[Advanced]Lost mafia - Game over - Sili, SK wins!

[Turin Turambar]

Besie isn't really good at looking town yet, so the case on her was easy and warranted. I dont think that shows much beyond that you understand the concepts of the game and she doesnt yet.

 

Same with celeste tbh.

So if she doesn't understand then why can't it be as straightforward as I think? She might not know how to attempt to tie herself properly to townies or how to effectively distance her teammates.

 

Obviously Besie has some serious learning to do. I don't remember being in a game with her. She talked a big game so I expected a bit more. I'm not trying to be mean. But someone says they know how to play and no one really said anything then I thought she might be a prodigy.

 

Not even looking at the thread after posting this time. Phone down. Bed time.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

Here, lets line some stuff up.

 

Vig plz shoot one of len/zander/eldrick/dice/Sili if you have a shot. If not please dont say so til morning.

 

Turin please bd one of shad/i with someone who they are never gonna kill, a la the masons or yourself. Kinda safe it.

 

Investigator plz aim at one of the four the vig is going at. Maybe at the lined out ones to confirm. Otherwise the risk is of doubling up which is wasteful. Also, if the masons haven't been checked yet they need to be.

 

Doc plz protect one of me/shad.

FTFY

 

Have you been drinking at the office? How do you have me targeting shad to protect and then say I should move it to Shad/Thane because mafia wouldn't kill them?

Why would Mafia shoot Shad/Thane over someone else?

you tell me ;)

 

 

No you

[Darthe]

Lolcatting

[Zander?]

God no, zander is on it.

 

[Zander?]

Lolcatting

 

My lolcatting game is Top Notch.

 

This is not that.

[dicetosser1]

after my freak out about sili in Salem i WOULDNT move Darthe  id leave him there so he can be protected rather then risk putting him in the path of a bullet

 

 

id move either thane or sili

 

 

and for gods sake DONT move whoever u move with me   after all ure  dice wont get shot  stuff im liable to be a target tonight just cause they think they might get someone more important

[dicetosser1]

i say that knowing turin will probably ignore me....

[Darthe]

Turin will die of if anyone's powers don't go where they expect tonight.

[dicetosser1]

im banking on the fact that when i did it it didnt affect the action of my targets    unless they viewed themselves i guess

[Darthe]

I'm about maxed out on powers dice

[Darthe]

Middle of the night plus vague allusions to power are no good.

[dicetosser1]

hey i just answered Turins question Darthe

[Darthe]

Oh okay, I thought that was a claim and it was really odd

[dicetosser1]

oh   now i get it   nah that was about my thinking when i was BD in the Salem game   I moved sili n1 there and he died and i cleared turin because of it   wrongly as it turns out

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Everyone leaves in time.

 

There is no rule which says a wolf leaves a partner in their wtl list. There are a lot of factors, not the least of which is their personality. How celeste frames her reads as a wolf is something only she knows, and town doesn't have enough information to glean with any kind of certainty what she intended when she said I was a gut read and pushed you harder than anyone else. I've seen a lot of motivations over the two or so years I've been playing mafia frequently.

 

I suspect she said I was a gut read because the thread was slowly clearing me and she was floating that boat; whereas you, you weren't a wagon back then and you became a wagon later, but I don't remember a lot of people having a strong opinion about you day 1. You were a push she could make with an amount of ease day 1 and a lack of conflict, whereas eod2 you were either a subject to distance from or you were a town she wanted to move away from to lynch Besie.

 

 

Eod2 is interesting. So I am probably going to do a deep dive at some point. But until then I'm backing off so I can think more rationally. Like dice sketches me out a few times, turin has some internally consistent mantra about how busdriver is actually a very kosher town role which i don't know whether to believe, and I need to process it.

You need to actually read EoD2 and get back to.me with your apology. We were tied at L-2. I claimed and the train vanished. She didn't switch until she voted besie to protect herself. She flipped wolf. You really gonna try to spin that they ran me up only to jump off after I claimed? There is no world in which that happens.

 

while you do sound honest here, this is exactly what i thought happened and it does not support your interpretation.

[Darthe]

Day?

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

Disgusting.

Poor Sili. You say that my analysis is too simple. I say that unless it was a set plan right from the start simple is most likely (KISS).

 

Maybe you should shoot me. It's probably gonna result in your death tho. unless you RB me too. Then at least it will be someone else get their action thru.

 

Darthe, I am considering holstering but I think the mafia need to know they might be shooting themselves in the face.

 

The word I used was superficial. If celeste pushes someone it's because they're town. If she is wishy washy on someone they're a wolf.

 

That's just bad logic, and it's pretty straight forward why. How decisions are made is a lot more complicated than such linear programming.

 

What is disgusting, though is how you are making reads based on your rather weak analysis on n3 though. It's not good.

I get told I make reads in a poor way all the time and yet they seem to end up being surprisingly accurate.

 

Does the evidence bear out my conclusion. I think it does. You said before that I don't know how her mind works. Are you saying you do? if not, then how do you know it isn't just that simple(superficial is just a fancy word for people that want to sound smart).

 

You call my analysis weak. Maybe someone gave you outdated information on me. I could give two figs what you call my methods. I took the real information in the thread and incorporated it into my existing thoughts and came up with a team I think makes sense. You keep saying it is bad but you aren't really disputing the facts of how Celeste interacted with these people.

 

Yep. Gonna target Sili. Nearly locked in.

 

Were you voting Celeste at eod at all?

 

Anyway that doesn't matter. Your logic is bad. It's easy to see how. I explained it too. You can continue to think your logic is good but I think that's your fault. If you're town hopefully you change your mind. * shrug*

 

Are you saying you do? if not, then how do you know it isn't just that simple(superficial is just a fancy word for people that want to sound smart).

 

In no way am I basing my reads on Celeste's spew.

[Shad_]

Ok, guess it's time to dive back in. Left on I think 172?

[Shad_]

Why do most of your posts seem to be about yourself?

he's Australian....

lulz

[Sili Quirrels]

Okay. Enlighten Me. What is he? You can't know unless Celeste told you.

 

Well the other side if that is if I'm wrong and they come at him it will go somewhere else. So is that not still functional?

 

We are given these roles for a reason. If we just sit on our hands then mafia is more likely going to be able to use theirs to do damage.

 

I really need to sleep. I'll check things out in the morning and make a call.

 

I might listen to input but this holster because it MIGHT cause a problem is bunk. Should the cop holster cause they might view a GF? I know there is risk. I can't let mafia have free reign tho.

 

it doesn't matter what you do with me.

[Zander?]

Turin's self-resolving.

 

If I had a peek maybe Seph or Eldrick

 

Was this in answer to my question Shad?

[Zander?]

When is Day?

[Shad_]

Interesting that you are leaving out Celeste in this. I know that you aren't on board for her lynch, but that doesn't mean she isn't being discussed.

 

There's also his PR list where he listed himself as a PR even though he hasn't claimed. Like we are supposed to trust him because of that.

Both of these crossed my mind at one point. Probably a good look for you.

 

IRT the Lenlo issue, I did check at the time and saw that Celeste hadn't been talked about for the previous few pages.  She was the focus of the day but not of the immediate discussion.  Still kind of weird since he phrased it like he'd just popped in and wasn't aware of the current discussion.

[Shad_]

 

Turin's self-resolving.

 

If I had a peek maybe Seph or Eldrick

 

Was this in answer to my question Shad?

 

 

I saw people discussing who would be the optimal peek tonight.  I think peeking Turin is a waste.

 

Wasn't in response to any direct questions.

[Shad_]

Eldrick's WoT catch-up on p173 felt honest in general.