[Advanced]Lost mafia - Game over - Sili, SK wins!

[Eldrick4221]

Read the pages since last night.

 

I have

 

Sili, Len, Eldrick, Thane, Shad and Seph as town. Iirc Thane and shad are the two masons, but if I am wrong there then please correct me, as that is the only way Thane is making this list. Seph and Sili are a bit lighter than the rest.

 

I'm null on Dice and Celeste.

 

Turin and Besie I think are the best shots at finding a wolf atm and I was slightly negative on Nyn but Zander hasn't done anything ping-worthy that I saw so I've less reason to push that atm.

I think Thane is playing well in his own right. Why wouldn't he make the list?

[dicetosser1]

 

 

Z2, I did say multiple. I also said in response to Dice that if my pressure got her to holster it would probably be a good thing. Do you disagree?

 

She would know why mafia do things because she has said she is a good wolf. Good wolves think about who the prime targets are. Did it give you zero pause when she said she caught something you said in your previous incarnation that she would have thought made you a good night target? Since you died and all that.

 

How many times have you read her correctly? Just curious...

 

Do you think she holstered?

 

I like to think Im a good Towny but I miss things, Im wrong and I dont always understand everything.

 

None, still doesnt mean Im wrong.  In other games she made changes but there were still similarities. 

 

I dont see them here.  I dont see her making that EoD play as Scum or SK cause she wouldnt care who was lynched atp seeing they both flipped Town.

 

Makes 0 sense to me.

 

That EoD makes zero sense as any alignment. So at best for her its null.

 

 

If it makes 0 sense as any alignment doesnt that really point towards her most likely being town? As mafia she just had to stay where she was. Jumping around as she did was always going to get her a lot of attention. Not really something mafia want. 3ps want to appear townie so are more thinky about their actions there imo much like mafia   only ones who dont care about appearences is town.

[Turin Turambar]

Eldrick, to be fair I do assume Z1.0 got killed by mafia. The kiv kill makes more sense as a vig shot. It doesn't fit SK even to me unless the SK thought he was mafia. Or there were some sort of NA shenanigans.

[dicetosser1]

ok so where im at   I think seph is scum. his train went nowhere  there was a post at beginning of day that was weird to me and now he has largely disappeared

 

Turin is causing me concern. the SK comment then theres things like the below   he twists things to put a negative slant on them 

 

 

Because we're deep wolfin ldo

Lol, Shad. I'm just wondering. Are they playing with our minds, or did they rather go for a possible PR? But that would mean they assumed you and Thane were VT. Are masons always VT's?

masons can also have other abilities. It is fairly rare however.

Mafia are frequently loathe to shoot masons that claim early because:
1. It confirms the remaining mason. In effect converting them to innocent child.

2. It uses up shots that can be used to cop/doc hunt.

But you already knew that.

 

 

[dicetosser1]

screwed up quotes

 

and lenlo   i think hes stuck in a tunnel but i disagree with his read. He also seems to have completely forgotten about celeste until

 

Look. Im not saying shes 100% lock wolf lynch her every time all day every day. Im saying she is the wolfiest person in the game to me. The alternatives ive been given? Turin or Seph basically. Compared to her? Not near as bad.

 

For me its either her or Celeste today.

 

 

 

and i want actual play from darthe

 

 @DARTHE   have you actually read the thread? or your pm even yet? :D  also why do you think YOU didnt get shot?

[dicetosser1]

vote seph

[Eldrick4221]

Shad and I got the contract to build the Mexican Solution, so yeah, we're masons. (doing it for the money, not the political views btw)

That's impressive, being you don't even live here.

[Lenlo]

screwed up quotes

 

and lenlo   i think hes stuck in a tunnel but i disagree with his read. He also seems to have completely forgotten about celeste until

 

Look. Im not saying shes 100% lock wolf lynch her every time all day every day. Im saying she is the wolfiest person in the game to me. The alternatives ive been given? Turin or Seph basically. Compared to her? Not near as bad.

 

For me its either her or Celeste today.

 

 

 

and i want actual play from darthe

 

 @DARTHE   have you actually read the thread? or your pm even yet? :D  also why do you think YOU didnt get shot?

I havnt forgotten about her, but she hasnt said much of anything. Ive made my point with her.

[Turin Turambar]

 

Z2, I did say multiple. I also said in response to Dice that if my pressure got her to holster it would probably be a good thing. Do you disagree?

 

She would know why mafia do things because she has said she is a good wolf. Good wolves think about who the prime targets are. Did it give you zero pause when she said she caught something you said in your previous incarnation that she would have thought made you a good night target? Since you died and all that.

