searched on mobile.

Are you saying Besie looks sketchy cause she tabulated everyone's WTL.....cause unless youre claiming her math is wrong, this is awful.

I am NOT saying that her math is wrong. I am saying that she framed the results in a manner to cast more doubt on townies than on people that I have found suspect during the course of the game. Kiv was town. I know I;m town (I understand this is my PoV and you may not be able to see that for whatever reason). Celeste has been a question mark to me. Darthe has been a bit weird but I am sort of waiting to see what happens by end of day. I am saying that the people I think are townies are getting put nearer the top of the list to make it look like they are worse than the ones below. It is a psychological thing IMO. Start at tht top of the list and work your way down. The pattern repeats going down the list as Shad (claimed mason) and Hallia (dead townie) are both above Seph.

 

(5) Kivam dead townie

(4) Turin I know I'm town

(4) Celeste: unknown

(4)Darthe: unknown

(3) Shad claimed mason

(3) Hallia dead townie

(3) Seph: unknown

(2) Sili: unknown

(2) Nyn/Z2.0: unknown

(2) Thane claimed mason

(1) Besie: unknown

also think turin is saying her math is swrong and that's why and yeah that much is sketchy lol.

See above.

This is awful.

 

Besie didnt choose the order this was the averages of EVERYONE;'s WTL.

 

Youre reaching here badly.

 

Likely vote on you coming after I catch up.

 

A computer didn't generate that list, she did. Therefore the formatting and which names went where within the same cote blocks was entirely up to her. I am saying that IMO it looks like the people that are either confirmed town or are people I am town reading were put at the top of each strata. You think it means nothing. I think it means something.

 

Place your vote if you feel like it.

Lol... I generated it from wtl lists. I even added page numbers of where each person gave their wtl list. Lol. Why would I edit and fake the list and then still give reliable information so that you can check up on me if you wanted to?

 

 

A lot of this.

[Turin Turambar]

Zander, I guess the reading really is hard. Even Bes doesn't believe that anymore.

 

What is the current vc?

[Zander?]

 

 

also fyi. I think the mafia team is turin/dice/z2

 

 

shad stay around and chat with me

 

Ive asked this more then once now.

 

Did you sus Nyn at all before me subbing in for her?

 

not really. but she didn't do much. I gave you my thoughts on dice, and I am currently re reading the others

 

 

I seen the Dice stuff.

 

Im just wondering cause it kinda seems like you just pulled this slot out of a hat.

[Lenlo]

Do me a favour and make a list like that where the order is changed. Go ahead.

 

 

Okaaaaayyyyy peeps! So everybody's votes were just scattered everywhere.

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Eldrick (1) - Shad

Thane (1) - Turin

Seph (2) - Thane, Dice

Hallia (1) - Kivam

Celeste (2) - Lenlo, Nyn

Darthe (1) - Eldrick

Turin (1) - Celeste

Dice (1) - Seph

Kivam (1) - Sili

 

 

 

Not voting (4): Darthe, Hallia, Zander, Besie

 

With 15 alive there are 8 to lynch!

 

 

Came up with a plan to find the one (or more) person that at least most people can agree on lynching.

 

The idea is this: if more than 5 people think a single person is scummy, and thus lynchable, these 5 are (1) not all wolves, they (2) all have their own reasons for thinking as such, and (3) if a scum member was bussing or covering, then they just doomed their own teammate.

 

Okay, #3 is maybe closer to hopeful thinking and might be what they want. But #1 and #2 is true. And if #2 is true, then that person, by general consensus, is the most scummy.

 

I'm going to vote that person, because that person is the person that the town, in general (with #1 and #2 in mind) agree on.

 

On page (p) 41, I asked everyone for at least 3 of their top wtl. This is the outcome:

 

Besie - p41 - Shad, Hallia, Turin, Darthe

Sili - p41- Seph, Shad,  Kivam

Lenlo - p41 - NO - p42 Seph, Celeste

Celeste - p41 - Turin, Sili

Zander - p42 - Thane, Shad, Kivam, Darthe

Hallia - p44 - Besie, Kivam, Thane, Celeste

Shad - p45 - Hallia, Kivam

Seph - p45,46 - Dice, Hallia, Sili, Kivam, Celeste , Nyn, Turin, Darthe

Dice - p46,47 - Seph, Nyn

Nyn - p48 - Celeste, Darthe, Turin

Turin - p50 - ????, Thane (voted)

Thane - ????

Darthe - ????

Kivam - ????

Eldrick - ????

 

When each person is then sorted according to how many people is wtl him/her, the list is as follows:

 

(5) Kivam

(4) Turin

(4) Celeste

(4)Darthe

(3) Shad

(3) Hallia

(3) Seph

(2) Sili

(2) Nyn

(2) Thane

(1) Besie

 

So, [v]Kivam [/v]

 

(5) Kivam

(4)Darthe

(4) Celeste

(4) Turin

(3) Hallia

(3) Seph

(3) Shad

(2) Thane

(2) Nyn

(2) Sili

(1) Besie

 

Done. List in a new order, adds up right.

[Sili Quirrels]

Zander, I guess the reading really is hard. Even Bes doesn't believe that anymore.

 

What is the current vc?

 

lol

[Sooh]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Turin (3) - Darthe, Celeste, Zander

Besie (4) - Turin, Lenlo, Sili, Eldrick

Seph (2) - Besie, Dice

Celeste (1) - Thane

Dice (1) - seph

 

Not voting (1): Shad, 

 

With 12 alive there are 7 to lynch!

 

[Zander?]

 

 

This is such a clown show. I'm going to have to lower darthe into my want to lynch if Zander was like this and Darthe still said Zander is just biased.

 

Im not following.

 

You're tilting me so hard Darthe is tilting me.

 

 

What about me is tilting you?

[Sili Quirrels]

The fact you do nothing but misread stuff, dismiss other stuff, and defend Besie.

[Guest]

 

Do me a favour and make a list like that where the order is changed. Go ahead.

Okaaaaayyyyy peeps! So everybody's votes were just scattered everywhere.

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Eldrick (1) - Shad

Thane (1) - Turin

Seph (2) - Thane, Dice

Hallia (1) - Kivam

Celeste (2) - Lenlo, Nyn

Darthe (1) - Eldrick

Turin (1) - Celeste

Dice (1) - Seph

Kivam (1) - Sili

 

 

 

Not voting (4): Darthe, Hallia, Zander, Besie

 

With 15 alive there are 8 to lynch!

 

Came up with a plan to find the one (or more) person that at least most people can agree on lynching.

 

The idea is this: if more than 5 people think a single person is scummy, and thus lynchable, these 5 are (1) not all wolves, they (2) all have their own reasons for thinking as such, and (3) if a scum member was bussing or covering, then they just doomed their own teammate.

 

Okay, #3 is maybe closer to hopeful thinking and might be what they want. But #1 and #2 is true. And if #2 is true, then that person, by general consensus, is the most scummy.

 

I'm going to vote that person, because that person is the person that the town, in general (with #1 and #2 in mind) agree on.

 

On page (p) 41, I asked everyone for at least 3 of their top wtl. This is the outcome:

 

Besie - p41 - Shad, Hallia, Turin, Darthe

Sili - p41- Seph, Shad, Kivam

Lenlo - p41 - NO - p42 Seph, Celeste

Celeste - p41 - Turin, Sili

Zander - p42 - Thane, Shad, Kivam, Darthe

Hallia - p44 - Besie, Kivam, Thane, Celeste

Shad - p45 - Hallia, Kivam

Seph - p45,46 - Dice, Hallia, Sili, Kivam, Celeste , Nyn, Turin, Darthe

Dice - p46,47 - Seph, Nyn

Nyn - p48 - Celeste, Darthe, Turin

Turin - p50 - ????, Thane (voted)

Thane - ????

Darthe - ????

Kivam - ????

Eldrick - ????

 

When each person is then sorted according to how many people is wtl him/her, the list is as follows:

 

(5) Kivam

(4) Turin

(4) Celeste

(4)Darthe

(3) Shad

(3) Hallia

(3) Seph

(2) Sili

(2) Nyn

(2) Thane

(1) Besie

 

So, [v]Kivam [/v]

(5) Kivam

(4)Darthe

(4) Celeste

(4) Turin

(3) Hallia

(3) Seph

(3) Shad

(2) Thane

(2) Nyn

(2) Sili

(1) Besie

 

Done. List in a new order, adds up right.

Lol Len. Hi.

 

And is this still in effect? Or can you give me a way that you sorted it, like I can?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No I mean you certainly did control the order the names were posted in in a narrow way. Now I was the first to say it was reaching and weak but afaict you did control the order of the names in such a way as turin describes.

Lol... nah. I didn't. Lol.

Yeah you did. This is why you are meh.

How, Sili?

Multiple players were tied. You can rearrange them and still keep the overall order from 5 - 0.

 

Lol. The people with the same score were just typed in as I read down from the wtl list. Check, and you'll see.

[Turin Turambar]

 

 

 

 

 

This is what I get for passing on mobile with a now-mobile one year old distracting me. Meant to finish that first sentence with "anyone else"? Or are the rest of us here?

 

For now: [v]zander[/v]

Raisins?

You and Hally seem to be avoiding each other. Considering how well you read each other, that suggests one or both of you may be a wolf

!!!!!!!

 

 

You're right!!! They talked like they were 2 peas in a pod in the previous game.

Jumps right on how TOWN Z1.0 and TOWN Hallia are "different" and it sounds like implying that there is something to it.

Wasn't Kivam implying there was something to it first?

yes. Exactly. Kiv came up with the idea and Bes seized on the opportunity to push Hallia(dead townie) in a later post she even comments about "if scum tricked me into it..." Or sommat.

 

It was in my posts on her.

 

I also explained there that mafia will use a townie's argument whenever possible cause they can say "well, x convinced Me"

[Sili Quirrels]

Yeah I have nothing else to add there. I just think it's weird. It's way too forward to even be a cop claim.

[Sili Quirrels]

Guess we should call it a zander claim, but what it's called doesn't matter.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

This is what I get for passing on mobile with a now-mobile one year old distracting me. Meant to finish that first sentence with "anyone else"? Or are the rest of us here?

 

For now: [v]zander[/v]

Raisins?

 

You and Hally seem to be avoiding each other. Considering how well you read each other, that suggests one or both of you may be a wolf

 

!!!!!!!

 

 

You're right!!! They talked like they were 2 peas in a pod in the previous game.

 

Jumps right on how TOWN Z1.0 and TOWN Hallia are "different" and it sounds like implying that there is something to it.

 

Wasn't Kivam implying there was something to it first?

 

 

Yes, it was a big part of the reason I voted him,

[Zander?]

Zander, I guess the reading really is hard. Even Bes doesn't believe that anymore.

 

What is the current vc?

 

Doesnt believe what?

[Sili Quirrels]

Okay I am gone now. For the rest of the day or something. glgl.

[Guest]

 

Zander, I guess the reading really is hard. Even Bes doesn't believe that anymore.

 

What is the current vc?

Doesnt believe what?

He's trying to say, in his twisted way, that I understand what they mean.

 

I do understand it. But unlike their theory, I actually did have a method in the madness. It was "first come first serve". Lol. No sorting at all.