 

How many times have you read her correctly? Just curious...

Do you think she holstered?

 

I like to think Im a good Towny but I miss things, Im wrong and I dont always understand everything.

 

None, still doesnt mean Im wrong. In other games she made changes but there were still similarities.

 

I dont see them here. I dont see her making that EoD play as Scum or SK cause she wouldnt care who was lynched atp seeing they both flipped Town.

 

Makes 0 sense to me.

holstered? Possible. Also possible she got blocked or her target got protected.

 

Does it bother you that she said she picked up on something you said that signaled to her you would be a good target if she was mafia and you died?

 

So you have never read her correctly but you seem to discount that people are saying she may be a blind spot for you. Okay. I'll stop trying to convince you. Still gonna push my case to everyone else tho.

 

It does make sense if she thinks she can talk her way out of the heat it will generate. You have defended the heck out of her. It sets up two town lynches for the first two days. That means she/her team are safe from dying during day. This is a huge thing for mafia. Nice for a SK also. It also helped put more heat on me apparently thru association. I am wondering about how anyone would want to lynch me over her in that situation however. Anyone town anyway.

[Turin Turambar]

 

ok so where im at I think seph is scum. his train went nowhere there was a post at beginning of day that was weird to me and now he has largely disappeared

 

Turin is causing me concern. the SK comment then theres things like the below he twists things to put a negative slant on them

 

 

 

 

Because we're deep wolfin ldo

Lol, Shad. I'm just wondering. Are they playing with our minds, or did they rather go for a possible PR? But that would mean they assumed you and Thane were VT. Are masons always VT's?

masons can also have other abilities. It is fairly rare however.

 

Mafia are frequently loathe to shoot masons that claim early because:

1. It confirms the remaining mason. In effect converting them to innocent child.

 

2. It uses up shots that can be used to cop/doc hunt.

 

But you already knew that.

 

how is that twisting anything? You said basically the same thing when you replied to her question just a little while ago.

[Eldrick4221]

Eldrick, to be fair I do assume Z1.0 got killed by mafia. The kiv kill makes more sense as a vig shot. It doesn't fit SK even to me unless the SK thought he was mafia. Or there were some sort of NA shenanigans.

It read to me like you knew they did, when you were asking besie if she was worried about it.

 

Which says to me that you were responsible for one of the kills

 

[V]Turin [/v]

[dicetosser1]

i didnt add

 

"but you already knew that"

 

 

did I Turin? THATS the twist

[Turin Turambar]

And now it is time for bed. See you in the morning.

[Lenlo]

 

Eldrick, to be fair I do assume Z1.0 got killed by mafia. The kiv kill makes more sense as a vig shot. It doesn't fit SK even to me unless the SK thought he was mafia. Or there were some sort of NA shenanigans.

It read to me like you knew they did, when you were asking besie if she was worried about it.

 

Which says to me that you were responsible for one of the kills

 

[V]Turin [/v]

 

Can you post for me the case on Turin in full? Ive only caught bits and piece of it. Seen things like people saying hes TMI.

[Turin Turambar]

i didnt add

 

"but you already knew that"

 

 

did I Turin? THATS the twist

Oh please. And you get at me about jokes.

 

It's a barb. It isn't a twist. Whatever.

[Turin Turambar]

 

Eldrick, to be fair I do assume Z1.0 got killed by mafia. The kiv kill makes more sense as a vig shot. It doesn't fit SK even to me unless the SK thought he was mafia. Or there were some sort of NA shenanigans.

It read to me like you knew they did, when you were asking besie if she was worried about it.

 

Which says to me that you were responsible for one of the kills

 

[V]Turin [/v]

awful logic. I will talk more about this in the morning.

[dicetosser1]

that line takes that post from answering her question to insinuating that she knew that in a bad way. the tone of that line is sneering.

 

kinda like but you ALREADY knew that   DIDNT YOU!!!???

[Eldrick4221]

that line takes that post from answering her question to insinuating that she knew that in a bad way. the tone of that line is sneering.

 

kinda like but you ALREADY knew that DIDNT YOU!!!???

+1

 

You beat me to talking about it, but that's how it read to me too.

[Eldrick4221]

Can you post for me the case on Turin in full? Ive only caught bits and piece of it. Seen things like people saying hes TMI.

TMI is my full case. It's a big tmi tho. I feel like it's enough.

[Zander?]

 

 

Lol Len

 

I'm leaving it to 50/50. I am for both Hallia and Kivam, so let's see.

Yeah I know. What happened to trusting your town core Bess? I thought 6 voices were better then 1? I thought you were bringing them togther to FIGHT THE RANDOM

Lol Len. I don't see what your problem is, honey. It was an idea that you obviously hated. Only 3 towns actually went for the plan.

 

 

 

... okay 3 people that I hope is town.

 

 

 

 

 

Lol Len

 

I'm leaving it to 50/50. I am for both Hallia and Kivam, so let's see.

Yeah I know. What happened to trusting your town core Bess? I thought 6 voices were better then 1? I thought you were bringing them togther to FIGHT THE RANDOM

Lol Len. I don't see what your problem is, honey. It was an idea that you obviously hated. Only 3 towns actually went for the plan.

After day ended but before hallia flipped.

 

Wanna reconsider???

 

 

No not really.

 

Why didnt you quote her follow up.

[Sooh]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Turin (3) - Darthe, Celeste, Eldrick

Besie (4) - Turin, Lenlo, Sili, seph

Seph (2) - Besie, Dice

Celeste (1) - Thane

 

Not voting (2): Shad, Zander

 

With 12 alive there are 7 to lynch!

 

 

 

Going to bed. You're on your own until I wake up! Play nice

 

<3

[Zander?]

 

Okaaaaayyyyy peeps! So everybody's votes were just scattered everywhere.

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

Eldrick (1) - Shad

Thane (1) - Turin

Seph (2) - Thane, Dice

Hallia (1) - Kivam

Celeste (2) - Lenlo, Nyn

Darthe (1) - Eldrick

Turin (1) - Celeste

Dice (1) - Seph

Kivam (1) - Sili

Not voting (4): Darthe, Hallia, Zander, Besie

With 15 alive there are 8 to lynch!

 

Came up with a plan to find the one (or more) person that at least most people can agree on lynching.

The idea is this: if more than 5 people think a single person is scummy, and thus lynchable, these 5 are (1) not all wolves, they (2) all have their own reasons for thinking as such, and (3) if a scum member was bussing or covering, then they just doomed their own teammate.

Okay, #3 is maybe closer to hopeful thinking and might be what they want. But #1 and #2 is true. And if #2 is true, then that person, by general consensus, is the most scummy.

I'm going to vote that person, because that person is the person that the town, in general (with #1 and #2 in mind) agree on.

On page (p) 41, I asked everyone for at least 3 of their top wtl. This is the outcome:

Besie - p41 - Shad, Hallia, Turin, Darthe

Sili - p41- Seph, Shad,  Kivam

Lenlo - p41 - NO - p42 Seph, Celeste

Celeste - p41 - Turin, Sili

Zander - p42 - Thane, Shad, Kivam, Darthe

Hallia - p44 - Besie, Kivam, Thane, Celeste

Shad - p45 - Hallia, Kivam

Seph - p45,46 - Dice, Hallia, Sili, Kivam, Celeste , Nyn, Turin, Darthe

Dice - p46,47 - Seph, Nyn

Nyn - p48 - Celeste, Darthe, Turin

Turin - p50 - ????, Thane (voted)

Thane - ????

Darthe - ????

Kivam - ????

Eldrick - ????

When each person is then sorted according to how many people is wtl him/her, the list is as follows:

(5) Kivam dead townie

(4) Turin I know I'm town

(4) Celeste: unknown

(4)Darthe: unknown

(3) Shad claimed mason

(3) Hallia dead townie

(3) Seph: unknown

(2) Sili: unknown

(2) Nyn/Z2.0: unknown

(2) Thane claimed mason

(1) Besie: unknown

So, [v]Kivam [/v]

Something that looks odd to me is that with the same number of votes at 4 and 3 the people I have as town (myself and shad) were listed at the top and the people I find as suspects (Celeste, Darthe {New} Seph) were listed under. there may be some innocent reason for this but it looks sketchy to me.

 

found some other funny things in the search but that will wait for the morning. I actually searched on mobile.

 

 

Are you saying Besie looks sketchy cause she tabulated everyone's WTL.....cause unless youre claiming her math is wrong, this is awful.

[Sili Quirrels]

that's actually reasonable. when someone does a table like that it's basically what you did when you iso'd laine when she was about to get lynched to justify your eventual vote on her. It's too much effort in the wrong place, pretty much.

 

However, I would also like to add that Besie being sort of new excuses part of this. It's hard to say but she might do it as town as well if she didn't know how to play as town but wanted to be useful.

[Darthe]

Ive read most pf today and last night Dice, didnt really read D1 that well.

[Sili Quirrels]

also think turin is saying her math is swrong and that's why and yeah that much is sketchy lol.